date:20200803

Anyone know where to find Cardo?
This is an older wiki, haven't heard anything about that for a long while. 
Roma Hicks http://gsd5.tiddlyspot.com/

I think a lot of people are dreaming of a wiki like the one you describe. 
It easily get complicated to create, but also time consuming to use. I 
think it is important to find the right balance.

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Plugin: Omnibus tiddlers

Thanks again TW Tones, for another thoughtful review and encouraging 
comments.

>
>- If you can "expose" macro's and methods to increase utility and 
>hackability it is always helpful.
>
> Yes, currently even without changing any code, the source would benefit 
from refactoring (and documenting).  It's pretty modular (and probably 
should be more modular), especially where it comes to layouts and exposed 
"buttons". Not sure if that's exactly what you mean, but there may also be 
macros that could be used independently.

>
>- I would avoid asking that any macro be placed in the tiddler 
>like <>, as this forces the use of the text field when its 
>unnecessary. 
>   - Ideally I would suggest having a field such as object-type with a 
>   value of omnibus
>   - Then a conditional viewTemplate that shows <> if 
>   object-type[omnibus]
>   - If you do not want to force a tiddler to be only an omnibus you 
>   could look at a simple omnibus= hide/show field
>
> In a tiddler tagged $:/tags/ViewTemplate
> <$list filter="[all[current]object-type[omnibus]]" variable=nul>
><>
> 
>
> Then one could have a button in the ViewToolbar to make a tiddler an 
> omnibus
>
>- Set object-type field to omnibus
>
> This would allow the text to have additional content, that displays above 
> the omnibus and the tiddler to serve other functions.
>
> You're reading my mind here (or rather I've seen some of this go by on the 
Group and I've identified it as interesting but haven't dived in yet). :) 
Thanks for the rundown.
 
Cheers,
Chris

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[tw5] Re: List-tagged-draggable text width

2020-08-03 Thread Eric Shulman

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 5:37:18 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>
> I changed the template and it displayed correctly, but no drag and drop.
> <$transclude tiddler={{!!title}} mode=block/>
>

That template didn't work for me when I tried it on tiddlywiki.com...

But this template did:
@@white-space:pre-wrap;<$link /> {{!!text}}@@

Note: the <$link /> was needed to give it something that could be dragged.

-e

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[tw5] Re: How to: adding comments in wiki text

And when defining macros you can do something similar to Marks suggestion

\define tiddler-description() This macro describes this tiddler "in line", 
you may never use the macro
\define amacro() macro def here
\define comment() this is a comment macro
\define multiline-macro()
one
two
three
\end
\define comment() this is another comment macro
\define current-display() Current: $(currentTiddler)$

...

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 1:27:59 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> For something different, you could also use the TW macro syntax:
>
>
>
> ''Have you ever had the feeling that your head is not quite big enough to 
> hold everything you need to remember?''
>
> < Yes! I had that feeling just yesterday. I was trying to memorize the 
> encyclopedia Britannica, but 
> didn't get past "Aardvark".
> >>
>
> Welcome to TiddlyWiki,...
>
>
> Where your comments reference a macro which doesn't exist.
>
>
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:29:40 PM UTC-7, Charlie J Veniot wrote:
>>
>> Kind of a no-brainer for anybody who knows HTML, but just in case there 
>> are other folk at the same level I'm at :[image: Comments in 
>> TiddlyWiki.png]
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Plugin: Omnibus tiddlers

@Saq, I'm glad you are not bothered by the similarities. I didn't think you 
would be, given your track record of sharing on here. I tried in the first 
instance to incorporate most of the features of my half-baked Vue app to 
leverage TiddlyWiki in-place (since everything I wrote was intended to feed 
tiddlers to my wikis in the end), and not to peek too much at Streams etc., 
because I was curious to know where I would end up. Now I have something 
that functions fairly well according to my original intentions, but of 
course I can see ways to make it better, and I've started looking to see 
where your decisions were similar or different.

Thanks again for the encouragement!

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 5:17:31 PM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Despite the significant similarities, I am very pleased that you're 
> working on this and sharing your progress. The TW community needs more 
> active developers, and the best way to get started and learn is often by 
> means of a passion project.
>
> It is pretty normal to need a rewrite after creating the first proof of 
> concept. Do no let that discourage you. Even Streams is in need over a 
> thorough review and refactoring for efficiency and performance.
>
> Do feel free to ask if you have any questions or difficulties moving 
> forwards.
> Cheers,
>
> Saq
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 10:21:39 PM UTC+2, clutterstack wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Following on from my quick adder plugin, I've built a demo of the reason 
>> I wanted the quick-adding capability. 
>>
>> I was pretty excited about this, and I guess I still am, although it 
>> converges quite a lot toward Streams and NotoWritey. It's called Omni, 
>> short for Omnibus, because each one collects tiddler "passengers". Here's 
>> what I said in the demo are its basic capabilities: 
>>
>> * Quickly add tiddlers, without needing to think of a title right away 
>> (or ever)
>> * Rearrange tiddlers within and between omnibuses by drag and drop
>> * Drag and drop to add tiddlers to the omnibus
>> * Add (existing) tags to tiddlers by drag and drop
>> * Set indentation levels or styles for tiddlers within the omnibus
>> * "Fold" and "unfold" tiddler transclusions 
>>
>> I see I Ieft out "edit tiddler text". You can see there's some overlap, 
>> although there are some slightly different decisions among Streams, 
>> NotoWritey, and Omni.
>>
>> Demo and some notes are available at
>> https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-omni/
>>
>> Having used this for a bit, I have come to the conclusion it needs a 
>> major reworking under the hood, but there's a lot I will keep. Certainly, 
>> the fact that I know Streams is much better-written is due to my having 
>> climbed a learning curve writing this -- I can now read and understand 
>> Saq's code.
>>
>> Anyway, although this is not a production-ready plugin, maybe someone 
>> will get an idea or snippet from this. The plugin repo is 
>> https://github.com/clutterstack/TW5-omni.
>>
>> I plan to incorporate more ways to manipulate and assemble "omnibuses" 
>> into my wiki. My historical problem has been that I can collect a lot into 
>> a wiki but it's a bit of a black hole after that.
>>
>> Cheers, Chris
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [preview] UI tweaks and doodads

