Re: [tw] [TW5] Is it possible to make a Copy2Clipboard widget?

[R]

Nice. Doesn't fit my use case but proves it can be done :D

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 7:16 PM, infurnoape 
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>  Original message 
> From: Rustem <8pa...@gmail.com>
> Date: 6/24/16 6:03 PM (GMT-07:00)
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> Cc: jeremy.rus...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [tw] [TW5] Is it possible to make a Copy2Clipboard widget?
>
> Is it time to revisit the issue? Seems to be supported by all major
> browsers. http://caniuse.com/#feat=clipboard
> Would be nice to have a "copy" button appear on hover over any 
> piece.
>
> On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 at 11:26:22 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andrew
>>
>> I'd also love to have a "copy to clipboard" button. The HTML5 Clipboard
>> API is proceeding very slowly, with very patchy browser support. There's no
>> implementation of copy to clipboard that I know of.
>>
>> Right now the best prospect for an implementation is within
>> TiddlyDesktop, where we can rise above browser limitations.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:05 AM, andrew harrison 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Everyone else online is using ZeroClipboard because of security
>>> restraints but that is a hack in itself and I expect will stop working
>>> eventually. In addition, it only works online.
>>> The W3C is going to be implementing the Clipboard API for HTML 5 (
>>> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/clipops/clipops.html) but it still
>>> doesn't seem to work yet. I can't find any working examples online.
>>> The following code is what I have been using in TWC but it only seems to
>>> work in Internet Explorer but not in Tiddlywiki 5 because Javascript is
>>> stripped. I could spend time writing a widget for just IE but is it worth
>>> it?
>>> Can anyone tell me what direction I should go? The alternative is
>>> painstakingly selecting text and hitting Ctrl + C or right click to copy,
>>> or in the case of touch screen by long pressing and messing with those
>>> selector arrows. 3 or more steps vs 1 step. I am trying to aim for
>>> something that copies to clipboard online, offline, server side, client
>>> side, mouse, touch screen, and browser independent. Is that to much to wish
>>> for?
>>>
>>> Copy
>>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Transparent background for one tiddler

[FrD]

Hi,

You're right. I was dealing with the problem the wrong way.
I'll use css on tc-modal and the like.

I'm trying some ideas on a lightbox like system. I'll post here about my 
progress.

Thanks

FrD

Le samedi 25 juin 2016 00:50:17 UTC+2, Evolena a écrit :
>
> Then you can look at the tc-modal classes in the vanilla stylesheet.
> .tc-modal, .tc-modal-footer {
> background-color: transparent;
> }
> can be a first step to achieve what you want.
>
> However, I don't know how to assign another class to modals.
>
> So I'm not sure it's not outside the story.
>>
> It is indeed: links inside a modal are not catched by the navigator 
> widget, for instance.
>
> Le vendredi 24 juin 2016 17:48:09 UTC+2, FrD a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Matthew,
>>
>> The tiddler with the transparent background will be used for a kind of 
>> lightbox (with the "tm-modal" message). So I'm not sure it's not outside 
>> the story.
>>
>> Thanks anyway.
>>
>> FrD
>>
>> Le vendredi 24 juin 2016 17:28:00 UTC+2, Matthew Lauber a écrit :
>>>
>>> Tiddlers (in tw5, which I'm assuming you're using) do not have the title 
>>> property set.  Not sure of the correct solution, but that's the cause of 
>>> the problem.  
>>>
>>> One possible solution is to change the $:/core/ui/PageTemplate/story to 
>>> special case the tiddler with the given title and wrap it in a 
>>>
>>> @@background-color: transparent;
>>> {{transclude}}...
>>> @@
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 11:01:22 AM UTC-4, FrD wrote:

 Hi,

 I'd like to have a transparent background for one precise tiddler : 
 MyTiddler.
 I've tried to put this in a stylesheet :

 div[title=MyTiddler]{
 background-color: transparent;
 }


 but no way, the background remains the same.

 What am I missing ?


 Thansk for your help

 FrD

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Is it possible to make a Copy2Clipboard widget?

[Rustem]

There is a JS library for that already. Demo at https://clipboardjs.com/ 
and it's on guthub  as well.

