date:20200623

Riz,

Totally agree, I suppose I need to take the next step for playground and 
standard editions despite it being raised an number of times.

However If there is no download without selecting an option, how will it 
look to a new user?. To me it is a big thing to hide something so essential 
that was not before.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 3:14:10 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>
> > Single file HTML button should be at the top
>
> Noted. Will change. I am not up for keeping it open. The wizard is in 
> place specifically for those people who need help. People should make 
> informed decisions. Might be worthwhile to add download button to wizard 
> intro though. I would take suggestions on how the text should be.
>
> Regarding standard edition I agree with the necessity of such an edition. 
> However these require a entirely different and thorough discussion. What is 
> a standard edition?. What plugins goes into a standard edition? How are 
> users guided through the usage of a standard edition? Is there gonna be a 
> wizard inside standard edition that will tell user what to do step by step? 
>
> When a standard edition is formed and available under tiddlywiki.com 
> domain, the GettingStarted Tiddler will be definitely revised to link to it 
> in appropriate places. It doesn't exist currently unfortunately.
>
> Similar is the case with playground edition. There should exist one in the 
> repo and under tiddlywiki.com domain. When they do, it will be linked. 
>
> Sincerely,
> Riz
>
> On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 10:28 TW Tones, > 
> wrote:
>
>> Riz,
>>
>> Thanks for your work here
>>
>> Some Quick points
>>
>>- Single file HTML button should be at the top, and possibly open to 
>>start with. This is where new users will be, lets not force a choice when 
>>they still do not know how to answer.
>>- Personally I think at least download empty should always be visible 
>>above the choices as it will always be valid. 
>>However as argued elsewhere it would be better to use a Standard wiki 
>>with a little more than empty eg a few inclusions like contents, display 
>>the more page control, home close all and a little more.
>>- I also believe once established a learn tiddlywiki and playground 
>>editions be pointed to here. If people can experience it without 
>>download/save of any other decisions I expect out adoption or conversion 
>>rate to go up.
>>
>> Regards
>> TW Tones
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 2:40:44 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> So I have uploaded the current draft of changes here: 
>>> https://ibnishak.github.io/TiddlyWiki5/
>>>
>>> Apart from changed suggested by Eric, the text is practically same. Some 
>>> other major changes
>>>
>>> 1. The filters in Saver methods are done away with. As pointed out 
>>> above, most options appear whatever options you choose. Wherever options 
>>> are platform bound, it is mentioned clearly in the description. Otherwise 
>>> it is subdivided to meaningful categories keeping in mind "What average 
>>> users might want to see first".
>>> 2. Text in "Installing Tiddlywiki with Node.JS" is slightly modified.
>>> 3. Advice boxes CSS is updated.
>>> 4. Wizard as discussed above.
>>>
>>> I have not updated individual savers. I have my doubts regarding a few - 
>>> HTA hack, Beaker, PHP saver. A few users in Reddit had complaints regarding 
>>> instructions about Noteself being outdated. Someone more knowledgeable 
>>> might want to look into these. Actual users of individual saver methods 
>>> could eventually update the docs with detailed instructions to set up 
>>> individual savers. 
>>>
>>>  Apart from general comments, I need specific feedback regarding the 
>>> following.
>>>
>>> 1. In the wizard intro, there need be a comment mentioning that only one 
>>> saver would work at a time. If you use GitHub saver, the local copy will 
>>> not be updated. This seems to be a frequent source of confusion.
>>> 2.  Right now in wizard the "Next" button appear only when next step 
>>> matters - like when user selects No or when there is a subquestion - like 
>>> which cloud service to use. Another option would be keeping the next button 
>>> appear always and urging user to click it on choosing an option. It might 
>>> involve animation- so could be costly wrt performance.
>>> 3. How about changing all advice boxes (Tips, Warning, Preamble) in the 
>>> doc to the CSS given in the demo? Right now I have kept it limited to the 
>>> tiddlers I modified in this demo.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Riz
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

Hi,

I think, file based options should be first. node.js is definitely more 
complex.

And the browser default saver should be first too. Every user should know 
how it works, because it always works!

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

2020-06-23 Thread Rizwan Ishak

> Single file HTML button should be at the top

Noted. Will change. I am not up for keeping it open. The wizard is in place
specifically for those people who need help. People should make informed
decisions. Might be worthwhile to add download button to wizard intro
though. I would take suggestions on how the text should be.

Regarding standard edition I agree with the necessity of such an edition.
However these require a entirely different and thorough discussion. What is
a standard edition?. What plugins goes into a standard edition? How are
users guided through the usage of a standard edition? Is there gonna be a
wizard inside standard edition that will tell user what to do step by step?

When a standard edition is formed and available under tiddlywiki.com
domain, the GettingStarted Tiddler will be definitely revised to link to it
in appropriate places. It doesn't exist currently unfortunately.

Similar is the case with playground edition. There should exist one in the
repo and under tiddlywiki.com domain. When they do, it will be linked.

Sincerely,
Riz

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 10:28 TW Tones,  wrote:

> Riz,
>
> Thanks for your work here
>
> Some Quick points
>
>- Single file HTML button should be at the top, and possibly open to
>start with. This is where new users will be, lets not force a choice when
>they still do not know how to answer.
>- Personally I think at least download empty should always be visible
>above the choices as it will always be valid.
>However as argued elsewhere it would be better to use a Standard wiki
>with a little more than empty eg a few inclusions like contents, display
>the more page control, home close all and a little more.
>- I also believe once established a learn tiddlywiki and playground
>editions be pointed to here. If people can experience it without
>download/save of any other decisions I expect out adoption or conversion
>rate to go up.
>
> Regards
> TW Tones
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 2:40:44 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So I have uploaded the current draft of changes here:
>> https://ibnishak.github.io/TiddlyWiki5/
>>
>> Apart from changed suggested by Eric, the text is practically same. Some
>> other major changes
>>
>> 1. The filters in Saver methods are done away with. As pointed out above,
>> most options appear whatever options you choose. Wherever options are
>> platform bound, it is mentioned clearly in the description. Otherwise it is
>> subdivided to meaningful categories keeping in mind "What average users
>> might want to see first".
>> 2. Text in "Installing Tiddlywiki with Node.JS" is slightly modified.
>> 3. Advice boxes CSS is updated.
>> 4. Wizard as discussed above.
>>
>> I have not updated individual savers. I have my doubts regarding a few -
>> HTA hack, Beaker, PHP saver. A few users in Reddit had complaints regarding
>> instructions about Noteself being outdated. Someone more knowledgeable
>> might want to look into these. Actual users of individual saver methods
>> could eventually update the docs with detailed instructions to set up
>> individual savers.
>>
>>  Apart from general comments, I need specific feedback regarding the
>> following.
>>
>> 1. In the wizard intro, there need be a comment mentioning that only one
>> saver would work at a time. If you use GitHub saver, the local copy will
>> not be updated. This seems to be a frequent source of confusion.
>> 2.  Right now in wizard the "Next" button appear only when next step
>> matters - like when user selects No or when there is a subquestion - like
>> which cloud service to use. Another option would be keeping the next button
>> appear always and urging user to click it on choosing an option. It might
>> involve animation- so could be costly wrt performance.
>> 3. How about changing all advice boxes (Tips, Warning, Preamble) in the
>> doc to the CSS given in the demo? Right now I have kept it limited to the
>> tiddlers I modified in this demo.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Riz
>>
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[tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

Riz,

Thanks for your work here

Some Quick points

   - Single file HTML button should be at the top, and possibly open to 
   start with. This is where new users will be, lets not force a choice when 
   they still do not know how to answer.
   - Personally I think at least download empty should always be visible 
   above the choices as it will always be valid. 
   However as argued elsewhere it would be better to use a Standard wiki 
   with a little more than empty eg a few inclusions like contents, display 
   the more page control, home close all and a little more.
   - I also believe once established a learn tiddlywiki and playground 
   editions be pointed to here. If people can experience it without 
   download/save of any other decisions I expect out adoption or conversion 
   rate to go up.

Regards
TW Tones

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 2:40:44 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> So I have uploaded the current draft of changes here: 
> https://ibnishak.github.io/TiddlyWiki5/
>
> Apart from changed suggested by Eric, the text is practically same. Some 
> other major changes
>
> 1. The filters in Saver methods are done away with. As pointed out above, 
> most options appear whatever options you choose. Wherever options are 
> platform bound, it is mentioned clearly in the description. Otherwise it is 
> subdivided to meaningful categories keeping in mind "What average users 
> might want to see first".
> 2. Text in "Installing Tiddlywiki with Node.JS" is slightly modified.
> 3. Advice boxes CSS is updated.
> 4. Wizard as discussed above.
>
> I have not updated individual savers. I have my doubts regarding a few - 
> HTA hack, Beaker, PHP saver. A few users in Reddit had complaints regarding 
> instructions about Noteself being outdated. Someone more knowledgeable 
> might want to look into these. Actual users of individual saver methods 
> could eventually update the docs with detailed instructions to set up 
> individual savers. 
>
>  Apart from general comments, I need specific feedback regarding the 
> following.
>
> 1. In the wizard intro, there need be a comment mentioning that only one 
> saver would work at a time. If you use GitHub saver, the local copy will 
> not be updated. This seems to be a frequent source of confusion.
> 2.  Right now in wizard the "Next" button appear only when next step 
> matters - like when user selects No or when there is a subquestion - like 
> which cloud service to use. Another option would be keeping the next button 
> appear always and urging user to click it on choosing an option. It might 
> involve animation- so could be costly wrt performance.
> 3. How about changing all advice boxes (Tips, Warning, Preamble) in the 
> doc to the CSS given in the demo? Right now I have kept it limited to the 
> tiddlers I modified in this demo.
>
> Sincerely,
> Riz
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

2020-06-23 Thread Riz

Hi,

So I have uploaded the current draft of changes here:
https://ibnishak.github.io/TiddlyWiki5/

Apart from changed suggested by Eric, the text is practically same. Some other
major changes

1. The filters in Saver methods are done away with. As pointed out above, most
options appear whatever options you choose. Wherever options are platform
bound, it is mentioned clearly in the description. Otherwise it is subdivided
to meaningful categories keeping in mind "What average users might want to see
first".
2. Text in "Installing Tiddlywiki with Node.JS" is slightly modified.
3. Advice boxes CSS is updated.
4. Wizard as discussed above.

I have not updated individual savers. I have my doubts regarding a few - HTA
hack, Beaker, PHP saver. A few users in Reddit had complaints regarding
instructions about Noteself being outdated. Someone more knowledgeable might
want to look into these. Actual users of individual saver methods could
eventually update the docs with detailed instructions to set up individual
savers.

Apart from general comments, I need specific feedback regarding the following.

1. In the wizard intro, there need be a comment mentioning that only one saver
would work at a time. If you use GitHub saver, the local copy will not be
updated. This seems to be a frequent source of confusion.
2. Right now in wizard the "Next" button appear only when next step matters -
like when user selects No or when there is a subquestion - like which cloud
service to use. Another option would be keeping the next button appear always
and urging user to click it on choosing an option. It might involve animation-
so could be costly wrt performance.
3. How about changing all advice boxes (Tips, Warning, Preamble) in the doc to
the CSS given in the demo? Right now I have kept it limited to the tiddlers I
modified in this demo.

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

For me I want our demographic to be everyone, even if it is still a work in 
progress.

[image: Snag_99c5631.png]


Infinite possibility CMS IPCMS
Forget *I*ntellectual *P*roperty and adopt *I*nfinite *P*ossibilities for 
any content.

Tony

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC+10, TW Tones wrote:
>
> TT +  OGNSYA
>  
>
>> Tones is very seductive. :) Likely wrong. :)
>>
>
> TT, If you are going to make such specific statements I would like to to 
> put up an argument.
>
> I would also urge to to recognise this is already part of tiddlywikis 
> philosophy, from open source, to controlled development and making it 
> usable for the common person.
>
> To me it is not can tiddlywiki democratise access to Information 
> technology, it does, the question is can it do it at scale? We greatly 
> under-utilise computing in today's world - believe it it not, the gap 
> between those empowered and those not continues to grow, even generations 
> have being "written off" as ever understanding it, and it will happen in 
> future generations as well. 
>
> OGNSYA
>
> Part of identifying the demographics it would be interesting to see the 
> keywords used to search for tiddlywiki and related solutions. That why the 
> aforementioned CMS was raised. 
>
> We still hear friends advise you need a CMS (Content Management System) or 
> Website, content is an abstraction that includes a lot of things.
>
> I am confident we should coin this below with emphasis on CMS but the rest 
> to generate curiosity and a sense of the unlimited, as non-linear did for 
> me.
>
> [image: Snag_98ffec4.png]
>
> Programmable, Private, Public, published, personal, process, platform 
> etc...
>
> What is 
> [image: Snag_9942a07.png]
> someone may ask
>
>
> Infinite possibility Content Management System, for everyone
>
> It is a Content management system with infinite possibilities, we also 
> found many words beginning with P are needed to describe many of its 
> possibilities.
>
> N is multiple P's or n for to the power of non-linear
>
> But the way the above was written in wikitext.
>
> I'd be careful about presenting all those (amazing) ideas all at once to a 
>> new user though. 
>
> I totally agree
>
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

TT + OGNSYA

> Tones is very seductive. :) Likely wrong. :)
>

TT, If you are going to make such specific statements I would like to to
put up an argument.

