Re: [tw] Re: How to link to tiddlers containing square brackets in their names

[David Lee]

Just my 2 cents - square brackets in titles might not be uncommon. For 
example I'm currently trying out TW5 as a C++ knowledge base. One of the 
title is 'Overloading Operator []'.

If I were to do a GNU Bash KB that would be an issue too: "Comparisons on 
Bash: test, [] and [[]]".

- David

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Another step toward federation - a plugin to remotely fetch tiddlers from a wiki

[Matabele]

Hi

The demo doesn't work for me :-(

Get a javascript error (Chrome on OSX 10.11.)

regards


On Saturday, 23 January 2016 11:47:10 UTC+2, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Here is the quick description:
> This lets you fetch tiddlers from other wikis online. The wikis can be on 
> the same server or other servers.
> To use it, on your own wiki, enter a wiki url and a filter. Click on the 
> Fetch button and the tiddlers from the wiki at the url given that match the 
> filter are copied into your wiki.
> Both wikis involved need the plugin in order for this to work.
>
> For demonstration, I have one wiki on my domain 
> http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/FetchTiddlers/
> and I have one wiki on tiddlyspot http://tiddlerbundletest.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Remember, both wikis need the plugin so you won't be able to pull anything 
> from another wiki unless you install the plugin on that wiki too. Be 
> careful when doing that since to my knowledge me and mat are the only 
> people who have done anything with this yet and there may be some bugs we 
> haven't seen yet.
>
>
> The longer description:
> This was a mostly unplanned result of the tiddler bundles I have been 
> working on and it still has some leftovers from that that I will change or 
> remove soon.
> There are two wikis involved, I am going to call the one you control the 
> local wiki and the wiki that you want to fetch things from the remote wiki.
> I made a new tiddler message based on how fetching plugins works, but 
> instead of fetching existing objects it talks to the remote wiki and the 
> remote wiki bundles the desired tiddlers together and sends the bundle.
> There are four steps to this:
> 1) The user of the local wiki triggers the tm-fetch-bundle wiki message, 
> which uses postMessage and a hidden iframe to send a message to the remote 
> wiki with information about the desired bundle
> 2) The remote wiki has a listener when receives the message and creates 
> the requested bundle and then uses postMessage to send it back to the local 
> wiki
> 3) The local wiki has a listener which receives the message from the 
> remote wiki and adds the received bundle as a tiddler in the local wiki.
> 4) The hidden iframe is closed.
>
> The tiddlers are currently all bundled when sent so that the received 
> object doesn't have any properties that will maliciously affect the 
> receiving wiki. I need to change tiddler bundles so that they are displayed 
> inside code blocks so none of the wikitext is rendered. I am hoping to add 
> more to the messages passed between the wikis so that if desired the local 
> wiki can just directly import a tiddler instead of a bundle, but for now I 
> want to make things as safe as possible for users.
> Since nothing is saved until the user manually saves the wiki I don't 
> think that the send bundle message can be abused, but as part of improving 
> the messages I will probably add some very primitive authentication so you 
> can set the local wiki to only accept bundles from approved remote wikis. 
> And remote wikis can be set to only accept the bundle request if the local 
> wiki has been approved. Since javascript is used for the negotiations we 
> should be able to have pretty complex behaviour for requests and replies.
>
> This may be used as a way to make a multi-user wiki. Each user would have 
> their own version and they would edit it however they like, then they would 
> periodically fetch changes from the other users. We need to come up with 
> some method of version control for this to work, but it should be a start.
>
> This last bit is a note that I should probably expand upon and put as an 
> issue on github:
> I don't know if the close/reload plugin library problem has been solved, 
> but if not than we should be able to apply how I close the iframe here to 
> closing plugin libraries. Even if that isn't the case, how we handle plugin 
> libraries needs to be made more generic so that the same mechanism can be 
> reused for other inter-wiki communication. This isn't any big change, just 
> a thought before we make other things that use the mechanism. Also as part 
> of the re-factoring we should make it easier for plugin writers to add 
> browser messages without needing to edit 
> $:/core/modules/startup/browser-messaging.js
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[tw] Re: [TW5] ListWidget can't solve it, so how...

