date:20190718

As is evident from your snapshot you are still using tiddlydesktops backstage. 
It is not for this use. Stop doing it and follow the instructions already 
shared on building your own wiki. With all due respect you are doing it wrong 
and you can not expect effective support if you are not following the standard 
practice.

I know no other way to say this but directly. I explained its not your fault 
you have taken a wrong path, but you have.

My offer still stands to help you with a screen share if you give me control or 
I do a presentation for you.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: List type attribute in wiki text

This CSS matches up with your sample text, if I understand it correctly. It 
goes to 3 levels. You can work out other levels if necessary.


div[data-tags~=Lists] > div >  ul > li {list-style-type:  lower-alpha }
div[data-tags~=Lists] > div >  ul > li > ul > li {list-style-type:  
lower-roman }
div[data-tags~=Lists] > div >  ul > li > ul > li > ul > li 
{list-style-type:  upper-alpha }



On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:48:42 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>
> I am making some notes from some legal text. I am taking notes in easy and 
> concise everyday english. I try to follow the numbering, but I am not too 
> strict about. Usually the pattern is restricted to 2 level, with numbers 
> outside and small case alphabets inside. But sometimes there are deeper 
> levels as is shown in a screenshot I have attached with this post.
>
> I have attached a screenshot. Please have a look. Thanks.
>
>
> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:28:24 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> You can assign different styles for different levels, though I'm not sure 
>> you get as many choices as with just the tags.
>>
>> If you explain what you want in more detail, there are some people here 
>> who are really good with CSS.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:25:51 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Mark. But my lists are varied and some are multi level. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:

 You could make a stylesheet tiddler like

 div[data-tags~=Lists] ul li {list-style-type:  lower-alpha }

 This assumes you have your tiddler tagged "Lists", but of course you 
 might use some other tag. You would want to use some
 sort of tag because otherwise *everything* that is in a list will use 
 lower-alpha. 


 On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:30:03 AM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>
> Is there a way to define the 'type' attribute of the list in wiki 
> text. In my notes these days, I frequently type="a" lists.
>


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[tw5] Re: HTML to wiki text

I think it would be a good idea but its kind of ironic since wiki text is 
rendered as html. The biggest issue is when the html contains onclick or java 
functions that we use widgets for. 

I would think a browser plugin that can copy html as text then import or paste 
that, then you apply wiki text may be the first approach.

Keep in mind many html tags work as is in wiki text. And a parser that converts 
that eg heading to ! Should be easy.

Perhaps you can find a tool like copy html to markdown or another format that 
tiddlywiki can be set to recognise.

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[tw5] I'm still here, and so is TiddlyServer

Arlen,

Thanks for the update. I for one use tiddlyserver in my work flow every day and 
trust my key wiki to it. Opening it in a chrome browser application icon, but 
as a way to access any of my other wikis 
>From the index of wikis in Firefox.

I do not have any needed fixes or extensions but have some ideas for future 
extensions. Good work on this very reliable solution. 

Regards
Tony

I will say no more unless you open an invite for possible enhancements 

Regards
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[tw5] Re: Search your wiki from Google Sheets

Ah. Okay I got. You are sending the search through url.  Thanks.

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 6:15:55 PM UTC-7, A Gloom wrote:
>
> I meant, I could not figure out which cell to input the search term in, 
>> and then press which button ?
>>
>
>
> No problem : )  My instructions were brief.
>
> I just noticed the worksheet reverted to white background which ruined the 
> "text entry" cells borders-- did you get a white background sheet? (sorry, 
> I can't use white-- if it wasn't for my invered color theme, I wouldn't  be 
> using a computer any longer)
>
> Onve I get the sheet back to its intended color scheme:
> The white bordered boxes underneath the text "ENTER SEARCH TERM..."are 
> plain old cells where you enter data in the usual GSheets way- click the 
> box and type (or hit enter and type) then hit enter to get out of that 
> field and set it.  
>
> No buttons to push-- 2 cells to the right of the "text entry" cell you 
> will see an URL-- move your mouse cursor over it and a pop-up with a link 
> will appear-- just click on it.
>
>  I could probably make the text entry cells actual edit fields-- I know 
> GSheets support drop down menu's in cells
>
> This uses the same concepts as TW and macros-- constructing from pieces 
> and being able to interject pieces in through typed or pasted cells-- I 
> build mass import tiddlers, html pages and svg's using these concepts.
>

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[tw5] Re: HTML to wiki text



On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 6:05:03 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> That would be interesting.
>
> You do know that you can use html as-is in tiddlers, right?
>
> <:-)
>

I do. Just was curious. 

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[tw5] I'm still here, and so is TiddlyServer

2019-07-18 Thread Arlen Beiler

Hi everyone,

just wanted to let you know I haven't disappeared. I'm taking a few weeks
break as I've inserted myself back into America, but I plan to wrap up the
TiddlyServer 2.1 update, doing my best to make sure it works flawlessly.
I'll be deferring some of the more ambitious features, such as host header
routing, for a future release, but I'm still planning to finish it. Maybe
I'll even add a settings page if I can figure out a good layout and theme
for it. I'm still around. Hopefully soon commits will start happening
again, and I might dust off some of my (very) ambitious PRs in the
TiddlyWiki repo and see how things are going.

Just letting you know.
Arlen

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[tw5] Re: Search your wiki from Google Sheets

2019-07-18 Thread A Gloom


>
> I meant, I could not figure out which cell to input the search term in, 
> and then press which button ?
>


No problem : )  My instructions were brief.

I just noticed the worksheet reverted to white background which ruined the 
"text entry" cells borders-- did you get a white background sheet? (sorry, 
I can't use white-- if it wasn't for my invered color theme, I wouldn't  be 
using a computer any longer)

Onve I get the sheet back to its intended color scheme:
The white bordered boxes underneath the text "ENTER SEARCH TERM..."are 
plain old cells where you enter data in the usual GSheets way- click the 
box and type (or hit enter and type) then hit enter to get out of that 
field and set it.  

No buttons to push-- 2 cells to the right of the "text entry" cell you will 
see an URL-- move your mouse cursor over it and a pop-up with a link will 
appear-- just click on it.

 I could probably make the text entry cells actual edit fields-- I know 
GSheets support drop down menu's in cells

This uses the same concepts as TW and macros-- constructing from pieces and 
being able to interject pieces in through typed or pasted cells-- I build 
mass import tiddlers, html pages and svg's using these concepts.

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[tw5] Re: HTML to wiki text

2019-07-18 Thread Mat

That would be interesting.

You do know that you can use html as-is in tiddlers, right?