I would also urge to to recognise this is already part of tiddlywikis
philosophy, from open source, to controlled development and making it
usable for the common person.

To me it is not can tiddlywiki democratise access to Information
technology, it does, the question is can it do it at scale? We greatly
under-utilise computing in today's world - believe it it not, the gap
between those empowered and those not continues to grow, even generations
have being "written off" as ever understanding it, and it will happen in
future generations as well.

OGNSYA

Part of identifying the demographics it would be interesting to see the
keywords used to search for tiddlywiki and related solutions. That why the
aforementioned CMS was raised.

We still hear friends advise you need a CMS (Content Management System) or
Website, content is an abstraction that includes a lot of things.

I am confident we should coin this below with emphasis on CMS but the rest
to generate curiosity and a sense of the unlimited, as non-linear did for
me.

[image: Snag_98ffec4.png]

Programmable, Private, Public, published, personal, process, platform etc...

What is
[image: Snag_9942a07.png]
someone may ask

Infinite possibility Content Management System, for everyone

It is a Content management system with infinite possibilities, we also
found many words beginning with P are needed to describe many of its
possibilities.

N is multiple P's or n for to the power of non-linear

But the way the above was written in wikitext.

I'd be careful about presenting all those (amazing) ideas all at once to a
> new user though.

I totally agree

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

David,

I urge where possible solutions not to grow in complexity but new modular 
additions be developed to add the features. Basically generalise/abstract 
and modularise every solution as much as possible.

I attach two buttons I developed for the view template to copy the title to 
the clipboard and the text of the tiddler to the clipboard. I use them in 
my code repository/ resources wikis.

Like most buttons you can also reference it in a list of body of a tiddler, 
or via a view template by transcluding it;

{{||$:/PSaT/button/copy-title}}

When we generalise solutions they can be used independently and in more 
places that within a packaged solution.

Not too many know the trick that any list with currentTiddler can 
transclude buttons that operate on the listed tiddler, this example lists 
tags with a copy to clipboard and tagpil. 

[image: Snag_979727d.png]

For example its simple to prefix a list of tiddlers with icons that will 
operate on the list item
eg 
[image: Snag_97dc889.png] 




Regards
TW Tones




On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 8:08:35 AM UTC+10, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Here is an idea for a feature, as if you didn't have enough to think about!
>
> On the menu, you could have an option to copy the title of the tiddler to 
> the clipboard. That way you can paste it elsewhere and transcludify it.
>
> You have an option for clicking shift and dragging it, to copy it, but 
> that wasn't working for me, and also it requires having both tiddlers open 
> beforehand. By copying it to clipboard, you can add it to as many tiddlers 
> as you want, by opening them and pasting. Just a thought.
>
> On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 4:44:31 PM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Edited (09/06/2020)
>> This is in active development. Back up your wiki regularly.
>>
>> Demo:
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
>>
>> *Code:*
>> https://github.com/saqimtiaz/streams
>>
>> ---
>>
>> When I'm under the weather I tend to prototype. Spent some time reworking 
>> code from my eternally in progress task manager in an attempt to make it 
>> more general purpose, as a bullet list note taking tool that may be of 
>> utility to others. 
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SB06s13tj8P3cC2UewnfzXf08UQ7jwYK/view?usp=drivesdk
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SLESm6OIfHsScwYePGOs5ce3o3wpQ0CO/view?usp=drivesdk
>>
>> - everything except the dragging is keyboard driven
>> - each bullet is a separate tiddler. Lots of different pros and cons to 
>> this approach, but was ideal for a task manager.
>> - this is all in wikitext, no extra JS.
>>
>>  Will post the file in the near future, a bit more clean up needed. Don't 
>> expect a final product, but rather a pattern to follow that would hopefully 
>> help anyone wanting to implement similar workflow. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Description: application/json

[tw5] Re: [preview] UI tweaks and doodads

Saq,

The field editing you demonstrate here, behind the info tab is fantastic. 
It would seem to me it would feasible to be able to toggle this editor into 
the foreground via the view template as well, all that may be needed is a 
way to facilitate edit current. 

The idea is to sometimes present the naive user with the extended editing. 

I can see a complementary view which presents a list of field names and an 
input edit field, rather than providing for field definition and creation.

I also have a field-type method I would like to incorporate into field 
handling which would generically support enhanced edit tools (not simple 
text)

I would like to see similar solutions developed in collaboration with the 
prospect of including in the standard distribution. I think there is still 
a large gap between what tiddlywiki can do and what new users can do. 
Inline editing, using fields productively etc...

Regards
TW Tones

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 12:16:14 AM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Over the last couple of years, I have accumulated a fair few UI tweaks and 
> changes that are in use in different wikis according to my requirements. A 
> lot of it is tightly integrated with the theme and other features, and thus 
> difficult to separate and share. However, there is a subset related to 
> editing that is easier to isolate and might prove interesting for others.
>
> Here is a preview. ( all editing happens via the view template. )
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VAQ6MeLQr3VQrVDd0kzaFJHigSYZC_Wl/view
>
> This consists of a series of distinct ad hoc changes over time, rather 
> than being driven by a considered and unified vision. So there are some 
> rough edges, a few known bugs and a lot of room for improvement. 
>
> If it is of interest, I'll separate it out and document the different 
> parts and post a file. It wont be something I would recommend for others to 
> start using in anger, but rather something to build upon or be inspired by.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>

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[tw5] Re: [preview] UI tweaks and doodads

Saq,

Some fairly profound possibilities there with your actions

I really appreciate that you can go strait to js or plugins/actions and new 
filters to build tiddlywiki solutions, which I am not yet in the position 
to do.

It is interesting to me as a superuser living with the available 
wikitext/widget/macro and filter tools, built in, I do see different ways 
to achieve similar things (in some cases).

It makes me wonder should we use one over the other, maintain diversity, or 
even develop a shared understanding to guide the provision of fundamental 
"facilitation" based solutions (As opposed to finished solutions) 

Continuing to love you work
Regards
TW Tones


On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 11:53:05 PM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> I've made a very quick attempt at isolating the UI tweaks from the video, 
> you can have a play with it here:
>
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/sandbox.html
>
> I think I got everything but it is possible I missed a tiddler or two. 
> Will try to document this when I have a bit more time, so that it's easy to 
> know which tiddlers correspond to which functionality.
>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

2020-06-23 Thread _Phi / hpx1

no worries, I was just curious to test it on a burner-tw install, thanks 
for the heads up.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 11:52:23 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Also I've tried to install your modified edit-comptext (the one you 
>> linked on snowgoon's GitHub for demo purposes) : once I setup the 
>> $:/config/EditorTypeMappings/text/vnd.tiddlywiki to `text` instead of 
>> `comptext`, I still have auto-completion in editor view, but not in Streams 
>> (i mean that when I'm editing text in a Streams tree, I don't have 
>> auto-completion). I don't know if it's the normal behavior with the current 
>> implementation (i figure it's not), just wanted to let you know.
>>
>
> That integration is currently disabled because:
> a) no one should be using a modified and patched version of a plugin that 
> will likely clash with future updates.
> b) after I made that pull request I realized the key handling for the two 
> plugins will likely clash and I have not had the time to investigate yet. 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Preview: RapidTiddler

Michael,

Nice work. I can see this combined with other prior methods and the recent 
command 
pallet 
 a 
tiddlywiki user/designer could become a "speed machine" building content.

Thanks
Tony

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 7:49:48 AM UTC+10, Michael Arndt wrote:
>
> Hi Tony
>
> > Given your one line example in the video makes me ask can we use this to 
> edit fields as well?, it would be great to be able to build a list field if 
> tiddler titles from keyboard entry, as you example does (without the 
> additional text). People could use it to build a list of tiddlers that want 
> to include in an export from memory.
> That should be possible and single line is my goal. However CodeMirror 
> doesn’t support that out of the box, it should work with some code though. 
>
>>
>>- Could re enter a filter to select more than one title?
>>
>> You mean a list of Tiddlers? That would be a different mode in CM terms, 
> and each auto-complete invocation would likely only give a list where the 
> user can choose one entry. That is done in JS so if you know likely 
> combinations you could include that in the list. 
>
>>
>>- Could we allow transclusions rather than links to be placed in the 
>>text (Perhaps not transcluding in your view editor)?
>>
>> great idea, I just implemented that today. (See /todo). Once rendered the 
> transclusions are not updated til something triggers a re-render though. 
> And I needed to edit the CM plugin a bit. 
>
>>
>>- Could we provide an additional list or filter to the predictive 
>>process such as a list of macronames that the predictive text would 
>> insert 
>><>  (Perhaps not rendering in your view editor)?
>>
>> yes
>
>>
>>- 
>>- Perhaps the ability to toggle if transclusions or macros are 
>>rendered in this view/update mode.
>>
>> not sure about that one. Would need some control to do that and wire that 
> up wir the CM instance. Need to look further how that might work (first 
> time TW and first time CM user here 😅)
>
>
> Thanks for your interest!
> Michael 
>
>>
>>- 
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:09:04 AM UTC+10, Michael Arndt wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, I'm new to TiddlyWiki. However, I missed something for very quickly 
>>> writing something down, so I played around a bit with the API and 
>>> CodeMirror.
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/Y0_eJ-5hE5s
>>>
>>> Some details: it's a new Mode for CodeMirror and it is used through a 
>>> template to enable editing directly in view mode. The idea is to have it 
>>> always editable and always viewed as markup format. The arrows you see in 
>>> front of the Tiddler links are Codemirror widgets.
>>> I could imagine adding something like /TODO or similar.
>>>
>>> I think it'll be nice paired with saqimtiaz's streams :)
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>> Michael
>>>
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[tw5] Re: A design Concept and Free Button read-date stamp

TT,

Thanks for reporting the bug, I have fixed it and riposted, as I expect you 
can see.

>
> IMO this needs to be DEMO WIKI with docs, not a download.
>
> Its hard to understand the aim otherwise.
>
>
This suggests to me the idea is a viable method. Because you are asking it 
to be hosted and demoed online. It was a simple and recent discovery I 
wanted to share and discuss.

I attached the examples to help in the discussion. There is no site to 
demo, only some examples of a method here.
In future I hope to use the new share tiddlers plugin and open it in a 
version of my playground wiki.
Until I get a time efficient method for demos I find it a chore that I cant 
afford to use time for.
I am working on Automation to build demo/distribution wikis, however to do 
this well I need an idea of what is standard and acceptable practice.
I was criticised (constructively) in the past, when I included some 
differences from empty.html in a demo wiki.

Any published solution/demo/repository should in my view include a 
repository of autonomous fields to drag and drop to a wiki, Eventually 
taking the most popular and placing them in a library. I really want people 
to be able to make use of fields a lot more, especially new users.

As Diego pointed out there are a number of well known needs such as touch 
date. If we can provide a number of autonomous fields it will encourage a 
defacto field naming standard as well.

What do you think?

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: A design Concept and Free Button read-date stamp

Diego,

Yes, I have a touch-date as well. I have already built one with this 
method, in this case and like the read date, it does not update the 
modified (and of course created) timestamp. this means the modified date 
remains meaning as it should, the last time it was modified. 

This is one reason I would like to see free access to custom buttons that 
do a time stamp because if not available people start using created and 
modified for other purposes, when being able to maintain valid created and 
modified is important.

Also as I stated previously one of the easiest ways to deal with periodic 
tiddlers such as say weekly, is each time you action it stamp the 
weekly-date with now, and have you list use the weekly date to see items 
older than 7 days. 

Thanks for sharing your uses.

TW Tones

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 3:50:14 AM UTC+10, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> As I read a lot of academic papers that have tiddlers, I have implemented 
> a "touched" button on my tiddlers tagged with "paper". When I click that 
> button, it does as you describe - update the touched field. Then, I 
> frequently sort by "touched", as a way for me to see when papers keep 
> bubbling up on my list! 
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 11:38:44 PM UTC-5, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Introducing the *Autonomous field*
>>
>> I love tiddlywiki and discovered another really nice code pattern and 
>> thought I would share, 
>> This is  something I plan to use in a blog I am building
>>
>> This is what I call an Autonomous field, there is a single tiddler in the 
>> attached file read-date.json
>>
>>- Autonomous means works on its own. 
>>- This tiddler is a button, a field definition, a view template and 
>>configurable tiddler all in one.
>>- This particular example places a button on all tiddlers that match 
>>its internal display-filter
>>- If the field does not exist on any tiddler on which it is displayed 
>>a click will add the field with a time stamp of now
>>- This shows how you can timestamp a date on a field to indicate you 
>>have read it
>>- You could make the button disappear, but I leave it there so you 
>>can stamp it "read" again.
>>- Using fields can keep you tags free for ad-hoc relationships.
>>
>> For those interested here is the code
>>
>>
>> title: read-date
>> display-filter: [all[current]!is[system]]
>> display-tags: $:/tags/ViewToolbar
>> field-format: [UTC]0MM0DD0hh0mm0ss0XXX
>> icon: $:/core/images/timestamp-on
>> tags: $:/tags/ViewToolbar
>> tooltip: Re-Stamp a read now (read-date)
>> tooltip-off: Stamp a read now (read-date)
>>
>>
>> <$list filter={{read-date!!display-filter}} variable=nul>
>> <$wikify name=read-date text="""<$macrocall $name=now 
>> format={{read-date!!field-format}}/>""">
>> <$list filter="[all[current]!has[read-date]]" variable=nul>
>> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip={{read-date!!tooltip-off}} 
>> >
>>  {{$:/core/images/timestamp-off}}
>>  <$action-setfield $field=read-date $value=<> />
>>  
>> 
>> <$list filter="[all[current]has[read-date]]" variable=nul>
>> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip={{read-date!!tooltip}} >
>>  {{$:/core/images/timestamp-on}}
>>  <$action-setfield $field=read-date $value=<> 
>> $timestamp=no />
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>
>> All I need to do;
>>
>>- is fix its text when behind the more button.
>>
>>
>> I would love to hear what you think, and how we could take this further.
>>
>>
>>- This method could include macros
>>- If we could identify we are looking at the tiddler itself and not 
>>in the toolbar, we could list tiddlers with this field and in date order 
>>etc...
>>   - I have just not researched this yet.
>>
>> Questions!
>>
>>- What other fields can you imagine world work here?
>>- What macro would you like?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> TW Tones
>>
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[tw5] Re: Alternatives to the fullscreen editor plugin?

