[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

[wimm]

This is my attempt
WiM

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[tw] Re: TWC -- use white space to arrange links in a diagram

[Smandoli]

I am sorry.   I thought it was best, and I didn't realize the replies would 
remain, so it is a "crippled thread".  I am not always successful knowing 
how this forum functions, nor what the community would like.

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[tw] Re: TWC -- use white space to arrange links in a diagram

[Stephan Hradek]

Am Sonntag, 14. Dezember 2014 22:30:27 UTC+1 schrieb Smandoli:
>
>
> It works for me too.  I must have had a syntax error.  I'll delete the 
> whole post if I can.  Much thanks.
>
> That's not nice of you. You shouldn't do that. Now if someone searches for 
a problem like you had, he won't be able to find this crippled thread. 

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Re: [tw] Re: TW community wikis aggregator

[BJ]

the

"syncer-browser" error appear,

probably comes from including 
$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/tiddlyweb

cheers

BJ
On Sunday, December 14, 2014 7:40:27 PM UTC-6, Erwan wrote:
>
>  
> Thank you for the comments. I wasn't very satisfied either with the loss 
> of functionality/design, then I thought of something slightly different: 
> the system is now presented as a "community search engine", which is not 
> meant to give access to the content directly but only to point to the 
> original wikis. It can be found here:
>
> https://rawgit.com/erwanm/tw-aggregator/master/tw-aggregator.html
>
> remark: some "syncer-browser" error appear, but it doesn't seem to have 
> any consequence (?). I don't know what this is, if somebody has an idea? 
> (It doesn't happen with the local version)
>
> It now works like this: all the imported tiddlers are converted into 
> system tiddlers, thus making them (and the tags) invisible to the user. A 
> custom search box is proposed which searches only among these tiddlers and 
> gives directly the link to the original wiki (so the user never sees the 
> content inside this wiki)... except that this part doesn't work yet: in the 
> current version I didn't succeed in generating the links, certainly because 
> I'm not very comfortable yet with all the widgets/macros stuff. My code is 
> this: 
>
> \define build-link()
>   <$view tiddler=TWAggregatorSources 
> field={{!!source-wiki-id}}/>#{{!!source-tiddler-title}}
> \end
>
>
> 
>   <$link to=<>>
> <$view field="source-tiddler-title"/> @<$view field="source-wiki-id"/> 
> (address=<>)
>   
> 
>
> You can see it in 
> https://rawgit.com/erwanm/tw-aggregator/master/tw-aggregator.html#%24%3A%2FCommunitySearchListItemTemplate
>
> Basically I'm trying to concatenate the two parts of the link, where the 
> first part is extracted from another tiddler based on the field 
> "source-wiki-id". I can obtain the right string but cannot make a link out 
> of it (hence the temporary "address=..."). If some of the experts could 
> give me a little help on that, that would be great!
>
> Regards
> Erwan
>
>
>
> On 14/12/14 19:11, Jed Carty wrote:
>  
> I am not sure what the point is in this context. Just scraping all the 
> tiddlers from TW sites without context is going to result in a largely 
> meaningless pile of things. Like you pulled the tiddler  'Add a reset 
> button that clears the form inputs without you having to make a new 
> whatever with the form, or clear them manually for all forms.' from my 
> site, which is just an entry on my task list that makes absolutely no sense 
> out of context. Even with the link to the original it still has no context 
> because the original is never seen by itself. So reading the source wiki by 
> the link on many of the tiddlers isn't at all useful.
> That and almost none of the examples work, at least from my site. I use a 
> lot of system tags and plugins in the examples, so almost nothing of any 
> use comes from it (aside from basic text markup examples, which you can get 
> on tiddlywiki.com or probably on any other site you get stuff from). In 
> fact, since the examples don't work it is probably counter productive since 
> it has what are supposed to be examples of how to make something work, and 
> then it doesn't work.
> If it were a curated list than it would probably be very helpful, with 
> something like a list of places to go to see how different people talk 
> about using a table of contents or other topics. As it is the disadvantage 
> of it being messy and inconsistent makes it almost impossible to use. Your 
> solution of clicking on the source link doesn't help at all when it is 
> something like 'Add a recepie book to the dashboard', which sounds like it 
> tells you how to do it out of context, but it is just an entry on my task 
> list.
>
> So, a listing of all or most available resources with a list of what is 
> available at each one would be great, but scraping the wikis and posting 
> everything without any plugins or system tiddlers in another place isn't 
> going to do anything other than result in a confusing jumble of mostly 
> broken tiddlers.
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Re: [tw] Re: TW community wikis aggregator