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Fields as Lists of Tags

Mark,

We should call you* St. Mark of Tiddlywiki,* cause you provide all the
helps that are belong to you.

The Subfilter is EXACTLY what I wanted, and it worked perfectly. EXACTLY
PERFECTLY!!

THANK YOU!

How I tested:

1. test tiddler, with tags ack, bll, haa, woo, kra, and yay
2. ignore tiddler, with contents:

!! the list of these things
ack
bll

kra

3. changed $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags like this:

filter="[all[current]tags[]
*!subfilter{ignore}sort[title]]"*

*4. and voila - only see haa woo and yay on the test tiddler*




On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 2:33 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> You could insert the "subfilter" operator. Then use transclusion
> subfilter{MyTiddlerWithAVeryLongFilter} and change the contents of
> MyTiddlerWithAVeryLongFilter as you needed on the fly.
>
> If there's a limit to filter run size, I haven't hit it yet ;-)
>
> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 1:28:08 PM UTC-7, Aidan Grey wrote:
>>
>>
>> After some thought and digging, a better idea.
>>
>> I can go into $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags and change the filter list to
>> prevent certain tags / kinds of tags from showing in the tag wrapper.
>> They'll still be on the tiddler, just not shown.
>>
>> Unfortunately, that would be a giant list - are there limits on how large
>> a filter can be? Is there a way to transclude the tag list or something?
>>
>> If I need to see them again - I can either restore the original filter or
>> go to the tiddler manager and edit from there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 10:43:38 AM UTC-6, Aidan Grey wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone ELI5* how to use / work with fields as lists of tags? What
>>> are the limitations and methods for using them?
>>>
>>> I understand that you can use buttons to edit the list, thanks to the
>>> listops widget (I think it's a widget), but I don't understand how it all
>>> goes together. Is it really just create a field and put items in it, like
>>> this?
>>>
>>> partofspeech: N:IN V:Tr22 V:Di12 Part:Case
>>>
>>> where V:Tr22 is a whole "tag" that I can subject to filters like
>>> [prefix[V:Tr], [suffix[22], and so forth?
>>>
>>> I'm particularly interested because I have fields in a dictionary TW
>>> that really should have multiple items, like part of speech above. A word
>>> can be a noun, several kinds of verbs, and an adverb, for example, and
>>> ideally, I'd like to be able to tag them all in there, filter on the tags
>>> in the field, etc. In other words, treat them just like a list. They
>>> wouldn't change a lot and I don't really need the tags visible since
>>> they're in the dictionary entry. I just need them for filtering.
>>>
>>> I also think using fields this way might be a way to solve another issue
>>> - some tags I don't want visible on certain kinds of tiddlers, but the
>>> solutions I've seen so far have been ... aesthetically unappealing to me
>>> ($:/ will work for some, but not all of them). Multicol dropdowns are
>>> great, but when I have literally 100 tags, it's impossible.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Aidan
>>>
>>> * just in case, ELI5 = Explain Like I'm 5
>>>
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[tw5] Re: List type attribute in wiki text

You can assign different styles for different levels, though I'm not sure 
you get as many choices as with just the tags.

If you explain what you want in more detail, there are some people here who 
are really good with CSS.


On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:25:51 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark. But my lists are varied and some are multi level. 
>
> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> You could make a stylesheet tiddler like
>>
>> div[data-tags~=Lists] ul li {list-style-type:  lower-alpha }
>>
>> This assumes you have your tiddler tagged "Lists", but of course you 
>> might use some other tag. You would want to use some
>> sort of tag because otherwise *everything* that is in a list will use 
>> lower-alpha. 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:30:03 AM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a way to define the 'type' attribute of the list in wiki text. 
>>> In my notes these days, I frequently type="a" lists.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: List type attribute in wiki text

Thanks Mark. But my lists are varied and some are multi level. 

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> You could make a stylesheet tiddler like
>
> div[data-tags~=Lists] ul li {list-style-type:  lower-alpha }
>
> This assumes you have your tiddler tagged "Lists", but of course you might 
> use some other tag. You would want to use some
> sort of tag because otherwise *everything* that is in a list will use 
> lower-alpha. 
>
>
> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:30:03 AM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to define the 'type' attribute of the list in wiki text. 
>> In my notes these days, I frequently type="a" lists.
>>
>

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[tw5] HTML to wiki text

Does anybody know of any convertor, online or a plugin which converts HTML 
to wikitext? I found some but they were not for tiddlywiki wikitext.

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Re: [tw5] TOC hierarchy structuring

For custom sorts see also sortby operator.

Tony

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Re: [tw5] Fields as Lists of Tags

Thanks Tony. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to find it anywhere. Do you have a
link, or can you provide a copy?

On Thursday, July 18, 2019, TonyM  wrote:

> Quicky
>
> Mario's alt tags plugin provides the ability to have multiple tag fields
> almost as rich as the standard tags field. Sounds like an ideal fit for
> this use case.
>
> Tony
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[tw5] Re: Fields as Lists of Tags

Quicky

Mario's alt tags plugin provides the ability to have multiple tag fields almost 
as rich as the standard tags field. Sounds like an ideal fit for this use case. 

Tony

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[tw5] Re: A much much better alternative to my todo plugin

The data tiddler method without "polluting" the tag or even tiddler names, and 
not using the text field is why I grabbed it right away for application on a 
wiki I am developing for others. I can have a to do list for each tiddler under 
development, and hide them with a click.

May be its niche but its a niche I need.

Regards
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[tw5] Re: Search your wiki from Google Sheets

I meant, I could not figure out which cell to input the search term in, and 
then press which button ?

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 12:04:36 AM UTC-7, A Gloom wrote:
>
> I could not understand how to make it work.
>>
>
> no problem : ) make it work as in how to use the wotking copy?  or 
> duplicating it on another sheet?
>
>
> I can explain it further-- possibly annotate the cells better
>
> I added a create new tiddler section, using the behavior of TW that if you 
> send it a nonexisting tiddler permalink, it will create a missing tiddler 
> placeholder
>
> BTW: anyone should be able to "save a copy" (in file menu) to their 
> GDrives so they can have their own copy (i believe it will work) 
>

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[tw5] Re: A much much better alternative to my todo plugin

2019-07-18 Thread George Goodman

I've not been able to find any documentation on JD's todo implementation. 
If anyone has a pointer, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, I'll dive in and let 
the code speak for itself. 

george g. 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 10:45:13 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> I just realized JD has a much much better todo list plugin! I have not 
> seen he has announced it before!
> By the way he has a public todo here!
>
> http://j.d.todo.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> We know JD for his great work on TW theme and several other brilliant 
> plugins!
>
> So, I stopped further development on my Tiny Todolist!
>
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: List type attribute in wiki text

You could make a stylesheet tiddler like

div[data-tags~=Lists] ul li {list-style-type:  lower-alpha }

This assumes you have your tiddler tagged "Lists", but of course you might 
use some other tag. You would want to use some
sort of tag because otherwise *everything* that is in a list will use 
lower-alpha. 