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 3:57:38 PM UTC-8, Mat wrote:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[class]]" variable="class">
>__<>__
><$list filter="[tag]" variable="pupil">
>   - <>
>
> 
> ...should not at all show Class2 as there are no pupils tagged with this 
> class.
>
> How can I get this result? Seems so elementary, but...?
>

You can wrap the 'heading' output in it's own <$list> widget, using the 
same filter as the one that follows it, but with "limit[1]" added.  This 
effectively turns the $list widget into an "if not empty" test for 
conditionally displaying the enclosed content.  Like this:

<$list filter="[tag[class]]" variable="class">
   <$list filter="[taglimit[1]]" variable="pupil">
   __<>__
   
   <$list filter="[tag]" variable="pupil">
  - <>
   


enjoy,
-e

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[tw] Re: click on save, then cancel, dirty indicator not red

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 3:55:59 PM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote:
>
> If you click on download, then cancel the download, then the dirty 
> indicator is removed.
> It would lull you into a false sense of security, you'd not have saved 
> changes...
>

TW *initiates* the download, but the rest is handled by the browser, and 
operates asynchronously.  This makes it very difficult (nearly impossible) 
to wait for it to finish saving and get back a "success" or "fail" return 
code.  Thus, the TWcore *assumes* that you allowed the download to continue 
and it finished successfully, and it clears the dirty indicator accordingly.

It's not the ideal behavior, but it's all we have at the moment.

-e

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[tw] Re: [TW5] My "filpar" macros Demo

[SteveH]

Thank you 

I'll give it a go.

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[tw] Re: Gaugeing interest in revitalizing (an/the) official #tiddlywiki IRC channel on the freenode network?

[Mat]

In what way would IRC be better than google (text) hangouts? I've never 
used IRC so I'm wondering, not objecting against it in any way.

By the way, apropos hangouts; I've noticed in the gmail hangout discussin 
feature that there seem to be *many* google hangout groups (i.e they've got 
the green spot to indicate active). I'm guessing these are "leftover 
groups" from the recorded hangouts, i.e that the people who participated 
are somehow considered a "group" that persists in the system.Does anybody 
know?  (...I must confess I've never dared to click on one thinking I might 
disturb some serious hardcore matter.) 

<:-)

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[tw] [TW5] ListWidget can't solve it, so how...

[Mat]

Seems basic, but I just can't figure it out...

demo 

<$list filter="[tag[class]]" variable="class">
   __<>__
   <$list filter="[tag]" variable="pupil">
  - <>
   


which results in

*Class1*
- Pupil1
- Pupil2
*Class2*
*Class3*
- Pupil3
- Pupil4

...should not at all show Class2 as there are no pupils tagged with this 
class.

How can I get this result? Seems so elementary, but...?

I posted issue #2202  on 
this and that there ought to be a preMessage and postMessage parameter to 
the list widget... but meanwhile... what to do?

Thank you!

<:-)

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[tw] click on save, then cancel, dirty indicator not red

[Alex Hough]

Dear Friends

If you click on download, then cancel the download, then the dirty
indicator is removed.

It would lull you into a false sense of security, you'd not have saved
changes...

Alex

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Re: [tw] Re: Remove tag from a list of tiddlers without listops

[Tobias Beer]

Hi David,
 

> Do I have to update TiddlyDesktop and TiddlyWIki separately? I have 
> TiddlyDesktop 0.0.8 and it's the most recent version of TiddlyDesktop I can 
> find
>

Not exactly sure how that works in TiddlyDesktop. My guess is that you can 
update such a wiki like any other. However, possibly, if you're using the 
wiki folder feature of TiddlyDesktop, I imagine that it will server 
whatever TiddlyWiki version a given TiddlyDesktop version shipped with.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: TW5 Taggable Lists from Flat List Input

[TJ Hoeft]

Ok.  I think I figured it out.  Here's what I did.