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 6:03:48 PM UTC-7, Rustem wrote:
>
> Is it time to revisit the issue? Seems to be supported by all major 
> browsers. http://caniuse.com/#feat=clipboard
> Would be nice to have a "copy" button appear on hover over any  
> piece.
>
> On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 at 11:26:22 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andrew
>>
>> I'd also love to have a "copy to clipboard" button. The HTML5 Clipboard 
>> API is proceeding very slowly, with very patchy browser support. There's no 
>> implementation of copy to clipboard that I know of.
>>
>> Right now the best prospect for an implementation is within 
>> TiddlyDesktop, where we can rise above browser limitations.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:05 AM, andrew harrison  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Everyone else online is using ZeroClipboard because of security 
>>> restraints but that is a hack in itself and I expect will stop working 
>>> eventually. In addition, it only works online.
>>> The W3C is going to be implementing the Clipboard API for HTML 5 (
>>> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/clipops/clipops.html) but it still 
>>> doesn't seem to work yet. I can't find any working examples online.
>>> The following code is what I have been using in TWC but it only seems to 
>>> work in Internet Explorer but not in Tiddlywiki 5 because Javascript is 
>>> stripped. I could spend time writing a widget for just IE but is it worth 
>>> it?
>>> Can anyone tell me what direction I should go? The alternative is 
>>> painstakingly selecting text and hitting Ctrl + C or right click to copy, 
>>> or in the case of touch screen by long pressing and messing with those 
>>> selector arrows. 3 or more steps vs 1 step. I am trying to aim for 
>>> something that copies to clipboard online, offline, server side, client 
>>> side, mouse, touch screen, and browser independent. Is that to much to wish 
>>> for?
>>>
>>> Copy
>>>
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Re: [tw] [TW5] Is it possible to make a Copy2Clipboard widget?

[infurnoape]

Check out how I did this plugin. http://copy.tiddlyspot.com
Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 5

 Original message 
From: Rustem <8pa...@gmail.com> 
Date: 6/24/16  6:03 PM  (GMT-07:00) 
To: TiddlyWiki  
Cc: jeremy.rus...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [tw] [TW5] Is it possible to make a Copy2Clipboard widget? 

Is it time to revisit the issue? Seems to be supported by all major browsers. 
http://caniuse.com/#feat=clipboard
Would be nice to have a "copy" button appear on hover over any  piece.

On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 at 11:26:22 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:Hi Andrew
I'd also love to have a "copy to clipboard" button. The HTML5 Clipboard API is 
proceeding very slowly, with very patchy browser support. There's no 
implementation of copy to clipboard that I know of.
Right now the best prospect for an implementation is within TiddlyDesktop, 
where we can rise above browser limitations.
Best wishes
Jeremy

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:05 AM, andrew harrison  wrote:
  Everyone else online is using ZeroClipboard because of security restraints 
but that is a hack in itself and I expect will stop working eventually. In 
addition, it only works online.
  The W3C is going to be implementing the Clipboard API for HTML 5 
(http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/clipops/clipops.html) but it still doesn't seem 
to work yet. I can't find any working examples online.
  The following code is what I have been using in TWC but it only seems to work 
in Internet Explorer but not in Tiddlywiki 5 because Javascript is stripped. I 
could spend time writing a widget for just IE but is it worth it?
  Can anyone tell me what direction I should go? The alternative is 
painstakingly selecting text and hitting Ctrl + C or right click to copy, or in 
the case of touch screen by long pressing and messing with those selector 
arrows. 3 or more steps vs 1 step. I am trying to aim for something that copies 
to clipboard online, offline, server side, client side, mouse, touch screen, 
and browser independent. Is that to much to wish for?Copy



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Re: [tw] [TW5] Is it possible to make a Copy2Clipboard widget?

[Rustem]

Is it time to revisit the issue? Seems to be supported by all major 
browsers. http://caniuse.com/#feat=clipboard
Would be nice to have a "copy" button appear on hover over any  piece.

On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 at 11:26:22 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew
>
> I'd also love to have a "copy to clipboard" button. The HTML5 Clipboard 
> API is proceeding very slowly, with very patchy browser support. There's no 
> implementation of copy to clipboard that I know of.
>
> Right now the best prospect for an implementation is within TiddlyDesktop, 
> where we can rise above browser limitations.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:05 AM, andrew harrison  > wrote:
>
>> Everyone else online is using ZeroClipboard because of security 
>> restraints but that is a hack in itself and I expect will stop working 
>> eventually. In addition, it only works online.
>> The W3C is going to be implementing the Clipboard API for HTML 5 (
>> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/clipops/clipops.html) but it still doesn't 
>> seem to work yet. I can't find any working examples online.
>> The following code is what I have been using in TWC but it only seems to 
>> work in Internet Explorer but not in Tiddlywiki 5 because Javascript is 
>> stripped. I could spend time writing a widget for just IE but is it worth 
>> it?
>> Can anyone tell me what direction I should go? The alternative is 
>> painstakingly selecting text and hitting Ctrl + C or right click to copy, 
>> or in the case of touch screen by long pressing and messing with those 
>> selector arrows. 3 or more steps vs 1 step. I am trying to aim for 
>> something that copies to clipboard online, offline, server side, client 
>> side, mouse, touch screen, and browser independent. Is that to much to wish 
>> for?
>>
>> Copy
>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Transparent background for one tiddler

[Evolena]

Then you can look at the tc-modal classes in the vanilla stylesheet.
.tc-modal, .tc-modal-footer {
background-color: transparent;
}
can be a first step to achieve what you want.