On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:30:03 AM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>
> Is there a way to define the 'type' attribute of the list in wiki text. In 
> my notes these days, I frequently type="a" lists.
>

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[tw5] Re: Saving in chrome

2019-07-18 Thread A Sklpns

BJ, friends,

thank you-and sorry for not responding for so long, got caught up with 
exams etc 
Haven't tried the savetiddlers extension as I use both TWC and TW5 

With firefox the "file-backups" Extension for Firefox by pmario
(https://pmario.github.io/file-backups/) saves both with no problem at 
all!  

Maybe some of our friends over at the TWC group will take on the TWC 
bug-sadly I am not a 
programmer, so...

Thank you
sklpns


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[tw5] Re: Fields as Lists of Tags

HHOLY MOLY!!

 I think that's it!! Thank you!!

I will let you know what I find when I try to implement / test. 

In the meantime, your other questions:

Yes --  those are two different words that happen to share a similar 
> sound.. You could use the caption or description field so that they could 
> share the title "Go" for sorting and searching.

They'll get superscripts, which is how most dictionaries treat homophones 
like this.

Actually Go 1 would need to be split into each meaning. (Go (bodily 
> function), Go (movement), Go (turn)...) One for each entry in a good 
> dictionary -- assuming that you will want to use the data in some manner.

Generally, dictionaries list meanings, but don't separate them. All the 
meanings of go (NOT the game), for example, are generally listed in one 
entry: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/go

A sample of my current template, modeled on teanglann.ie (I speak Irish):

# ''tree'' (N:AS)
#* ~ ''mera'': tree chosen for a treehouse
#* ~ ''daunhe'': tree inhabited by giant spiders
# ''family'' (N:CO)
#* ~ ''wai'': extended family; specifically refers to all blood relatives 
descended from a single great-grandmother 
# ''rope ladder'' (N:LF)

What outputs do you want?  How do you expect to use this data?

The thing is I think tags would be easier, but I don't wanna see all of 
them. Just in my short example above, there would be the following tags, if 
I did it the atomic way tag-wise: 

N AS CO LF  2 20500 6 60600 60601 3 32100 32160 5 51800 
51824 ... 

and that's not even all of them. That's a super simplified example, and all 
are nouns. There are words with TONS of meanings (like English "do"), that 
fall into a zillion semantic domains. Having those tagged is good, but 
seeing a huge list of number is not awesome.

If you could hide tags, what tags would you hide?

all the semantic domain tags (hundreds depending on how detailed I get - 
and I don't plan to get super detailed, but already have ~200), all the 
part of speech tags (50-100), various markers (past tense, plural, etc. 
~200)

> Hmm. Will your polysynthetic language have a single word that indicates 
> all those things? 

Ah, here's the fun part about polysynthetic langs! :) 

So yeah, because a polysynthetic word is built up from lots of pieces, some 
of which are mandatory, the "parts" that I'm creating aren't words most of 
the time. No more than -ed is a word. I mean, you can't just say "I ed the 
other day"- there's got to be a verb in there. I walked or I barfed or 
whatever. 

In this language, verbs of handling, like pick up or set or throw, all 
require a class marker which comes before the verb part. The verb for 
"picking up a container of something" is a different word in a totally 
different place in the dictionary than the verb that means "pick up a 
squirmy puppy", and a sleeping puppy is a different word too!

That example with the "killing it for him" is a couple pieces , built on 
what would be under the verb "stab", which would be a not-transparent 
conglomeration of "make die with a knife".  An example: 

die : bash  >>  make die : tosh  >>   make die with a knife : girosh   >>  
 I stabbed it : ngirotse

All that happened by perfectly regular, but not obvious, sound changes. 
Dang I love polysynthesis :) 

Bash (die V:In2), Tosh (kill V:Tr11), Girosh (stab V:Tr11) are all related, 
but different words.

Are these words you will be constructing? Or are you trying to classify 
> existing words?

Yes. I am constructing them ( a la Esperanto / Klingon / Na'vi / Dothraki / 
Elvish / Etc.). 

Yes, I need to classify existing words. And the semantic domain stuff helps 
- easier to think of / create all the words related to frogs all/mostly at 
once.

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 2:33:35 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> You could insert the "subfilter" operator. Then use transclusion 
> subfilter{MyTiddlerWithAVeryLongFilter} and change the contents of 
> MyTiddlerWithAVeryLongFilter as you needed on the fly.
>
> If there's a limit to filter run size, I haven't hit it yet ;-)
>
> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 1:28:08 PM UTC-7, Aidan Grey wrote:
>>
>>
>> After some thought and digging, a better idea.
>>
>> I can go into $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags and change the filter list to 
>> prevent certain tags / kinds of tags from showing in the tag wrapper. 
>> They'll still be on the tiddler, just not shown. 
>>
>> Unfortunately, that would be a giant list - are there limits on how large 
>> a filter can be? Is there a way to transclude the tag list or something?
>>
>> If I need to see them again - I can either restore the original filter or 
>> go to the tiddler manager and edit from there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 10:43:38 AM UTC-6, Aidan Grey wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone ELI5* how to use / work with fields as lists of tags? What 
>>> are the limitations and methods for using them?
>>>
>>> I understand that you can use buttons to ed

[tw5] Re: A much much better alternative to my todo plugin

2019-07-18 Thread Watt

It's a data-tiddler driven beast of a todolist Mohammad!
 
With a framework that can be applied to many different applications -  diary, 
bird watching logger, run keeper, habit loop logger, geolocation logger, 
anything time based that doesn't really need a full tiddler for each event. As 
h0p3 suggested it would make a good frontend for a calendar.
 
Some things are so trivial they only need to be recorded with a line but didn't 
you develop a mechanism to convert index:value pairs into tiddlers for your 
Trashcan app? Maybe you could incorporate that as an option so that we have the 
best of both worlds?

Todolist may be 'done' but I'm sure you're going to find new ways to reuse its 
efficient mechanisms Mohammad, keep them coming!

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[tw5] Re: Fields as Lists of Tags

You could insert the "subfilter" operator. Then use transclusion 
subfilter{MyTiddlerWithAVeryLongFilter} and change the contents of 
MyTiddlerWithAVeryLongFilter as you needed on the fly.

