[tw5] Nice mention of tiddlywiki

[Birthe C]

I  was trying to find out more about the browser Vivaldi when I found this: 
https://dbouley.vivaldi.net/2020/01/28/greatly-expand-vivaldis-usefulness-with-tiddlywiki/
  
I couldn't agree more with the conclusionvery practical for users of 
multiple computers and OS'es.


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: TWEXE Executable TiddlyWiki's

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Yes, I don't see it as being too practical either, especially because it 
takes about 5 minutes to set up each file you want to run.

It does suggest something that would be useful (well, maybe) -- node.js for 
single TW files. So you'd run like:

tiddlywiki-s myfile.html -p 8090 -f mydir

and immediately (no delay) it would run on port 8090 and use directory 
./mydir to serve up any supporting static files. Something that works like 
tiddlyserver, but without the complicated setup.

But I suppose having 20+ methods of saving is probably enough ;-)

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 8:02:15 PM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Thank you Mark S,
>
> Now I got to try it. every time I have read about twexe, I have thought 
> about it.
> From description it is tempting, but in reality I do not find it 
> practical. I wouldn't run several wikies using it. One special wiki maybe.
>
> Thanks to you I have now peace in my mind concerning this. (idea for 
> tiddlywiki can really haunt us).
>
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: How to locate a tid like this $:/core/ui/ControlPanel/Settings/DefaultSidebarTab I can't find it from advance search?

[Zhe Lee]

done tnx

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 10:22:06 AM UTC+8, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Select the Shadows tab in the Advanced search
>
> That is where you will find it.
>
> It is a tiddler defined in the core plugin and until it is edited it is 
> "only" a shadow tiddler.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 11:14:17 AM UTC+10, Zhe Lee wrote:
>>
>> I check some tutorial which leading me to the tid with "$" ahead like 
>> this : $:/core/ui/ControlPanel/Settings/DefaultSidebarTab
>>
>> [image: Snipaste_2020-08-13_09-12-11.jpg]
>>
>> But this tid is exist, which I can find it from the setting pane, Default 
>> Sidebar Tab
>>
>>
>> So How can I find the tid like this? 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Siblings Macro

[amreus]

I lied - I couldn't wait to try.. @Eric I see your macro does not change 
the sort order.  It looks like it's going to work great. Thanks again.

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:01:30 PM UTC-4 amreus wrote:

> Thanks Eric.  I should have also mentioned I want to keep the birth order 
> of the siblings based on a `birt-date` field.  I won't have a chance to try 
> any of this until late tomorrow.
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 10:30:36 PM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 5:48:17 PM UTC-7, amreus wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a little macro that lists the siblings of a person tiddler. 
>>> Simplified, it looks like so:
>>> \define siblings()
>>> ''Siblings''
>>> <$list filter="[has[famc]field:famc{!!famc}]">
>>> <$link>{{!!caption}}
>>> 
>>> \end
>>> This lists all tiddlers that have a matching `famc` field, including the 
>>> current tiddler.
>>> How can I make it not link to the current tiddler?  
>>> I want to list and link to the siblings, but only list the current 
>>> tiddler with no link.
>>>
>>
>> Try this:
>> \define siblings()
>> ''Siblings''
>> <$vars here=<>>
>>
>> <$list filter="[has[famc]field:famc{!!famc}]">
>>
>>
>><$list filter="[match]">  {{!!caption}} 
>>
>><$list filter="[!match]"> <$link>{{!!caption}}> $link> 
>> 
>> 
>> \end
>>  
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: TWEXE Executable TiddlyWiki's

[Birthe C]

Thank you Mark S,

Now I got to try it. every time I have read about twexe, I have thought 
about it.
>From description it is tempting, but in reality I do not find it practical. 
I wouldn't run several wikies using it. One special wiki maybe.

Thanks to you I have now peace in my mind concerning this. (idea for 
tiddlywiki can really haunt us).


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Siblings Macro

[amreus]

Thanks Eric.  I should have also mentioned I want to keep the birth order 
of the siblings based on a `birt-date` field.  I won't have a chance to try 
any of this until late tomorrow.


On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 10:30:36 PM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 5:48:17 PM UTC-7, amreus wrote:
>>
>> I have a little macro that lists the siblings of a person tiddler. 
>> Simplified, it looks like so:
>> \define siblings()
>> ''Siblings''
>> <$list filter="[has[famc]field:famc{!!famc}]">
>> <$link>{{!!caption}}
>> 
>> \end
>> This lists all tiddlers that have a matching `famc` field, including the 
>> current tiddler.
>> How can I make it not link to the current tiddler?  
>> I want to list and link to the siblings, but only list the current 
>> tiddler with no link.
>>
>
> Try this:
> \define siblings()
> ''Siblings''
> <$vars here=<>>
>
> <$list filter="[has[famc]field:famc{!!famc}]">
>
>
><$list filter="[match]">  {{!!caption}} 
>
><$list filter="[!match]"> <$link>{{!!caption}} $link> 
> 
> 
> \end
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: Siblings Macro

[amreus]

Thanks Tony - I actually want to list the tiddler just not display it as a 
link since in theory I am already viewing that tiddler. Plus showing the 
person in plain text acts as a hint to where in the birth-order the person 
is.