Saq,

I got the concept working, replacing tabs in a code mirror tabbed lines 
tiddler with bullets.
\define bullet() #
\define lister()
<$list filter="[[TabbedTiddler]get[text]splitregexp[\n]]" variable=line>
<$list filter="[splitregexp[\t]join]" variable=bullets>
<>


\end
<$wikify name=show text="<>" output=html>
<>


Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 10:11:44 AM UTC+10, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Saq,
>
> I could not see any activity, yet, on your demo. But I immediately thought 
> of code mirror which allows you to indent and on hitting enter honours the 
> last indent. I presume this adds an otherwise rarely used tab character? Of 
> course in a way streams already does this?
>
> It would be quite simple to parse such a tiddler and replace n levels of 
> indent with n levels of bullet points, either permanently or for display 
> only. See a quick Proof of concept below POC
>
> I have a tiddler with indented text multiple levels deep (using code 
> mirror)
>
> [image: Snag_18cec84b.png]
> Renders like this; because tiddlywiki does not honour tabs
>
> [image: Snag_18cf73ae.png]
> However this code
> <$list filter="[[TabbedTiddler]get[text]splitregexp[\t]join[*]]">
> <$wikify name=line text="<>">
><>
> 
> 
>
> Renders the following and demonstrates the possibility while not completed
>
> [image: Snag_18d16b96.png]
> So this is only a few steps away from a solution to the request in the 
> thread.
>
> Regards
> TW Tones
>
> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 6:01:40 AM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> There is a pretty cool thread on reddit about making it more convenient 
>> to create lists in wikitext, namely automatically adding the required 
>> markup to subsequent lines. This inspired me to take a swing at a quick fix 
>> towards the same goal.
>>>
>>>
>> Reddit thread:
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/hufvs9/automatically_continue_bullet_list/
>>  
>> 
>>
>> My attempt at a quick fix:
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/editor-autolists.html
>>
>> Every new line should start with the same list indent level as the 
>> previous.
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Saq
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: List-tagged-draggable text width

Ed

I changed the template and it displayed correctly, but no drag and drop.

<$transclude tiddler={{!!title}} mode=block/>

I think you problem is just {{!!text}} results in an inline transclusion. 

Perhaps this can help keep you moving.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 5:34:45 AM UTC+10, Ed Heil wrote:
>
> I have a list-tagged-draggable where I'd like the draggable objects to be 
> kind of big (maybe up to 2-3 sentences). However, it's looking like text 
> will not wrap -- each paragraph/div is a single line that spills out to the 
> right.  
>
> E.g. to reproduce:
>
> Create new tiddler with contents:
>
> <>
>
> In test template put:
>
> {{!!text}}
>
> Use the "New Here" pulldown to create a tiddler tagging the New Tiddler 
> and give it a lot of text.
>
> Result: you get a draggable tiddler that spills out to the right of New 
> Tiddler's card.
>
> There doesn't seem to be an issue having a multiline draggable, since it's 
> possible to use line breaks etc. to make a draggable item multiline.  It's 
> just that it doesn't seem to know where to wrap the text.
>
> This is on firefox developer edition 80.0b2, tw version 5.1.21 & 5.1.22, 
> also 5.1.23 prerelease
>
> Is there a way to work around this?  Would it be a good candidate for a 
> bug report, if not?
>
> Thanks!
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [preview] UI tweaks and doodads

Saq,

I could not see any activity, yet, on your demo. But I immediately thought 
of code mirror which allows you to indent and on hitting enter honours the 
last indent. I presume this adds an otherwise rarely used tab character? Of 
course in a way streams already does this?

It would be quite simple to parse such a tiddler and replace n levels of 
indent with n levels of bullet points, either permanently or for display 
only. See a quick Proof of concept below POC

I have a tiddler with indented text multiple levels deep (using code mirror)

[image: Snag_18cec84b.png]
Renders like this; because tiddlywiki does not honour tabs

[image: Snag_18cf73ae.png]
However this code
<$list filter="[[TabbedTiddler]get[text]splitregexp[\t]join[*]]">
<$wikify name=line text="<>">
   <>



Renders the following and demonstrates the possibility while not completed

[image: Snag_18d16b96.png]
So this is only a few steps away from a solution to the request in the 
thread.