-
*Tiddler 1*: Coffee List
-
Coffee
Sugar
Milk
[[Coffee Mug]]  <---Must be in brackets
Spoon
-

-
*Tiddler 2*: $:/TJ/Template2  <--Same as before
-

IgnoreIs 
StagedDescription

<$list filter=<> >

<$checkbox tag="ignored"><$link to={{!!title}}>
<$checkbox tag="staged"><$link to={{!!title}}>
<$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>



-

*-*
*Tiddler 3*: My_Templated_Instance_Test (assembly query)
Result: Works!!
-
<$set name="inputList" value={{Coffee List}}>
{{<>||$:/TJ/Template2}}
} 
-


On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 12:30:29 PM UTC-8, TJ Hoeft wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I’m trying to figure out how to use template tiddlers to render a flat 
> (new line delimited) list. Here is what I figured out so far. In tiddler 1 
> shown below, I have a simple list. I wish to render that list as an HTML 
> table with checkboxes that enable me to add processing state that I can use 
> for later filtering. My intention is to transclude tiddler 1 as input into 
> the rendering template shown in tiddler 2. My goal is to have a very simple 
> instantiation method such as tiddler 3. However, this is not working.
> Any help is much appreciated,
> TJ
>
>
> -
> *Tiddler 1*: Coffee List
>
> -
> Coffee
> Sugar
> Milk
> Coffee Mug
> Spoon
>
> -
>
> Tiddler 2 is using an input variable called “inputList” to supposedly 
> store the list items from the flat list in tiddler 1. I anticipate that 
> this list will be populated by a call from either tiddler 3 or tiddler 4 in 
> order to find the state from the flat list to the template and capture its 
> output.
>
>
> -
> *Tiddler 2*: $:/TJ/Template2
>
> -
> 
> IgnoreIs 
> StagedDescription
>
> <$list filter=<> >
> 
> <$checkbox tag="ignored"><$link 
> to={{!!title}}>
> <$checkbox tag="staged"><$link to={{!!title}}>
> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>
> 
> 
> 
>
> -
>
> Tiddler 3 is how I would like to point to the input list and the template 
> (or some similar variant).
>
>
> *-*
> *Tiddler 3*: My_Templated_Instance_Test (assembly query)
> Result: Fails
>
> -
> Coffee List}}||$:/TJ/Template2}} 
>
> -
>
> As a test, I tried some hardcoded values as inputs in tiddler 4 shown 
> below. This worked as expected.
>
>
> -
> *Tiddler 4*: Templated_Instance_Debug (assembly query)
> Result: Works with inline list
>
> -
> {{Coffee Sugar Spoon Milk||$:/TJ/Template2}} 
>
> -
>
> Using the transclude method directly within the template as in tiddler 5, 
> I was able to render the list as a table as expected. However, I would like 
> the “inputList” variable to be somehow defined outside of the template when 
> the template is called.
>
>
> -
> *Tiddler 5*: Alternate Hardcoded Call
> Result: Works
>
> -
> <$set name="inputList" value={{Coffee List}}>
> 
> IgnoreIs 
> StagedDescription
>
> <$list filter=<> >
> 
> <$checkbox tag="Kitchen-ignored"><$link 
> to={{!!title}}>
> <$checkbox tag="Kitchen-staged"><$link 
> to={{!!title}}>
> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> -
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Favorites

[Alex Hough]

Very useful Andrew,

thank you.
It replaces my crude "pin to topBar" checkbox. Its good to have a temporary
place to "put" things

Alex

On 23 January 2016 at 22:20, andrew harrison 
wrote:

> Hello again wonderful Tiddlywiki people. I've upgraded my favorites plugin
> to 2.0.0. It's still a useful way to displaying a cherry-picked list of
> tiddlers. Version incremented because it no longer uses tags. Check it out
> and let me know what you think. http://favorites.tiddlyspot.com
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Tobias Beer  wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>>
>>> Thank you both for feedback. I have placed the favorites tab in front of
>>> the others and named it with the star icon and gave it a tooltip of
>>> favorites. Thank you again for your feedback.
>>>
>>
>> Cool stuff. Now I'm beginning to wonder if it should not, in fact, be the
>> last tab. :D
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> — tb
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Re: [tw] Re: Remove tag from a list of tiddlers without listops

[David Allen]

Do I have to update TiddlyDesktop and TiddlyWIki separately? I have
TiddlyDesktop 0.0.8 and it's the most recent version of TiddlyDesktop I can
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> Hi David,
>
> The reason I ask for this is because I'm using the desktop application and
>> it doesn't seem to have action-listops as a widget and I don't know where
>> to go to install said widget.  I'm trying to remove a specific tag from a
>> list of tiddlers that have said tag but I don't have listops so I'm not
>> sure how to do this.
>>
>
> Be sure to update TiddlyWiki to 5.1.10.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias.
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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to put variable to {{}} ?

