[tw5] Re: RFC Request for Comment - color intuitions

[TW Tones]

Thanks Bimlas and JD for your feedback,

The customisation of links was only a later thought for me but you two have 
taken it a lot further.

Styled links certainly have their value at providing information about the 
tiddler the link references before opening it. If we go on to style the 
tiddlers once opened they should match a little.

Bimlas you say

> Although I like the principle, I am afraid it is difficult to mark several 
> conditions in one place. For example, if we were to play with the color of 
> the border, we would need multiple borders, denoting all of them at once:


I am not sure this limitation is correct, that is why I put out this call 
to identify elements we may style, then map them to something useful. 

In your example of the boarder we could have system tiddler use a dotted 
black boarder and shadow system tiddler a broken black border. Tiddlers are 
either system tiddlers or they they are non system tiddlers.  If an 
unbroken border means regular tiddlers then we can use a set of colours to 
indicate perhaps state new empty tiddler, editing tiddler... or 
New/active/in active eg green yellow and blue, with red for attention. 
Thickness of the border could indicate something else. Style, Thickness and 
colour are three "dimensions available just for borders.

What can we style?

   - Links (as you two mentioned)
   - Boarders around any element
  - Tiddler
  - Tiddler shadows
  - Titles/title bar
  - Icon
   - Titles and button background/border and shadows?
   - Title foreground color
   - Icon or and/or Icon color
   - Indicator on subtitle
   - Special button on a toolbar
  - I have one that indicates it has focus ie last navigated to or 
  selected.
   - Additional toolbar(s)
   - Tag color and icon
   - 

While tags often group things and they are quite clear on a given tiddler, 
the user may wish to groups according to a field value where only one 
selection is valid at a time such as project name. 

   - If all items belonging to one project have an element the same then 
   locating them in links or open story would be helpful, as perhaps something 
   to do with status. 
   - Tiddlers and/or Projects may belong in a domain 
   Home/Personal/Work/Club so being able to colour code a domain would be help 
   full

We also have the icon, class and color fields on individual tiddlers.

   - See  my attached special SVG image, that displays a color swatch for 
   the currenttiddler in Question `{{||$:/PSaT/images/color-box 
   

   }}

Possible new elements?

   - Inner and outer borders
   - Title Prefix/Suffix
   - Subtitle buttons and labels

But I still wonder;

What is the most meaningful information we can share with the user via 
subtle (or not so subtle) indicators?

   - eg; Tiddler size
   - Assigned type or object-type eg task/note etc...

In addition to your list styling ideas, I have a way of placing button that 
operate on the current tiddler, in fact edit with a click or open for more 
options, perhaps a hybrid makes sense?

[image: Snag_e96d3e7.png]
What colours mean what?

   - Black is serious system
   - Silver is code or explicit text
   - Sand is like papyrus a writing surface
   - Traffic lights and blue (in active)
  - Green is go or new
  - Yellow is in progress
  - Red Finished?
  - Blue is inert?
   
Subtle colors may not be visible to the sight impaired or colour blind but 
they should not make it difficult for them. Dots dashes and solid may be 
more useful to colour blind people.

More ideas please.

Thanks
Tones


On Saturday, 29 August 2020 14:42:04 UTC+10, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I have being playing with CSS and its integration into TiddlyWiki and 
> realise there is more than enough opportunity especially with the new Custom 
> styles by data tags 
>  etc... to 
> realise a smart, subtle and intuitive interface.
>
> This is not an idea for a theme, nor even just CSS but taking a range 
> tiddlywiki tiddler and page elements, that change and provide a subtle 
> variation particularly with colour, pale backgrounds, boarder style, 
> thickness and shadows.
>
> Examples may be
>
>- A pail green background when a tiddler is in draft mode, 
>- A Dark a green border if the tiddler begins with "New Tiddler" 
>- A yellow boarder if the tiddler is an Orphan
>- A Pale grey background if the tiddler an unedited shadow
>- and many more
>
> The idea is to take common facts about tiddlers or the wiki as a whole and 
> use these to leave subtle messages to the user 
>
>- We need not know the exact detail of such indicators, because if you 
>use a consistent set they will become evident over time.
>   - This would be supported further, if we *produce a de facto 
>   standard and shared it widely *(or added to the standard 
>   distribution)
>- They should be designed for light and dark themes and not 

[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyDesktop on Linux

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Is this vs 14 ? Maybe try vsn 13. I feel we're getting multiple reports of 
difficulties with v14.