[Erwan]

Thank you for the comments. I wasn't very satisfied either with the loss 
of functionality/design, then I thought of something slightly different: 
the system is now presented as a "community search engine", which is not 
meant to give access to the content directly but only to point to the 
original wikis. It can be found here:


https://rawgit.com/erwanm/tw-aggregator/master/tw-aggregator.html

remark: some "syncer-browser" error appear, but it doesn't seem to have 
any consequence (?). I don't know what this is, if somebody has an idea? 
(It doesn't happen with the local version)


It now works like this: all the imported tiddlers are converted into 
system tiddlers, thus making them (and the tags) invisible to the user. 
A custom search box is proposed which searches only among these tiddlers 
and gives directly the link to the original wiki (so the user never sees 
the content inside this wiki)... except that this part doesn't work yet: 
in the current version I didn't succeed in generating the links, 
certainly because I'm not very comfortable yet with all the 
widgets/macros stuff. My code is this:


\define build-link()
  <$view tiddler=TWAggregatorSources 
field={{!!source-wiki-id}}/>#{{!!source-tiddler-title}}

\end



  <$link to=<>>
<$view field="source-tiddler-title"/> @<$view 
field="source-wiki-id"/> (address=<>)

  


You can see it in 
https://rawgit.com/erwanm/tw-aggregator/master/tw-aggregator.html#%24%3A%2FCommunitySearchListItemTemplate


Basically I'm trying to concatenate the two parts of the link, where the 
first part is extracted from another tiddler based on the field 
"source-wiki-id". I can obtain the right string but cannot make a link 
out of it (hence the temporary "address=..."). If some of the experts 
could give me a little help on that, that would be great!


Regards
Erwan



On 14/12/14 19:11, Jed Carty wrote:
I am not sure what the point is in this context. Just scraping all the 
tiddlers from TW sites without context is going to result in a largely 
meaningless pile of things. Like you pulled the tiddler  'Add a reset 
button that clears the form inputs without you having to make a new 
whatever with the form, or clear them manually for all forms.' from my 
site, which is just an entry on my task list that makes absolutely no 
sense out of context. Even with the link to the original it still has 
no context because the original is never seen by itself. So reading 
the source wiki by the link on many of the tiddlers isn't at all useful.
That and almost none of the examples work, at least from my site. I 
use a lot of system tags and plugins in the examples, so almost 
nothing of any use comes from it (aside from basic text markup 
examples, which you can get on tiddlywiki.com or probably on any other 
site you get stuff from). In fact, since the examples don't work it is 
probably counter productive since it has what are supposed to be 
examples of how to make something work, and then it doesn't work.
If it were a curated list than it would probably be very helpful, with 
something like a list of places to go to see how different people talk 
about using a table of contents or other topics. As it is the 
disadvantage of it being messy and inconsistent makes it almost 
impossible to use. Your solution of clicking on the source link 
doesn't help at all when it is something like 'Add a recepie book to 
the dashboard', which sounds like it tells you how to do it out of 
context, but it is just an entry on my task list.


So, a listing of all or most available resources with a list of what 
is available at each one would be great, but scraping the wikis and 
posting everything without any plugins or system tiddlers in another 
place isn't going to do anything other than result in a confusing 
jumble of mostly broken tiddlers.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tab or Indent - How do I do that?