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 10:27:31 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Amerus
>
> Here is a somplified version which excludes the current tiddler
>
> \define siblings()
> ''Siblings''
> <$list filter="[all[]famc{!!famc}] -[]">
>
> <$link>{{!!caption}}
> 
> \end
> untested
>
> It uses the short form of fieldname[fieldvalue] to test a fields value, 
> and gets this value from the field in the current tiddler.
>
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 10:48:17 AM UTC+10, amreus wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a little macro that lists the siblings of a person tiddler. 
>> Simplified, it looks like so:
>>
>> \define siblings()
>> ''Siblings''
>> <$list filter="[has[famc]field:famc{!!famc}]">
>> <$link>{{!!caption}}
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> This lists all tiddlers that have a matching `famc` field, including the 
>> current tiddler.
>>
>> How can I make it not link to the current tiddler?  
>>
>> I want to list and link to the siblings, but only list the current 
>> tiddler with no link.
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Siblings Macro

[Eric Shulman]

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 5:48:17 PM UTC-7, amreus wrote:
>
> I have a little macro that lists the siblings of a person tiddler. 
> Simplified, it looks like so:
> \define siblings()
> ''Siblings''
> <$list filter="[has[famc]field:famc{!!famc}]">
> <$link>{{!!caption}}
> 
> \end
> This lists all tiddlers that have a matching `famc` field, including the 
> current tiddler.
> How can I make it not link to the current tiddler?  
> I want to list and link to the siblings, but only list the current tiddler 
> with no link.
>

Try this:
\define siblings()
''Siblings''
<$vars here=<>>
<$list filter="[has[famc]field:famc{!!famc}]">
   
   <$list filter="[match]">  {{!!caption}}   
 
   <$list filter="[!match]"> <$link>{{!!caption}} 


\end
 

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[tw5] Re: Siblings Macro

[TW Tones]

Amerus

Here is a somplified version which excludes the current tiddler

\define siblings()
''Siblings''
<$list filter="[all[]famc{!!famc}] -[]">
<$link>{{!!caption}}

\end
untested

It uses the short form of fieldname[fieldvalue] to test a fields value, and 
gets this value from the field in the current tiddler.


Regards
Tones




On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 10:48:17 AM UTC+10, amreus wrote:
>
>
> I have a little macro that lists the siblings of a person tiddler. 
> Simplified, it looks like so:
>
> \define siblings()
> ''Siblings''
> <$list filter="[has[famc]field:famc{!!famc}]">
> <$link>{{!!caption}}
> 
> \end
>
> This lists all tiddlers that have a matching `famc` field, including the 
> current tiddler.
>
> How can I make it not link to the current tiddler?  
>
> I want to list and link to the siblings, but only list the current tiddler 
> with no link.
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: How to locate a tid like this $:/core/ui/ControlPanel/Settings/DefaultSidebarTab I can't find it from advance search?

[TW Tones]

Select the Shadows tab in the Advanced search

That is where you will find it.

It is a tiddler defined in the core plugin and until it is edited it is 
"only" a shadow tiddler.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 11:14:17 AM UTC+10, Zhe Lee wrote:
>
> I check some tutorial which leading me to the tid with "$" ahead like this 
> : $:/core/ui/ControlPanel/Settings/DefaultSidebarTab
>
> [image: Snipaste_2020-08-13_09-12-11.jpg]
>
> But this tid is exist, which I can find it from the setting pane, Default 
> Sidebar Tab
>
>
> So How can I find the tid like this? 
>

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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

[Keelan Cook]

I'm happy to do so. I completely understand the need for feedback to help 
focus limited bandwidth.

Let me think on the questions and get back with you tomorrow. Again, thanks 
for the work you've already put into Streams. 