I'd try find him and ask him.

I think that editor was only an experiment. He maybe would be pleased to 
push it on into longer term stability.

Since then he has done a lot of work in the TW eBook version. He is a 
skilled TW programmer.

Best wishes
TT

On Wednesday, 24 June 2020 00:11:27 UTC+2, si wrote:
>
> I've been using http://j.d.fullscreen.tiddlyspot.com/, but it doesn't 
> seem to work with v5.22 (you can't save the edited tiddler).
>
> Are there any alternatives out there?
>
> Edit: I know about the CodeMirror Fullscreen plugin, but unfortunately 
> CodeMirror doesn't work with Edit-CompText 
> , which I rely on all the 
> time. If anyone knows of an alternative to Edit-CompText that does work 
> with CodeMirror I'd love to hear it.
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[tw5] Re: Alternatives to the fullscreen editor plugin?

I remember looking at this briefly when I first added a second story to 
TiddlyBlink.

IIRC, the EditTemplate in the plugin is missing the save-tiddler-actions.

You could try copying them from $:/core/ui/EditTemplate to the top of the 
EditTemplate in the plugin.
Hopefully I remember those details correctly but it should be something 
very close to that.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 12:11:27 AM UTC+2, si wrote:
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> I've been using http://j.d.fullscreen.tiddlyspot.com/, but it doesn't 
> seem to work with v5.22 (you can't save the edited tiddler).
>
> Are there any alternatives out there?
>

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[tw5] Re: Alternatives to the fullscreen editor plugin?

2020-06-23 Thread si

Ahh I should have mentioned that. CodeMirror doesn't work with Edit-CompText 
, which is probably the plugin 
I use the most

If you know of an alternative to Edit-CompText that does I'd love to know 
about it!

On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 23:15:35 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> What about the code mirror fullscreen plugin?
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 3:11:27 PM UTC-7, si wrote:
>>
>> I've been using http://j.d.fullscreen.tiddlyspot.com/, but it doesn't 
>> seem to work with v5.22 (you can't save the edited tiddler).
>>
>> Are there any alternatives out there?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Alternatives to the fullscreen editor plugin?

2020-06-23 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

What about the code mirror fullscreen plugin?

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 3:11:27 PM UTC-7, si wrote:
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> I've been using http://j.d.fullscreen.tiddlyspot.com/, but it doesn't 
> seem to work with v5.22 (you can't save the edited tiddler).
>
> Are there any alternatives out there?
>

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[tw5] Alternatives to the fullscreen editor plugin?

2020-06-23 Thread si

I've been using http://j.d.fullscreen.tiddlyspot.com/, but it doesn't seem 
to work with v5.22 (you can't save the edited tiddler).

Are there any alternatives out there?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

By 'what a goon' I was of course referring to snowgoon...

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 4:53:09 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> What a goon. :-)
>
> But seriously, thanks for the good news, and I will await further news!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:31 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>
>> @Dave snowgoon replied and it looks like he wants to merge it. But he 
>> also mentioned that he is a bit busy and also doesn't have too much 
>> experience with pull requests and hasn't worked with his TW development for 
>> a while... so it may take some time.
>>
>> https://github.com/snowgoon88/TW5-extendedit/pull/17
>>
>>  I will try to remember to drop a note here once it gets merged.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 9:12:19 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Saq
>>>
>>> In mid-June you mentioned a pull request to make the comptext plugin 
>>> compatible. Will you let us know here if that happens? Autocomplete would 
>>> be a big help in making this a lightning fast tool. I have avoided this 
>>> thread / using Streams for a long while, to focus on other things during a 
>>> very busy season. But I can see this being really handy for contacts, on 
>>> hand info, to do lists, etc. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 4:44:31 PM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Edited (09/06/2020)
 This is in active development. Back up your wiki regularly.

 Demo:
 https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html

 *Code:*
 https://github.com/saqimtiaz/streams

 ---

 When I'm under the weather I tend to prototype. Spent some time 
 reworking code from my eternally in progress task manager in an attempt to 
 make it more general purpose, as a bullet list note taking tool that may 
 be 
 of utility to others. 


 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SB06s13tj8P3cC2UewnfzXf08UQ7jwYK/view?usp=drivesdk


 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SLESm6OIfHsScwYePGOs5ce3o3wpQ0CO/view?usp=drivesdk

 - everything except the dragging is keyboard driven
 - each bullet is a separate tiddler. Lots of different pros and cons to 
 this approach, but was ideal for a task manager.
 - this is all in wikitext, no extra JS.

  Will post the file in the near future, a bit more clean up needed. 
 Don't expect a final product, but rather a pattern to follow that would 
 hopefully help anyone wanting to implement similar workflow. 

 Cheers,
 Saq



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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

Here is an idea for a feature, as if you didn't have enough to think about!

On the menu, you could have an option to copy the title of the tiddler to 
the clipboard. That way you can paste it elsewhere and transcludify it.

You have an option for clicking shift and dragging it, to copy it, but that 
wasn't working for me, and also it requires having both tiddlers open 
beforehand. By copying it to clipboard, you can add it to as many tiddlers 
as you want, by opening them and pasting. Just a thought.

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 4:44:31 PM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Edited (09/06/2020)
> This is in active development. Back up your wiki regularly.
>
> Demo:
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
>
> *Code:*
> https://github.com/saqimtiaz/streams
>
> ---
>
> When I'm under the weather I tend to prototype. Spent some time reworking 
> code from my eternally in progress task manager in an attempt to make it 
> more general purpose, as a bullet list note taking tool that may be of 
> utility to others. 
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SB06s13tj8P3cC2UewnfzXf08UQ7jwYK/view?usp=drivesdk
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SLESm6OIfHsScwYePGOs5ce3o3wpQ0CO/view?usp=drivesdk
>
> - everything except the dragging is keyboard driven
> - each bullet is a separate tiddler. Lots of different pros and cons to 
> this approach, but was ideal for a task manager.
> - this is all in wikitext, no extra JS.
>
>  Will post the file in the near future, a bit more clean up needed. Don't 
> expect a final product, but rather a pattern to follow that would hopefully 
> help anyone wanting to implement similar workflow. 
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Presenting]: STROLL official rollout!

2020-06-23 Thread 波普

Hi TW Tones,

Thank you for your reply. I thought Saq had another discussion on this 
issue, and david explained the situation, so I will follow this discussion 
from time to time, hoping to solve my problem. 

Bop 

在2020年6月23日星期二 UTC+8 上午8:27:10 写道：

> 波普
>
> I presume that is your name?,  First Saq Frequents this forum but he has 
> also stated he needed to give less attention to tiddlywiki for a little 
> while.
>
> In this case Saq is Helping David with the development so It may not be 
> useful to contact Saq direct.
>
> However, If you look in google forums and use the drop down on a post of 
> any user you can "reply privately to Author", this will send an email to 
> that users registered email address,
> it is their choice if they reply to your direct message, thus giving you 
> their private email. I suggest if you do this, you explain why you 
> contacted them privately,
> however you would be best communicating with authors in a public thread.
>
> Regards
> TW Tones
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:19:58 AM UTC+10, 波普 wrote:
>>
>> Hi David
>>
>> Thank you very much. Where can I contact him?  
>>
>> 在2020年6月22日星期一 UTC+8 下午9:38:11 写道：
>>
>>> Hi Bop
>>>
>>> I passed your question to Saq Imtiaz, who created the Stories plugin. 
>>> Hopefully he will have a hack that you could use for this.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-5 波普 wrote:
>>>
 Hi David,

 When I click the “show right column” buttom, can it hide the sidebar 
 automatically to get the maximum display range?
 This can reduce one click and is very useful when I switch Tiddlymap.

 Thank you!

 Bop

 在 2020年5月7日星期四 UTC+8下午11:04:17，David Gifford写道：

> Hi everyone
>
> Stroll is a TiddlyWiki adaptation imitating certain features of Roam 
> to help users easily see connections between their notes and navigate 
> between them. Features include:
>
>- bi-directional links, 
>- autocompletion when linking, 
>- renaming of links upon changing tiddler titles, 
>- side-by-side editing of multiple notes. 
>
> Stroll is the successor to TiddlyBlink. I do not plan to update 
> TiddlyBlink (or its cousin Idea Stew) from here on out, except may be to 
> upgrade to new versions of TiddlyWiki.
>
> I have uploaded Stroll to its official home: 
> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html.
>
> I am hoping that its detailed tutorial will help introduce TiddlyWiki 
> to a new generation of non-techy users. I am also hoping that its 
> similarity to Roam will make it attractive to those who enjoy Roam but 
> are 
> concerned about privacy issues for some of their information, or who 
> won't 
> be able to afford Roam when it begins charging a subscription.
>
> Thank you to everyone who gave me feedback during the experimental 
> phase, and especially to Saq Imtiaz for creating and adapting his Stories 
> plugin for Stroll's needs. And thanks to all of you *in advance* for 
> your continued feedback and your promotion of Stroll as an easy way of 
> getting people added to the TiddlyWiki community.
>
> Blessings.
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

What a goon. :-)

But seriously, thanks for the good news, and I will await further news!





On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:31 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> @Dave snowgoon replied and it looks like he wants to merge it. But he also
> mentioned that he is a bit busy and also doesn't have too much experience
> with pull requests and hasn't worked with his TW development for a while...
> so it may take some time.
>
> https://github.com/snowgoon88/TW5-extendedit/pull/17
>
>  I will try to remember to drop a note here once it gets merged.
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 9:12:19 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi Saq
>>
>> In mid-June you mentioned a pull request to make the comptext plugin
>> compatible. Will you let us know here if that happens? Autocomplete would
>> be a big help in making this a lightning fast tool. I have avoided this
>> thread / using Streams for a long while, to focus on other things during a
>> very busy season. But I can see this being really handy for contacts, on
>> hand info, to do lists, etc.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 4:44:31 PM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Edited (09/06/2020)
>>> This is in active development. Back up your wiki regularly.
>>>
>>> Demo:
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
>>>
>>> *Code:*
>>> https://github.com/saqimtiaz/streams
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> When I'm under the weather I tend to prototype. Spent some time
>>> reworking code from my eternally in progress task manager in an attempt to
>>> make it more general purpose, as a bullet list note taking tool that may be
>>> of utility to others.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SB06s13tj8P3cC2UewnfzXf08UQ7jwYK/view?usp=drivesdk
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SLESm6OIfHsScwYePGOs5ce3o3wpQ0CO/view?usp=drivesdk
>>>
>>> - everything except the dragging is keyboard driven
>>> - each bullet is a separate tiddler. Lots of different pros and cons to
>>> this approach, but was ideal for a task manager.
>>> - this is all in wikitext, no extra JS.
>>>
>>>  Will post the file in the near future, a bit more clean up needed.
>>> Don't expect a final product, but rather a pattern to follow that would
>>> hopefully help anyone wanting to implement similar workflow.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets


>
>
>
> Also I've tried to install your modified edit-comptext (the one you linked 
> on snowgoon's GitHub for demo purposes) : once I setup the 
> $:/config/EditorTypeMappings/text/vnd.tiddlywiki to `text` instead of 
> `comptext`, I still have auto-completion in editor view, but not in Streams 
> (i mean that when I'm editing text in a Streams tree, I don't have 
> auto-completion). I don't know if it's the normal behavior with the current 
> implementation (i figure it's not), just wanted to let you know.
>

That integration is currently disabled because:
a) no one should be using a modified and patched version of a plugin that 
will likely clash with future updates.
b) after I made that pull request I realized the key handling for the two 
plugins will likely clash and I have not had the time to investigate yet. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Presenting]: STROLL official rollout!

2020-06-23 Thread 波普

Hi David,

Thank you for your reply. I will try this method. If I fail, I will come 
back from time to time to see if there is any correct way. 

Bop 

在2020年6月23日星期二 UTC+8 上午6:49:08 写道：

> Hi oha, I don't think it would be proper for me to give you his contact 
> data. I did tell him it was this thread, so he can answer you here when he 
> has time. I think the answer is to alter this tiddler 
> ($:/_sq/Stories/Templates/StoryToggleMenu) and add a part of this tiddler 
> ($:/core/ui/TopBar/menu), so that the button in the first tiddler does both 
> actions at once. But I am not sure.
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 5:20 PM 波普  wrote:
>
>> Hi David
>>
>> Thank you very much. Where can I contact him?  
>>
>> 在2020年6月22日星期一 UTC+8 下午9:38:11 写道：
>>
>>> Hi Bop
>>>
>>> I passed your question to Saq Imtiaz, who created the Stories plugin. 
>>> Hopefully he will have a hack that you could use for this.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-5 波普 wrote:
>>>
 Hi David,

 When I click the “show right column” buttom, can it hide the sidebar 
 automatically to get the maximum display range?
 This can reduce one click and is very useful when I switch Tiddlymap.