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Rich,
 

> My goal is to define some symbol to represent <> except I am at 
> the beginning of my learning so we will see how that goes.
>

I think it's actually a nice idea to be able to indent text by starting a 
line with a defined number if spaces (that can be specified via some config 
tiddler),
i.e. make a parser rule that turns those into something yielding 
indentation of whatever follows.

When that config is set to -1, indentation is disabled, otherwise, the 
integer represents how many characters are needed to yield one level of 
indentation, i.e.

title: $:/config/text/indentation

2

...and then using 6 blanks when starting a newline yields 3 indents, in 
addition, it may be nice to be able to have that followed by a class, e.g.

  .myClass some content

That way you can easily set checkmarks or something like that.
I'd probably wrap an indent in a html  element with a left margin.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] CSS media queries not working

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Danielo,
 

> > Also, in $:/_TopSideBar, I don' think you want to transclude that 
> stylesheet tagged topmenu with the rest of the stuff, do you?  

 

What I'm transcluding where?


Take a look at that tiddler, it constructs your TopMenu via the list widget 
by iterating all items tagged topmenu... including that stylesheet... which 
surely isn't a component of your topmenu, or is it?

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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Re: [tw] Re: jquery in TWC

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hello Tobias, Hello Jeremy.
Thanks for your help... 1.8.3  is enough to know what i am trying should 
work...

Jan

Am 12.12.2014 14:36, schrieb Tobias Beer:


Who can tell which version of jquery is implemented in TWC?


What can tell? The souce. :)

After a minute searching via some text-editor, I find... *jQuery v1.8.3*

Best wishes, Tobias.
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[tw] Re: TWC -- use white space to arrange links in a diagram

[Smandoli]

It works for me too.  I must have had a syntax error.  I'll delete the 
whole post if I can.  Much thanks.

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[tw] Re: TWC -- use white space to arrange links in a diagram

[Stephan Hradek]

Maybe you can show us what you've tried because this class worked for me. 
No collapse at all:

.flowchart { white-space:pre; }



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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #72 on Tuesday 9th December at 4pm GMT

['Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki]

The current hangout is on a working day during the middle of work-hours in 
North America. I would love to participate more frequently but as it stands 
I sort of owe it to my employer to be working then. As it stands the only 
times I can participate are while I'm on holiday. I suspect I am not the 
only one. 

I know this is probably an exercise in futility but could you consider 
alternating the weekday for the hangout to an occasional Saturday or 
Sunday? Perhaps once a month? I have alternating Fridays off as well. 

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[tw] TWC -- use white space to arrange links in a diagram

[Smandoli]

I want to make a crude flow chart.  By crude, I mean just some ASCII 
indicators for directional arrows.  And of course lots of spaces to arrange 
the boxes.

I want the boxes to contain tiddler links.  

I can use {{{ }}} to preserve the spaces, but of course that prevents links.

I have tried making a class that specifies white-space (pre or pre-wrap).  
I now can have links, but the spaces still collapse.

Your suggestions?

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[tw] Re: TW5 What is the meaning of foo, bar, baz?

[RichShumaker]

FUBAR and FOO I do not think are related and I am commenting to add
F$%^ Up Beyond All Recognition(hence un-repairable) - So a TW after I have 
messed with it all day, #heheh.

Rich Shumaker 

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 1:12:32 AM UTC-8, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Would someone please explain to me the meaning of foo, bar, baz and all 
> that jazz?
> I have of course tried to google but the meaning seem to change. I 
> searched this TiddlyWiki group and found that the use is increasing. Lots 
> of messages containing those words, but I found no explanation.
>
> Wikipedia starts telling the origin is fubar and the meaning, "fucked up 
> beyond repair". Now that is how I feel reading it right now.
>
> I do understand that programmers have to be able to communicate, that it 
> might not be supposed to be understandable for users only.
> I just so want to learn from the examples given.
>
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw] Re: TW community wikis aggregator

[Mat]

Well... I think this is a first step into what can be absolutely fantastic! 
This is very much in line with the vision that I have for the futre with 
"loose tiddlers" from arbitrary sources being aggregated into separate 
tiddlywikis. Of course not everything is perfect at this first step, so 
let's see what needs improvement first and what to do about it.