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 9:55:36 AM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Keelan,
>
> Thank you for the detailed feedback and for explaining the context behind 
> your usage. It is very helpful to get a different perspective on things and 
> to know that others find it useful. 
>
> My TiddlyWiki fiddling is something I do on my own time in addition to two 
> fairly demanding day jobs. While it is enjoyable for me, I must admit that 
> I carry over from my professional life the desire to be productive and 
> efficient in what little time I do have for it. Feedback goes a long way 
> towards knowing what to focus my energy and time on.
>
> The combination of the Stories plugin and Streams is what I had in mind 
> when I worked on the drag and drop support within Streams. I haven't really 
> mentioned this anywhere so I am glad to hear you realized the possiblities 
> in this. I think there is need of a bespoke customized TiddlyWiki edition 
> around Streams (and other plugins) to fully utilize its potential. For 
> example, you could if so desired, get the backlinks in Stroll to reference 
> only the root node of each backlink instead of each node. Similarly, the 
> search could be adapted to better integrate with Streams tiddlers as well. 
> Unfortunately that isn't something I have the time to devote to myself.
>
> I do have a few questions for you if have the time:
>
>1. Have you encountered any issues or pain/choke points in your 
>workflow with Streams?
>2. Are there any features you find yourself wishing that Streams had?
>3. Overall in your larger workflow in TiddlyWiki, not just related to 
>Streams, what if any are the roadblocks that slow you down or cause 
>difficulties?
>4. Are your notes mostly plain text with formatting (bold, italics 
>etc) or do you use a lot of macros and widgets in the actual note taking?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 2:45:23 PM UTC+2, Keelan Cook wrote:
>>
>> Saq,
>>
>> I've been lurking in this group for a few months now, and your comment 
>> wondering whether or not people are using Streams has pulled me out of the 
>> shadows! I wanted to vocalize how significant this plugin has become to my 
>> workflow. 
>>
>> A bit of background on my usage. I'm a professor and do a lot of research 
>> in history and the humanities. My work requires a really good notetaking 
>> workflow. On the other hand, I'm not even close to a programmer. So, I 
>> gravitate toward out-of-the-box systems, and they always have pain points.
>>
>> I've fiddled with TiddlyWiki off and on for several years. I've always 
>> wanted it to work for me, because I really admire the project. But, the 
>> ease of editing and quick note capture (as well as design aesthetics) 
>> usually ended my attempts and sent me back to other tools. Enter Streams.
>>
>> Like many others in this group, over the last 2-3 months the rise of 
>> TiddlyWiki as a Roam alternative pulled me back into the conversation. 
>> Dave's Stroll was instrumental in getting me back in. I stumbled on several 
>> themes that remove distaste for the UI. And then Streams became the pièce 
>> de résistance. Quick capture in adjustable outline form that allows for 
>> capturing literature notes and then drafting up outlines for longer form 
>> articles and books. I use your Stories plugin as well. I can pull up a 
>> Stream tiddler with source notes on one side and drag and drop content into 
>> my outline for works I'm creating. This is exactly what I've needed.
>>
>> Bimlas echoed my sentiments well in this recent post concerning ways to 
>> use TiddlyWiki: 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/Re11x96t-qI/m/GYuMKHx0AQAJ 
>>
>> I've been actively working to create my own, bespoke, note-taking 
>> environment and I finally feel like all the pieces are there in TiddlyWiki 
>> to do so. 
>>
>> So, I for one, am very interested in your continued work on Streams. It's 
>> minimalist, unobtrusive, and powerful for a researcher. I'm happy to 
>> provide any feedback that may be helpful to you, understanding I'm only 
>> able to speak toward end use and not the coding aspect of it. 
>>
>> Thanks so much for your work on this. It's been a game changer for me, 
>> and I've recommended it to several others in my field at this point.
>>
>> Keelan
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 1:16:39 PM UTC-5 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 6:13:53 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
 It's actually really nice to get some detailed feedback from real world 
 usage, so firstly, thank you!

>>>
>>> I did like the fast workflow very much!
>>>  
>>>
 I probably haven't tried quite so hard to make time to work on Streams 
>>

[tw5] Re: How to set the focus to edit pane for exist tiddler?

[Zhe Lee]

Any workaround to do this, since in my case almost every time when I want 
edit the exist tid, I want to edit the content not title

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:02:33 PM UTC+8, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 7:23:05 AM UTC-7, Zhe Lee wrote:
>>
>> I find a option in the setting for 
>>
>> Default focus field for new tiddlers 
>> 
>>
>> I think for exist tiddler I need focus on edit pane by default but can't 
>> find the option  any way to make it? 
>>
>
> Although the description says "for new tiddlers", it also seems to apply 
> to existing ones.  If you set the
> option to "text" and then edit an existing tiddler, the full content of 
> the tiddler's text input area is
> automatically selected as soon as you open the editor.
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] How to locate a tid like this $:/core/ui/ControlPanel/Settings/DefaultSidebarTab I can't find it from advance search?

[Zhe Lee]

I check some tutorial which leading me to the tid with "$" ahead like this 
: $:/core/ui/ControlPanel/Settings/DefaultSidebarTab

[image: Snipaste_2020-08-13_09-12-11.jpg]

But this tid is exist, which I can find it from the setting pane, Default 
Sidebar Tab


So How can I find the tid like this? 