If there's a limit to filter run size, I haven't hit it yet ;-)

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 1:28:08 PM UTC-7, Aidan Grey wrote:
>
>
> After some thought and digging, a better idea.
>
> I can go into $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags and change the filter list to 
> prevent certain tags / kinds of tags from showing in the tag wrapper. 
> They'll still be on the tiddler, just not shown. 
>
> Unfortunately, that would be a giant list - are there limits on how large 
> a filter can be? Is there a way to transclude the tag list or something?
>
> If I need to see them again - I can either restore the original filter or 
> go to the tiddler manager and edit from there.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 10:43:38 AM UTC-6, Aidan Grey wrote:
>>
>> Can someone ELI5* how to use / work with fields as lists of tags? What 
>> are the limitations and methods for using them?
>>
>> I understand that you can use buttons to edit the list, thanks to the 
>> listops widget (I think it's a widget), but I don't understand how it all 
>> goes together. Is it really just create a field and put items in it, like 
>> this?
>>
>> partofspeech: N:IN V:Tr22 V:Di12 Part:Case
>>
>> where V:Tr22 is a whole "tag" that I can subject to filters like 
>> [prefix[V:Tr], [suffix[22], and so forth?
>>
>> I'm particularly interested because I have fields in a dictionary TW that 
>> really should have multiple items, like part of speech above. A word can be 
>> a noun, several kinds of verbs, and an adverb, for example, and ideally, 
>> I'd like to be able to tag them all in there, filter on the tags in the 
>> field, etc. In other words, treat them just like a list. They wouldn't 
>> change a lot and I don't really need the tags visible since they're in the 
>> dictionary entry. I just need them for filtering.
>>
>> I also think using fields this way might be a way to solve another issue 
>> - some tags I don't want visible on certain kinds of tiddlers, but the 
>> solutions I've seen so far have been ... aesthetically unappealing to me 
>> ($:/ will work for some, but not all of them). Multicol dropdowns are 
>> great, but when I have literally 100 tags, it's impossible.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Aidan
>>
>> * just in case, ELI5 = Explain Like I'm 5
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Fields as Lists of Tags



On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 12:19:51 PM UTC-7, Aidan Grey wrote:
>
>
> As to atomization - I already tried that and got halfway in before I 
> realized it wouldn't work for me. It gets complicated:
>
> Go 1
> 1. Intransitive Verb: move; attack; be known; empty the bladder or bowels
> 2. Transitive Verb: afford; proceed along
> 3. Noun: act of going; a turn
> 4. Adjective: functioning properly and ready (all systems go)
>
> Go 2
> 1. Noun: Japanese board game
>
> For me, that's 2 separate tiddlers, one for the english word go, one for 
> the japanese word borrowed into english
>
> Yes --  those are two different words that happen to share a similar 
sound.. You could use the caption or description field so that they
could share the title "Go" for sorting and searching.

Actually Go 1 would need to be split into each meaning. (Go (bodily 
function), Go (movement), Go (turn)...) One for each entry in a good 
dictionary -- assuming that you will want to use the data in some manner.

But sometimes it's better to work backwards. What outputs do you want?  How 
do you expect to use this data?

If you could hide tags, what tags would you hide?

Hmm. Will your polysynthetic language have a single word that indicates all 
those things? Are these words you will be constructing? Or are you trying 
to classify existing words?

Good luck!

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[tw5] Re: Fields as Lists of Tags


After some thought and digging, a better idea.

I can go into $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags and change the filter list to 
prevent certain tags / kinds of tags from showing in the tag wrapper. 
They'll still be on the tiddler, just not shown. 

Unfortunately, that would be a giant list - are there limits on how large a 
filter can be? Is there a way to transclude the tag list or something?

If I need to see them again - I can either restore the original filter or 
go to the tiddler manager and edit from there.








On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 10:43:38 AM UTC-6, Aidan Grey wrote:
>
> Can someone ELI5* how to use / work with fields as lists of tags? What are 
> the limitations and methods for using them?
>
> I understand that you can use buttons to edit the list, thanks to the 
> listops widget (I think it's a widget), but I don't understand how it all 
> goes together. Is it really just create a field and put items in it, like 
> this?
>
> partofspeech: N:IN V:Tr22 V:Di12 Part:Case
>
> where V:Tr22 is a whole "tag" that I can subject to filters like 
> [prefix[V:Tr], [suffix[22], and so forth?
>
> I'm particularly interested because I have fields in a dictionary TW that 
> really should have multiple items, like part of speech above. A word can be 
> a noun, several kinds of verbs, and an adverb, for example, and ideally, 
> I'd like to be able to tag them all in there, filter on the tags in the 
> field, etc. In other words, treat them just like a list. They wouldn't 
> change a lot and I don't really need the tags visible since they're in the 
> dictionary entry. I just need them for filtering.
>
> I also think using fields this way might be a way to solve another issue - 
> some tags I don't want visible on certain kinds of tiddlers, but the 
> solutions I've seen so far have been ... aesthetically unappealing to me 
> ($:/ will work for some, but not all of them). Multicol dropdowns are 
> great, but when I have literally 100 tags, it's impossible.
>
> Thanks,
> Aidan
>
> * just in case, ELI5 = Explain Like I'm 5
>

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[tw5] Re: Fields as Lists of Tags

Thanks Mark! 

Ultimately, what I need is some way to hide / not display certain tags. 
Fields seemed like the way to do it, but maybe not.

As you'll see below, if I tag everything the way I need, my tag "cloud" 
will be like 3 inches long, and that's way too much. I tried the whole $:/ 
trick I found in my googles, but that didn't work - they were still visible.

I'd like to see SOME tags, specific ones, but all 4589 that apply... no 
thanks. I think I could remove the whole tag display field and then make my 
own, maybe, that gets filtered for the stuff I want to see only?

If I understand right, I'd have my fields

partofspeech: V:Tr11 N:IN V:In1 V:St V:Tr12:Caus:Ins
semanticdomain: 31201 60512 80403 70600 
  a code for generic semantic domains that the word would fit into, 
to make vocab gathering easier, and to make education easier as well
  all the colors are in one semanticdomain code, for example, and 
31201 is the code for frogs and related vocab

and then, when I want to filter by that field, I just use the enlist. So if 
I wanted to list all the Transitive verbs about frogs (partofspeech = V:Tr 
and semanticdomain = 31202), how would i do that?