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 9:38:09 AM UTC-8, sini-Kit wrote:
>
>  I have a problem with "current tiddler" again. In zoomin view other 
> tiddlers don't know what tiddler is current. if I make tiddler with   text 
> <> , and put tag $:/tags/TopLeftBar nothing will appear 
> in  TopLeftBar , because TopLeftBar don't know what tiddler is current .
>

I think you may have some confusion about what "current" tiddler the 
<> variable refers to.

It is not about which tiddler is "currently viewed by the user"... rather, 
the "current" tiddler is the context in which the macro is being processed 
and rendered by the TWCore.  Thus, if I put <> into a 
tiddler named "Foo", and then view that tiddler, the value of 
<> if "Foo", regardless of which other tiddlers are being 
displayed in the story.  Tagging that tiddler with $:/tags/TopLeftBar 
automatically transcludes it into the $:/core/ui/PageTemplate/topleftbar, 
which makes that tiddler the "currentTiddler" in the *rendering* process. 
 In your example (putting <> into a tiddler tagged with 
$:/tags/TopLeftBar), it *should* have displayed 
"$:/core/ui/PageTemplate/topleftbar" in the top left of your document. 
 However, you report that "nothing" appears there, which is not the results 
I would expect.

In any case, using <> won't get you what you want, i.e. the 
name of the tiddler currently being displayed in the StoryRiver.  For that, 
try using {{$:/HistoryList!!current-tiddler}}, which is automatically 
updated whenever you open/view a tiddler (i.e., by clicking a tiddler link).

However, there is one relatively small issue with 
HistoryList!!current-tiddler... it is not updated when you close a tiddler 
(because it's *only* closing the tiddler, and no navigation to another 
tiddler occurs at that time).  One way to avoid this is to hide the 'close 
tiddler' in the ViewToolbar control panel settings, so that the user can't 
actually close open tiddlers.  Since you are using zoom-in mode to display 
tiddlers one-at-a-time, the user can simply navigate to another tiddler, 
with the *appearance* that the first tiddler is "closed" (even though it's 
really still in the StoryRiver... just hidden at the moment).

hope this helps,

enjoy,
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Favorites

[andrew harrison]

Hello again wonderful Tiddlywiki people. I've upgraded my favorites plugin
to 2.0.0. It's still a useful way to displaying a cherry-picked list of
tiddlers. Version incremented because it no longer uses tags. Check it out
and let me know what you think. http://favorites.tiddlyspot.com

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Tobias Beer  wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
>
>> Thank you both for feedback. I have placed the favorites tab in front of
>> the others and named it with the star icon and gave it a tooltip of
>> favorites. Thank you again for your feedback.
>>
>
> Cool stuff. Now I'm beginning to wonder if it should not, in fact, be the
> last tab. :D
>
> Best wishes,
>
> — tb
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[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

[alien]

Instead of adding 'self-referential' tags to the documentation plugin 
Concepts, Messages, etc tiddlers to make the More / Tags sidebar work 
correctly:

Just change the $:/core/Filters/AllTags filter to be 
[all[tiddlers+shadows]tags[]!is[system]sort[title]]

You will then see all of the documentation plugin tiddler tags correclty 
listed and they are clickable in the More / Tags sidebar (even if the 
documentation plugin tiddlers are shadows).

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[tw] TW5 Taggable Lists from Flat List Input

[TJ Hoeft]

Hello all,
I’m trying to figure out how to use template tiddlers to render a flat (new 
line delimited) list. Here is what I figured out so far. In tiddler 1 shown 
below, I have a simple list. I wish to render that list as an HTML table 
with checkboxes that enable me to add processing state that I can use for 
later filtering. My intention is to transclude tiddler 1 as input into the 
rendering template shown in tiddler 2. My goal is to have a very simple 
instantiation method such as tiddler 3. However, this is not working.
Any help is much appreciated,
TJ

-
*Tiddler 1*: Coffee List
-
Coffee
Sugar
Milk
Coffee Mug
Spoon
-

Tiddler 2 is using an input variable called “inputList” to supposedly store 
the list items from the flat list in tiddler 1. I anticipate that this list 
will be populated by a call from either tiddler 3 or tiddler 4 in order to 
find the state from the flat list to the template and capture its output.