 Thank you!

 Bop

 在 2020年5月7日星期四 UTC+8下午11:04:17，David Gifford写道：

> Hi everyone
>
> Stroll is a TiddlyWiki adaptation imitating certain features of Roam 
> to help users easily see connections between their notes and navigate 
> between them. Features include:
>
>- bi-directional links, 
>- autocompletion when linking, 
>- renaming of links upon changing tiddler titles, 
>- side-by-side editing of multiple notes. 
>
> Stroll is the successor to TiddlyBlink. I do not plan to update 
> TiddlyBlink (or its cousin Idea Stew) from here on out, except may be to 
> upgrade to new versions of TiddlyWiki.
>
> I have uploaded Stroll to its official home: 
> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html.
>
> I am hoping that its detailed tutorial will help introduce TiddlyWiki 
> to a new generation of non-techy users. I am also hoping that its 
> similarity to Roam will make it attractive to those who enjoy Roam but 
> are 
> concerned about privacy issues for some of their information, or who 
> won't 
> be able to afford Roam when it begins charging a subscription.
>
> Thank you to everyone who gave me feedback during the experimental 
> phase, and especially to Saq Imtiaz for creating and adapting his Stories 
> plugin for Stroll's needs. And thanks to all of you *in advance* for 
> your continued feedback and your promotion of Stroll as an easy way of 
> getting people added to the TiddlyWiki community.
>
> Blessings.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Preview: RapidTiddler

2020-06-23 Thread Michael Arndt

Hi Tony

> Given your one line example in the video makes me ask can we use this to
edit fields as well?, it would be great to be able to build a list field if
tiddler titles from keyboard entry, as you example does (without the
additional text). People could use it to build a list of tiddlers that want
to include in an export from memory.
That should be possible and single line is my goal. However CodeMirror
doesn’t support that out of the box, it should work with some code though.

>
>- Could re enter a filter to select more than one title?
>
> You mean a list of Tiddlers? That would be a different mode in CM terms,
and each auto-complete invocation would likely only give a list where the
user can choose one entry. That is done in JS so if you know likely
combinations you could include that in the list.

>
>- Could we allow transclusions rather than links to be placed in the
>text (Perhaps not transcluding in your view editor)?
>
> great idea, I just implemented that today. (See /todo). Once rendered the
transclusions are not updated til something triggers a re-render though.
And I needed to edit the CM plugin a bit.

>
>- Could we provide an additional list or filter to the predictive
>process such as a list of macronames that the predictive text would insert
><>  (Perhaps not rendering in your view editor)?
>
> yes

>
>-
>- Perhaps the ability to toggle if transclusions or macros are
>rendered in this view/update mode.
>
> not sure about that one. Would need some control to do that and wire that
up wir the CM instance. Need to look further how that might work (first
time TW and first time CM user here 😅)


Thanks for your interest!
Michael

>
>-
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:09:04 AM UTC+10, Michael Arndt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I'm new to TiddlyWiki. However, I missed something for very quickly
>> writing something down, so I played around a bit with the API and
>> CodeMirror.
>> What do you think?
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Y0_eJ-5hE5s
>>
>> Some details: it's a new Mode for CodeMirror and it is used through a
>> template to enable editing directly in view mode. The idea is to have it
>> always editable and always viewed as markup format. The arrows you see in
>> front of the Tiddler links are Codemirror widgets.
>> I could imagine adding something like /TODO or similar.
>>
>> I think it'll be nice paired with saqimtiaz's streams :)
>>
>> Greetings
>> Michael
>>
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[tw5] Tutorial on how to contribute to tiddlywiki documentation

2020-06-23 Thread Joshua Fontany

Mahalo! (Thanks!)

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

Birthe

One thing you miss in what I wrote is it actually assumes people are 
sensitive if they probe THIS far. And they are not looking for what the dog 
uses.

All your points are good. There *simply reinforce what I wrote*. Most are 
interested in SOLUTIONS.

Solutions in software relate to "application" fields. In TW we have no 
decent SHOWCSE of them. Full stop.

TT

On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 22:48:19 UTC+2, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT,
>
> If you are that common, you will not look around for applications, you 
> will use what everybody and your dog are using.
> Still dedicated example wikis are good. A starting point for the new user.
>
> The general audience or potential user, is a user, that want something 
> that works a little different and is prepared to put some effort into it. 
> The user that knows, that things worthwhile, are often taking some time to 
> learn. That is why we have to reassure the potential user, that TW5 is 
> worthwhile and that this group offers great and friendly help.
>
> That is also why I liked Eric Shulmans tagline. Not too heavy and scaring  
> - but also sending a message to more techy users, that more is to be found 
> - and that more has to be listed.
>
> Tony democratization is about power to the user, the techy and the not so 
> techy ones. (The ones that need it most, i might add.)
>
> Birthe
>
>
> WHAT is a general audience?
>>
>> I'd say IF you not an uber-tech you interested in APPLICATIONS. TW 
>> DEDICATED to discrete ends. 
>>
>
>  
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

2020-06-23 Thread Birthe C

TT,

If you are that common, you will not look around for applications, you will 
use what everybody and your dog are using.
Still dedicated example wikis are good. A starting point for the new user.

The general audience or potential user, is a user, that want something that 
works a little different and is prepared to put some effort into it. The 
user that knows, that things worthwhile, are often taking some time to 
learn. That is why we have to reassure the potential user, that TW5 is 
worthwhile and that this group offers great and friendly help.

That is also why I liked Eric Shulmans tagline. Not too heavy and scaring  
- but also sending a message to more techy users, that more is to be found 
- and that more has to be listed.

Tony democratization is about power to the user, the techy and the not so 
techy ones. (The ones that need it most, i might add.)

Birthe


WHAT is a general audience?
>
> I'd say IF you not an uber-tech you interested in APPLICATIONS. TW 
> DEDICATED to discrete ends. 
>

 
 

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

2020-06-23 Thread _Phi / hpx1

yes I was referring to drag-n-dropping non-streams tiddlers in a tree, and 
I can confirm the broken behavior with the latest version of stream.

Also I've tried to install your modified edit-comptext (the one you linked 
on snowgoon's GitHub for demo purposes) : once I setup the 
$:/config/EditorTypeMappings/text/vnd.tiddlywiki to `text` instead of 
`comptext`, I still have auto-completion in editor view, but not in Streams 
(i mean that when I'm editing text in a Streams tree, I don't have 
auto-completion). I don't know if it's the normal behavior with the current 
implementation (i figure it's not), just wanted to let you know.

thanks again for the great plugin, cheers.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:33:34 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Can you confirm that just dragging and dropping in isn't working? 
>
> That feature was there since the start. If it isn't working now let me 
> know, there must have been a regression when I did the big refactoring a 
> while back. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 7:50:30 PM UTC+2, _Phi / hpx1 wrote:
>>
>> is there a way to insert an existing tiddler (one that is not part of any 
>> stream) into an existing stream by drag-n-dropping it in the tree ? I 
>> currently edit the child list/parent list of the tiddlers manually, but I 
>> guess there is a better way.
>>
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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

 OGNSYA wrote:
>
> Love what Tones wrote about democratization. 
>

Tones is very seductive. :) Likely wrong. :)

It would be great if TiddlyWiki could be something that not only 
> technically-minded people feel they can get into, but also the more general 
> audice (since I see myself in between those two groups, much closer to the 
> second). Which is why I have been asking these questions...
>

WHAT is a general audience?

I'd say IF you not an uber-tech you interested in APPLICATIONS. TW 
DEDICATED to discrete ends. 

So applications seems a common sensible route. Most users have no interest 
in infinite thought on the meaning of whatever. They simply trying to DO 
things.

WHERE is the list of Wiki DEDICATED TO END PURPOSES? Categorized by purpose?

Best wishes
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Preview: RapidTiddler

2020-06-23 Thread Michael Arndt

Made a little live demo deployment here https://rapidtiddler.netlify.app/


Am Mo., 22. Juni 2020 um 02:18 Uhr schrieb TW Tones <
anthony.mus...@gmail.com>:

> Michael,
>
> Looks interesting, thanks for contributing to the community.
>
> a few quick thoughts;
>
>- I believe others have worked on predictive links including in the
>standard editor, but these things tend to not work in code mirror so this
>would be a good complement.
>- It would be nice if such a feature could be toggled in the editor,
>exactly what we need sometimes, a possible description at other times.
>- It would be nice if the method could be used elsewhere, on an input
>field, etc...
>
> Given your one line example in the video makes me ask can we use this to
> edit fields as well?, it would be great to be able to build a list field if
> tiddler titles from keyboard entry, as you example does (without the
> additional text). People could use it to build a list of tiddlers that want
> to include in an export from memory.
>
> By the way my own convention is to call editing in the view template as
> update mode, ie one is updating the tiddler, not using the full tiddlywiki
> edit template. However users of a wiki without tiddlywiki knowledge may
> call it edit mode. What ever its called we designers and developers should
> make sure it is clear on our discussions.
>
> So then I speculate
>
>- Could re enter a filter to select more than one title?
>- Could we allow transclusions rather than links to be placed in the
>text (Perhaps not transcluding in your view editor)?
>- Could we provide an additional list or filter to the predictive
>process such as a list of macronames that the predictive text would insert
><>  (Perhaps not rendering in your view editor)?
>- Perhaps the ability to toggle if transclusions or macros are
>rendered in this view/update mode.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:09:04 AM UTC+10, Michael Arndt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I'm new to TiddlyWiki. However, I missed something for very quickly
>> writing something down, so I played around a bit with the API and
>> CodeMirror.
>> What do you think?
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Y0_eJ-5hE5s
>>
>> Some details: it's a new Mode for CodeMirror and it is used through a
>> template to enable editing directly in view mode. The idea is to have it
>> always editable and always viewed as markup format. The arrows you see in
>> front of the Tiddler links are Codemirror widgets.
>> I could imagine adding something like /TODO or similar.
>>
>> I think it'll be nice paired with saqimtiaz's streams :)
>>
>> Greetings
>> Michael
>>
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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

Yeah. BUT.

There seem enormous problems to solve.

I doubt, very much, it is coming to your ares soon.

I can't see it anywhere near a basic option yet. Or ever.

TT

On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 20:52:19 UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 5:31:45 PM UTC+2, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
> ...
>
>> OGNSYA has interest in usage patterns.
>>
>> My query now:* How Relevant Is Beaker Browser to TW Uptake?*
>>
> ...
>
>
> The whole system *can *have a very high impact. The hyper-protocol is a 
> "federated system" by design. They call it hyper-swarm, we call it 
> federation. 
>
> The underlying mechanisms used by HYPER protocol are complex. Beaker 
> Browser is a GUI, that abstracts some of this complexity away, to be useful 
> for "tech folks".
>
> We need to "abstract" this complexity away to be useable for TW users. 
> Once we have a practicable workflow for our users, it can have a big impact 
> for TW. ... 
>
> There are some new terms, which are "alien" for the TW community atm. .. 
> So we need to understand them and translate them into "our way of 
> thinking". 
>
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

@Dave snowgoon replied and it looks like he wants to merge it. But he also 
mentioned that he is a bit busy and also doesn't have too much experience 
with pull requests and hasn't worked with his TW development for a while... 
so it may take some time.

https://github.com/snowgoon88/TW5-extendedit/pull/17

 I will try to remember to drop a note here once it gets merged.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 9:12:19 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi Saq
>
> In mid-June you mentioned a pull request to make the comptext plugin 
> compatible. Will you let us know here if that happens? Autocomplete would 
> be a big help in making this a lightning fast tool. I have avoided this 
> thread / using Streams for a long while, to focus on other things during a 
> very busy season. But I can see this being really handy for contacts, on 
> hand info, to do lists, etc. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 4:44:31 PM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Edited (09/06/2020)
>> This is in active development. Back up your wiki regularly.
>>
>> Demo:
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
>>
>> *Code:*
>> https://github.com/saqimtiaz/streams
>>
>> ---
>>
>> When I'm under the weather I tend to prototype. Spent some time reworking 
>> code from my eternally in progress task manager in an attempt to make it 
>> more general purpose, as a bullet list note taking tool that may be of 
>> utility to others. 
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SB06s13tj8P3cC2UewnfzXf08UQ7jwYK/view?usp=drivesdk
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SLESm6OIfHsScwYePGOs5ce3o3wpQ0CO/view?usp=drivesdk
>>
>> - everything except the dragging is keyboard driven
>> - each bullet is a separate tiddler. Lots of different pros and cons to 
>> this approach, but was ideal for a task manager.
>> - this is all in wikitext, no extra JS.
>>
>>  Will post the file in the near future, a bit more clean up needed. Don't 
>> expect a final product, but rather a pattern to follow that would hopefully 
>> help anyone wanting to implement similar workflow. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

Yes dragging in non-Stream tiddlers was supported from the start. So if it 
doesn't work now it regressed in the refactoring. 