However, I don't know how to assign another class to modals.

Le vendredi 24 juin 2016 17:48:09 UTC+2, FrD a écrit :
>
> Hi Matthew,
>
> The tiddler with the transparent background will be used for a kind of 
> lightbox (with the "tm-modal" message). So I'm not sure it's not outside 
> the story.
>
> Thanks anyway.
>
> FrD
>
> Le vendredi 24 juin 2016 17:28:00 UTC+2, Matthew Lauber a écrit :
>>
>> Tiddlers (in tw5, which I'm assuming you're using) do not have the title 
>> property set.  Not sure of the correct solution, but that's the cause of 
>> the problem.  
>>
>> One possible solution is to change the $:/core/ui/PageTemplate/story to 
>> special case the tiddler with the given title and wrap it in a 
>>
>> @@background-color: transparent;
>> {{transclude}}...
>> @@
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 11:01:22 AM UTC-4, FrD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'd like to have a transparent background for one precise tiddler : 
>>> MyTiddler.
>>> I've tried to put this in a stylesheet :
>>>
>>> div[title=MyTiddler]{
>>> background-color: transparent;
>>> }
>>>
>>>
>>> but no way, the background remains the same.
>>>
>>> What am I missing ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thansk for your help
>>>
>>> FrD
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Your TWederation! [The official TWederation brainstorm thread]

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Maybe that's how the SFT did it. With the SFT, you could make the content 
of another wiki temporarily available just as if it were part of your TW 
(except you couldn't write to the tiddlers). Then you could disconnect when 
you were done and your original TW would be back the way it was. 

Is the saver filter something that's easily available ?

Thanks,
Mark


On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 12:51:15 PM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> What do you mean 'currently it actually brings in everything that is 
> imported'? I am not sure how else you would import something. Do you mean 
> temporary tiddlers that the wiki can interact with but aren't actually 
> saved? Because that could be done pretty simply by making the widget use 
> some field to indicate that something was imported and then have the saver 
> ignore those tiddlers. It would just be a matter of creating a new import 
> type on the twederation side and editing the saver filter or whatever it is 
> called in your wiki.
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[tw] Re: Your TWederation! [The official TWederation brainstorm thread]

[Jed Carty]

What do you mean 'currently it actually brings in everything that is 
imported'? I am not sure how else you would import something. Do you mean 
temporary tiddlers that the wiki can interact with but aren't actually 
saved? Because that could be done pretty simply by making the widget use 
some field to indicate that something was imported and then have the saver 
ignore those tiddlers. It would just be a matter of creating a new import 
type on the twederation side and editing the saver filter or whatever it is 
called in your wiki.

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[tw] Substitution marker in hidden section

[Jay]

I would like to have a single tabset template with tab content based on a 
tiddler's title, which I thought I could do with a substitution marker as 
in the sample below. Apparently, the substitution marker isn't replaced in 
the hidden section. The tab name is correct ("Test Tab"), but its content 
is "$1," no replacement. Is there a way to do substitution in a hidden 
section? (Or alternatively to have the tab target pass along the value of 
$1 to another tiddler?) Thanks!

Template tiddler, named Tabs:
<>
/%
!content
Content: $1
!end
%/

Transcluding tiddler:
<>

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[tw] Re: Your TWederation! [The official TWederation brainstorm thread]

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I thought that SyncFileTiddler was a great feature available to TWC, and 
would like to see it available to TW5. It allowed you to "connect" another, 
possibly larger, TW file temporarily. So, for instance, if you were doing a 
report on Shakespeare, you might pull in a TW with his works and run 
searches. You wouldn't corrupt the Shakespeare data by accident, and you 
wouldn't have to hop back and forth between tabs.  When you were done, you 
could disconnect. This allowed you to keep your main TW's size low, while 
leveraging other data sets.

Maybe something like Jed's system could be used for TW5, but currently it 
actually brings in everything that is imported. If the plugin marked 
everything that was brought in (tagged it), then I suppose you could delete 
it in a batch process later. Still not as convenient as SFT.