-
*Tiddler 2*: $:/TJ/Template2
-

IgnoreIs 
StagedDescription

<$list filter=<> >

<$checkbox tag="ignored"><$link to={{!!title}}>
<$checkbox tag="staged"><$link to={{!!title}}>
<$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>



-

Tiddler 3 is how I would like to point to the input list and the template 
(or some similar variant).

*-*
*Tiddler 3*: My_Templated_Instance_Test (assembly query)
Result: Fails
-
Coffee List}}||$:/TJ/Template2}} 
-

As a test, I tried some hardcoded values as inputs in tiddler 4 shown 
below. This worked as expected.

-
*Tiddler 4*: Templated_Instance_Debug (assembly query)
Result: Works with inline list
-
{{Coffee Sugar Spoon Milk||$:/TJ/Template2}} 
-

Using the transclude method directly within the template as in tiddler 5, I 
was able to render the list as a table as expected. However, I would like 
the “inputList” variable to be somehow defined outside of the template when 
the template is called.

-
*Tiddler 5*: Alternate Hardcoded Call
Result: Works
-
<$set name="inputList" value={{Coffee List}}>

IgnoreIs 
StagedDescription

<$list filter=<> >

<$checkbox tag="Kitchen-ignored"><$link 
to={{!!title}}>
<$checkbox tag="Kitchen-staged"><$link 
to={{!!title}}>
<$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>




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[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

[BJ]

Hi Allen,
plugins alway unpack as shadow tiddlers. - If you fix the lists you could 
submit you modifications to tiddlywiki, all help is appreciated.

all the best
BJ

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 6:27:57 PM UTC, alien wrote:
>
> That's it! Thanks for the filter info. I've modfied a few of the lists and 
> it's now working as expected!
>
> Unfortunately, if you want to be able to see the list of tagged 
> documentation tiddlers from the pills, you need to tag each tiddler 
> (Concepts, Messages, etc.) with their own tag, and then it also works 
> correctly from the tags list in the sidebar.
>
> The documentation plugin is in the offcial plugin list, but these 
> shadow/list limitations are a bit confusing. It really needs to work as it 
> does in the full tiddlywiki where all the documentation tiddlers are 
> built-in.
>
> Could I suggest to the plugin maintainers that the documentation is 
> re-packaged as a set of normal tiddlers to be imported and not installed as 
> a plugin?
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Jed,
 

> I wasn't aware that there is a documentation plugin. But yes, you are 
> correct that the tiddlers aren't acting as expected because they are shadow 
> tiddlers. Solving this would require a significant amount of effort since 
> we would need to rewrite the documentation to make all the lists include 
> plugin tiddlers.
>

I think the solution is quite a different one.

To me, the only difference of shadows vs. "standard" tiddlers is or perhaps 
*should 
be* that they are part of a (plugin-)bundle and thus cannot be deleted 
unless the bundle is deleted. And that's it. In *every* other regard, they 
should act like any other tiddler, and so they *absolutely must* show up in 
lists.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to put variable to {{}} ?

[Tobias Beer]

Hi sini-Kit,
 

>  I have a problem with "current tiddler" again. In zoomin view other 
> tiddlers don't know what tiddler is current. if I make tiddler with   text 
> <> , and put tag $:/tags/TopLeftBar nothing will appear 
> in  TopLeftBar , because TopLeftBar don't know what tiddler is current .
>

I thought that's why you were using the StoryList tiddler... so as to read 
that "currentTiddler" ...which in your case appears to always be one at a 
time.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

[alien]

That's it! Thanks for the filter info. I've modfied a few of the lists and 
it's now working as expected!