The more people we get into the community, or at least the more TW5s that 
get out there, the more value in aggregating combinations into 
"cross-disciplinary" areas of interest. This is very exciting!

<:-)





On Sunday, December 14, 2014 6:15:24 PM UTC+1, Erwan wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, 
>
> I wrote a quick-and-dirty script which aggregates a bunch of wikis 
> (mostly those which appear in http://tiddlywiki.com/#Community) into a 
> single big wiki. The result can be seen here: 
>
>
> https://rawgit.com/erwanm/tw-aggregator/master/tw-aggregator/output/tw-aggregator.html
>  
>
> The idea is to have a big collection of tiddlers which can be searched 
> without browsing all the individual wikis one by one. The disadvantage 
> is that it is messy, contains inconsistencies and missing parts (but you 
> can always click on the source link to go to the original wiki). 
>
> Do you think this is useful? There is also the issue that I didn't ask 
> the authors if they agree to this: I assume that the proper way would be 
> to ask every author individually, but before doing that I just want to 
> see if there is some interest. For those who are on this list, is it ok 
> with you please? 
>
> If there is some interest I can configure an automatic daily rebuild, in 
> order to keep it up to date. 
>
> Regards 
> Erwan 
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Image Exploration with TW5

[RichShumaker]

Found a javascript called Galleria and I am going to explore that some as 
an add on to TW-Photo.
http://galleria.io/
Has the ability to work with video as well so that is very cool for me.
That is 2 of the 3 majors I need, Pictures, Sounds, Video.

Oh my EXIF oh my.
Not a fun bucket to play with.
My head is still swimmy about it.

The javascript EXIF code that Tobias pointed me towards to explore as an 
option is limited in how it works.
The article that he linked from flickr is also scary for a NOOB like me to 
javascript.
The article makes sense though you grab the first X kb of the file and then 
scrape it for data.
The tags are clearly marked with {EXIF TAG} and the details after that.

So the workflow might be you drag and drop a picture into TW and it scrapes 
the first X kbs and dumps the rest of the image data.
It creates a link to the actual image in your Image folder and keeps the 
TXT data for EXIF reasons.
Complicated but seems possible, not easy, but if it was easy then it would 
not be nearly as much fun, #heheh.

Rich Shumaker

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:10:31 PM UTC-8, RichShumaker wrote:
>
> I made a TW to explore Images a bit more.
> Thanks to Tobias for all the help with this so far.
> I just started and am looking for more stuff to explore with images.
>
> http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/tw-photo.html
>
> Thanks everyone for your help.
>
> Rich Shumaker
>

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[tw] Re: TW community wikis aggregator

[Jed Carty]

I am not sure what the point is in this context. Just scraping all the 
tiddlers from TW sites without context is going to result in a largely 
meaningless pile of things. Like you pulled the tiddler  'Add a reset 
button that clears the form inputs without you having to make a new 
whatever with the form, or clear them manually for all forms.' from my 
site, which is just an entry on my task list that makes absolutely no sense 
out of context. Even with the link to the original it still has no context 
because the original is never seen by itself. So reading the source wiki by 
the link on many of the tiddlers isn't at all useful.
That and almost none of the examples work, at least from my site. I use a 
lot of system tags and plugins in the examples, so almost nothing of any 
use comes from it (aside from basic text markup examples, which you can get 
on tiddlywiki.com or probably on any other site you get stuff from). In 
fact, since the examples don't work it is probably counter productive since 
it has what are supposed to be examples of how to make something work, and 
then it doesn't work.
If it were a curated list than it would probably be very helpful, with 
something like a list of places to go to see how different people talk 
about using a table of contents or other topics. As it is the disadvantage 
of it being messy and inconsistent makes it almost impossible to use. Your 
solution of clicking on the source link doesn't help at all when it is 
something like 'Add a recepie book to the dashboard', which sounds like it 
tells you how to do it out of context, but it is just an entry on my task 
list.