Regards
TW Tones

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 6:01:40 AM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> There is a pretty cool thread on reddit about making it more convenient to 
> create lists in wikitext, namely automatically adding the required markup 
> to subsequent lines. This inspired me to take a swing at a quick fix 
> towards the same goal.
>>
>>
> Reddit thread:
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/hufvs9/automatically_continue_bullet_list/
>  
> 
>
> My attempt at a quick fix:
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/editor-autolists.html
>
> Every new line should start with the same list indent level as the 
> previous.
> Cheers,
>
> Saq
>

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[tw5] Re: Query: Plugin Libraries? Who has them?

2020-08-03 Thread Joshua Fontany

I also want to experiment with Libraries as a distribution method. Good 
discussion. Thanks guys!

Best,
Joshua Fontany

On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 7:47:21 PM UTC-7 Lin Onetwo wrote:

> Thanks for sharing your Plugin library!
>
> I was using https://github.com/kookma/TW-PluginLibrary which was the only 
> plugin library I know.
>
> And there is also a plugin library for telmiger in 
> https://github.com/rimi/tw5-telmiger-plugins/issues/4 , but rimi is too 
> busy to config it.
>
> And I also have my own plugin library, if you want to create your own, you 
> can try this Github Actions to build it on the Github CI:
>
> See 
> https://github.com/linonetwo/wiki/blob/master/.github/workflows/gh-pages.yml 
> and 
> https://github.com/linonetwo/wiki/blob/7b3c9a6fbe09b56fd217d91f56c43a0c77439bc6/Meme-of-LinOnetwo/tiddlywiki.info#L90-L105
>
> Best regards,
> Lin Onetwo
>
> 在2020年7月24日星期五 UTC+8 上午9:20:03 写道：
>
>> TW Tones,
>>
>> In your wiki is a link torum search to discuss your edition. I get an 
>> error 418, that I do not have the rights.
>> Also I have for some time tried to avoid your wiki due to the in browser 
>> saving. I had a lot of trouble on my other laptop (That does not have a lot 
>> of rameverything I had in the browser ended mixed up).
>>
>> I am rather sorry, I do not want to sound negative as I think you have a 
>> lot of great ideas.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Effective ways to use Tiddlywiki?

Logan,

Welcome to the tiddlyverse. based on my own experience here is a high level 
approach below.

But first, Personally I believe tiddlywiki offers users and developers a 
platform on which to evolve solutions over time. It is the democratisation 
of general purpose software to help us make full use of our general purpose 
computers and the universal client - the browser. All of this is on top of 
standard established internet technologies, so you will develop or use a 
lot of transferable skills in the process. Thus learning and adopting the 
tiddlywiki platform is an investment in your future. In this case you own 
the content and design, chose where it is stored and who has access. You 
build the product, rather than being the product.

   - Search, and try things that seem like they may be your solution
  - Import or drop plugins and macros on an 
 - empty.html copy, 
 - tiddleywiki.com
 - or a playground  
 wiki like mine (Can reload and test plugins with out saving or 
download)
  - Pick one or more that work for you now!
   - Keep it simple if possible until you become better informed. eg start 
   with simple task lists before you adopt a GTD edition, but explore the 
   todo/GTD alternatives available.
   - Be prepared to evolve your solution later
  - Always ensure you could extract knowledge or information tiddlers 
  from your wiki if you want to reinvent a wiki.
   - Consider dividing your life into different wikis, their are plenty of 
   ways to integrate multiple wikis.
   - Start small, learn, grow
   - Make sure the backup process is working
   - Use auto save where practical.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 5:07:19 AM UTC+10, Logan Chin wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I've had TW for around 10 days now, and, despite my lack of experience 
> with open-source software, I feel like I have a good understanding of its 
> functionality and UI. 
>
> Right now, I am looking to use TW in a way that organizes almost every 
> aspect of my life – school, every-day tasks, thoughts, career plans/goals, 
> etc. Does anyone have any examples or tutorials that show an effective 
> system/methodology to manage all these things? The goal is to learn what 
> different people are doing so that, eventually, I'll have enough fluency to 
> tailor my own methodology for my specific needs.
>
> Much appreciated!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] [TW for Gaming] Earthdawn Captain's Guide beta release!

2020-08-03 Thread Joshua Fontany

Hi folks,

I've released one of the wikis that I have been hard at work toiling the 
pixel mines to bring to you.

The Earthdawn Captain's Cuide i a 10 Chapter Book covering Wargaming 
material (Airships, Riverboats, & Mass Combat) for the tabletop roleplaying 
game Earthdawn (4th Edition).

Enjoy!

https://joshuafontany.github.io/ED4CaptainsGuide/ 

Best,
Joshua Fontany 

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[tw5] Re: Do you find that TiddlyWiki is faster in Chromium than Firefox?