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[tw5] Siblings Macro

[amreus]

I have a little macro that lists the siblings of a person tiddler. 
Simplified, it looks like so:

\define siblings()
''Siblings''
<$list filter="[has[famc]field:famc{!!famc}]">
<$link>{{!!caption}}

\end

This lists all tiddlers that have a matching `famc` field, including the 
current tiddler.

How can I make it not link to the current tiddler?  


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[tw5] Re: Embed wiki into Microsoft Teams (BOB)

[Ste]

I know this answer kind of ignores the way your working with BOB but I'm just 
hosting single file wikis from Dropbox (droppages.com) (https!) and then 
inserting it into teams as a web page tab. I'm sure there must be a better way. 

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[tw5] Re: Embed wiki into Microsoft Teams (BOB)

[TW Tones]

Stobot,

I have only installed single file wikis as aspx files on top of sharepoint, 
which is what teams is built on. The only way I know of to get a node 
server running in the Microsoft cloud would be to have it hosted inside the 
Microsoft azure CPU and Processing (like amazon hosting services). 
Specifically with node.

Once you have a single file wiki working and saving on SharePoint you 
should be able to iframe it as you can elsewhere.

Arguably you could use a synchronised one drive with your desktop/file 
server to store the the node tiddlywiki's but you still need a computer 
running the node server to serve the URL.

Happy to discuss further.

Tones



On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 12:45:55 AM UTC+10, Stobot wrote:
>
> Hello folks,
>
> I'm trying to embed a wiki into Microsoft Teams and am stuck. Teams only 
> allows http:// addresses and I'm using BOB which is served via local ip 
> address like 10.1.#.#:8080. I thought I could get away with this if I made 
> a near-empty .aspx file (I have access to host files on SharePoint) and 
> then iframe the wiki in that way - but maybe you can't iframe in an address 
> like BOB provides either? Any thoughts?
>
> What I hoped would work - saved as a .aspx file, tried in FireFox
> 
> 
> 
>  >
> 
> 
>

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[tw5] Re: Apply changes and keep editor open?

[amreus]

Ah thanks Ed, that is useful.  I am trying to understand Macros so  in this 
case I am trying to edit one tiddler (the macro tiddler) and need to save 
it to see the changes in tiddlers that use the macro.  


On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:40:22 AM UTC-4 Ed Heil wrote:

> BTW, just as a very simple solution -- I've found it helpful in this 
> context to use the "eye" tool in the toolbar to have a tiddler open 
> simultaneously for viewing and editing; this works if you're editing the 
> same tiddler where you'll see the changes.  If you're editing one tiddler 
> and expecting to see changes in a different tiddler, then you might to go 
> with the solutions pointed to by Mark S.
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:15:23 PM UTC-4 amreus wrote:
>
>> Oh cool! That'll do. Thank you.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 6:13:22 PM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> I asked this question a few days ago. Here was a reply:
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/UHFJa0ijo6g/s_6X-SDJAgAJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 1:12:09 PM UTC-7, amreus wrote:

 I'm dipping my toes into writing macros.  I make a lot of mistakes 
 while doing so.  It seems it would be more efficient for me if there were 
 an "apply changes" button that applied the edits but kept the editor open 
 since 99% of the time I've made some typo or syntax error and need to 
 re-open the editor anyway.  

 Does such a feature exists, or make sense?




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[tw5] Re: Quick Tag Editing?

[amreus]

 Yes thank you JD. It's perfect.!



On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 5:11:53 AM UTC-4 JD wrote:

> Oh, thanks Birthe! ^^,
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 5:43:33 PM UTC+9, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> Thanks JD,
>>
>> That is very handy.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> onsdag den 12. august 2020 kl. 10.15.32 UTC+2 skrev JD:
>>>
>>> Hi Amreus, 
>>>
>>> You can try using this modified *$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags* I pieced 
>>> together. Seems like we have the same usecase, this might be what you need. 
>>> Works well with the current version and the prerelease of TW5.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: TWEXE Executable TiddlyWiki's

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Be sure to mark the download as executable (which I assume you must have 
done, but it's something like chmod 744 twexe .

>From terminal directory where the dowload (and your target html file) is:

./twexe myfile.html

(long, long wait while it builds)

Then run "./myfile".

It will open up an instance in your browser (hopefully) running on 
127.0.0.1:8080 (or the first port after 8080 that is free)

It makes lots of backup files, that you will need to clean up eventually. 
It makes those files, even though I didn't specify the -k option.



On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 12:13:08 AM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:
>
> It definitely looks interesting. I have looked at it several times over 
> the years, but never found out how to use twexe on linux. (I am using linux 
> Mint 20). Trying to run it, it opened an old tiddlywiki in my browser.
> I had trouble seeing the video and it was far too small for me to get any 
> idea, what was happening. Also I find the description on the link 
> confusing. Do this or that and then some. Where how and when?
>
> Is anybody using twexe on Linux? If so would you please explain how to do 
> it?
>
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: Apply changes and keep editor open?