Unfortunately, if you want to be able to see the list of tagged 
documentation tiddlers from the pills, you need to tag each tiddler 
(Concepts, Messages, etc.) with their own tag, and then it also works 
correctly from the tags list in the sidebar.

The documentation plugin is in the offcial plugin list, but these 
shadow/list limitations are a bit confusing. It really needs to work as it 
does in the full tiddlywiki where all the documentation tiddlers are 
built-in.

Could I suggest to the plugin maintainers that the documentation is 
re-packaged as a set of normal tiddlers to be imported and not installed as 
a plugin?

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[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

[Jed Carty]

The tag pill template explicitly includes shadow tiddlers for their lists, 
the others don't. If you don't have something like all[tiddlers+shadows] in 
your filter it will ignore shadow tiddlers, if you have it than it will 
include them. That change is from where the list is made, not from the 
tiddlers being listed.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to put variable to {{}} ?

[sini-Kit]

Tobias, I solve my problem, but not in that way I wanted. 
 I have a problem with "current tiddler" again. In zoomin view other 
tiddlers don't know what tiddler is current. if I make tiddler with   text 
<> , and put tag $:/tags/TopLeftBar nothing will appear 
in  TopLeftBar , because TopLeftBar don't know what tiddler is current .


суббота, 23 января 2016 г., 18:10:08 UTC+3 пользователь Tobias Beer написал:

> Hi sini-Kit,
>
> Try to debug your code step by step.
> For example, if I just do this:
>
> {{{ [list[$:/StoryList!!list]] }}}
>
> ...then I get nothing.
>
> Perhaps you try to explain from the very beginning
>
>- what you actually want to do and
>- how you imagined of achieving it
>
> ...not in terms of solution (macro this and that) but in terms of concept 
> (I want to show foo at bar).
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias.
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

[alien]

What I don't really understand is why the tag pills are working as expected 
within the documentation plugin shadow tidders.

If you tag the tidder WikiText with the tag Wikitext and save it (as a 
normal tiddler), you can then see ALL of the documentation tidders tagged 
with WikiText.
However, the list of WikiText elements within the WikiText tiddler itself 
then only shows WikiText (as all the others are still shadows). I assume 
there is a slightly different mechanism for the tag pills and lists of 
tiddler links? 

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[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

[Jed Carty]

I wasn't aware that there is a documentation plugin. But yes, you are 
correct that the tiddlers aren't acting as expected because they are shadow 
tiddlers. Solving this would require a significant amount of effort since 
we would need to rewrite the documentation to make all the lists include 
plugin tiddlers.

The good news is that with the plugin bundles and remote fetching I am 
currently working on we may be able to simplify a lot of how plugins and 
documentation is distributed. I don't know how long it will take to get 
anything useful from this though.

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[tw] TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

[alien]

I installed the TW5 documentation plugin, because I wanted to have it 
directly in my test wiki.
I've used the reference tiddlers as part of the 'full' tiddlywiki download 
and everything works perfectly, but not as a plugin.
Unfortunately, I've noticed that none of the lists based on tags are 
showing up in the documentation tiddlers, this isn't so useful. For 
example, there is a documentation tiddler called Concepts, which contains a 
list of tiddlers tagged with Concepts. None of the Concepts tiddlers are 
actually shown in a list in the tiddler. There isn't any indication 
anything is missing either, it's just blank where the list should be!
However, if you find one of the tiddlers tagged as a Concept there you can 
click the tag 'pill' and you get the list of Concepts tiddlers.
I assume this behaviour is because plugin tiddlers are shadow tiddlers and 
tags are not included from shadows?
Incidentally, none of the documentation tags show up in the tag list unless 
I save them as normal tidders (to override the shadow).
I could solve this by going through ALL the relevant documentation plugin 
tiddlers and saving them as normal tiddlers, but that's a bit of overkill 
IMHO. By the way, there are also lots of other tiddlers included in the 
'documentation' that are not really documentation. It would be nicer just 
to have the tiddlywiki reference tiddlers separated from all the community 
info, etc.

Is there an elegant solution to this problem, am I missing something, or is 
it unfortunately just the way plugins work with shadow tiddlers? Or can I 
change the list parameters/settings somewhere to make this work?

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Re: [tw] Re: Creator bug?