Issues like this is why I am delaying further work on this until I have the 
time to do it properly.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 9:00:14 PM UTC+2, OGNSYA wrote:
>
> I think he meant dragging in "non-Stream" tiddlers.
>
> This is also something I miss in Stream. Alongside the option to have a 
> node appear in multiple different places, not just as a transclusion.
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 7:33:34 PM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> Can you confirm that just dragging and dropping in isn't working? 
>>
>> That feature was there since the start. If it isn't working now let me 
>> know, there must have been a regression when I did the big refactoring a 
>> while back. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 7:50:30 PM UTC+2, _Phi / hpx1 wrote:
>>>
>>> is there a way to insert an existing tiddler (one that is not part of 
>>> any stream) into an existing stream by drag-n-dropping it in the tree ? I 
>>> currently edit the child list/parent list of the tiddlers manually, but I 
>>> guess there is a better way.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

Hi Saq

In mid-June you mentioned a pull request to make the comptext plugin 
compatible. Will you let us know here if that happens? Autocomplete would 
be a big help in making this a lightning fast tool. I have avoided this 
thread / using Streams for a long while, to focus on other things during a 
very busy season. But I can see this being really handy for contacts, on 
hand info, to do lists, etc. 

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 4:44:31 PM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Edited (09/06/2020)
> This is in active development. Back up your wiki regularly.
>
> Demo:
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
>
> *Code:*
> https://github.com/saqimtiaz/streams
>
> ---
>
> When I'm under the weather I tend to prototype. Spent some time reworking 
> code from my eternally in progress task manager in an attempt to make it 
> more general purpose, as a bullet list note taking tool that may be of 
> utility to others. 
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SB06s13tj8P3cC2UewnfzXf08UQ7jwYK/view?usp=drivesdk
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SLESm6OIfHsScwYePGOs5ce3o3wpQ0CO/view?usp=drivesdk
>
> - everything except the dragging is keyboard driven
> - each bullet is a separate tiddler. Lots of different pros and cons to 
> this approach, but was ideal for a task manager.
> - this is all in wikitext, no extra JS.
>
>  Will post the file in the near future, a bit more clean up needed. Don't 
> expect a final product, but rather a pattern to follow that would hopefully 
> help anyone wanting to implement similar workflow. 
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

2020-06-23 Thread OGNSYA

I think he meant dragging in "non-Stream" tiddlers.

This is also something I miss in Stream. Alongside the option to have a 
node appear in multiple different places, not just as a transclusion.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 7:33:34 PM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Can you confirm that just dragging and dropping in isn't working? 
>
> That feature was there since the start. If it isn't working now let me 
> know, there must have been a regression when I did the big refactoring a 
> while back. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 7:50:30 PM UTC+2, _Phi / hpx1 wrote:
>>
>> is there a way to insert an existing tiddler (one that is not part of any 
>> stream) into an existing stream by drag-n-dropping it in the tree ? I 
>> currently edit the child list/parent list of the tiddlers manually, but I 
>> guess there is a better way.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

2020-06-23 Thread OGNSYA

Love what Tones wrote about democratization. 

It would be great if TiddlyWiki could be something that not only 
technically-minded people feel they can get into, but also the more general 
audice (since I see myself in between those two groups, much closer to the 
second). Which is why I have been asking these questions...

I'd be careful about presenting all those (amazing) ideas all at once to a 
new user though. 
If the idea is to reach a wider audience, maybe it makes more sense to go 
step by step.

   1. Present TW as a free, lightweight, simple, flexible tool for taking 
   notes and organize content of all shapes and sizes. 
   (Definitely mention that it is infinitely extensible, but not in a way 
   that would make it seem like it's a requirement to get into that.)
   2. The user should then be able to use TW to do *a lot* without going 
   under the hood
   3. However the option to go further/deeper is always there, available to 
   the user, as menus items. Ready for when they feel confident to try it out.

I think TW is already very close to that as it is.

I like the discussion about the tagline. It definitely helps in 
understanding a broader strategy.

"Private/Public Content Management System" might be a bit too heavy... 
"Powerful Portable Programmable Platform for People" sounds cool, but maybe 
too vague. I liked Tones' use of the term "DIY" in this context (I never 
realized how DIY tends to always refer to physical/material stuff, as 
opposed to digital).

As I explained above, I'd suggest avoiding overwhelming people.
Maybe something with a lighter tone, like:

   - TiddlyWiki: make sense of your information, in a way that makes sense 
   to you

I also like the metaphor of a garden, which I see a lot in discussions 
about granular approaches to content management. But maybe not as a 
tagline... It does tend to sound a bit to hippy for those who don't get it.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 5:44:03 PM UTC+1, OGNSYA wrote:
>
> I'm curious to know what type of people uses TiddlyWiki currently, and 
> what type of people the project wants to reach?
>
> I believe that discussing this might help inform many of the conversations 
> that have been going on, such as the Getting Started page, and the 
> UI/workflow redesign. 
>
> In case this is not known, here are a few possible guide questions to help 
> estimate:
> (I included an initial answer in all of them, just as a starting point):
>
>- *What type of people uses TW? *(considering only those who 
>create/develop)
>(49% coders, 49% casual coders, 2% non-coders?)
>- *How do they use TW?* (considering only those who create/develop)
>(50% very basic usage, 30% uses several features/plugins, 15% 
>hack/develop plugins, 5% experts?)
>- *What proportion of internet users use TW on a frequent basis?* (2% 
>edit/view, 3% as viewers only?)
>- *How many internet users are coders? *(in general, regardless of TW)
>   - Non-coders (98.5%?)
>   - Casual coders (0.5%?)
>   - Coders (1%?)
>
> This is intentionally very simplified, especially because most of these 
> questions can't be answered objectively. Regardless, knowing the 
> community's perception of them is already very useful. This is meant to be 
> a first draft. Please feel free to correct/suggest changes. (For the 
> guesses, I partly used some data found online. )
>
> *Edit (2020/06/18): to account for view-only users*
>

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[tw5] Re: MS Teams and tiddlywiki

Its just terminology. I don't think it bad you wrote "MS". But I think it 
better to be explicit on First call. Saves confusion on common English 
acronyms.

Yes, I do have it.

TT

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 5:31:45 PM UTC+2, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
...

> OGNSYA has interest in usage patterns.
>
> My query now:* How Relevant Is Beaker Browser to TW Uptake?*
>
...

The whole system *can *have a very high impact. The hyper-protocol is a 
"federated system" by design. They call it hyper-swarm, we call it 
federation. 

The underlying mechanisms used by HYPER protocol are complex. Beaker 
Browser is a GUI, that abstracts some of this complexity away, to be useful 
for "tech folks".

We need to "abstract" this complexity away to be useable for TW users. Once 
we have a practicable workflow for our users, it can have a big impact for 
TW. ... 

There are some new terms, which are "alien" for the TW community atm. .. So 
we need to understand them and translate them into "our way of thinking". 

-mario

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

Can you confirm that just dragging and dropping in isn't working? 

That feature was there since the start. If it isn't working now let me 
know, there must have been a regression when I did the big refactoring a 
while back. 

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 7:50:30 PM UTC+2, _Phi / hpx1 wrote:
>
> is there a way to insert an existing tiddler (one that is not part of any 
> stream) into an existing stream by drag-n-dropping it in the tree ? I 
> currently edit the child list/parent list of the tiddlers manually, but I 
> guess there is a better way.
>

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[tw5] Re: MS Teams and tiddlywiki

2020-06-23 Thread Ste Wilson

To clarify... Anybody with any exist pangs of TW / share point and Microsoft 
Teams

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[tw5] Re: MS Teams and tiddlywiki

2020-06-23 Thread Ste Wilson

Microsoft Teams. 

Sorry. 

I do NOT have MS. 

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[tw5] Re: MS Teams and tiddlywiki

You have MS?

What is an MS Team?

On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 20:13:04 UTC+2, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> As work is moving away from moodle to MS teams I was wondering if anybody 
> had any experiance of using tiddlywiki with it. I know I can upload a wiki 
> in a chat and it can be viewed, but not eddited (Tw does the RSofE). I 
> know/ think teams is integrated with share point but that's something I've 
> never really engaged with. 
> So... Any tips/ tricks/ plugins for making team TW life better? 

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[tw5] MS Teams and tiddlywiki

2020-06-23 Thread Ste Wilson

As work is moving away from moodle to MS teams I was wondering if anybody had 
any experiance of using tiddlywiki with it. I know I can upload a wiki in a 
chat and it can be viewed, but not eddited (Tw does the RSofE). I know/ think 
teams is integrated with share point but that's something I've never really 
engaged with. 
So... Any tips/ tricks/ plugins for making team TW life better? 

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[tw5] Re: how to display external link from a link stored against an index in a data tiddler

2020-06-23 Thread Ankit Mittal

Thanks that worked... :)

On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 18:02:09 UTC+1, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 9:41:35 AM UTC-7, Ankit Mittal wrote:
>>
>> With edit / save toggle I then switch to view widget
>
> I was hoping to display the data "https://www.google.com"; as a link but 
>> it just shows it as plain text.
>> What do I need to do to make it appear as a link?
>>
>
> Instead of writing
> <$view tiddler=<> index="dt_URI"/>
>
> You can write:
> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>{{##dt_URI}}
>
> The $tiddler widget sets the context to the title produced by the macro 
> (e.g., $(currentTiddler)$-db).
> Then, the {{...}} transclusion uses "##" to retrieve the dt_URI index 
> value.
>
> You could also achieve the same results with a macro that combines the two 
> steps:
> \define showlink() {{$(currentTiddler)$-db##dt_URI}}
> which you would invoke using
> <>
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

2020-06-23 Thread _Phi / hpx1

is there a way to insert an existing tiddler (one that is not part of any 
stream) into an existing stream by drag-n-dropping it in the tree ? I 
currently edit the child list/parent list of the tiddlers manually, but I 
guess there is a better way.

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[tw5] Re: A design Concept and Free Button read-date stamp

2020-06-23 Thread Diego Mesa

Tony,

As I read a lot of academic papers that have tiddlers, I have implemented a 
"touched" button on my tiddlers tagged with "paper". When I click that 
button, it does as you describe - update the touched field. Then, I 
frequently sort by "touched", as a way for me to see when papers keep 
bubbling up on my list! 

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 11:38:44 PM UTC-5, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Introducing the *Autonomous field*
>
> I love tiddlywiki and discovered another really nice code pattern and 
> thought I would share, 
> This is  something I plan to use in a blog I am building
>
> This is what I call an Autonomous field, there is a single tiddler in the 
> attached file read-date.json
>
>- Autonomous means works on its own. 
>- This tiddler is a button, a field definition, a view template and 
>configurable tiddler all in one.
>- This particular example places a button on all tiddlers that match 
>its internal display-filter
>- If the field does not exist on any tiddler on which it is displayed 
>a click will add the field with a time stamp of now
>- This shows how you can timestamp a date on a field to indicate you 
>have read it
>- You could make the button disappear, but I leave it there so you can 
>stamp it "read" again.
>- Using fields can keep you tags free for ad-hoc relationships.
>
> For those interested here is the code
>
>
> title: read-date
> display-filter: [all[current]!is[system]]
> display-tags: $:/tags/ViewToolbar
> field-format: [UTC]0MM0DD0hh0mm0ss0XXX
> icon: $:/core/images/timestamp-on
> tags: $:/tags/ViewToolbar
> tooltip: Re-Stamp a read now (read-date)
> tooltip-off: Stamp a read now (read-date)
>
>
> <$list filter={{read-date!!display-filter}} variable=nul>
> <$wikify name=read-date text="""<$macrocall $name=now 
> format={{read-date!!field-format}}/>""">
> <$list filter="[all[current]!has[read-date]]" variable=nul>
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip={{read-date!!tooltip-off}} >
>  {{$:/core/images/timestamp-off}}
>  <$action-setfield $field=read-date $value=<> />
>  
> 
> <$list filter="[all[current]has[read-date]]" variable=nul>
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip={{read-date!!tooltip}} >
>  {{$:/core/images/timestamp-on}}
>  <$action-setfield $field=read-date $value=<> 
> $timestamp=no />
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
>
> All I need to do;
>
>- is fix its text when behind the more button.
>
>
> I would love to hear what you think, and how we could take this further.
>
>
>- This method could include macros
>- If we could identify we are looking at the tiddler itself and not in 
>the toolbar, we could list tiddlers with this field and in date order 
> etc...
>   - I have just not researched this yet.
>
> Questions!
>
>- What other fields can you imagine world work here?
>- What macro would you like?
>
>
> Regards
> TW Tones
>

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[tw5] Re: A design Concept and Free Button read-date stamp

Regardless of whether my problem is my download issue ...

IMO this needs to be DEMO WIKI with docs, not a download.

Its hard to understand the aim otherwise.