[Ed Heil]

BTW, just as a very simple solution -- I've found it helpful in this 
context to use the "eye" tool in the toolbar to have a tiddler open 
simultaneously for viewing and editing; this works if you're editing the 
same tiddler where you'll see the changes.  If you're editing one tiddler 
and expecting to see changes in a different tiddler, then you might to go 
with the solutions pointed to by Mark S.

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:15:23 PM UTC-4 amreus wrote:

> Oh cool! That'll do. Thank you.
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 6:13:22 PM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> I asked this question a few days ago. Here was a reply:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/UHFJa0ijo6g/s_6X-SDJAgAJ
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 1:12:09 PM UTC-7, amreus wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm dipping my toes into writing macros.  I make a lot of mistakes while 
>>> doing so.  It seems it would be more efficient for me if there were an 
>>> "apply changes" button that applied the edits but kept the editor open 
>>> since 99% of the time I've made some typo or syntax error and need to 
>>> re-open the editor anyway.  
>>>
>>> Does such a feature exists, or make sense?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Sharing Drift

[kebi]

Hello Tony, I noticed that the site is really responsive on mobile.
What did you change from the original mono theme to make it look good on 
mobile??

Regards,
Kebi

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[tw5] Re: How to set the focus to edit pane for exist tiddler?

[Eric Shulman]

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 7:23:05 AM UTC-7, Zhe Lee wrote:
>
> I find a option in the setting for 
>
> Default focus field for new tiddlers 
> 
>
> I think for exist tiddler I need focus on edit pane by default but can't 
> find the option  any way to make it? 
>

Although the description says "for new tiddlers", it also seems to apply to 
existing ones.  If you set the
option to "text" and then edit an existing tiddler, the full content of the 
tiddler's text input area is
automatically selected as soon as you open the editor.

-e

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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

[Saq Imtiaz]

Hi Keelan,

Thank you for the detailed feedback and for explaining the context behind 
your usage. It is very helpful to get a different perspective on things and 
to know that others find it useful. 

My TiddlyWiki fiddling is something I do on my own time in addition to two 
fairly demanding day jobs. While it is enjoyable for me, I must admit that 
I carry over from my professional life the desire to be productive and 
efficient in what little time I do have for it. Feedback goes a long way 
towards knowing what to focus my energy and time on.

The combination of the Stories plugin and Streams is what I had in mind 
when I worked on the drag and drop support within Streams. I haven't really 
mentioned this anywhere so I am glad to hear you realized the possiblities 
in this. I think there is need of a bespoke customized TiddlyWiki edition 
around Streams (and other plugins) to fully utilize its potential. For 
example, you could if so desired, get the backlinks in Stroll to reference 
only the root node of each backlink instead of each node. Similarly, the 
search could be adapted to better integrate with Streams tiddlers as well. 
Unfortunately that isn't something I have the time to devote to myself.

I do have a few questions for you if have the time:

   1. Have you encountered any issues or pain/choke points in your workflow 
   with Streams?
   2. Are there any features you find yourself wishing that Streams had?
   3. Overall in your larger workflow in TiddlyWiki, not just related to 
   Streams, what if any are the roadblocks that slow you down or cause 
   difficulties?
   4. Are your notes mostly plain text with formatting (bold, italics etc) 
   or do you use a lot of macros and widgets in the actual note taking?

Thank you.

Cheers,
Saq


On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 2:45:23 PM UTC+2, Keelan Cook wrote:
>
> Saq,
>
> I've been lurking in this group for a few months now, and your comment 
> wondering whether or not people are using Streams has pulled me out of the 
> shadows! I wanted to vocalize how significant this plugin has become to my 
> workflow. 
>
> A bit of background on my usage. I'm a professor and do a lot of research 
> in history and the humanities. My work requires a really good notetaking 
> workflow. On the other hand, I'm not even close to a programmer. So, I 
> gravitate toward out-of-the-box systems, and they always have pain points.
>
> I've fiddled with TiddlyWiki off and on for several years. I've always 
> wanted it to work for me, because I really admire the project. But, the 
> ease of editing and quick note capture (as well as design aesthetics) 
> usually ended my attempts and sent me back to other tools. Enter Streams.
>
> Like many others in this group, over the last 2-3 months the rise of 
> TiddlyWiki as a Roam alternative pulled me back into the conversation. 
> Dave's Stroll was instrumental in getting me back in. I stumbled on several 
> themes that remove distaste for the UI. And then Streams became the pièce 
> de résistance. Quick capture in adjustable outline form that allows for 
> capturing literature notes and then drafting up outlines for longer form 
> articles and books. I use your Stories plugin as well. I can pull up a 
> Stream tiddler with source notes on one side and drag and drop content into 
> my outline for works I'm creating. This is exactly what I've needed.
>
> Bimlas echoed my sentiments well in this recent post concerning ways to 
> use TiddlyWiki: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/Re11x96t-qI/m/GYuMKHx0AQAJ 
>
> I've been actively working to create my own, bespoke, note-taking 
> environment and I finally feel like all the pieces are there in TiddlyWiki 
> to do so. 
>
> So, I for one, am very interested in your continued work on Streams. It's 
> minimalist, unobtrusive, and powerful for a researcher. I'm happy to 
> provide any feedback that may be helpful to you, understanding I'm only 
> able to speak toward end use and not the coding aspect of it. 
>
> Thanks so much for your work on this. It's been a game changer for me, and 
> I've recommended it to several others in my field at this point.
>
> Keelan
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 1:16:39 PM UTC-5 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 6:13:53 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> It's actually really nice to get some detailed feedback from real world 
>>> usage, so firstly, thank you!
>>>
>>
>> I did like the fast workflow very much!
>>  
>>
>>> I probably haven't tried quite so hard to make time to work on Streams 
>>> recently since there has been radio silence around it, which would suggest 
>>> it is either perfect (hah!) or that no one is using it.
>>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> 6) I use [!is[shadow]has[stream-type]]  as a stream enable filter. This 
 may change in the future.