Mark

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 4:55:40 AM UTC-7, Dragon Cotterill wrote:
>
> - this doesn't use a client-server architecture. Given the questions I 
>> have been asked this deserves to be said a few hundred more times.
>>
>
> This to me sound more like the old Groove Networks database system was 
> based. I feel that you really need to take a look at the Groove 
> architecture as it does have possible implications which parallels what you 
> are trying to achieve here.
>
> I kind of achieved something similar using TWC, when I created "worker" 
> wikis. Each worker had their own TWC installation, and I used the 
> SyncFileTiddlerPlugin ( 
> http://tiddlywiki.abego-software.de/#SyncFileTiddlerPlugin ) to export a 
> single tiddler which carried the actual work. This was replicated around 
> via DropBox into the central wiki (mine) where I could see the changes and 
> re-allocate the work out the the workers. It wasn't a true cross 
> installation setup as each worker only saw their own stuff.
>
> In fact you could exact mimic such a setup with the TWC 
> SharedTiddlersPlugin ( 
> http://yakovl.bplaced.net/TW/STP/STP.html#SharedTiddlersPluginInfo ) 
> simply by "including" the shared wikis of the other users in the network.
>
> But what you're trying to achieve goes far beyond this kind of system and 
> I wish you well in it's implementation.
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Transparent background for one tiddler

[FrD]

Hi Matthew,

The tiddler with the transparent background will be used for a kind of 
lightbox (with the "tm-modal" message). So I'm not sure it's not outside 
the story.

Thanks anyway.

FrD

Le vendredi 24 juin 2016 17:28:00 UTC+2, Matthew Lauber a écrit :
>
> Tiddlers (in tw5, which I'm assuming you're using) do not have the title 
> property set.  Not sure of the correct solution, but that's the cause of 
> the problem.  
>
> One possible solution is to change the $:/core/ui/PageTemplate/story to 
> special case the tiddler with the given title and wrap it in a 
>
> @@background-color: transparent;
> {{transclude}}...
> @@
>
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 11:01:22 AM UTC-4, FrD wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd like to have a transparent background for one precise tiddler : 
>> MyTiddler.
>> I've tried to put this in a stylesheet :
>>
>> div[title=MyTiddler]{
>> background-color: transparent;
>> }
>>
>>
>> but no way, the background remains the same.
>>
>> What am I missing ?
>>
>>
>> Thansk for your help
>>
>> FrD
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Transparent background for one tiddler

[FrD]

Hi Ton,

Thanks for your quick answer.
I was aware of this solution, but it seemed a bit overkill since only one 
tiddler is concerned.

Maybe as a last resort I'll use that.

FrD

Le vendredi 24 juin 2016 17:27:15 UTC+2, Ton Gerner a écrit :
>
> Hi FrD,
>
> See http://tiddlywiki.com/#How%20to%20apply%20custom%20styles%20by%20tag
>
> Tag MyTiddler with xxx
>
> and create a stylesheet tiddler with:
>
> .tc-tagged-xxx {
> background-color:transparent;
> }
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Transparent background for one tiddler

[Matthew Lauber]

Tiddlers (in tw5, which I'm assuming you're using) do not have the title 
property set.  Not sure of the correct solution, but that's the cause of 
the problem.  

One possible solution is to change the $:/core/ui/PageTemplate/story to 
special case the tiddler with the given title and wrap it in a 

@@background-color: transparent;
{{transclude}}...
@@


On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 11:01:22 AM UTC-4, FrD wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to have a transparent background for one precise tiddler : 
> MyTiddler.
> I've tried to put this in a stylesheet :
>
> div[title=MyTiddler]{
> background-color: transparent;
> }
>
>
> but no way, the background remains the same.
>
> What am I missing ?
>
>
> Thansk for your help
>
> FrD
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Transparent background for one tiddler

[Ton Gerner]

Hi FrD,

See http://tiddlywiki.com/#How%20to%20apply%20custom%20styles%20by%20tag

Tag MyTiddler with xxx

and create a stylesheet tiddler with:

.tc-tagged-xxx {
background-color:transparent;
}

Cheers,

Ton

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[tw] [TW5] Transparent background for one tiddler

[FrD]

Hi,

I'd like to have a transparent background for one precise tiddler : 
MyTiddler.
I've tried to put this in a stylesheet :

div[title=MyTiddler]{
background-color: transparent;
}


but no way, the background remains the same.

What am I missing ?


Thansk for your help

FrD

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[tw] Re: Your TWederation! [The official TWederation brainstorm thread]

[Jed Carty]

Yes, you load the wiki you want to fetch in a hidden iframe and then the 
plugin in that wiki creates a json object with the tiddlers returned by the 
filter you send and then uses postmessage to send the information to your 
wiki. All of the processing is done locally in your browser.