Thank you very much Mark.
I'll do it when I have had some sleep, best have both eyes open, doing 
stuff like that ;-)

Birthe
tirsdag den 4. august 2020 kl. 00.46.27 UTC+2 skrev Mark S.:
>
> I used this:
>
> https://winaero.com/blog/disable-updates-firefox-63-above/ 
> 
>
> You have to scroll down to the section "Alterivate Solution" (sic) It 
> shows you how make a FF profile file. On my system you have to install it 
> here:
>
> /usr/lib/firefox/distribution
>
> But it might be somewhere else on your system. You have to do this in sudo 
> (or at least I did). Then restart your browser.
>
> HTH
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 3:31:59 PM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> Mark S,
>> Sure Chromium is part of ubuntu distribution. Trying to install from 
>> package manager will find an empty deb file and automatically install a 
>> snap package. That is what has been blocked in Mint.
>> I did manage to get Chromium from some other repo...(yeah I know- be 
>> careful). I do not use it much, really most often for uploading to 
>> tiddlyspot ;-)
>> For a long time now Firefox has been my main browser, so I am very 
>> interested in a solution.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tinka 0.5.0 - A Plugin to make more Plugins

Mat,

I may not make sense to you, but I think I am making sense. Yes I have used 
tinka itself, including just recently.

My key desire to convert solutions that can be packages in a simple name 
space or json to be converted to plugins. I want a method to take one way 
of organising tiddlers, such as my "projects", and from them generate a 
plugin. 

One detail is converting existing tiddlers into readme usage etc... 

I have no doubt there is a partial gap in my understanding, however I do 
not think it an unreasonable to try and understand how to integrate other 
sources into plugin generation with tinka. 

When I have this worked out I can publish a large number of solutions as 
plugins, 

   - the next step will be generating plugin demo wikis in a similar manner 
   from in wiki content, + Plugin and Innerwiki plugin.
   - All this work is tools for rapid development and publishing.

Regards
TW Tones

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 7:43:23 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> @Andreas - great work! Tinka is an absolutely essential plugin when I make 
> plugins.
>
> @TW Tones - your questions don't make sense. (Did you at all test to use 
> Tinka?)
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Plugin: Omnibus tiddlers

Chris,

I can only echo Saq's comments. One of tiddlywiki's key strengths is its 
diversity. When it comes to productivity using tiddlywiki people often have 
different preferences and approaches and looking at your solution it 
definitely has some great approaches.

My initial review is it looks great, and has nice functionality.

I am happy to review and comment further if requested. 

My first comments are at a very high level.

   - Try and allow you solution to be installed in such a way it is 
   somewhat independent, so people can combine your solution with others.
  - This means it can be used more often, as well as people discovering 
  novel ways to make use of it.
  - If you can "expose" macro's and methods to increase utility and 
   hackability it is always helpful.
   - I would avoid asking that any macro be placed in the tiddler 
   like <>, as this forces the use of the text field when its 
   unnecessary. 
  - Ideally I would suggest having a field such as object-type with a 
  value of omnibus
  - Then a conditional viewTemplate that shows <> if 
  object-type[omnibus]
  - If you do not want to force a tiddler to be only an omnibus you 
  could look at a simple omnibus= hide/show field
   
In a tiddler tagged $:/tags/ViewTemplate
<$list filter="[all[current]object-type[omnibus]]" variable=nul>
   <>


Then one could have a button in the ViewToolbar to make a tiddler an omnibus

   - Set object-type field to omnibus

This would allow the text to have additional content, that displays above 
the omnibus and the tiddler to serve other functions.

Thanks for your contribution

Regards
TW Tones

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 6:21:39 AM UTC+10, clutterstack wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Following on from my quick adder plugin, I've built a demo of the reason I 
> wanted the quick-adding capability. 
>
> I was pretty excited about this, and I guess I still am, although it 
> converges quite a lot toward Streams and NotoWritey. It's called Omni, 
> short for Omnibus, because each one collects tiddler "passengers". Here's 
> what I said in the demo are its basic capabilities: 
>
> * Quickly add tiddlers, without needing to think of a title right away (or 
> ever)
> * Rearrange tiddlers within and between omnibuses by drag and drop
> * Drag and drop to add tiddlers to the omnibus
> * Add (existing) tags to tiddlers by drag and drop
> * Set indentation levels or styles for tiddlers within the omnibus
> * "Fold" and "unfold" tiddler transclusions 
>
> I see I Ieft out "edit tiddler text". You can see there's some overlap, 
> although there are some slightly different decisions among Streams, 
> NotoWritey, and Omni.
>
> Demo and some notes are available at
> https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-omni/
>
> Having used this for a bit, I have come to the conclusion it needs a major 
> reworking under the hood, but there's a lot I will keep. Certainly, the 
> fact that I know Streams is much better-written is due to my having climbed 
> a learning curve writing this -- I can now read and understand Saq's code.
>
> Anyway, although this is not a production-ready plugin, maybe someone will 
> get an idea or snippet from this. The plugin repo is 
> https://github.com/clutterstack/TW5-omni.
>
> I plan to incorporate more ways to manipulate and assemble "omnibuses" 
> into my wiki. My historical problem has been that I can collect a lot into 
> a wiki but it's a bit of a black hole after that.
>
> Cheers, Chris
>

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[tw5] Re: Do you find that TiddlyWiki is faster in Chromium than Firefox?