So, a listing of all or most available resources with a list of what is 
available at each one would be great, but scraping the wikis and posting 
everything without any plugins or system tiddlers in another place isn't 
going to do anything other than result in a confusing jumble of mostly 
broken tiddlers.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tab or Indent - How do I do that?

[RichShumaker]

Thanks Birthe.
I found this while exploring the link you sent 
http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_text_text-indent.asp
And
I get the issue with indent where *BOLD *or *ITALICS *or *UNDERLINE *are 
clear cut.
Indenting is not clear or cut, you can indent X or Y distance.
You can indent paragraphs.
You could indent
  at various levels
  depending on what you are trying to do.

Time to explore CSS and customizing TW that way.

Wonder what other markup languages use for indenting.
My goal is to define some symbol to represent <> except I am at the 
beginning of my learning so we will see how that goes.
I was thinking of using -> to represent indent
so -> would be one indent(you would define the indent distance in your 
<> code)
->-> would be two indents ect.

I will ask the code questions as they come up over at the DEV site as this 
is now more than basic or advanced customization and is entering DEV 
territory.

Is there a better way I am missing in regards to the symbol(->)?

Thanks everyone for your help.

Rich Shumaker

On Friday, December 12, 2014 1:15:26 AM UTC-8, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi Rich
> Have a look at http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_text.asp 
>
>
> Birthe
>
>
> On Friday, December 12, 2014 8:41:04 AM UTC+1, RichShumaker wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Alex,
>>
>> I haven't found a simple  format style like there is for other 
>> things like *Bold **Italics **Underline*
>>
>> I will probably need to create a custom style for it and I will try the 
>> css you suggest as a start.
>> Plain Text is not going to work and Definition might.
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] CSS media queries not working

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello Tobias, 

Thank you very much for your help. I will try your suggestions as soon as I 
have a computer (on my mobile it looks fine). 

But, I don't understand this sentence :

Also, in $:/_TopSideBar, I don' think you want to transclude that stylesheet 
tagged topmenu with the rest of the stuff, do you?

What I'm transcluding where? 

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[tw] Re: TW community wikis aggregator

[PMario]

While I think it is useful, to have a possibility to search for TW content, 
I see 3 major issues.

a)
The inconsistencies, that you mention. .. Some elements simply don't work 
in the aggregation TW, which will result in unnecessary support requests. 
If things are not working in the aggregation but work in the original wiki, 
the aggregation still may cause bad reputation for the original author. I 
think, this is problematic.

b)
You create a copyright / licensing issue. Some aggregated TWs don't have a 
license that allow modification and redistribution and therefore you are 
not allowed to modify and redistribute them, in the way you do. I know I'm 
nitpicking here but that's the truth. 

c)
By design, TW isn't very friendly to search engines like google. That's why 
TW5 can create stand alone TWs that are pure html and SEO friendly. ... 
Your TW still is an app and not SEO friendly, so we don't win. In the 
contrary. Google may put penalties on link farms and duplicated content. So 
probably both sides will loose here, your link farm and the original 
content author.

Also, if google publishes search results with my content, I personally 
don't want it to be a rawgit . com link. It should link to the "real 
source".

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] playing local video file from within tiddler?

[Jon]

Thanks for the replies and I've managed to do it with your suggestions.

Cheers, Jon.