I use v13 from time to time on Xubuntu 18.04. However, other methods of 
saving work too including tiddlyserver, timimi, Bob, and file-backups. And 
of course polly, though you have to set up powershell. 

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:00:40 PM UTC-7, Rob Jopling wrote:
>
> I am trialling a version of Linux to see whether I might migrate from 
> windows. Currently a Linux rookie!
> The Linux version is Xubuntu 20.4.1.
>
> I have downloaded the latest version of TiddlyDesktop and extracted it to 
> my desktop.
>
> When I run ./nw in a terminal window I get the message "Opneing in 
> existing browser session" but nothing happens.
>
> What am I doing wrong? Please can someone help.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Rob
>
>
>

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[tw5] Using TiddlyDesktop on Linux

[Rob Jopling]

I am trialling a version of Linux to see whether I might migrate from 
windows. Currently a Linux rookie!

The Linux version is Xubuntu 20.4.1.

I have downloaded the latest version of TiddlyDesktop and extracted it to 
my desktop.

When I run ./nw in a terminal window I get the message "Opneing in existing 
browser session" but nothing happens.

What am I doing wrong? Please can someone help.

Many thanks

Rob


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[tw5] Re: Search the values of fields where field names are generated?

[amreus]

Yes Eric that is exactly what I meant.  It's basically a location search 
for common gedcom tags (which are not the same as TiddlyWiki tags.)  

Thanks so much for the examples. 

I have been reading about macros but I still don't think I grasp them fully 
yet. However, though experimentation I have come up with the following 2 
examples which give me better control over the title lists. The first works 
fine. I prefer the 2nd example as it's more general.  I think it can 
generalize even more into a macro named "location-search" maybe. Something 
similar to <>

First Example:

\define searchflds()
<$list filter="[search:$(flds)$[California]]">


\end

<$vars flds={{{ [fields[]regexp[_plac$]join[,]] }}}>
<>


Second Example:

\define search-filter(term) [search:$(flds)$[$term$]]

<$vars flds={{{ [fields[]regexp[_plac$]join[,]] }}}>
<$list filter=<> >
<$link>{{!!caption}} {{||year-span}}




On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 2:40:50 PM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 11:24:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> \define searchflds() {{{ [search:$(flds)$[query]] }}}
>>
>> <$list filter="[fields[]regexp[_plac$]]" variable="flds">
>> <>
>> 
>>
>  
> Addendum:
>
> The above code will work, but... it searches for each field name 
> separately.  As a result, if there are multiple fieldnames in the same 
> tiddler that contain the query text, that tiddler will be listed multiple 
> times.
>
> Your intuition to use "join[,]" to construct a list of fields is actually 
> the better approach.  Thus:
> \define searchflds() {{{ [search:$(flds)$[query]] }}}
>
> <$vars flds={{{ [fields[]regexp[_plac$]join[,]] }}}>
> <>
> 
>
> Notes:
> * the $vars finds all fieldnames ending in "_plac" and assembles a 
> comma-separated list
> * the searchflds macro then uses that list of fieldnames to find the 
> occurrences of "query" within any of those fields
>
> Because the search is looking in all of the "_plac" fieldnames at the same 
> time, any matching tiddlers are only listed once.
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Search the values of fields where field names are generated?

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 11:24:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> \define searchflds() {{{ [search:$(flds)$[query]] }}}
>
> <$list filter="[fields[]regexp[_plac$]]" variable="flds">
> <>
> 
>
 
Addendum:

The above code will work, but... it searches for each field name 
separately.  As a result, if there are multiple fieldnames in the same 
tiddler that contain the query text, that tiddler will be listed multiple 
times.