If I just used tags, it would just be filter="tag[V]tag[Tr]tag[31201]]" - 
easy except for the 3 inches of tags :)

As to atomization - I already tried that and got halfway in before I 
realized it wouldn't work for me. It gets complicated:

Go 1
1. Intransitive Verb: move; attack; be known; empty the bladder or bowels
2. Transitive Verb: afford; proceed along
3. Noun: act of going; a turn
4. Adjective: functioning properly and ready (all systems go)

Go 2
1. Noun: Japanese board game

For me, that's 2 separate tiddlers, one for the english word go, one for 
the japanese word borrowed into english

the English one, though, has 4 different parts of speech, Intr. Verb, Tr 
Verb, Noun, and Adjective. For some words/languages, it won't stop there - 
there can be multiple kinds of intransitive verbs, and so on. Unless I make 
a separate tiddler for every distinct sense / use of a word (which is too 
much), I couldn't use the atomized approach. There are contexts it's good 
for, but unfortunately this isn't one of them.

And to satisfy the curiosity: this is for a polysynthetic language, which 
has different classes or person markers. 22 indicates that the verb uses 
class 2 markers for both subject and object. 12 indicates class 1 for the 
subject, 2 for the object. And so on. 

On that point, because it's polysynthetic (gloms a lot of stuff into the 
verb), it's entirely possible to have even more complex details: 
V:Tr11:DirIns:Caus:AppBen is a causative transitive verb, with directional 
and instrumental, and a benefactive. An example of this might be:

 "she killed it for him by (throwing/stabbing) a knife into it"

She = the first 1 of 11
kill = causative of die: she made it die 
it = the second 1 of 11
Dir = Directional = into the middle of
Ins = Instrumental = with a knife
AppBen = Applicative (Benefactive) = for him/her

Hopefully the reason for field lists and/or hidden tags is much more 
apparent.

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 12:02:54 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Using a field like that is possible, with the operators that work with 
> lists.
>
> As a starter, you will want to convert your list field into a title list. 
> There are two main approaches
>
> * Method 1
>
> <$list filter="[enlist{TestData!!mylist}prefix[V:]\"/>
>
> * Method 2
>
> <$list filter="[list[TestData!!mylist]jprefix[V:]]"/>
>
> You may also want to use the "contains" operator
>
> <$list filter="[title[TestData]contains:mylist[V:Tr22]]"/>
>
> The contains operator looks for the whole value in the list field.
>
> Which brings me to a larger point about database design. Although it's 
> initially convenient 
> to make designations like "V:Tr22", it can lead to headaches down the 
> road. It might be better to 
> have each word in it's own tiddler and it's qualities identified 
> separately, e.g.
>
> wordtype: V
> verbtype: TR
> verbvalue: 22
>
> (I didn't know what the 22 represented).
>
> In database parlance, this is know as "data atomization" -- having each 
> field do just one job. You can look up
> "data normalization" to learn more about it. It makes creating reports and 
> data extractions easier down the road.
>
> If you do it this way,  you can use existing filter operators to list all 
> of your transitive verbs sorted by verb value without having to split the 
> field into it's sub-components.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:43:38 AM UTC-7, Aidan Grey wrote:
>>
>> Can someone ELI5* how to use / work with fields as lists of tags? What 
>> are the limitations and methods for using them?
>>
>> I understand that you can use buttons to edit the list, thanks to the 
>> listops widget (I think it's a widget), but I don't understand how it all 
>> goes together. Is it really just create a field and put items in it, like 
>> this

[tw5] Re: A much much better alternative to my todo plugin



On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 11:41:58 AM UTC-7, h0p3 wrote:
>
> His tool is excellent! I don't see why it is a "much much better 
> altnerative" though. I like different features of both of your work. I like 
> that your tool doesn't create a bunch of tiddlers (even if that means I 
> don't get nesting and other cool features). Your archiving is useful. I 
> also prefer your UI in my sidebar.
>
> Thank you for your work. It adds to the ecosystem.
>

I support that. I always like the plugins and macros to have the *least 
footprint*. 
I also liked that Mohammed's plugin came together with a bunch of macro 
based icons which can be extended to suit one's own work needs.

All the creative people are somewhat self critical of their work quality. I 
say to you (Mohammed), do not abandon your plugin. Many people like it. Its 
a good thing to have many options.

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist RC2: New UI and major improvement

2019-07-18 Thread h0p3

Thank you! =)

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 7:38:20 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi h0p3,
>  I have uploaded a special edition to support drag and drop for re 
> ordering items in todo list
>
> https://github.com/kookma/TW-Todolist/tree/master/draggable
>
> the index.html is a working demo and the plugin is a tid file.
>
> Enjoy it!
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad 
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 10:48:03 PM UTC+4:30, h0p3 wrote:
>>
>> This is magnificent. It has all the functions I need, it just werx 
>> intuitively, namespaces are a godsend, it doesn't show me more than I need, 
>> and it fits my sidebar automagically. I finally have a reason to stop 
>> building my stupid TDLs by hand. This is another brilliant stunner you've 
>> built. I can tell you've put a lot of thought into this; I love the design. 
>> Thank you for your gift to us. I have no criticism, but I have some 
>> feedback which might be useless to you (if so, sorry).
>>
>>- I see that it probably isn't possible to manually move items up and 
>>down the list in the way that I can arrange objects on the toolbar in the 
>>"Open" sidebar tab. Assuming it is safe, I'm still going to make some 
>> kind 
>>of ghetto button to be able to manually edit the json in 
>>$:/plugins/kookma/todolist/data/foobar/tasks. This is what I want to 
>> know: 
>>I see the members of the list are timestamped, and (if at all) is it a 
>>problem for me to put them out of creation order?
>>- Is it possible to create trees and move entire branches?
>>   - Manually nested metadata and notes to my TDLs have been valuable.
>>- I just can't use any of the calendars in TW. If there are trees and 
>>way to automate the ordering (e.g. .MM.DD @HH:MM), this tool is a 
>>calendar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 10:16:50 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Happy to hear that!
>>> Please send me if there is any issues
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 9:59:19 AM UTC+4:30, passingby wrote:

 Hi Mohammed,

 Noted all the points. 

 I have put the TodoLIst in my main Sidebar(right side). Expanded the 
 width of the SideBar to 400 px. I have gotten rid of the LeftBar. Put 
 everything in the Right SideBar. I was getting irritated with 2 bar on the 
 page. Also I got rid of the Site Title, Sub title, Page Controls as well 
 as 
 the Search Bar. They were hogging up space for no good use of mine. I put 
 all of them in a Sidebar tab. Made everything look minimalistic. And the 
 SideBar shifted up the page too. My TOC is  on the Sidebar Tab. Looks good 
 now. Will report if any more issues crop up.