My 2 cents
TT

On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 06:38:44 UTC+2, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Introducing the *Autonomous field*
>
> I love tiddlywiki and discovered another really nice code pattern and 
> thought I would share, 
> This is  something I plan to use in a blog I am building
>
> This is what I call an Autonomous field, there is a single tiddler in the 
> attached file read-date.json
>
>- Autonomous means works on its own. 
>- This tiddler is a button, a field definition, a view template and 
>configurable tiddler all in one.
>- This particular example places a button on all tiddlers that match 
>its internal display-filter
>- If the field does not exist on any tiddler on which it is displayed 
>a click will add the field with a time stamp of now
>- This shows how you can timestamp a date on a field to indicate you 
>have read it
>- You could make the button disappear, but I leave it there so you can 
>stamp it "read" again.
>- Using fields can keep you tags free for ad-hoc relationships.
>
> For those interested here is the code
>
>
> title: read-date
> display-filter: [all[current]!is[system]]
> display-tags: $:/tags/ViewToolbar
> field-format: [UTC]0MM0DD0hh0mm0ss0XXX
> icon: $:/core/images/timestamp-on
> tags: $:/tags/ViewToolbar
> tooltip: Re-Stamp a read now (read-date)
> tooltip-off: Stamp a read now (read-date)
>
>
> <$list filter={{read-date!!display-filter}} variable=nul>
> <$wikify name=read-date text="""<$macrocall $name=now 
> format={{read-date!!field-format}}/>""">
> <$list filter="[all[current]!has[read-date]]" variable=nul>
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip={{read-date!!tooltip-off}} >
>  {{$:/core/images/timestamp-off}}
>  <$action-setfield $field=read-date $value=<> />
>  
> 
> <$list filter="[all[current]has[read-date]]" variable=nul>
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip={{read-date!!tooltip}} >
>  {{$:/core/images/timestamp-on}}
>  <$action-setfield $field=read-date $value=<> 
> $timestamp=no />
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
>
> All I need to do;
>
>- is fix its text when behind the more button.
>
>
> I would love to hear what you think, and how we could take this further.
>
>
>- This method could include macros
>- If we could identify we are looking at the tiddler itself and not in 
>the toolbar, we could list tiddlers with this field and in date order 
> etc...
>   - I have just not researched this yet.
>
> Questions!
>
>- What other fields can you imagine world work here?
>- What macro would you like?
>
>
> Regards
> TW Tones
>

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[tw5] Re: A design Concept and Free Button read-date stamp

I import & see this problem ...

[image: Annotation 2020-06-23 192041.jpg]

Best wishes
TT

T

On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 06:38:44 UTC+2, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Introducing the *Autonomous field*
>
> I love tiddlywiki and discovered another really nice code pattern and 
> thought I would share, 
> This is  something I plan to use in a blog I am building
>
> This is what I call an Autonomous field, there is a single tiddler in the 
> attached file read-date.json
>
>- Autonomous means works on its own. 
>- This tiddler is a button, a field definition, a view template and 
>configurable tiddler all in one.
>- This particular example places a button on all tiddlers that match 
>its internal display-filter
>- If the field does not exist on any tiddler on which it is displayed 
>a click will add the field with a time stamp of now
>- This shows how you can timestamp a date on a field to indicate you 
>have read it
>- You could make the button disappear, but I leave it there so you can 
>stamp it "read" again.
>- Using fields can keep you tags free for ad-hoc relationships.
>
> For those interested here is the code
>
>
> title: read-date
> display-filter: [all[current]!is[system]]
> display-tags: $:/tags/ViewToolbar
> field-format: [UTC]0MM0DD0hh0mm0ss0XXX
> icon: $:/core/images/timestamp-on
> tags: $:/tags/ViewToolbar
> tooltip: Re-Stamp a read now (read-date)
> tooltip-off: Stamp a read now (read-date)
>
>
> <$list filter={{read-date!!display-filter}} variable=nul>
> <$wikify name=read-date text="""<$macrocall $name=now 
> format={{read-date!!field-format}}/>""">
> <$list filter="[all[current]!has[read-date]]" variable=nul>
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip={{read-date!!tooltip-off}} >
>  {{$:/core/images/timestamp-off}}
>  <$action-setfield $field=read-date $value=<> />
>  
> 
> <$list filter="[all[current]has[read-date]]" variable=nul>
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip={{read-date!!tooltip}} >
>  {{$:/core/images/timestamp-on}}
>  <$action-setfield $field=read-date $value=<> 
> $timestamp=no />
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
>
> All I need to do;
>
>- is fix its text when behind the more button.
>
>
> I would love to hear what you think, and how we could take this further.
>
>
>- This method could include macros
>- If we could identify we are looking at the tiddler itself and not in 
>the toolbar, we could list tiddlers with this field and in date order 
> etc...
>   - I have just not researched this yet.
>
> Questions!
>
>- What other fields can you imagine world work here?
>- What macro would you like?
>
>
> Regards
> TW Tones
>

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[tw5] Re: how to display external link from a link stored against an index in a data tiddler

2020-06-23 Thread Eric Shulman

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 9:41:35 AM UTC-7, Ankit Mittal wrote:
>
> With edit / save toggle I then switch to view widget

I was hoping to display the data "https://www.google.com"; as a link but it 
> just shows it as plain text.
> What do I need to do to make it appear as a link?
>

Instead of writing
<$view tiddler=<> index="dt_URI"/>

You can write:
<$tiddler tiddler=<>>{{##dt_URI}}

The $tiddler widget sets the context to the title produced by the macro 
(e.g., $(currentTiddler)$-db).
Then, the {{...}} transclusion uses "##" to retrieve the dt_URI index value.

You could also achieve the same results with a macro that combines the two 
steps:
\define showlink() {{$(currentTiddler)$-db##dt_URI}}
which you would invoke using
<>

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Re: Time Tracking in TiddlyWiki?

2020-06-23 Thread si

This is fantastic Eric - thanks!

Now all I have to do is remember to start/stop the timer...

On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 09:15:44 UTC+1, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> ANOTHER BUG FIX! (much thanks to "ParisWiki" for reporting it)
>
> in showtable(), a calculation error was caused by these lines:
>
> <$vars
>elapsed_min={{{ [{!!elapsed}divide[60]trunc[]] }}}
>elapsed_minsec={{{ [multiply[60]] }}}
>elapsed_sec={{{ 
> [{!!elapsed}subtractmultiply[1000]trunc[]divide[1000]] 
> }}}>
> <$vars
>total_min={{{ [{!!total}divide[60]trunc[]] }}}
>total_minsec={{{ [multiply[60]] }}}
>total_sec={{{ 
> [{!!total}subtractmultiply[1000]trunc[]divide[1000]] 
> }}}>
>
> The problem is that the "minsec" calculation depends on the value of 
> "min", and the "sec" calculation depends on the value of "minsec".  The 
> issue is that I was using one $vars widget to calculate all three of the 
> values, but because of the dependencies, I needed to calculate them one at 
> a time, so that each calculation can correctly reference the results of the 
> previous one.
>
> The bug only appeared when the started/stopped values were at least 1 
> minute apart.  The reported minutes were correct, but the reported seconds 
> included the full minutes (expressed as seconds).
>
> For example: 
> 1287 seconds was reported as "21 minutes 1287 seconds".  However, 21 
> minutes is 1260 seconds, so it should have shown "21 minutes, 27 seconds"
> and
> 1459 seconds was reported as "24 minutes 1459 seconds".  However, 24 
> minutes is 1440 seconds, so it should have shown "21 minutes, 19 seconds"
>
> The fixed code is:
> <$vars elapsed_min={{{ [{!!elapsed}divide[60]trunc[]] }}}>
> <$vars elapsed_minsec={{{ [multiply[60]] }}}>
> <$vars elapsed_sec={{{ 
> [{!!elapsed}subtractmultiply[1000]trunc[]divide[1000]] 
> }}}>
> <$vars total_min={{{ [{!!total}divide[60]trunc[]] }}}>
> <$vars total_minsec={{{ [multiply[60]] }}}>
> <$vars total_sec={{{ 
> [{!!total}subtractmultiply[1000]trunc[]divide[1000]] 
> }}}>
>
> I've posted the revised code to
>http://TiddlyTools.com/timer.html
>
> To import the update into your own TiddlyWiki, just drag the "TaskTimer" 
> title from the sidebar listing, and drop it on your open TiddlyWiki.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
>>

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[tw5] how to display external link from a link stored against an index in a data tiddler

2020-06-23 Thread Ankit Mittal

Hi,


   - I created a form with a field that accepts a URL like 
   https://www.google.com 
   - I then saved this data against an index
   - With edit / save toggle I then switch to view widget

I was hoping to display the data "https://www.google.com"; as a link but it 
just shows it as plain text.

What do I need to do to make it appear as a link?

\define db() $(currentTiddler)$-db
\define dbformstate() $(currentTiddler)$-formstate




<$reveal type="nomatch" stateTitle=<> stateIndex="form1" text=
"show">
 

   
   <$button type="button" class="btn btn-danger" 
setTitle=<> setIndex="form1"  setTo="show">Edit
   
  

|thead-success|k
|Title|Value|h
|!URL Field |<$view tiddler=<> index="dt_URI"/>|


  
  


<$reveal type="match" stateTitle=<> stateIndex="form1" text=
"show">
   

   
   <$button type="button" class="btn btn-success" 
setTitle=<> setIndex="form1" setTo="hide">Save
   
  

|thead-danger|k
|Title|Value|h
|!URL Field |<$edit-text tag=input type=url tiddler=<> placeholder=
"https://"; index="dt_URI"/>|


  
  




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[tw5] Re: [preview] UI tweaks and doodads

I hope you will stick with it.

Its a bit of PITA  sorting difficult issues for others.

But I  think the approach is SPOT-ON design wise. 

It builds on what TW has already in a very sensible way.

I will test & report back. Couple of days.

TT

On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 17:33:32 UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> A few things that it might be useful to be aware of:
>
> - if you click a Draft in the sidebar or at the bottom of the screen, it 
> opens in the default EditTemplate and that can conflict with the inline 
> editor. Should be tweaked so the draft opens in the inline editor.
>
> - the edit button assumes everything is text. If need be, the button for 
> the core edit mode is hidden in the "more" dropdown. You could use the 
> "info" part of this with the regular editing mechanism as well.
>
> - if you edit a field, you need to click to the save button for that 
> field. It would be useful if it turned red to indicate the value had 
> changed.
>
> Probably lots of other quirks around too, as this wasn't really developed 
> with the intention of being for general distribution. Should be possible to 
> clean it up if there is interest.
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 5:12:21 PM UTC+2, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Very impressive work!
>>
>> Yeah, it good its flagged ... *Daleks At Work*
>>
>> [image: Annotation 2020-06-23 170552.jpg]
>>
>>
>> But I'm looking at it thinking "*Do I Need A Sidebar?*"
>>
>> I will comment more after I played with it more.
>>
>> Thanks for trusting us with your baby.
>> TT
>>
>> On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:53:05 UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> I've made a very quick attempt at isolating the UI tweaks from the 
>>> video, you can have a play with it here:
>>>
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/sandbox.html
>>>
>>> I think I got everything but it is possible I missed a tiddler or two. 
>>> Will try to document this when I have a bit more time, so that it's easy to 
>>> know which tiddlers correspond to which functionality.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Drift Install and Questions

I think if you download 
https://github.com/akhater/akhater.github.io/blob/master/drift/%24__ak_drift.json
 and 
drop it into a TiddlyWiki file and import, you will have installed all of 
Drift. You can right click the "raw" link and choose "save as".

Relink plugin: https://github.com/flibbles/tw5-relink

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 5:27:46 PM UTC+2, oha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Okay, doing it myself I have gotten to the stage that I have Drift *mostly 
> *installed, which I did by installing each of the independent Plugins 
> listed on https://akhater.github.io/drift/ such as DailyNotes, 
> Crosslinks, Mono Theme, and Autocomplete. I am just lacking a few features 
> that are not packaged, such as showing the updated/created time of a 
> Tiddler, Side by side view, and a few others. How can I go about getting 
> these Drift features?
>
> I am also sorely missing Relink fron Stroll, but do not know how to begin 
> checking if I could make that work in Drift.
>
> I also cannot simply just migrate all my files over to a new Drift empty, 
> as I am running in server mode. I just want to know how I could get the 
> tiddlers I am apparently missing from the empty itself. Any help here?
>
> On Monday, 22 June 2020 at 11:16:58 UTC+2 oha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am very taken with Drift, as a replacement for Stroll, though I do not 
>> see any instructions on the main site explaining how one can install it 
>> into an existing TiddlyWiki https://akhater.github.io/drift/ Any help 
>> there?
>>
>> I also like that it is being actively developed. I assume this is the 
>> right Git repo?  https://github.com/akhater/akhater.github.io Though it 
>> is not documented at all, so I do not know if one can contribute.  
>>
>> Thanks for any help
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [preview] UI tweaks and doodads

A few things that it might be useful to be aware of:

- if you click a Draft in the sidebar or at the bottom of the screen, it 
opens in the default EditTemplate and that can conflict with the inline 
editor. Should be tweaked so the draft opens in the inline editor.

- the edit button assumes everything is text. If need be, the button for 
the core edit mode is hidden in the "more" dropdown. You could use the 
"info" part of this with the regular editing mechanism as well.

- if you edit a field, you need to click to the save button for that field. 
It would be useful if it turned red to indicate the value had changed.

Probably lots of other quirks around too, as this wasn't really developed 
with the intention of being for general distribution. Should be possible to 
clean it up if there is interest.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 5:12:21 PM UTC+2, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Very impressive work!
>
> Yeah, it good its flagged ... *Daleks At Work*
>
> [image: Annotation 2020-06-23 170552.jpg]
>
>
> But I'm looking at it thinking "*Do I Need A Sidebar?*"
>
> I will comment more after I played with it more.
>
> Thanks for trusting us with your baby.
> TT
>
> On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:53:05 UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> I've made a very quick attempt at isolating the UI tweaks from the video, 
>> you can have a play with it here:
>>
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/sandbox.html
>>
>> I think I got everything but it is possible I missed a tiddler or two. 
>> Will try to document this when I have a bit more time, so that it's easy to 
>> know which tiddlers correspond to which functionality.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

I just realised I should NOT have posted that. This thread is losing the 
plot on the OP!