>>>
>>> I welcome suggestions for a sensible default for this.
>>>
>>
>> Yea, I didn't want to have it with every tiddler. ... But my choice needs 
>> a manual input o

[tw5] Embed wiki into Microsoft Teams (BOB)

[Stobot]

Hello folks,

I'm trying to embed a wiki into Microsoft Teams and am stuck. Teams only 
allows http:// addresses and I'm using BOB which is served via local ip 
address like 10.1.#.#:8080. I thought I could get away with this if I made 
a near-empty .aspx file (I have access to host files on SharePoint) and 
then iframe the wiki in that way - but maybe you can't iframe in an address 
like BOB provides either? Any thoughts?

What I hoped would work - saved as a .aspx file, tried in FireFox







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[tw5] How to set the focus to edit pane for exist tiddler?

[Zhe Lee]

I find a option in the setting for 

Default focus field for new tiddlers 


I think for exist tiddler I need focus on edit pane by default but can't 
find the option  any way to make it? 

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[tw5] Re: Is there a quick way to add multiple tags once?

[Zhe Lee]

Tnx it works

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 4:26:10 PM UTC+8, JD wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> You can change the text of this tiddler: 
> *$:/config/EditTemplateFields/Visibility/tags * to "show" (instead of 
> "hide")... Then when you're in edit mode, the Tags field is available for 
> editting. Like the list field, tags with spaces should be enclosed in 
> brackets, sample: TagOne [[Tag Two]]
>
> This is probably the quickest way if we don't need a UI for it ^^,
>
> -jd
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 4:05:18 PM UTC+9, Zhe Lee wrote:
>>
>> My situation is like this: 
>>
>> I want to record a installation issue about a linux software. I need to 
>> give this tiddler tags such as : Linux, software, installation, issue 
>> record... As your tiddlywiki become bigger, tags become more and more to 
>> type. 
>>
>> Which is so many tags to type. So I want to find a way to make it eaiser. 
>> Like some quick way to add multiple tags one time.  Is there a way to make 
>> it? 
>>
>

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[tw5] Three alias plugin, what's the difference of their design/implementation?

[yrosgi L]

The original feature I wanted was tag aliasing, such as there's a tag A, 
and B is an alias of A, when add B to a tiddler, it can also find the 
tiddler by search tag A.
As I see, this logic is obscure, so I try to find some available alias 
plugin or system. As the result, I found these(listed as the order I found 
it):

1. Mario's uni-link: https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/uni-link/
2. Mat's AliasTids: http://aliastids.tiddlyspot.com/
3. mklauber's Aliases: https://mklauber.github.io/tw5-plugins/#Aliases

It look like that they are solving the problem very similar because it is 
not easy to find the difference for me. 
And for this reason, it's hard to decide to use which one.

Any ideas?

Regards,

L,

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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

[Keelan Cook]

Saq,

I've been lurking in this group for a few months now, and your comment 
wondering whether or not people are using Streams has pulled me out of the 
shadows! I wanted to vocalize how significant this plugin has become to my 
workflow. 

A bit of background on my usage. I'm a professor and do a lot of research 
in history and the humanities. My work requires a really good notetaking 
workflow. On the other hand, I'm not even close to a programmer. So, I 
gravitate toward out-of-the-box systems, and they always have pain points.

I've fiddled with TiddlyWiki off and on for several years. I've always 
wanted it to work for me, because I really admire the project. But, the 
ease of editing and quick note capture (as well as design aesthetics) 
usually ended my attempts and sent me back to other tools. Enter Streams.