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Re: [tw] Re: Google Groups is a somewhat UNWIELDY instrument ....

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Hi Alex,

Perhaps the solution is Google Groups +, where the + is some tool we deploy 
to make sure our conversations remain useful into the future. It would be 
great if we could automate a process of archiving this group to our own 
searchable wiki (perhaps with something like IFTTT)

Regards,
Richard

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:45:26 PM UTC+10, AlexHough wrote:
>
> I think Google Group is a good muse for the TiddlyWiki project. TW is a 
> tool which fills the gaps between email and other sites.
>
>
> Alex
>
> On 24 June 2016 at 12:28, Josiah > wrote:
>
>> Ciao Alex
>>
>> I kinda reluctantly agree. Mainly because its there & used & "sort-of" 
>> okay, given the equal poorness of the main competition & the nightmare of 
>> any putative transfer. A point others have hammered home to me.
>>
>> However, its worth commenting that the things you are doing that make it 
>> usable for you sound like they are NOT native to GG. They are your informed 
>> adaptation to it. 
>>
>> The French list is lovely IMO, though they are a lower volume group. Bit 
>> it gives an idea how something decently organized can function. 
>> https://forum.tiddlywiki.fr
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Friday, 24 June 2016 12:56:29 UTC+2, AlexHough wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I vote that we remain with Google Groups.
>>>
>>> I read the posts though gmail. Each one gets filtered. 
>>>
>>> I can star the posts i like
>>> Using TiddlySnip I can make links to threads on my node.js TW
>>>
>>> For me the current set up is perfect.
>>>
>>> best wishes
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On 24 June 2016 at 11:05, Josiah  wrote:
>>>
 Salut Sylvain

 IMO, that is definitely better than Google with your Category system. 
 Its also great to see Tutorials built in.

 Best wishes
 Josiah

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>
> Hello,
>
> For french community, I run a Discourse instance (
> https://forum.tiddlywiki.fr) and I really like it.
> I've don't setting e-mail reply but i's possible.
> There is a wiki flag to convert a post thread.
>
> I think it's a good option to leave a Google Groups, but It cost a 
> server ;)
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[tw] Re: Your TWederation! [The official TWederation brainstorm thread]

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Hi Jed,

Can you help me to better understand the mechanism? When you pull from 
another wiki, are you pulling the whole HTML of that file and then 
filtering it to take what you want? Or how do you make it yield only the 
tiddlers you want? If I'm fetching from you, where does the plugin in your 
wiki run? On my machine after I've fetched your whole file?

Regards,
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Re: [tw] Re: Google Groups is a somewhat UNWIELDY instrument ....

[Alex Hough]

I think Google Group is a good muse for the TiddlyWiki project. TW is a
tool which fills the gaps between email and other sites.


Alex

On 24 June 2016 at 12:28, Josiah  wrote:

> Ciao Alex
>
> I kinda reluctantly agree. Mainly because its there & used & "sort-of"
> okay, given the equal poorness of the main competition & the nightmare of
> any putative transfer. A point others have hammered home to me.
>
> However, its worth commenting that the things you are doing that make it
> usable for you sound like they are NOT native to GG. They are your informed
> adaptation to it.
>
> The French list is lovely IMO, though they are a lower volume group. Bit
> it gives an idea how something decently organized can function.
> https://forum.tiddlywiki.fr
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Friday, 24 June 2016 12:56:29 UTC+2, AlexHough wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I vote that we remain with Google Groups.
>>
>> I read the posts though gmail. Each one gets filtered.
>>
>> I can star the posts i like
>> Using TiddlySnip I can make links to threads on my node.js TW
>>
>> For me the current set up is perfect.
>>
>> best wishes
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 24 June 2016 at 11:05, Josiah  wrote:
>>
>>> Salut Sylvain
>>>
>>> IMO, that is definitely better than Google with your Category system.
>>> Its also great to see Tutorials built in.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>> On Friday, 24 June 2016 11:28:34 UTC+2, Sylvain Naudin wrote:

 Hello,

 For french community, I run a Discourse instance (
 https://forum.tiddlywiki.fr) and I really like it.
 I've don't setting e-mail reply but i's possible.
 There is a wiki flag to convert a post thread.

 I think it's a good option to leave a Google Groups, but It cost a
 server ;)

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[tw] Re: Your TWederation! [The official TWederation brainstorm thread]

[Dragon Cotterill]

>
> - this doesn't use a client-server architecture. Given the questions I 
> have been asked this deserves to be said a few hundred more times.
>

This to me sound more like the old Groove Networks database system was 
based. I feel that you really need to take a look at the Groove 
architecture as it does have possible implications which parallels what you 
are trying to achieve here.