OGNSYA has interest in usage patterns.

My query now:* How Relevant Is Beaker Browser to TW Uptake?*

It seems not relevant to me.

Best, TT

On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 17:20:51 UTC+2, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> As far as I understand BB the main problem with it is it uses a protocol 
> no one uses?
>
> Its very good. Very tight. Very secure. But how do you leverage it to get 
> read universally?
>
> TT
>
> On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:12:22 UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>>
>>  
>> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 3:02:30 PM UTC+2, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> Pmario,
>>> HYPER-protocol (former DAT-protocol), sure we should use Beaker browser. 
>>> but how?
>>>
>>
>> I'm on it. .. I'm not 100% sure yet. The 1.0 workflow will change quite a 
>> bit as mentioned in an other thread. 
>>
>> -mario
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Drift Install and Questions

2020-06-23 Thread oha...@gmail.com

Okay, doing it myself I have gotten to the stage that I have Drift *mostly 
*installed, 
which I did by installing each of the independent Plugins listed on 
https://akhater.github.io/drift/ such as DailyNotes, Crosslinks, Mono 
Theme, and Autocomplete. I am just lacking a few features that are not 
packaged, such as showing the updated/created time of a Tiddler, Side by 
side view, and a few others. How can I go about getting these Drift 
features?

I am also sorely missing Relink fron Stroll, but do not know how to begin 
checking if I could make that work in Drift.

I also cannot simply just migrate all my files over to a new Drift empty, 
as I am running in server mode. I just want to know how I could get the 
tiddlers I am apparently missing from the empty itself. Any help here?

On Monday, 22 June 2020 at 11:16:58 UTC+2 oha...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am very taken with Drift, as a replacement for Stroll, though I do not 
> see any instructions on the main site explaining how one can install it 
> into an existing TiddlyWiki https://akhater.github.io/drift/ Any help 
> there?
>
> I also like that it is being actively developed. I assume this is the 
> right Git repo?  https://github.com/akhater/akhater.github.io Though it 
> is not documented at all, so I do not know if one can contribute.  
>
> Thanks for any help
>

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

As far as I understand BB the main problem with it is it uses a protocol no 
one uses?

Its very good. Vert tight. Very secure. But how do you leverage it to get 
read universally?

TT

On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:12:22 UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
>  
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 3:02:30 PM UTC+2, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Pmario,
>> HYPER-protocol (former DAT-protocol), sure we should use Beaker browser. 
>> but how?
>>
>
> I'm on it. .. I'm not 100% sure yet. The 1.0 workflow will change quite a 
> bit as mentioned in an other thread. 
>
> -mario
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [preview] UI tweaks and doodads

Very impressive work!

Yeah, it good its flagged ... *Daleks At Work*

[image: Annotation 2020-06-23 170552.jpg]


But I'm looking at it thinking "*Do I Need A Sidebar?*"

I will comment more after I played with it more.

Thanks for trusting us with your baby.
TT

On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:53:05 UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> I've made a very quick attempt at isolating the UI tweaks from the video, 
> you can have a play with it here:
>
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/sandbox.html
>
> I think I got everything but it is possible I missed a tiddler or two. 
> Will try to document this when I have a bit more time, so that it's easy to 
> know which tiddlers correspond to which functionality.
>

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[tw5] Re: Plugin prototype: Command Palette

2020-06-23 Thread Souk21

New version 0.0.4 is up!
New:
- Theming
- Themes now follow your current color palette (thanks to Adam S!)
- New Compact theme
- New setting to change theme
- Deleted "smoothScroll" setting
- Added '>See Story List' command to list opened tiddlers
- Insert result (ctrl+shift+I)

Fixed:
- Fixed selection not being recognized in text fields
- Command palette now correctly gives back focus
- Improved 'Welcome' tiddler

Good news!
I realized the issue I had with TW text fields was not about how they update.
It was about being in iframes (don't know how I missed that).
Fortunately it's was a really easy fix!
It enabled me to fix a bug with 'selection mode' as well as add a new 'insert
shortcut'.
As a bonus, it also helped with the palette giving back keyboard focus to text
fields!

There's still some design decisions to make, for example, should the palette
insert results as links when possible? (I'm thinking yes)

I'm still thinking about how acting on the current tiddler should work, so
anyone with any input on that subject should chime in :)

Let me know what you think !

@Mohammad @TiddlyTweeter: I'm sorry I didn't get the time to implement the
filter operation history, but it's high on the todo list :)
I also like the idea of having common operations available. Maybe a setting
could be switchable between 'history' and 'common operations' ?

@Guido B: Interesting! Thanks for the heads up :) I'll check if I can make
transpiling/polyfilling part of the process.

@TW Tones: You can already do that :)
For example: '<$action-sendmessage $message="open-command-palette"
$param=">"/>' will open the command palette with '>' ($param) as input.
You can have a look at
'$:/plugins/souk21/commandpalette/CommandPaletteCommandMode', the rest is just
a matter of creating a keyboard shortcut with TW provided way.

I agree with you about discoverability.
For now, you can set 'neverBasic' setting to true, so you can see what filters
operations are used (try it with '>Recent Tiddlers' for example)

'An example may be the creation of a parallel process trigger that will bypass
an attempt to customise a global process.'
I'm sorry I didn't understand that part

@si: Thanks for the input! I added a 'See Story List' command. I'm gonna look
into switching tabs :)

@Eshka: Thank you for the bug report! Don't know how it even worked in the
first place haha. It's fixed now, thanks :)

@Adam S.: Thank you a lot for the research you did! I used your pull request as
a starting point for the new themes.
I tried it with different palettes and it feels way better now! Thanks again,
it really helped me.
Let me know what you think of it :)
About your numbered shortcuts idea, would it be a way to select results ? (1
for 1st result, 2 for 2nd,...) or would it be user customizable shortcuts?

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[tw5] Re: [preview] UI tweaks and doodads

I've made a very quick attempt at isolating the UI tweaks from the video, 
you can have a play with it here:

https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/sandbox.html

I think I got everything but it is possible I missed a tiddler or two. Will 
try to document this when I have a bit more time, so that it's easy to know 
which tiddlers correspond to which functionality.

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[tw5] Re: Delegate any Binary Data to files-Folder?

@Mirko : I worked on a plugin that does just that. I have a version that 
works, with some caveats. I plan to revisit and rewrite it when I can find 
the time.

If you want to give it a go, I have uploaded it at 
https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/sandbox.html under the name "NodeJS 
import as External Files". Test with care, backup your wiki first.

Notes and caveats:
- it is possible for a file upload to the files folder to fail silently and 
you just end up with the canonical_uri tiddler. I've never experienced this 
and it isn't likely especially if using node.js locally, but it is possible 
due to the way the plugin hooks into the import process. This is the reason 
why I plan to redo this.
- the name of the file is the same as the tiddler name, so recommend not 
removing the file extension
- also there is no support yet for specifying a specific path 
(sub-directory) within the files folder.
- It assumes you are on node, so there will likely be issues if using it in 
a standalone tiddlywiki file.

Hope this helps,
Saq

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 11:34:45 AM UTC+2, Mirko Richter wrote:
>
> Hi Saq, i'm using node.js.
>
> Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2020 10:54:30 UTC+2 schrieb Saq Imtiaz:
>>
>> Mirko: are you running TiddlyWiki on node.js or the single file version?
>>
>> I have a plugin that does this on node.js (with some caveats).
>>
>> On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 10:17:08 AM UTC+2, Mirko Richter wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Is there an automated way to "delegate" any binaries, that are dropped 
>>> into the TW5-app in the browser, into the "files"-folder, replacing the 
>>> tiddler inside of tw5 with externalized version (e.g. using 
>>> _canonical_uri)?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Mirko
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

 
On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 3:02:30 PM UTC+2, Birthe C wrote:

Pmario,
> HYPER-protocol (former DAT-protocol), sure we should use Beaker browser. 
> but how?
>

I'm on it. .. I'm not 100% sure yet. The 1.0 workflow will change quite a 
bit as mentioned in an other thread. 

-mario

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

2020-06-23 Thread Birthe C

Eric,
I like your suggestion for the subtitle:"Powerful Portable Programmable 
Platform for People" 
Short and friendly.

TW Tones, Pmario,
P to the n CMS
Would work best in some more in depth explanation.

Pmario,
HYPER-protocol (former DAT-protocol), sure we should use Beaker browser. 
but how?


Birthe


tirsdag den 23. juni 2020 kl. 14.40.36 UTC+2 skrev TW Tones:
>
> Mario and Eric
>
> After my reply I changed it to P to the n CMS when I came up with quite a 
> few relevant p words other than Eric's thoughts.
>
> Since reading your responces perhaps it could be P to the power of 
> infinity CMS
>
> Are we on to something? Where is TT?
>
> regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

Mario and Eric

After my reply I changed it to P to the n CMS when I came up with quite a few 
relevant p words other than Eric's thoughts.

Since reading your responces perhaps it could be P to the power of infinity CMS

Are we on to something? Where is TT?

regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Delegate any Binary Data to files-Folder?

Mirko

I was looking through the core plugins today and saw one that enables the 
dropping of images on tiddlydesktop and it just creates the external link to 
the image. Of course tiddlydesktop has file system access. 

However I thought you could do the reverse, drop your images in the file folder 
and aquire them by browsing.

This may not suit your circumstances. Are you hoping to import images into the 
server from a remote connection? Like a drop box?

regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

2020-06-23 Thread Eric Shulman

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 5:05:04 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 3:31:25 AM UTC+2, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> Private/Public Content Management System?
>>
>> [image: Snag_4822fae.png]
>> and Platform.
>>
>
>
> hihi, I like this one. But if you already count the Ps.. .. It's more like 
> a P³CMS ... the P from platform included. ..
>
>
> If it is used using HYPER-protocol (former DAT-protocol) which is a "Peer 
> to Peer" (P2P) protocol we can make it
>
> Peer to peer, private/public CMS & Platform  So counting the Ps it 
> will be a *P5CMS*. ... 
>
>
Back in February I posted this one:

"Powerful Portable Programmable Platform for People" 

-e

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 3:31:25 AM UTC+2, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Private/Public Content Management System?
>
> [image: Snag_4822fae.png]
> and Platform.
>

hihi, I like this one. But if you already count the Ps.. .. It's more like 
a P³CMS ... the P from platform included. ..

If it is used using HYPER-protocol (former DAT-protocol) which is a "Peer 
to Peer" (P2P) protocol we can make it

Peer to peer, private/public CMS & Platform  So counting the Ps it will 
be a *P5CMS*. ... 

@OGNSYA ... sorry non of this is really "on topic" of the OP. ... But it 
it's too tempting. 

just a thought 
-mario

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

2020-06-23 Thread Cyrill

Sorry, dont notice your suggestion...
works perfectly and fits to my needs !! 


Am Dienstag, 23. Juni 2020 12:09:06 UTC+2 schrieb Saq Imtiaz:
>
> @Cyrill sounds like you haven't installed Relink plugin as suggested in 
> the installation notes
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 10:47:28 AM UTC+2, Cyrill wrote:
>>
>> Hey Saq Imtiaz,
>>
>> tx for your answer, 
>>
>> but when you rename the created tiddlers, they get lost in the wished 
>> tree/slider/structure...
>> so via the caption field, only the showed name (in the tabs of side bars) 
>> could be different than the title.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Am Samstag, 20. Juni 2020 08:20:02 UTC+2 schrieb Saq Imtiaz:
>>>
>>> @Cyrill: I am not sure I follow your question. The plugin has nothing to 
>>> do with the SideBar.
>>>
>>> If you are unhappy with the title of generated tiddlers, you can just 
>>> rename them.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 2:16:15 PM UTC+2, Cyrill wrote:

 Hey Saq Imtiaz,

 like to start working with your plugin. I tested the caption field to 
 modify the visual title in SideBar, but it seem not to be integrated now. 
 Is there hope to get is next time ?

 Kind regards

 Am Dienstag, 16. Juni 2020 17:17:51 UTC+2 schrieb Saq Imtiaz:
>
> I've pushed an update that should address that bug. I suspect we will 
> find a few more of these until I get the chance to do a comprehensive 
> code 
> review, one is really needed after the major refactoring I did to rename 
> fields.
>
> Saq
>
> On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 4:54:02 PM UTC+2, OGNSYA wrote:
>>
>> I just tested again in your demo 
>>  and it actually 
>> happens there too.
>> Please see image attached.
>> CTRL+down doesn't work for going from node A to A1 or from B to B1 
>> (it works for all other operations).
>> Let me know if you can't reproduce it, or if you want me to do any 
>> further tests
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 2:39:06 PM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> @OGNSYA in order to try to investigate that potential bug I will 
>>> need either:
>>>
>>>- specific steps to re-create that bug in my demo
>>>OR
>>>- a file in which I can see that bug
>>>
>>> Is that problem happening in all streams? Or only in one specific 
>>> tiddler?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 12:40:42 PM UTC+2, OGNSYA wrote:

 Thanks Saq.

 *Here's a very specific bug I'm getting *, which doesn't happen in 
 your website (my setup is TiddlyDesktop, with Stroll). 
 Navigating using CTRL+Down doesn't work when the next item is a 
 child (ie. indented).
 Otherwise everything else works (including CTRL+Down when the next 
 item is a parent).