Like many others in this group, over the last 2-3 months the rise of 
TiddlyWiki as a Roam alternative pulled me back into the conversation. 
Dave's Stroll was instrumental in getting me back in. I stumbled on several 
themes that remove distaste for the UI. And then Streams became the pièce 
de résistance. Quick capture in adjustable outline form that allows for 
capturing literature notes and then drafting up outlines for longer form 
articles and books. I use your Stories plugin as well. I can pull up a 
Stream tiddler with source notes on one side and drag and drop content into 
my outline for works I'm creating. This is exactly what I've needed.

Bimlas echoed my sentiments well in this recent post concerning ways to use 
TiddlyWiki: https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/Re11x96t-qI/m/GYuMKHx0AQAJ 


I've been actively working to create my own, bespoke, note-taking 
environment and I finally feel like all the pieces are there in TiddlyWiki 
to do so. 

So, I for one, am very interested in your continued work on Streams. It's 
minimalist, unobtrusive, and powerful for a researcher. I'm happy to 
provide any feedback that may be helpful to you, understanding I'm only 
able to speak toward end use and not the coding aspect of it. 

Thanks so much for your work on this. It's been a game changer for me, and 
I've recommended it to several others in my field at this point.

Keelan

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 1:16:39 PM UTC-5 PMario wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 6:13:53 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
> ...
>
>> It's actually really nice to get some detailed feedback from real world 
>> usage, so firstly, thank you!
>>
>
> I did like the fast workflow very much!
>  
>
>> I probably haven't tried quite so hard to make time to work on Streams 
>> recently since there has been radio silence around it, which would suggest 
>> it is either perfect (hah!) or that no one is using it.
>>
>
> :)
>
> 6) I use [!is[shadow]has[stream-type]]  as a stream enable filter. This 
>>> may change in the future.
>>>
>>
>> I welcome suggestions for a sensible default for this.
>>
>
> Yea, I didn't want to have it with every tiddler. ... But my choice needs 
> a manual input of the "stream-type: default" field. So I think I'd need to 
> make a new button. .. So we need a "Streams Icon" ... @anyone?
>  
>
>>  
>>
>>> 7) I use this line <$vars 
>>> stream-root-title={{{[split[/]limit[1]]}}} in the 
>>> nodes-list-template. So tiddler names are created as shown in 5) .. NO 
>>> long node names. ... The disadvantage is, that "sub streams" don't get a 
>>> (+) 
>>> new Node button ... Only the "main stream" tiddler has this button. .. 
>>>
>>
>> So two things to address here:
>> i) have you tried setting this format for tiddler titles in 
>> $:/config/sq/streams/new-node-title, instead of changing the stream-root 
>> variable:
>> {{{[split[/]limit[1]]}}}/<> "[UTC]0MM0DD0hh0mm0ssXXX">>
>> I think this will accomplish the same thing without the need for editing 
>> nodes-list-template, which may cause issues with the drag and drop code as 
>> well.
>>
>
> You are right. That seems to fix the next problem for me too!
>  
>
>> ii) it was a design decision to only have the (+) add node button on the 
>> root stream, and not the sub nodes. I now see this isn't convenient. This 
>> will be changed, thank you for pointing it out.
>>
>
> Sorry. I wasn't clear enough. ... I meant "sub nodes" in a separated 
> tiddler. ... But as written above. Your new-node-title construction seems 
> to fix both problems, that I had with my "hacks"
>  
>
>>  
>>>
>>> 8) I do like the tiddler-title format as shown in 5), because it 
>>> automatically creates a visible "timeline", when the nodes have been taken 
>>> and the core <> macro will be able to deal with it 
>>> after I did create a new "leaf template" for the macro.
>>
>>
>> Could you point out the leaf template please? I'd like to add examples 
>> like these to the documentation.
>>
>
> I'm not sure, what I actually want, yet. ... So I'll update the DAT-CONF 
> link once I've done more refactoring. ... As you know, I also want to make 
> my tocP macro usable with the str

[tw5] Re: Convert the output of a variable to plain text

[Saq Imtiaz]

@Eric as I understand it, the rememberq macro is part of an editor toolbar 
button. So likely scope is the problem.

For most purpose storyTiddler should have the same value as 
stream-root-title unless you're showing a stream inside a modal or a new 
window.

@kebi If this still doesn't help, please post your file to facilitate 
debugging.