I kind of achieved something similar using TWC, when I created "worker" 
wikis. Each worker had their own TWC installation, and I used the 
SyncFileTiddlerPlugin ( 
http://tiddlywiki.abego-software.de/#SyncFileTiddlerPlugin ) to export a 
single tiddler which carried the actual work. This was replicated around 
via DropBox into the central wiki (mine) where I could see the changes and 
re-allocate the work out the the workers. It wasn't a true cross 
installation setup as each worker only saw their own stuff.

In fact you could exact mimic such a setup with the TWC 
SharedTiddlersPlugin ( 
http://yakovl.bplaced.net/TW/STP/STP.html#SharedTiddlersPluginInfo ) simply 
by "including" the shared wikis of the other users in the network.

But what you're trying to achieve goes far beyond this kind of system and I 
wish you well in it's implementation.

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Re: [tw] Re: Google Groups is a somewhat UNWIELDY instrument ....

[Josiah]

Ciao Alex

I kinda reluctantly agree. Mainly because its there & used & "sort-of" 
okay, given the equal poorness of the main competition & the nightmare of 
any putative transfer. A point others have hammered home to me.

However, its worth commenting that the things you are doing that make it 
usable for you sound like they are NOT native to GG. They are your informed 
adaptation to it. 

The French list is lovely IMO, though they are a lower volume group. Bit it 
gives an idea how something decently organized can function. 
https://forum.tiddlywiki.fr

Best wishes
Josiah

On Friday, 24 June 2016 12:56:29 UTC+2, AlexHough wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I vote that we remain with Google Groups.
>
> I read the posts though gmail. Each one gets filtered. 
>
> I can star the posts i like
> Using TiddlySnip I can make links to threads on my node.js TW
>
> For me the current set up is perfect.
>
> best wishes
>
> Alex
>
> On 24 June 2016 at 11:05, Josiah > wrote:
>
>> Salut Sylvain
>>
>> IMO, that is definitely better than Google with your Category system. Its 
>> also great to see Tutorials built in.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Friday, 24 June 2016 11:28:34 UTC+2, Sylvain Naudin wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> For french community, I run a Discourse instance (
>>> https://forum.tiddlywiki.fr) and I really like it.
>>> I've don't setting e-mail reply but i's possible.
>>> There is a wiki flag to convert a post thread.
>>>
>>> I think it's a good option to leave a Google Groups, but It cost a 
>>> server ;)
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Google Groups is a somewhat UNWIELDY instrument ....

[Alex Hough]

Hi All,

I vote that we remain with Google Groups.

I read the posts though gmail. Each one gets filtered.

I can star the posts i like
Using TiddlySnip I can make links to threads on my node.js TW

For me the current set up is perfect.

best wishes

Alex

On 24 June 2016 at 11:05, Josiah  wrote:

> Salut Sylvain
>
> IMO, that is definitely better than Google with your Category system. Its
> also great to see Tutorials built in.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Friday, 24 June 2016 11:28:34 UTC+2, Sylvain Naudin wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> For french community, I run a Discourse instance (
>> https://forum.tiddlywiki.fr) and I really like it.
>> I've don't setting e-mail reply but i's possible.
>> There is a wiki flag to convert a post thread.
>>
>> I think it's a good option to leave a Google Groups, but It cost a server
>> ;)
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[tw] Re: Your TWederation! [The official TWederation brainstorm thread]

[Jed Carty]

I may regret this but since people seem to have a lot of misconceptions 
about what twederation is and what currently exists I am going to try to 
explain.

- this doesn't use a client-server architecture. This is important. There 
are no special nodes so every wiki is treated the same.
- everything functions by fetching things from other wikis. There is no way 
to push anything to another wiki. There is no way to control anything on 
another wiki. The owner of a wiki has complete control of what happens on 
their wiki.
- this doesn't use a client-server architecture. Given the questions I have 
been asked this deserves to be said a few hundred more times.
- the wiki you wish to fetch things from has to allow you to do it. This 
means that they have to have the plugin as well in order for the fetching 
to work. If you want to get something from a wiki that doesn't have the 
plugin you have to go to the wiki and import by drag and drop like you 
normally would.
- all of this currently works in almost every use case (yes, it can work in 
dropbox), I will talk about the problems below.
- you only talk to one other wiki at a time.  There is no server so you 
have to make connections to each wiki individually.
- you can't push anything to another wiki, there is no server and your wiki 
doesn't have write permissions on any other wiki
- you don't need to have your wiki hosted online to fetch from a wiki that 
is hosted online, so you can pull content from an online wiki onto a wiki 
stored locally
- I have not had any trouble using multiple local wikis stored on my 
harddrive, I have been able to pull content from one file uri to another 
file uri

At it's base there is a widget that allows one wiki to fetch tiddlers from 
another wiki based on wikitext filters, it does require some changes to the 
core. This widget is an extension of how the plugin library works and is 
set up so that you don't have to build a specific edition to serve plugins 
from a plugin library, it could be a normal wiki and would work just fine.
Everything else is wikitext applications built on top of that.