[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

Thanks for popping in and doing that.

My reluctance is mainly that I don't want to duplicate reports or clutter 
up bug reports with feature requests.  I feel like I should spend (just a 
little) time paying attention to GitHub so as not to weigh down developers 
and contributors with hare-brained ideas.  (I'll save those for the Google 
Group!)

On Thursday, January 21, 2016 at 8:50:55 AM UTC-5, Tobias Beer wrote:

So long as you're not actually coding, it's fairly trivial, I'd say ven 
> Pull Requests for changes to the documentation. Just register, star the 
> TiddlyWiki project (also keeps you in the loop on what's being discussed / 
> developed) ...and report what's in need of reporting (doing some 
> preliminary search, though ;-).
>
> Here's the issue:
>
> *#2246 creator and created must not be set when modified*
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/2246
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[tw] Re: Remove tag from a list of tiddlers without listops

[Tobias Beer]

Hi David,

The reason I ask for this is because I'm using the desktop application and 
> it doesn't seem to have action-listops as a widget and I don't know where 
> to go to install said widget.  I'm trying to remove a specific tag from a 
> list of tiddlers that have said tag but I don't have listops so I'm not 
> sure how to do this.
>

Be sure to update TiddlyWiki to 5.1.10.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to put variable to {{}} ?

[Tobias Beer]

Hi sini-Kit,

Try to debug your code step by step.
For example, if I just do this:

{{{ [list[$:/StoryList!!list]] }}}

...then I get nothing.

Perhaps you try to explain from the very beginning

   - what you actually want to do and
   - how you imagined of achieving it

...not in terms of solution (macro this and that) but in terms of concept 
(I want to show foo at bar).

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] Remove tag from a list of tiddlers without listops

[David Allen]

The reason I ask for this is because I'm using the desktop application and 
it doesn't seem to have action-listops as a widget and I don't know where 
to go to install said widget.  I'm trying to remove a specific tag from a 
list of tiddlers that have said tag but I don't have listops so I'm not 
sure how to do this.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to put variable to {{}} ?

[sini-Kit]

Thank you Tobias, and Eric. But all your variants don't work in my wiki. 
You can try them  here http://novye-podarki.ru/empty26_.html#Figures  my 
define work on left panel 

here is code of my define 
http://novye-podarki.ru/empty26_.html#%24%3A%2F_selectParametres

I think your variants don't work because tiddler _header 
http://novye-podarki.ru/empty26_.html#%24%3A%2F_header don't understand 
what tiddler is current

пятница, 22 января 2016 г., 15:15:53 UTC+3 пользователь Tobias Beer написал:

> Hi sini-Kit,
>
> Why not just do this:
>
> <$list filter="[list[$:/StoryList!!list]limit[1]]" variable="nazvanie">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> field="setpar"/>
> 
>
> or just:
>
> <$list filter="[list[$:/StoryList!!list]limit[1]]">
> {{!!setpar}}
> 
>
> ?
>
> When wishing to evaluate attributes, there's a good chance you always need 
> to resort to using widgets, incl. the macrocall widget and perhaps some 
> helper macros if that isn't enough already.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias. 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] My "filpar" macros Demo

[sini-Kit]

No, you don't need. it is not plugin. Drag this tiddler 
http://novye-podarki.ru/empty10_.html#%24%3A%2F_macros%2Ffilpar  to your 
wiki

and make tiddler (for example) with 

<>
<$list filter="[is[current]tagging[]!list[$:/temp/_HideStoryList!!list]]" 
/> 

this macros put the names of tiddler to hide in $:/temp/_HideStoryList  
field list.



суббота, 23 января 2016 г., 6:14:52 UTC+3 пользователь SteveH написал:

> Hi,
>
> I've opened the link, copied the macro to my TW (TW5), do I need to load a 
> plugin to try it?
>
> Thanks
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Why does this standard CSS not work in TW5?