I used this:

https://winaero.com/blog/disable-updates-firefox-63-above/

You have to scroll down to the section "Alterivate Solution" (sic) It shows 
you how make a FF profile file. On my system you have to install it here:

/usr/lib/firefox/distribution

But it might be somewhere else on your system. You have to do this in sudo 
(or at least I did). Then restart your browser.

HTH




On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 3:31:59 PM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Mark S,
> Sure Chromium is part of ubuntu distribution. Trying to install from 
> package manager will find an empty deb file and automatically install a 
> snap package. That is what has been blocked in Mint.
> I did manage to get Chromium from some other repo...(yeah I know- be 
> careful). I do not use it much, really most often for uploading to 
> tiddlyspot ;-)
> For a long time now Firefox has been my main browser, so I am very 
> interested in a solution.
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: Do you find that TiddlyWiki is faster in Chromium than Firefox?

Mark S,
Sure Chromium is part of ubuntu distribution. Trying to install from 
package manager will find an empty deb file and automatically install a 
snap package. That is what has been blocked in Mint.
I did manage to get Chromium from some other repo...(yeah I know- be 
careful). I do not use it much, really most often for uploading to 
tiddlyspot ;-)
For a long time now Firefox has been my main browser, so I am very 
interested in a solution.

Birthe

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[tw5] Tinka 0.5.0 - A Plugin to make more Plugins

2020-08-03 Thread Thomas Elmiger

+1 what JD says.
Thanks a lot to you, Andreas and Mat. 
Looking forward to try this. 

All the best, 
Thomas 

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[tw5] Re: Tinka 0.5.0 - A Plugin to make more Plugins

2020-08-03 Thread Mat

@Andreas - great work! Tinka is an absolutely essential plugin when I make 
plugins.

@TW Tones - your questions don't make sense. (Did you at all test to use 
Tinka?)

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Plugin: Omnibus tiddlers

Despite the significant similarities, I am very pleased that you're working 
on this and sharing your progress. The TW community needs more active 
developers, and the best way to get started and learn is often by means of 
a passion project.

It is pretty normal to need a rewrite after creating the first proof of 
concept. Do no let that discourage you. Even Streams is in need over a 
thorough review and refactoring for efficiency and performance.

Do feel free to ask if you have any questions or difficulties moving 
forwards.
Cheers,

Saq



On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 10:21:39 PM UTC+2, clutterstack wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Following on from my quick adder plugin, I've built a demo of the reason I 
> wanted the quick-adding capability. 
>
> I was pretty excited about this, and I guess I still am, although it 
> converges quite a lot toward Streams and NotoWritey. It's called Omni, 
> short for Omnibus, because each one collects tiddler "passengers". Here's 
> what I said in the demo are its basic capabilities: 
>
> * Quickly add tiddlers, without needing to think of a title right away (or 
> ever)
> * Rearrange tiddlers within and between omnibuses by drag and drop
> * Drag and drop to add tiddlers to the omnibus
> * Add (existing) tags to tiddlers by drag and drop
> * Set indentation levels or styles for tiddlers within the omnibus
> * "Fold" and "unfold" tiddler transclusions 
>
> I see I Ieft out "edit tiddler text". You can see there's some overlap, 
> although there are some slightly different decisions among Streams, 
> NotoWritey, and Omni.
>
> Demo and some notes are available at
> https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-omni/
>
> Having used this for a bit, I have come to the conclusion it needs a major 
> reworking under the hood, but there's a lot I will keep. Certainly, the 
> fact that I know Streams is much better-written is due to my having climbed 
> a learning curve writing this -- I can now read and understand Saq's code.
>
> Anyway, although this is not a production-ready plugin, maybe someone will 
> get an idea or snippet from this. The plugin repo is 
> https://github.com/clutterstack/TW5-omni.
>
> I plan to incorporate more ways to manipulate and assemble "omnibuses" 
> into my wiki. My historical problem has been that I can collect a lot into 
> a wiki but it's a bit of a black hole after that.
>
> Cheers, Chris
>

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[tw5] Re: Effective ways to use Tiddlywiki?

Simon Baird's mGSD was great for that. I still have one that (I think) 
works fine on a local machine.

I'll just say: TiddlyWiki is like Minecraft. You can build worlds in it, so 
the most important thing if you want it to help your productivity, rather 
than become your product, is to set constraints.

(Perhaps contradicting myself: check David Gifford's TiddlyWiki Toolmap for 
inspiration: https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM) 


Cheers,
Chris
On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 3:51:46 PM UTC-4 odin...@gmail.com wrote:

> Have a look at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tiddlywiki-gtd
>
> One person made a Getting Things Done variant of TiddlyWiki that was 
> pretty extensive. Maybe this can give you some inspiration.
>
> TiddlyWiki is extremely versatile, if you invest some time into learning 
> wikitext, you can change it to your own needs.
>
> Op maandag 3 augustus 2020 21:07:19 UTC+2 schreef Logan Chin:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've had TW for around 10 days now, and, despite my lack of experience 
>> with open-source software, I feel like I have a good understanding of its 
>> functionality and UI. 
>>
>> Right now, I am looking to use TW in a way that organizes almost every 
>> aspect of my life – school, every-day tasks, thoughts, career plans/goals, 
>> etc. Does anyone have any examples or tutorials that show an effective 
>> system/methodology to manage all these things? The goal is to learn what 
>> different people are doing so that, eventually, I'll have enough fluency to 
>> tailor my own methodology for my specific needs.
>>
>> Much appreciated!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Plugin: Omnibus tiddlers

Hello all,

Following on from my quick adder plugin, I've built a demo of the reason I
wanted the quick-adding capability.