Cheers,
Saq

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 4:34:03 AM UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 7:00:44 PM UTC-7, kebi wrote:
>>
>> Eric thanks so much for the detailed explanation, however the macro 
>> "rememberq" doesn't seem to process the reference <> 
>> correctly.
>> for some reason <$text text=<<__reference__>>/> doesn't return the title 
>> I'm looking for.
>>
>
> In your first message, you showed:
> <$vars stream-root-title=<>
> contextmenu-state=<>
> row-edit-state=<>
> drag-title-state=<>
> drag-title-nextsibling-state=< "$:/state/sq/streams/current-drag-nextsibling">>
> >
>  [{$:/state/sq/nodes/global-drag-state}match[yes]then[stream-dragactive]] [
> !has[stream-list]then[stream-newlist]] +[join[ ]] }}}>
> <$macrocall $name="stream"/>
> 
> 
>
> In the above code, the value of "stream-root-title" is only valid within 
> the scope of the <$vars>
>
> However, it would seem that your invocation of the "rememberq" macro is 
> *outside* of the <$vars>
> Thus, the value of stream-root-title would not be defined at that time.
>
> Try using something like: reference=<>, and see if that 
> helps.
>
> -e
>
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: Quick Tag Editing?

[JD]

Oh, thanks Birthe! ^^,

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 5:43:33 PM UTC+9, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Thanks JD,
>
> That is very handy.
>
> Birthe
>
> onsdag den 12. august 2020 kl. 10.15.32 UTC+2 skrev JD:
>>
>> Hi Amreus, 
>>
>> You can try using this modified *$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags* I pieced 
>> together. Seems like we have the same usecase, this might be what you need. 
>> Works well with the current version and the prerelease of TW5.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Editor height when creating a new tiddler

[kebi]

After some testing in different browsers, I can say that this is a 
TiddlyDesktop bug. On normal browsers the editor height is displayed right.

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[tw5] Re: Editor height when creating a new tiddler

[Birthe C]

I have experienced the same, just not with the mono theme. I tried 
http://j.d.mono.tiddlyspot.com and that does not seem to have that problem.

As I wrote, I have experienced the problem before, in a lot of different 
wikis with different themes. It usually happens when the wiki /my computer 
gets slow. Combination of big wiki lots of tabs open in the browser...and 
too little ram I think. Nevertheless If I do nothing and wait it will get 
normal by itself without any clicking. It is of course only guesswork from 
me, but it has happened in wikis that did not have that problem before and 
not after a restart of the browser.

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Convert the output of a variable to plain text

[kebi]

The wikify method itselft works, I think I'm note getting the correct 
output from <> because of some loop caused by the plugin 
that defines it.

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[tw5] Re: Quick Tag Editing?

[Birthe C]

Thanks JD,

That is very handy.

Birthe

onsdag den 12. august 2020 kl. 10.15.32 UTC+2 skrev JD:
>
> Hi Amreus, 
>
> You can try using this modified *$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags* I pieced 
> together. Seems like we have the same usecase, this might be what you need. 
> Works well with the current version and the prerelease of TW5.
>

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[tw5] Editor height when creating a new tiddler

[harut...@gmail.com]

If I don't have any tiddler opened and I try to create a new tiddler, the 
editor height is huge until I left click somewhere.

I have installed the mono theme.
What section of the Stylesheet should I edit to prevent this??

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[tw5] Re: Is there a quick way to add multiple tags once?

[JD]

Hi,

You can change the text of this tiddler: 
*$:/config/EditTemplateFields/Visibility/tags * to "show" (instead of 
"hide")... Then when you're in edit mode, the Tags field is available for 
editting. Like the list field, tags with spaces should be enclosed in 
brackets, sample: TagOne [[Tag Two]]

This is probably the quickest way if we don't need a UI for it ^^,

-jd


On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 4:05:18 PM UTC+9, Zhe Lee wrote:
>
> My situation is like this: 
>
> I want to record a installation issue about a linux software. I need to 
> give this tiddler tags such as : Linux, software, installation, issue 
> record... As your tiddlywiki become bigger, tags become more and more to 
> type. 
>
> Which is so many tags to type. So I want to find a way to make it eaiser. 
> Like some quick way to add multiple tags one time.  Is there a way to make 
> it? 
>

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[tw5] Re: TWEXE Executable TiddlyWiki's

[Birthe C]

It definitely looks interesting. I have looked at it several times over the 
years, but never found out how to use twexe on linux. (I am using linux 
Mint 20). Trying to run it, it opened an old tiddlywiki in my browser.
I had trouble seeing the video and it was far too small for me to get any 
idea, what was happening. Also I find the description on the link 
confusing. Do this or that and then some. Where how and when?

Is anybody using twexe on Linux? If so would you please explain how to do 
it?


Birthe

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[tw5] Is there a quick way to add multiple tags once?

[Zhe Lee]

My situation is like this: 

I want to record a installation issue about a linux software. I need to 
give this tiddler tags such as : Linux, software, installation, issue 
record... As your tiddlywiki become bigger, tags become more and more to 
type. 

Which is so many tags to type. So I want to find a way to make it eaiser. 
Like some quick way to add multiple tags one time.  Is there a way to make 
it? 

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