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Mat,
 

> It does 
> seem
>  
> to work without without that type. Maybe there are other specific CSS 
> pieces that don't. But also, why doesn't tagging it with $:/tags/Stylesheet 
> then automatically set the type (or vice versa) if it is required... ?
>

It is *not required*. In fact, if you were to set that type
you would *not* be able to use any wikitext so as to
dynamically construct your stylesheet from other tidbits.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: a question regarding tiddlywiki youtube plugin

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Steve,
 

> Very old thread.Is there a  YouTube macro for TW5? 
>

There's this:

http://youtube.tiddlyspot.com

...and I haven't revisited the thing to create some plugin of it.

At the time I wanted to generalize it into an annotation tool for different 
types of media,
but haven't gotten to it yet.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Why does this standard CSS not work in TW5?

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Mat,


> It does 
> seem
>  
> to work without without that type. Maybe there are other specific CSS 
> pieces that don't. But also, why doesn't tagging it with $:/tags/Stylesheet 
> then automatically set the type (or vice versa) if it is required... ?
>

Maybe this  helps,

Cheers,

Ton 

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[tw] [TW5] Another step toward federation - a plugin to remotely fetch tiddlers from a wiki

[Jed Carty]

Here is the quick description:
This lets you fetch tiddlers from other wikis online. The wikis can be on 
the same server or other servers.
To use it, on your own wiki, enter a wiki url and a filter. Click on the 
Fetch button and the tiddlers from the wiki at the url given that match the 
filter are copied into your wiki.
Both wikis involved need the plugin in order for this to work.

For demonstration, I have one wiki on my domain 
http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/FetchTiddlers/
and I have one wiki on tiddlyspot http://tiddlerbundletest.tiddlyspot.com/

Remember, both wikis need the plugin so you won't be able to pull anything 
from another wiki unless you install the plugin on that wiki too. Be 
careful when doing that since to my knowledge me and mat are the only 
people who have done anything with this yet and there may be some bugs we 
haven't seen yet.


The longer description:
This was a mostly unplanned result of the tiddler bundles I have been 
working on and it still has some leftovers from that that I will change or 
remove soon.
There are two wikis involved, I am going to call the one you control the 
local wiki and the wiki that you want to fetch things from the remote wiki.
I made a new tiddler message based on how fetching plugins works, but 
instead of fetching existing objects it talks to the remote wiki and the 
remote wiki bundles the desired tiddlers together and sends the bundle.
There are four steps to this:
1) The user of the local wiki triggers the tm-fetch-bundle wiki message, 
which uses postMessage and a hidden iframe to send a message to the remote 
wiki with information about the desired bundle
2) The remote wiki has a listener when receives the message and creates the 
requested bundle and then uses postMessage to send it back to the local wiki
3) The local wiki has a listener which receives the message from the remote 
wiki and adds the received bundle as a tiddler in the local wiki.
4) The hidden iframe is closed.

The tiddlers are currently all bundled when sent so that the received 
object doesn't have any properties that will maliciously affect the 
receiving wiki. I need to change tiddler bundles so that they are displayed 
inside code blocks so none of the wikitext is rendered. I am hoping to add 
more to the messages passed between the wikis so that if desired the local 
wiki can just directly import a tiddler instead of a bundle, but for now I 
want to make things as safe as possible for users.
Since nothing is saved until the user manually saves the wiki I don't think 
that the send bundle message can be abused, but as part of improving the 
messages I will probably add some very primitive authentication so you can 
set the local wiki to only accept bundles from approved remote wikis. And 
remote wikis can be set to only accept the bundle request if the local wiki 
has been approved. Since javascript is used for the negotiations we should 
be able to have pretty complex behaviour for requests and replies.

This may be used as a way to make a multi-user wiki. Each user would have 
their own version and they would edit it however they like, then they would 
periodically fetch changes from the other users. We need to come up with 
some method of version control for this to work, but it should be a start.

This last bit is a note that I should probably expand upon and put as an 
issue on github:
I don't know if the close/reload plugin library problem has been solved, 
but if not than we should be able to apply how I close the iframe here to 
closing plugin libraries. Even if that isn't the case, how we handle plugin 
libraries needs to be made more generic so that the same mechanism can be 
reused for other inter-wiki communication. This isn't any big change, just 
a thought before we make other things that use the mechanism. Also as part 
of the re-factoring we should make it easier for plugin writers to add 
browser messages without needing to edit 
$:/core/modules/startup/browser-messaging.js

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