I was pretty excited about this, and I guess I still am, although it
converges quite a lot toward Streams and NotoWritey. It's called Omni,
short for Omnibus, because each one collects tiddler "passengers". Here's
what I said in the demo are its basic capabilities:

* Quickly add tiddlers, without needing to think of a title right away (or
ever)
* Rearrange tiddlers within and between omnibuses by drag and drop
* Drag and drop to add tiddlers to the omnibus
* Add (existing) tags to tiddlers by drag and drop
* Set indentation levels or styles for tiddlers within the omnibus
* "Fold" and "unfold" tiddler transclusions

I see I Ieft out "edit tiddler text". You can see there's some overlap,
although there are some slightly different decisions among Streams,
NotoWritey, and Omni.

Demo and some notes are available at
https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-omni/

Having used this for a bit, I have come to the conclusion it needs a major
reworking under the hood, but there's a lot I will keep. Certainly, the
fact that I know Streams is much better-written is due to my having climbed
a learning curve writing this -- I can now read and understand Saq's code.

Anyway, although this is not a production-ready plugin, maybe someone will
get an idea or snippet from this. The plugin repo is
https://github.com/clutterstack/TW5-omni.

I plan to incorporate more ways to manipulate and assemble "omnibuses" into
my wiki. My historical problem has been that I can collect a lot into a
wiki but it's a bit of a black hole after that.

Cheers, Chris

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[tw5] Re: Stroll update, Aug 3 2020

TiddlyMap users may find this version is less problematic in terms of 
clashes with the Stories plugin.

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 5:22:21 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Saq updated his Stories plugin, so I updated Stroll.
>
> Two new features:
>
> 1. Ability to add custom edittemplate and viewttemplate features
> 2. Slider in the sidebar tab to adjust the ratio (relative width) of the 
> two stories.
>
> See https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#Recent%20updates%20to%20Stroll 
> for the tiddlers to drag to your file to update it.
>
> Blessings, Dave
>

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[tw5] Re: [preview] UI tweaks and doodads

There is a pretty cool thread on reddit about making it more convenient to 
create lists in wikitext, namely automatically adding the required markup 
to subsequent lines. This inspired me to take a swing at a quick fix 
towards the same goal.
>
>
Reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/hufvs9/automatically_continue_bullet_list/?utm_source=share_medium=web2x

My attempt at a quick fix:
https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/editor-autolists.html

Every new line should start with the same list indent level as the previous.
Cheers,

Saq

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[tw5] Re: Effective ways to use Tiddlywiki?

2020-08-03 Thread Odin Jorna

Have a look at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tiddlywiki-gtd

One person made a Getting Things Done variant of TiddlyWiki that was pretty 
extensive. Maybe this can give you some inspiration.

TiddlyWiki is extremely versatile, if you invest some time into learning 
wikitext, you can change it to your own needs.

Op maandag 3 augustus 2020 21:07:19 UTC+2 schreef Logan Chin:
>
> Hello,
>
> I've had TW for around 10 days now, and, despite my lack of experience 
> with open-source software, I feel like I have a good understanding of its 
> functionality and UI. 
>
> Right now, I am looking to use TW in a way that organizes almost every 
> aspect of my life – school, every-day tasks, thoughts, career plans/goals, 
> etc. Does anyone have any examples or tutorials that show an effective 
> system/methodology to manage all these things? The goal is to learn what 
> different people are doing so that, eventually, I'll have enough fluency to 
> tailor my own methodology for my specific needs.
>
> Much appreciated!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] List-tagged-draggable text width

2020-08-03 Thread Ed Heil

I have a list-tagged-draggable where I'd like the draggable objects to be 
kind of big (maybe up to 2-3 sentences). However, it's looking like text 
will not wrap -- each paragraph/div is a single line that spills out to the 
right.  

E.g. to reproduce:

Create new tiddler with contents:

<>

In test template put:

{{!!text}}

Use the "New Here" pulldown to create a tiddler tagging the New Tiddler and 
give it a lot of text.

Result: you get a draggable tiddler that spills out to the right of New 
Tiddler's card.

There doesn't seem to be an issue having a multiline draggable, since it's 
possible to use line breaks etc. to make a draggable item multiline.  It's 
just that it doesn't seem to know where to wrap the text.

This is on firefox developer edition 80.0b2, tw version 5.1.21 & 5.1.22, 
also 5.1.23 prerelease

Is there a way to work around this?  Would it be a good candidate for a bug 
report, if not?

Thanks!

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[tw5] Effective ways to use Tiddlywiki?

2020-08-03 Thread Logan Chin

Hello,

I've had TW for around 10 days now, and, despite my lack of experience with 
open-source software, I feel like I have a good understanding of its 
functionality and UI. 