Me and Mat are working on using this to create a loosely connected 
blogging/social network. It is currently unclear if 'TWederation' refers 
only to the network of connected wikis or also to the enabling techniques.

For the twederation edition that we have been showing off everything works 
fine if you don't try to fetch things from an http server when you have 
loaded your wiki from an https server (see below about hosting on dropbox). 
The 'fetch all comments' buttons on blog posts work inconsistently because 
it tries to fetch from multiple wikis at the same time and there are 
collisions when receiving responses so not everything is correctly 
received. I have a solution to this that I need to implement. But, aside 
from that problem, the edition works as expected. This doesn't mean that it 
is easy to use or that there is enough documentation or that my interface 
is usable or anything else, just that the development is to the point where 
we are working on the application instead of the enabling technology.

Now, there have been a lot of questions about http-vs-https and most of 
them have missed what the problem is. The problem is that when you load a 
site on an https server it is normally prevented from loading content from 
a site on a non-https server. Which means if you open a wiki on an https 
server and try to fetch content from a wiki on an http server it won't 
work. That is it. It is a big problem in some cases, but that is the extent 
of the problem. If you are on an http server you can fetch things from an 
https server without any trouble. If you are on an https server you can 
fetch things from another https server without any trouble. The biggest 
place the http-vs-https problem arises is hosting on dropbox. This isn't as 
big a problem as I thought at first.

http-vs-https on dropbox:

If you are hosting your wiki on dropbox than you have access to the file. 
You can't save your wiki when you open it from the dropbox url anyway, and 
other people can access your wiki regardless of what type of server they 
are using. So if you are using dropbox open your wiki locally as a file and 
other people will use the dropbox url to access it.

I am sure I have missed a lot, but that is a brief explanation of what is 
going on.

Richard,

For security it is as secure as anything else tiddlywiki does online. Which 
is to say it isn't really. There are some things we can do to work on this 
but it isn't really my concern at the moment.
As far as scalability goes I never envisioned this as something with 
thousands of users in one network, or even hundreds really. TWederation 
isn't meant to be facebook, the point is that you aren't connected to 
anyone who you don't want to be connected to.

While I am excited about ipfs and agree that it or something like it should 
be (and hopefully will be) how the web functions in the 

[tw] Re: Google Groups is a somewhat UNWIELDY instrument ....

[Josiah]

Salut Sylvain

IMO, that is definitely better than Google with your Category system. Its 
also great to see Tutorials built in.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Friday, 24 June 2016 11:28:34 UTC+2, Sylvain Naudin wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> For french community, I run a Discourse instance (
> https://forum.tiddlywiki.fr) and I really like it.
> I've don't setting e-mail reply but i's possible.
> There is a wiki flag to convert a post thread.
>
> I think it's a good option to leave a Google Groups, but It cost a server 
> ;)
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki European Meetup 2016

[Dragon Cotterill]

I am curious as to what the meetup will consist of. Having done various 
Hackathon's in the past (most notably the London Dropbox Hackathon) I am 
wondering if it would be anything like that. Or will it more more of a 
discussion about the possibilities of TW?

Unfortunately I can only attend on the Saturday. But I would like to know 
if there is anything I can prepare before hand.

Regards,

Dragon.

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[tw] Re: Your TWederation! [The official TWederation brainstorm thread]

[Josiah]

Ciao Mat

I didn't mean to make it look in my last that I wasn't thinking about 
Twederation.

I think it would help me if you could say more about what it ALLOWS, rather 
than how it works, which I seen mostly. I mean what CONTENT does it allow? 
Is it threaded? What's the main purposes?