 *And a suggestion/request*: when breaking a node in two, by 
 pressing ENTER, could the caret (the text cursor) be moved to the 
 *start* of the new node (instead of to the end)? To me that would 
 be the most intuitive. It would be particularly helpful when manually 
 breaking up longer texts.

 On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 3:52:13 PM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> I've pushed an update that fixes the bug with drag and drop. It's 
> something that crept in when I recently refactored to change field 
> names 
> and plugin name.
>
> I've had a few things come up that will limit the time I have 
> available to work on this in the short term. So for now, I am 
> focusing on 
> bug reports only.
>
>  Will revisit other feedback once I am able to. In the meantime 
> please feel free to keep the feedback coming.
> Cheers,
>
> Saq
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 11:43:41 AM UTC+2, OGNSYA wrote:
>>
>> @Saq, thanks for addressing all our questions!
>>
>> *Single-click edit*: Got it! I didn't realize external links 
>> couldn't be clicked. I thought they'd behave the same as [[internal 
>> links]], which could be clicked in the initial (single-click) 
>> version of 
>> your plugin. I didn't know there was this distinction. (Maybe offer 
>> users a 
>> single-click option, which requires CTRL-click for links?)
>>
>> *Autocomplete*: I also ran into the autocomplete issue with 
>> edit-comptext. Thank you for the pull request 
>>
>> *Direct editing*: In my previous email I suggest: *"Have you 
>> considered structuring it so that text can be directly edited at any 
>> level 
>> (ie., without needing to go into Edit mode)? Currently you can only 
>> edit 
>> child notes directly, but not the content of

[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

@Cyrill sounds like you haven't installed Relink plugin as suggested in the 
installation notes

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 10:47:28 AM UTC+2, Cyrill wrote:
>
> Hey Saq Imtiaz,
>
> tx for your answer, 
>
> but when you rename the created tiddlers, they get lost in the wished 
> tree/slider/structure...
> so via the caption field, only the showed name (in the tabs of side bars) 
> could be different than the title.
>
> Regards
>
> Am Samstag, 20. Juni 2020 08:20:02 UTC+2 schrieb Saq Imtiaz:
>>
>> @Cyrill: I am not sure I follow your question. The plugin has nothing to 
>> do with the SideBar.
>>
>> If you are unhappy with the title of generated tiddlers, you can just 
>> rename them.
>>
>> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 2:16:15 PM UTC+2, Cyrill wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Saq Imtiaz,
>>>
>>> like to start working with your plugin. I tested the caption field to 
>>> modify the visual title in SideBar, but it seem not to be integrated now. 
>>> Is there hope to get is next time ?
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Am Dienstag, 16. Juni 2020 17:17:51 UTC+2 schrieb Saq Imtiaz:

 I've pushed an update that should address that bug. I suspect we will 
 find a few more of these until I get the chance to do a comprehensive code 
 review, one is really needed after the major refactoring I did to rename 
 fields.

 Saq

 On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 4:54:02 PM UTC+2, OGNSYA wrote:
>
> I just tested again in your demo 
>  and it actually 
> happens there too.
> Please see image attached.
> CTRL+down doesn't work for going from node A to A1 or from B to B1 (it 
> works for all other operations).
> Let me know if you can't reproduce it, or if you want me to do any 
> further tests
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 2:39:06 PM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> @OGNSYA in order to try to investigate that potential bug I will need 
>> either:
>>
>>- specific steps to re-create that bug in my demo
>>OR
>>- a file in which I can see that bug
>>
>> Is that problem happening in all streams? Or only in one specific 
>> tiddler?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 12:40:42 PM UTC+2, OGNSYA wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Saq.
>>>
>>> *Here's a very specific bug I'm getting *, which doesn't happen in 
>>> your website (my setup is TiddlyDesktop, with Stroll). 
>>> Navigating using CTRL+Down doesn't work when the next item is a 
>>> child (ie. indented).
>>> Otherwise everything else works (including CTRL+Down when the next 
>>> item is a parent).
>>>
>>> *And a suggestion/request*: when breaking a node in two, by 
>>> pressing ENTER, could the caret (the text cursor) be moved to the 
>>> *start* of the new node (instead of to the end)? To me that would 
>>> be the most intuitive. It would be particularly helpful when manually 
>>> breaking up longer texts.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 3:52:13 PM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:

 I've pushed an update that fixes the bug with drag and drop. It's 
 something that crept in when I recently refactored to change field 
 names 
 and plugin name.

 I've had a few things come up that will limit the time I have 
 available to work on this in the short term. So for now, I am focusing 
 on 
 bug reports only.

  Will revisit other feedback once I am able to. In the meantime 
 please feel free to keep the feedback coming.
 Cheers,

 Saq

 On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 11:43:41 AM UTC+2, OGNSYA wrote:
>
> @Saq, thanks for addressing all our questions!
>
> *Single-click edit*: Got it! I didn't realize external links 
> couldn't be clicked. I thought they'd behave the same as [[internal 
> links]], which could be clicked in the initial (single-click) version 
> of 
> your plugin. I didn't know there was this distinction. (Maybe offer 
> users a 
> single-click option, which requires CTRL-click for links?)
>
> *Autocomplete*: I also ran into the autocomplete issue with 
> edit-comptext. Thank you for the pull request 
>
> *Direct editing*: In my previous email I suggest: *"Have you 
> considered structuring it so that text can be directly edited at any 
> level 
> (ie., without needing to go into Edit mode)? Currently you can only 
> edit 
> child notes directly, but not the content of the node itself. This 
> would 
> make the editing experience consistent in all levels of hierarchy"*
> To be clear, I don't refer to WYSIWYG here. This would be just to 
> keep the experience consistent for the end user.
>
> *Possi

[tw5] Re: Delegate any Binary Data to files-Folder?

2020-06-23 Thread Mirko Richter

Hi Saq, i'm using node.js.

Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2020 10:54:30 UTC+2 schrieb Saq Imtiaz:
>
> Mirko: are you running TiddlyWiki on node.js or the single file version?
>
> I have a plugin that does this on node.js (with some caveats).
>
> On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 10:17:08 AM UTC+2, Mirko Richter wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Is there an automated way to "delegate" any binaries, that are dropped 
>> into the TW5-app in the browser, into the "files"-folder, replacing the 
>> tiddler inside of tw5 with externalized version (e.g. using 
>> _canonical_uri)?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mirko
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

2020-06-23 Thread Cyrill

Hey Saq Imtiaz,

tx for your answer, 

but when you rename the created tiddlers, they get lost in the wished 
tree/slider/structure...
so via the caption field, only the showed name (in the tabs of side bars) 
could be different than the title.

Regards

Am Samstag, 20. Juni 2020 08:20:02 UTC+2 schrieb Saq Imtiaz:
>
> @Cyrill: I am not sure I follow your question. The plugin has nothing to 
> do with the SideBar.
>
> If you are unhappy with the title of generated tiddlers, you can just 
> rename them.
>
> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 2:16:15 PM UTC+2, Cyrill wrote:
>>
>> Hey Saq Imtiaz,
>>
>> like to start working with your plugin. I tested the caption field to 
>> modify the visual title in SideBar, but it seem not to be integrated now. 
>> Is there hope to get is next time ?
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Am Dienstag, 16. Juni 2020 17:17:51 UTC+2 schrieb Saq Imtiaz:
>>>
>>> I've pushed an update that should address that bug. I suspect we will 
>>> find a few more of these until I get the chance to do a comprehensive code 
>>> review, one is really needed after the major refactoring I did to rename 
>>> fields.
>>>
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 4:54:02 PM UTC+2, OGNSYA wrote:

 I just tested again in your demo 
  and it actually 
 happens there too.
 Please see image attached.
 CTRL+down doesn't work for going from node A to A1 or from B to B1 (it 
 works for all other operations).
 Let me know if you can't reproduce it, or if you want me to do any 
 further tests

 On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 2:39:06 PM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> @OGNSYA in order to try to investigate that potential bug I will need 
> either:
>
>- specific steps to re-create that bug in my demo
>OR
>- a file in which I can see that bug
>
> Is that problem happening in all streams? Or only in one specific 
> tiddler?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 12:40:42 PM UTC+2, OGNSYA wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Saq.
>>
>> *Here's a very specific bug I'm getting *, which doesn't happen in 
>> your website (my setup is TiddlyDesktop, with Stroll). 
>> Navigating using CTRL+Down doesn't work when the next item is a child 
>> (ie. indented).
>> Otherwise everything else works (including CTRL+Down when the next 
>> item is a parent).
>>
>> *And a suggestion/request*: when breaking a node in two, by pressing 
>> ENTER, could the caret (the text cursor) be moved to the *start* of 
>> the new node (instead of to the end)? To me that would be the most 
>> intuitive. It would be particularly helpful when manually breaking up 
>> longer texts.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 3:52:13 PM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> I've pushed an update that fixes the bug with drag and drop. It's 
>>> something that crept in when I recently refactored to change field 
>>> names 
>>> and plugin name.
>>>
>>> I've had a few things come up that will limit the time I have 
>>> available to work on this in the short term. So for now, I am focusing 
>>> on 
>>> bug reports only.
>>>
>>>  Will revisit other feedback once I am able to. In the meantime 
>>> please feel free to keep the feedback coming.
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 11:43:41 AM UTC+2, OGNSYA wrote:

 @Saq, thanks for addressing all our questions!

 *Single-click edit*: Got it! I didn't realize external links 
 couldn't be clicked. I thought they'd behave the same as [[internal 
 links]], which could be clicked in the initial (single-click) version 
 of 
 your plugin. I didn't know there was this distinction. (Maybe offer 
 users a 
 single-click option, which requires CTRL-click for links?)

 *Autocomplete*: I also ran into the autocomplete issue with 
 edit-comptext. Thank you for the pull request 

 *Direct editing*: In my previous email I suggest: *"Have you 
 considered structuring it so that text can be directly edited at any 
 level 
 (ie., without needing to go into Edit mode)? Currently you can only 
 edit 
 child notes directly, but not the content of the node itself. This 
 would 
 make the editing experience consistent in all levels of hierarchy"*
 To be clear, I don't refer to WYSIWYG here. This would be just to 
 keep the experience consistent for the end user.

 *Possible bug?*: I didn't see any reference to this anywhere, so I 
 thought I'd mention. I'm not able to CTRL or SHIFT drag a bullet (ie., 
 Copy 
 or Transclude) to another tiddler (nothing happens). I can only drag 
 it 
 directly - ie., Move.

[tw5] Re: Time Tracking in TiddlyWiki?

2020-06-23 Thread Eric Shulman

ANOTHER BUG FIX! (much thanks to "ParisWiki" for reporting it)

in showtable(), a calculation error was caused by these lines:

<$vars
   elapsed_min={{{ [{!!elapsed}divide[60]trunc[]] }}}
   elapsed_minsec={{{ [multiply[60]] }}}
   elapsed_sec={{{ 
[{!!elapsed}subtractmultiply[1000]trunc[]divide[1000]] 
}}}>
<$vars
   total_min={{{ [{!!total}divide[60]trunc[]] }}}
   total_minsec={{{ [multiply[60]] }}}
   total_sec={{{ 
[{!!total}subtractmultiply[1000]trunc[]divide[1000]] 
}}}>

The problem is that the "minsec" calculation depends on the value of "min", 
and the "sec" calculation depends on the value of "minsec".  The issue is 
that I was using one $vars widget to calculate all three of the values, but 
because of the dependencies, I needed to calculate them one at a time, so 
that each calculation can correctly reference the results of the previous 
one.

The bug only appeared when the started/stopped values were at least 1 
minute apart.  The reported minutes were correct, but the reported seconds 
included the full minutes (expressed as seconds).

For example: 
1287 seconds was reported as "21 minutes 1287 seconds".  However, 21 
minutes is 1260 seconds, so it should have shown "21 minutes, 27 seconds"
and
1459 seconds was reported as "24 minutes 1459 seconds".  However, 24 
minutes is 1440 seconds, so it should have shown "21 minutes, 19 seconds"

The fixed code is:
<$vars elapsed_min={{{ [{!!elapsed}divide[60]trunc[]] }}}>
<$vars elapsed_minsec={{{ [multiply[60]] }}}>
<$vars elapsed_sec={{{ 
[{!!elapsed}subtractmultiply[1000]trunc[]divide[1000]] 
}}}>
<$vars total_min={{{ [{!!total}divide[60]trunc[]] }}}>
<$vars total_minsec={{{ [multiply[60]] }}}>
<$vars total_sec={{{ 
[{!!total}subtractmultiply[1000]trunc[]divide[1000]] 
}}}>

I've posted the revised code to
   http://TiddlyTools.com/timer.html

To import the update into your own TiddlyWiki, just drag the "TaskTimer" 
title from the sidebar listing, and drop it on your open TiddlyWiki.

enjoy,
-e

>

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[tw5] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki Playground

2020-06-23 Thread Riz

See: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/heafq2/tutorial_on_how_to_contribute_to_tiddlywiki/

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[tw5] Tutorial on how to contribute to tiddlywiki documentation

2020-06-23 Thread Riz

https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/heafq2/tutorial_on_how_to_contribute_to_tiddlywiki/

I have written a short and high level tutorial on how to contribute to 
tiddlywiki documentation. Since TW5 is slightly different from your usual git 
projects, I thought some clarification is necessary.

This is intended for those who

1. Intend to make sweeping changes in documentation for which browser is not 
exactly the best medium.

2. Prefers to work on their IDE. 



Pre requisites
Familiarity with git and GitHub.

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki Playground