Right now, I am looking to use TW in a way that organizes almost every 
aspect of my life – school, every-day tasks, thoughts, career plans/goals, 
etc. Does anyone have any examples or tutorials that show an effective 
system/methodology to manage all these things? The goal is to learn what 
different people are doing so that, eventually, I'll have enough fluency to 
tailor my own methodology for my specific needs.

Much appreciated!
















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[tw5] Re: Do you find that TiddlyWiki is faster in Chromium than Firefox?

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 11:08:39 AM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Mark S,
>
> Linux Mint users have the "joy" of the discussion around Snap, when it 
> comes to install of chromium (Blocked). Sure lots of workarounds, but still.
>
> Work in Firefox until late at night, when you are more than tired, sure 
> you will get the throw away work update. Sure I am complaining also.
>
> Birthe
>

Chromium is blocked on Mint? The people at Chromium haven't made 
installation easy for Linux -- there's no simple way to grab the latest and 
download, AFAIK. But on Ubuntu it's part of the distribution.

BTW, I did find a solution for preventing those FF auto-updates, if you're 
interested. It's just a bit of a hassle turning them on and off.

Mark

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[tw5] Re: Do you find that TiddlyWiki is faster in Chromium than Firefox?

Mark S,

Linux Mint users have the "joy" of the discussion around Snap, when it 
comes to install of chromium (Blocked). Sure lots of workarounds, but still.

Work in Firefox until late at night, when you are more than tired, sure you 
will get the throw away work update. Sure I am complaining also.

Birthe

mandag den 3. august 2020 kl. 19.06.14 UTC+2 skrev Mark S.:
>
> By contrast, Firefox on Linux rather aggressively interrupts everything 
> you are doing to demand that you update the browser -- it doesn't wait for 
> you to update the distribution package. This is actually a complaint of 
> mine about FF on Linux -- it will literally make you throw away work when 
> it wants to update! But it does keep your browser up-to-date.
>

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[tw5] Re: Do you find that TiddlyWiki is faster in Chromium than Firefox?

I like the idea of using just one browser, rather than having to remember 
to use X with browser A, and Y with browser B

In that regard, there may be an additional concern re Chromium on Linux.

I've been using chromium on and off ever since this post came out. On 
Linux, your Chromium version is connected to your distribution update. 
Currently, on Xubuntu 18.04, the Chromium in the distribution is at 83.0.4, 
which is several weeks behind and per wikipedia is now discontinued. I 
suppose I could install Chromium by hand instead of through the 
distribution, but this is usually a lot of hassle.

By contrast, Firefox on Linux rather aggressively interrupts everything you 
are doing to demand that you update the browser -- it doesn't wait for you 
to update the distribution package. This is actually a complaint of mine 
about FF on Linux -- it will literally make you throw away work when it 
wants to update! But it does keep your browser up-to-date.

On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 6:03:42 AM UTC-7, si wrote:
>
> I recently tried out my wiki in Brave (Chromium based) rather than Firefox 
> and noticed that it was a little snappier.
>
> Saving tiddlers is measurably faster and there is a lot less lag when 
> using edit-text boxes (in my case the side-editor plug-in).
>
> *Is it generally the case that TW runs a little better in Chrome than 
> Firefox or is my experience just the result of the idiosyncrasies of my 
> particular system?*
>
> Note: I'm using Windows10 and Timimi to save for both browsers.
>

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[tw5] Re: How to generate list of missing tiddlers, sorted by most references

2020-08-03 Thread Felicia Crow

Tony,

Last post here as an answer, will open a new topic with the solution after 
rewriting it.

Sorry, when you first wrote about global variables I assumed you meant it 
as in a global scope - so usable within the whole wiki - not local to the 
tiddler, this of course changes things somewhat.
Also with your answer I now have a better understanding of what you 
actually wish to achieve, which will take some time to rewrite what I have 
to allow filters to set variables, especially since I am not sure if you 
mean tiddlywiki filters or filters especially written for the macro, with 
the first maybe being very easy or not depending on how getTiddler is setup 
to work on non existent tiddlers.
What I thought you meant from your first question was more along the lines 
of a mixture between set and actionSetField widgets so having a more global 
place to set/get variables without having to use a button to asign the 
value to a field if that makes sense.

My current solution uses a simplet getter/setter setup plus the ability to 
save variables to a tiddler and load them back in on startup. So the logic 
would be still in tiddlywiki itself and only the saving to a global space 
is done via the respective macos.