 Thanks
 PassingBy

 On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 9:47:02 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Passinby
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 1:57:56 AM UTC+4:30, passingby wrote:
>>
>> I just installed the plugin and embedded a Todolist instance in the 
>> left sideBar(from Twaddle). Unfortunately, the Todolist  seems to be 
>> wider 
>> and its right edge goes behind the story river on the right. I have to 
>> set 
>> the width of 350px to the leftbar in order for the buttons to be 
>> visible. 
>> Can the layout be made more fluid?
>>
>
> Todolist needs 400px width to work properly! By the way you can  open 
> the main.css and change the min-width!
>  
>
>>
>> Second suggestion: Can it be made that we hit enter and an item is 
>> added, instead of the + button? If this can be done, then one more thing 
>> needless thing can be shaved off from the ui.
>>
>
> Users with touch screen needs the add button! For adding shortcut 
> keyboards I will ask BTC to see if it is possible to implement. I 
> personally support this feature!
>
>>
>> Third: Is it possible to drag and re order the list items?
>>
>
> This is difficult! The todo items are index/value pairs and the 
> draggable widget seems not work for them, but I welcome any suggestion by 
> you or other user have any solution for this!
>  
>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Passingby
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: A much much better alternative to my todo plugin

2019-07-18 Thread h0p3

His tool is excellent! I don't see why it is a "much much better 
altnerative" though. I like different features of both of your work. I like 
that your tool doesn't create a bunch of tiddlers (even if that means I 
don't get nesting and other cool features). Your archiving is useful. I 
also prefer your UI in my sidebar.

Thank you for your work. It adds to the ecosystem.



On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 1:45:13 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>
> I just realized JD has a much much better todo list plugin! I have not 
> seen he has announced it before!
> By the way he has a public todo here!
>
> http://j.d.todo.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> We know JD for his great work on TW theme and several other brilliant 
> plugins!
>
> So, I stopped further development on my Tiny Todolist!
>
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] menu item linking to website

2019-07-18 Thread Eric Kofoid

This relates to an earlier question about how to make Ton Gerner's topmenu 
menu items link to tiddlers. I would now like to create a menu item which 
acts as a direct link to a website in an external window. I think this can 
be done with a macro, but I'm quite ignorant about these. Any help will be 
greatly appreciated. -- Eric

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[tw5] Re: Fields as Lists of Tags

Using a field like that is possible, with the operators that work with 
lists.

As a starter, you will want to convert your list field into a title list. 
There are two main approaches

* Method 1

<$list filter="[enlist{TestData!!mylist}prefix[V:]\"/>

* Method 2

<$list filter="[list[TestData!!mylist]jprefix[V:]]"/>

You may also want to use the "contains" operator

<$list filter="[title[TestData]contains:mylist[V:Tr22]]"/>

The contains operator looks for the whole value in the list field.

Which brings me to a larger point about database design. Although it's 
initially convenient 
to make designations like "V:Tr22", it can lead to headaches down the road. 
It might be better to 
have each word in it's own tiddler and it's qualities identified 
separately, e.g.

wordtype: V
verbtype: TR
verbvalue: 22

(I didn't know what the 22 represented).

In database parlance, this is know as "data atomization" -- having each 
field do just one job. You can look up
"data normalization" to learn more about it. It makes creating reports and 
data extractions easier down the road.

If you do it this way,  you can use existing filter operators to list all 
of your transitive verbs sorted by verb value without having to split the 
field into it's sub-components.

Good luck!


On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:43:38 AM UTC-7, Aidan Grey wrote:
>
> Can someone ELI5* how to use / work with fields as lists of tags? What are 
> the limitations and methods for using them?
>
> I understand that you can use buttons to edit the list, thanks to the 
> listops widget (I think it's a widget), but I don't understand how it all 
> goes together. Is it really just create a field and put items in it, like 
> this?
>
> partofspeech: N:IN V:Tr22 V:Di12 Part:Case
>
> where V:Tr22 is a whole "tag" that I can subject to filters like 
> [prefix[V:Tr], [suffix[22], and so forth?
>
> I'm particularly interested because I have fields in a dictionary TW that 
> really should have multiple items, like part of speech above. A word can be 
> a noun, several kinds of verbs, and an adverb, for example, and ideally, 
> I'd like to be able to tag them all in there, filter on the tags in the 
> field, etc. In other words, treat them just like a list. They wouldn't 
> change a lot and I don't really need the tags visible since they're in the 
> dictionary entry. I just need them for filtering.
>
> I also think using fields this way might be a way to solve another issue - 
> some tags I don't want visible on certain kinds of tiddlers, but the 
> solutions I've seen so far have been ... aesthetically unappealing to me 
> ($:/ will work for some, but not all of them). Multicol dropdowns are 
> great, but when I have literally 100 tags, it's impossible.
>
> Thanks,
> Aidan
>
> * just in case, ELI5 = Explain Like I'm 5
>

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[tw5] Fields as Lists of Tags

Can someone ELI5* how to use / work with fields as lists of tags? What are
the limitations and methods for using them?

I understand that you can use buttons to edit the list, thanks to the
listops widget (I think it's a widget), but I don't understand how it all
goes together. Is it really just create a field and put items in it, like
this?

partofspeech: N:IN V:Tr22 V:Di12 Part:Case

where V:Tr22 is a whole "tag" that I can subject to filters like
[prefix[V:Tr], [suffix[22], and so forth?

I'm particularly interested because I have fields in a dictionary TW that
really should have multiple items, like part of speech above. A word can be
a noun, several kinds of verbs, and an adverb, for example, and ideally,
I'd like to be able to tag them all in there, filter on the tags in the
field, etc. In other words, treat them just like a list. They wouldn't
change a lot and I don't really need the tags visible since they're in the
dictionary entry. I just need them for filtering.

I also think using fields this way might be a way to solve another issue -
some tags I don't want visible on certain kinds of tiddlers, but the
solutions I've seen so far have been ... aesthetically unappealing to me
($:/ will work for some, but not all of them). Multicol dropdowns are
great, but when I have literally 100 tags, it's impossible.

Thanks,
Aidan

* just in case, ELI5 = Explain Like I'm 5

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[tw5] List type attribute in wiki text

Is there a way to define the 'type' attribute of the list in wiki text. In 
my notes these days, I frequently type="a" lists.

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist Plugin RC 4: Create todo item with different categories



>
> Goto 
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FControlPanel%2FKeyboardShortcuts
> and make sure you have set a shortcutkey for *add-todo-item*
>

Thanks, its working now. I was missing the shortcut setting. 