On Sunday, 14 December 2014 12:00:04 UTC, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've worked out how to establish a link to a video in a local folder so 
> that the video opens in another browser tab, but is it possible to play the 
> video from within the tiddler? (in the same way a linked image appears in 
> the tiddler)
>
> Thanks, Jon.
>

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[tw] TW community wikis aggregator

[Erwan]

Hi everyone,

I wrote a quick-and-dirty script which aggregates a bunch of wikis 
(mostly those which appear in http://tiddlywiki.com/#Community) into a 
single big wiki. The result can be seen here:


https://rawgit.com/erwanm/tw-aggregator/master/tw-aggregator/output/tw-aggregator.html

The idea is to have a big collection of tiddlers which can be searched 
without browsing all the individual wikis one by one. The disadvantage 
is that it is messy, contains inconsistencies and missing parts (but you 
can always click on the source link to go to the original wiki).


Do you think this is useful? There is also the issue that I didn't ask 
the authors if they agree to this: I assume that the proper way would be 
to ask every author individually, but before doing that I just want to 
see if there is some interest. For those who are on this list, is it ok 
with you please?


If there is some interest I can configure an automatic daily rebuild, in 
order to keep it up to date.


Regards
Erwan

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[tw] Re: [TW5] playing local video file from within tiddler?

[BJ]

hi Jon,
you could type copying the address of the video from the browser and paste 
it into the src entry of this:



cheers

BJ

On Sunday, December 14, 2014 6:00:04 AM UTC-6, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've worked out how to establish a link to a video in a local folder so 
> that the video opens in another browser tab, but is it possible to play the 
> video from within the tiddler? (in the same way a linked image appears in 
> the tiddler)
>
> Thanks, Jon.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] playing local video file from within tiddler?

[Greg Davis]

unless you are talking about embedding or something else fancy html5 seems 
to work if your browser supports it.

example audio and video:


Frozen Sleep - Cortana Tribute by Malukah


  
  
  Your browser does not support the HTML 5 audio tag.








Your browser does not support the HTML 5 video tag.




multiple file entires to cover what is supported by different browsers.

Greg

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[tw] Re: [TW5] playing local video file from within tiddler?

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Jon,
 

> I've worked out how to establish a link to a video in a local folder so 
> that the video opens in another browser tab, but is it possible to play the 
> video from within the tiddler? (in the same way a linked image appears in 
> the tiddler)
>

I'd say that depends on your browser's ability / plugin-support for that 
video container / encoding.

As for audio, I can see that TiddlyWiki has (some) native support for audio 
tiddlers...

http://tiddlywiki.com/#Audio

...at least via the content-type...

*audio/mp3*

...see http://tiddlywiki.com — audio files 


I can imagine there is no content-type support for video yet (at least 
there's none such in *sidebar* / *more* / *types*),
but you can always see if you can get it to work using the old-fashioned 
html ** tag.

http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_object.asp

...or that HTML 5 version...

*http://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_video.asp*

Once you've got that working, you can easily wrap it up in a global macro 
 and simply call...

*<>*

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] CSS media queries not working

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Danielo,

First of all, is it permissible to wrap any tiddler tagged 
*$:/tagsStylesheet* in **?
Semantically that seems quite odd, to say the least.

As to your problem, for reasons that I fail to understand, if I just put...

html .tw-topmenu {
 background : #ececec !important;
 height : 45px;
 margin : 0;
 position : fixed;
 top : 0;
 left  : 0;
 width : 100%;
 z-index: 100;
}

...into *$:/_stylesheet/topmenu* in either one, it works in the first but 
not in "copy". So, in fact, it's not that it's properly hidden in "copy" 
but rather never applied!

Also, in *$:/_TopSideBar*, I don' think you want to transclude that 
stylesheet tagged *topmenu* with the rest of the stuff, do you?

Now, here's the final "Aaaahhh, I knew it!"...

If I remove those awkward ** tags from your StyleSheets, things 
are finally starting to work!

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] [TW5] playing local video file from within tiddler?

[Jon]

Hi,

I've worked out how to establish a link to a video in a local folder so 
that the video opens in another browser tab, but is it possible to play the 
video from within the tiddler? (in the same way a linked image appears in 
the tiddler)

Thanks, Jon.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] CSS media queries not working

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Any CSS magician can help me? 

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