Regards
Felicia

On Friday, 31 July 2020 02:32:20 UTC+2, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Felicia
>
> Thanks for considering this issue. Perhaps we should start a new thread, 
> since this is related but off topic.
>
> Some more thoughts
>
>- Felicia to be a true "local" variable it would more often be used in 
>a single tiddler so you need not worry about its display elsewhere, 
> however 
>there is I believe mechanisms to refresh the tiddlers and their 
>transclusions in the story.
>   - Since this would be quite different behaviour we should perhaps 
>   use an alternate defacto naming standard eg _varname or 
>   <>
>   
>   - Where filter can compute the next result?
>   - [add[1]] to increment the value
>   - 33 to set the value...
>- There is no need to save the value permanently, a separate step can 
>be taken to do this if needed. 
>   - For example add an additional action to the save button to save 
>   named variables into a field and restore them on load with start up 
> actions.
>- A simple way to reload a tiddler is to navigate to itself, however 
>this needs a trigger. 
>   - However my thought was the initial load of the tiddler was where 
>   the rendering takes place and the variable "increments" during the 
> render 
>   leaving its transitory values in the rendered output (if displayed) or 
>   affecting the conditional flow.
>   - Then once this is finished we can display the final value if 
>   needed.
>
>
> In closing
>
>- This "problem" may face some difficulties in the way tiddlywiki 
>operates
>- From a users designer view point it is however in my view an 
>important gap to fill
>- I can name dozens of cases where this would help.
>- The key difference with such a variable is its use need not be 
>inside an open and close, just to set its value.
>- Perhaps it has to be a widget.
>
> Regards
> TW Tones  
>
> On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 6:44:08 AM UTC+10, Felicia Crow wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>> after some testing I may have a first idea, but there are two things:
>>
>>- Calls: Javascript macros are called when the tiddler is parsed. So 
>>you would need something that rerenders the tiddler - for instance the 
>> list 
>>widget you mentioned upon changes in the filter result - to call the 
>> macro 
>>multiple times without closing and reopening the tiddler. As an example 
>> if 
>>you change your variable in one tiddler and in another already open 
>> tiddler 
>>get the variable's value it won't be updated until the tiddler is 
>> reloaded. 
>>I currently don't have an idea for that.
>>- Permanent Save: Due to javascript macros not being able to directly 
>>write to a field by themselves currently the variables only last as long 
>> as 
>>the wiki is not closed or reloaded. For this I might have a solution, but 
>>will need to play around a little more with it, before being able to say 
>> if 
>>it actually works or not.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Felicia
>>
>> On Thursday, 30 July 2020 at 02:43:12 UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Felicia,
>>>
>>> Since you a quite able to build Javascript solutions into Tiddlywiki 
>>> now, I would like to ask a quick question, if it makes sense to you.
>>>
>>> Would you know how to define a global variable(s) that we can update 
>>> (repeatedly) via a macro call? As a result it will need to have a step to 
>>> initialise it.
>>>
>>> Imagine that inside a list widget someone could conditionally change the 
>>> variable, ie add 1 to a number or set a flag = yes, such that the value can 
>>> be accessed outside of the list widget?
>>>
>>> This is a missing mechanism as far as I can see.
>>>
>>>

[tw5] Re: How to: adding comments in wiki text

For something different, you could also use the TW macro syntax:



''Have you ever had the feeling that your head is not quite big enough to 
hold everything you need to remember?''

<>

Welcome to TiddlyWiki,...


Where your comments reference a macro which doesn't exist.


On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:29:40 PM UTC-7, Charlie J Veniot wrote:
>
> Kind of a no-brainer for anybody who knows HTML, but just in case there 
> are other folk at the same level I'm at :[image: Comments in 
> TiddlyWiki.png]

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[tw5] Stroll update, Aug 3 2020

2020-08-03 Thread David Gifford

Hi all

Saq updated his Stories plugin, so I updated Stroll.

Two new features:

1. Ability to add custom edittemplate and viewttemplate features
2. Slider in the sidebar tab to adjust the ratio (relative width) of the 
two stories.

See https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#Recent%20updates%20to%20Stroll 
for the tiddlers to drag to your file to update it.

Blessings, Dave

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[tw5] Re: How to: adding comments in wiki text

2020-08-03 Thread Skeeve Magick

Do not forget to NOT use "--" inside a comment as that is strictly 
forbidden.

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[tw5] Re: Does anyone import Tailwind CSS into tiddlywiki?

2020-08-03 Thread Diego Mesa

Just checking to see if you managed to do this? 

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:26:12 PM UTC-5, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>
> If so, how do you do it?
>
> JWHoneycutt
>

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[tw5] Re: How to: adding comments in wiki text

2020-08-03 Thread JWHoneycutt

Charlie, 

Your comments work great, and are visible only when you are in edit mode.

You can also place comments visible in "rendered" mode like this:

/* comment comment
comment second line */

What you CAN'T do (unlike vanilla JavaScript) is use // (double forward 
slashes), since this is used by tiddlywiki for toggling italicise on/off

JWHoneycutt

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[tw5] Journal Timestamp way off

2020-08-03 Thread Skeeve Magick

Is this intended behaviour?

Tiddler "ToDo" contains

<$list filter="[all[current]tagging[]]">
{{||$:/tagged/journal}} <$link /> (Letzter Eintrag: <$list 
filter="[all[current]tagging[]!sort[created]limit[1]]" />)



The Journal tiddler new title is defined to be "-0MM-0DD 0hh:0mm:0ss"

I opened this tiddler once in the morning. A few hours later I clicked the 
edit-button and the new tiddler which opens has the timestamp of the time I 
opened the ToDo tiddler. Not the current time.

Is this intended behaviour?

TiddlyWiki Version is *5.1.22*


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[tw5] Re: [ pre-release ] New goodies in the TiddlyWiki core