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[tw5] Re: I have a boneheaded question about Tiddlydesktop

I haven't tried running it from a USB, but it should work.

There's an option when launching TD to specify where it stores user 
configuration data (--user-data-dir)

However, I've found that on Windows it will still want to write an (empty) 
folder deep inside
your personal windows directories. So just be aware, if it's essential to 
"leave no trace.".



On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 9:06:07 PM UTC-7, mervin mecklenburg wrote:

> Hi folks.  Is it possible to mount Tiddlydesktop on a USB drive?  Is there 
> documentation on this?  How do I do it?
>
> Thanks for the response.
>
> Merv
>

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[tw5] Re: A much much better alternative to my todo plugin

2019-07-18 Thread Mohammad

Thanks Jed and Tony!
 Yes, but amazingly they are very similar! The difference is Jd uses 
tiddlers for task and I am using key/values!

Tiddlers give much more flexibility! The UI is much better! That was why I 
thought it is better to support Jd work.

--Mohammad 

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[tw5] Re: A much much better alternative to my todo plugin

Jed is correct.

Divercity is good.

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist RC2: New UI and major improvement

2019-07-18 Thread Mohammad



On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 1:57:56 AM UTC+4:30, passingby wrote:
>
> I just installed the plugin and embedded a Todolist instance in the left 
> sideBar(from Twaddle). Unfortunately, the Todolist  seems to be wider and 
> its right edge goes behind the story river on the right. I have to set the 
> width of 350px to the leftbar in order for the buttons to be visible. Can 
> the layout be made more fluid?
>
> Second suggestion: Can it be made that we hit enter and an item is added, 
> instead of the + button? If this can be done, then one more thing needless 
> thing can be shaved off from the ui.
>
> Third: Is it possible to drag and re order the list items?
>
Hi passingby,
 This is a special edition supports drag and drop

https://github.com/kookma/TW-Todolist/tree/master/draggable

Good luck
 

>
> Thanks
> Passingby
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist RC2: New UI and major improvement

2019-07-18 Thread Mohammad

Hi h0p3,
 I have uploaded a special edition to support drag and drop for re ordering 
items in todo list

https://github.com/kookma/TW-Todolist/tree/master/draggable

the index.html is a working demo and the plugin is a tid file.

Enjoy it!

Cheers
Mohammad 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 10:48:03 PM UTC+4:30, h0p3 wrote:
>
> This is magnificent. It has all the functions I need, it just werx 
> intuitively, namespaces are a godsend, it doesn't show me more than I need, 
> and it fits my sidebar automagically. I finally have a reason to stop 
> building my stupid TDLs by hand. This is another brilliant stunner you've 
> built. I can tell you've put a lot of thought into this; I love the design. 
> Thank you for your gift to us. I have no criticism, but I have some 
> feedback which might be useless to you (if so, sorry).
>
>- I see that it probably isn't possible to manually move items up and 
>down the list in the way that I can arrange objects on the toolbar in the 
>"Open" sidebar tab. Assuming it is safe, I'm still going to make some kind 
>of ghetto button to be able to manually edit the json in 
>$:/plugins/kookma/todolist/data/foobar/tasks. This is what I want to know: 
>I see the members of the list are timestamped, and (if at all) is it a 
>problem for me to put them out of creation order?
>- Is it possible to create trees and move entire branches?
>   - Manually nested metadata and notes to my TDLs have been valuable.
>- I just can't use any of the calendars in TW. If there are trees and 
>way to automate the ordering (e.g. .MM.DD @HH:MM), this tool is a 
>calendar.
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 10:16:50 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Happy to hear that!
>> Please send me if there is any issues
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 9:59:19 AM UTC+4:30, passingby wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mohammed,
>>>
>>> Noted all the points. 
>>>
>>> I have put the TodoLIst in my main Sidebar(right side). Expanded the 
>>> width of the SideBar to 400 px. I have gotten rid of the LeftBar. Put 
>>> everything in the Right SideBar. I was getting irritated with 2 bar on the 
>>> page. Also I got rid of the Site Title, Sub title, Page Controls as well as 
>>> the Search Bar. They were hogging up space for no good use of mine. I put 
>>> all of them in a Sidebar tab. Made everything look minimalistic. And the 
>>> SideBar shifted up the page too. My TOC is  on the Sidebar Tab. Looks good 
>>> now. Will report if any more issues crop up.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> PassingBy
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 9:47:02 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:

 Hi Passinby


 On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 1:57:56 AM UTC+4:30, passingby wrote:
>
> I just installed the plugin and embedded a Todolist instance in the 
> left sideBar(from Twaddle). Unfortunately, the Todolist  seems to be 
> wider 
> and its right edge goes behind the story river on the right. I have to 
> set 
> the width of 350px to the leftbar in order for the buttons to be visible. 
> Can the layout be made more fluid?
>

 Todolist needs 400px width to work properly! By the way you can  open 
 the main.css and change the min-width!
  

>
> Second suggestion: Can it be made that we hit enter and an item is 
> added, instead of the + button? If this can be done, then one more thing 
> needless thing can be shaved off from the ui.
>

 Users with touch screen needs the add button! For adding shortcut 
 keyboards I will ask BTC to see if it is possible to implement. I 
 personally support this feature!

>
> Third: Is it possible to drag and re order the list items?
>

 This is difficult! The todo items are index/value pairs and the 
 draggable widget seems not work for them, but I welcome any suggestion by 
 you or other user have any solution for this!
  

>
> Thanks
> Passingby
>


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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 1:07:52 PM UTC+2, MagoArcade wrote:
>
> Hmm. Just thinking how to do this test without doing a full re-install. If 
> I were to disable your plugin and then change the auth method to Basic - 
> would that test your scenario. 
>

I'm interested with "windows auth". If the default WebDav save has no 
chance to run with ISS server at all, imo it would be reason to make the 
webdav-lm the default and the etag version a plugin. 

It's relatively easy to disable a plugin, without removing it. Just click 
the "disable" button -> Save -> Reload.

> I'm very confident about the 'one shot' save when using Windows Auth - it 
> was a clear pattern - restart server - first save goes well, any subsequent 
> doesn't. 
>

Even if compression switched off?

I do know, that my plugin works well with many different configuration 
options, with IIS, apache, nginx, lighttpd ... The default on the other 
hand is very "brittle". 

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

2019-07-18 Thread MagoArcade

Hmm. Just thinking how to do this test without doing a full re-install. If 
I were to disable your plugin and then change the auth method to Basic - 
would that test your scenario. 