Best wishes
Josiah

On Friday, 24 June 2016 11:17:55 UTC+2, Josiah wrote:
>
> Ciao Mat & RichardWS
>
> One thing that seems to unite you is understanding that we could 
> communicate better without needing any of the current server defined 
> systems.
>
> The very fact TW is not server dependent I absolutely believe is its 
> strength. The strong adherence to that model pushes the edge. The challenge 
> being HOW to allow better communication without falling into all the old 
> issues.
>
> TW is currently natively week on communication. I don't think it 
> inherently has to stay that way. But the task is difficult in that there 
> are not that many models of what to do and the resource base for sorting 
> through that is limited.
>
> IPFS I took look at. I am not a techie, but I got the general idea. Its 
> looks like it has promise, though no instantiation I could find.
>
> In trying to find my way about in the TW world of how to connect up & 
> network I seen a lot of things that look like kludges, mainly embedded 
> Google bits. 
>
> I'm sure YOU are thinking on the right edges.
>
> Josiah 
>
> On Friday, 24 June 2016 05:27:02 UTC+2, RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mat,
>>
>> I'm sort of torn on this issue. On the one hand, I want to support the 
>> development efforts of other members of the community and I enjoy thinking 
>> about technical/design issues too. I can fully understand why you would 
>> want to do this.
>>
>> On the other hand, I think there is probably a better path to pursue 
>> towards these goals, but it's currently much (much, much?) more technically 
>> abstract. I'm talking about ipfs, which has been recently mentioned by 
>> Jeremy also.
>>
>> I might be totally wrong about this, but my reason for thinking it is 
>> that what you're attempting to do is fundamentally hard. Even if you get it 
>> to work, I don't think it will ever be secure or scalable. I'm happy to 
>> discuss why this might be wrong, though.
>>
>> I think what ipfs gives us, amongst much else, is the notion of 
>> serverless publishing because everything is essentially published out onto 
>> one big filing system, distributed across the network. My conjecture is 
>> that this basically solves the hard problems of federation. 
>>
>> It is also my belief that TW may prove to be a uniquely interesting tool 
>> in the context of ipfs in general - it may well turn out that we are 
>> sitting on a 'killer app' for a platform that is yet to be fully built.
>>
>> I hope this doesn't sound negative. It may well be that you will learn 
>> valuable lessons by trying to get 'twederation' to work over http or I 
>> might be altogether wrong and it might be a roaring success, but I hope 
>> you'll take the time to look at ipfs if you haven't already. In my opinion, 
>> this technology or something similar will be the next evolution of the web.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Google Groups is a somewhat UNWIELDY instrument ....

[Sylvain Naudin]

Hello,

For french community, I run a Discourse instance 
(https://forum.tiddlywiki.fr) and I really like it.
I've don't setting e-mail reply but i's possible.
There is a wiki flag to convert a post thread.

I think it's a good option to leave a Google Groups, but It cost a server ;)

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[tw] Re: Your TWederation! [The official TWederation brainstorm thread]

[Josiah]

Ciao Mat & RichardWS

One thing that seems to unite you is understanding that we could 
communicate better without needing any of the current server defined 
systems.

The very fact TW is not server dependent I absolutely believe is its 
strength. The strong adherence to that model pushes the edge. The challenge 
being HOW to allow better communication without falling into all the old 
issues.

TW is currently natively week on communication. I don't think it inherently 
has to stay that way. But the task is difficult in that there are not that 
many models of what to do and the resource base for sorting through that is 
limited.

IPFS I took look at. I am not a techie, but I got the general idea. Its 
looks like it has promise, though no instantiation I could find.

In trying to find my way about in the TW world of how to connect up & 
network I seen a lot of things that look like kludges, mainly embedded 
Google bits. 

I'm sure YOU are thinking on the right edges.

Josiah 

On Friday, 24 June 2016 05:27:02 UTC+2, RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>
> Hi Mat,
>
> I'm sort of torn on this issue. On the one hand, I want to support the 
> development efforts of other members of the community and I enjoy thinking 
> about technical/design issues too. I can fully understand why you would 
> want to do this.
>
> On the other hand, I think there is probably a better path to pursue 
> towards these goals, but it's currently much (much, much?) more technically 
> abstract. I'm talking about ipfs, which has been recently mentioned by 
> Jeremy also.
>
> I might be totally wrong about this, but my reason for thinking it is that 
> what you're attempting to do is fundamentally hard. Even if you get it to 
> work, I don't think it will ever be secure or scalable. I'm happy to 
> discuss why this might be wrong, though.
>
> I think what ipfs gives us, amongst much else, is the notion of serverless 
> publishing because everything is essentially published out onto one big 
> filing system, distributed across the network. My conjecture is that this 
> basically solves the hard problems of federation. 
>
> It is also my belief that TW may prove to be a uniquely interesting tool 
> in the context of ipfs in general - it may well turn out that we are 
> sitting on a 'killer app' for a platform that is yet to be fully built.
>
> I hope this doesn't sound negative. It may well be that you will learn 
> valuable lessons by trying to get 'twederation' to work over http or I 
> might be altogether wrong and it might be a roaring success, but I hope 
> you'll take the time to look at ipfs if you haven't already. In my opinion, 
> this technology or something similar will be the next evolution of the web.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>

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