I'm very confident about the 'one shot' save when using Windows Auth - it 
was a clear pattern - restart server - first save goes well, any subsequent 
doesn't. 

Let me know how to proceed with any testing - happy to help. 

On Thursday, 18 July 2019 10:45:18 UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> It would be nice, if you could do 1 more test. In your video at: 
> https://youtu.be/VMQ3Lfko8uQ?t=1138 you did stop interaction for a "1 
> shot possibility". ... I think that shouldn't be true, if server side 
> compression is *switched off *already. 
>
> I did test the default WebDav saver, which uses etags, on a Windows 10 Pro 
> Client machine. .. IIS is enabled using webdav and basic auth. ... So 
> that's the main difference between your setup and mine. ..
>
> I could save several times, as long as I didn't change the TW with 
> TDesktop or by hand ... 
>
> If you really can't save 2 times at this stage, then ISS stand alone 
> server and ISS client server implement etags in different ways. Which I 
> don't think is true. My IIS Manger says: IIS Version 10.0.18362.1
>
> It would be nice to get feedback here. 
>
> 
>
> There is a second possibility to include the plugin. .. Just use TDesktop 
> first and import the plugin there. ... If you load it with WebDav, then it 
> would be there already. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>
>

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[tw5] Tiddlymap vertical position

2019-07-18 Thread Jan


Hello Everyone,
... but I think this is a question hard to answer for anyone but Felix.
Is there an index to find out the vertical position a tiddler has in a map?
Where are those informations stored?
This would be very practical to generate an order of a tiddlerlist for me.

Ahoi (also from Hamburg) Jan

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

Hi,

It would be nice, if you could do 1 more test. In your video at:
https://youtu.be/VMQ3Lfko8uQ?t=1138 you did stop interaction for a "1 shot
possibility". ... I think that shouldn't be true, if server side
compression is *switched off *already.

I did test the default WebDav saver, which uses etags, on a Windows 10 Pro
Client machine. .. IIS is enabled using webdav and basic auth. ... So
that's the main difference between your setup and mine. ..

I could save several times, as long as I didn't change the TW with TDesktop
or by hand ...

If you really can't save 2 times at this stage, then ISS stand alone server
and ISS client server implement etags in different ways. Which I don't
think is true. My IIS Manger says: IIS Version 10.0.18362.1

It would be nice to get feedback here.

There is a second possibility to include the plugin. .. Just use TDesktop
first and import the plugin there. ... If you load it with WebDav, then it
would be there already.

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

2019-07-18 Thread MagoArcade

Thanks for the feedback - have updated things accordingly. I can confirm 
that re-enabling compression works fine. Also - your vids linked from mine 
and the blog. Thanks for your input into this. 

On Thursday, 18 July 2019 08:21:24 UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi, 
> I did link to your video, from my 1st and 3rd videos. .. So it would be 
> nice if you could link to mine too. 
>
> -m
> see: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpkQhKyqPzc&list=PLuiC_HFhI4OwoVDb-B-VK0ydj-mBPNn-1
>

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[tw5] Re: Interactive SVG Image Map Not Responsive

2019-07-18 Thread A Gloom


>
>
> Well, it only happens when I hover over the object. And it's less of a 
> jiggle, and more "when highlighted, text moves 6 pixels to the left and 3 
> pixels up" and "on mouseoff, text moves back to original position." I have 
> no idea what causes it, or why it happens for certain text objects, but not 
> for others. The code for the two areas is identical, with the exception of 
> the path. 
>

 I can only think it would be the CSS then-- with mouseover, the hover 
styling takes over and potentionally can change styling of the text which 
could cause a shift..

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Re: [tw5] Re: Widget to import .txt-File as Tiddler: How do I import umlaute ö ä ü ß an other strange German characters

2019-07-18 Thread Jan

Hi Mark,
of course I did. Jed's line of conde is still in the widget on
szen.io/test.
But I thing what is going wrong is happening before that step. At that
point the data already seems to be unreadable.

Tschö (another German word with rockdots to say 'see you') Jan

Am 18.07.2019 um 03:04 schrieb 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki:

But did you try Jed's suggestion:

|
varurltext =decodeURI(client.responseText);
|

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 4:58:15 PM UTC-7, Jan wrote:

Hi Jed, Hi Mark,
thanks for your help, I tried some things before answering:

stackoverflow says this could help:

|exports.run = function(url) {
var client = new XMLHttpRequest();
client.open('GET', url, false);
client.setRequestHeader('Content-type',
'application/x-www-form-urlencoded; charset=ISO-8859-1');

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11906904/how-to-force-xmlhttprequest-to-use-iso-8859-1-charset-only

alas as visible hereszenio.de/Test/ , it does not

The server is a commercial provider.|||nginx -| I assume.

Jan

Am 17.07.2019 um 18:30 schrieb Jed Carty:

It may be at least partially a browser thing, safari doesn't
display the characters, Firefox does.

But if it isn't a server thing I am not sure what else to check.
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[tw5] Re: A much much better alternative to my todo plugin

2019-07-18 Thread Jed Carty

There are many different ways to make things and implementations that match 
different needs, even for something as simple as a todo list.
Making something specific to your needs isn't a problem, and it is likely 
that someone else will have similar needs and your versions will be more 
useful to them than existing versions.

I have made multiple implementations of todo lists to fit specific needs of 
a task, one version isn't going to fit every situation.

https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/CategoryLists/
https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/SimpleTaskList/

Those are very distinct from both the version JD made and the version 
Mohammad made.

That isn't to say you have to make everything, but making things that 
already exist in another form isn't necessarily a bad thing or a waste of 
time.

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[tw5] Re: [INTRO] WebDav PUT saver plugin which allows server side compression

Hi folks, 

In a different thread 
 
MagoArcade posted some links to a blog and a video he made, creating an 
internet facing WebDav setup. 

My initial videos about WebDav are step-by-step instructions, how to 
install IIS for the local network for windows 10. His videos show "the 
second step", how to get it working with the internet using a "real" IIS 
server. 

Basics: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpkQhKyqPzc&list=PLuiC_HFhI4OwoVDb-B-VK0ydj-mBPNn-1

MagoArcade's stuff 

Blog: 
http://magoarcade.org/wp/serving-tiddlywiki-via-windows-home-server-iis-and-webdav/
Video: https://youtu.be/VMQ3Lfko8uQ

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

Hi, 
I did link to your video, from my 1st and 3rd videos. .. So it would be 
nice if you could link to mine too. 

-m
see: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpkQhKyqPzc&list=PLuiC_HFhI4OwoVDb-B-VK0ydj-mBPNn-1

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.