Your intuition to use "join[,]" to construct a list of fields is actually 
the better approach.  Thus:
<$vars flds={{{ [fields[]regexp[_plac$]join[,]] }}}>
<>


Notes:
* the $vars finds all fieldnames ending in "_plac" and assembles a 
comma-separated list
* the searchflds macro then uses that list of fieldnames to find the 
occurrences of "query" within any of those fields

Because the search is looking in all of the "_plac" fieldnames at the same 
time, any matching tiddlers are only listed once.

-e

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[tw5] Re: Search the values of fields where field names are generated?

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 10:31:20 AM UTC-7, amreus wrote:
>
> I would like to search all my tiddler's fields that match a regexp 
> /_plac$/ 
> <$list filter="[fields[]regexp[_plac$]]" variable="flds">
> {{{
>   [search:<>[query]]
> }}}
> 
>

If I understand your goal correctly, you want to find all tiddlers that 
have a fieldname ending in "_plac" and then search those fields for a value 
that contains the text "query" and then show the names of those tiddlers

If that is the case, then you were very close.  The issue is that filter 
syntax doesn't permit use of variables in the suffix (e.g. the part after 
the colon in "search:suffix").

However, you can work around this by using a macro to substitute the 
variable value into the syntax, like this:
\define searchflds() {{{ [search:$(flds)$[query]] }}}

<$list filter="[fields[]regexp[_plac$]]" variable="flds">
<>


-e


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[tw5] Re: Search the values of fields where field names are generated?

[amreus]

Here's is the actual filter. I thought maybe the join is more correct with 
the search operator:

[image: 2020-08-29_140459.png]

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 2:01:16 PM UTC-4 amreus wrote:

> I thought to reverse it also - that is search all fields for the term and 
> then filter the titles by the selected fields, but I didn't have any luck 
> with that filter syntax.  It's  possible I just haven't typed the filters 
> correctly.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:56:14 PM UTC-4 amreus wrote:
>
>> It is true I am still having difficulty with the appropriate contexts and 
>> meanings of the various types and amounts of brackets.
>>
>> But alas, it did not work.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:51:08 PM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> It will probably work if you just change <> to  inside the 
>>> internal filter. Inside of filters, variables use single angle brackets. 
>>> Outside filters, double angle brackets.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 10:31:20 AM UTC-7, amreus wrote:


 I would like to search all my tiddler's fields that match a regexp 
 /_plac$/ 

 Something like this not-valid syntax:

 <$list filter="[fields[]regexp[_plac$]]" variable="flds">
 {{{
   [search:<>[query]]
 }}}
 

 Is possible? 
 Thanks.

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Search the values of fields where field names are generated?

[amreus]

I thought to reverse it also - that is search all fields for the term and 
then filter the titles by the selected fields, but I didn't have any luck 
with that filter syntax.  It's  possible I just haven't typed the filters 
correctly.



On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:56:14 PM UTC-4 amreus wrote:

> It is true I am still having difficulty with the appropriate contexts and 
> meanings of the various types and amounts of brackets.
>
> But alas, it did not work.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:51:08 PM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> It will probably work if you just change <> to  inside the 
>> internal filter. Inside of filters, variables use single angle brackets. 
>> Outside filters, double angle brackets.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 10:31:20 AM UTC-7, amreus wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to search all my tiddler's fields that match a regexp 
>>> /_plac$/ 
>>>
>>> Something like this not-valid syntax:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[fields[]regexp[_plac$]]" variable="flds">
>>> {{{
>>>   [search:<>[query]]
>>> }}}
>>> 
>>>
>>> Is possible? 
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Search the values of fields where field names are generated?

[amreus]

It is true I am still having difficulty with the appropriate contexts and 
meanings of the various types and amounts of brackets.

But alas, it did not work.



On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:51:08 PM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:

> It will probably work if you just change <> to  inside the 
> internal filter. Inside of filters, variables use single angle brackets. 
> Outside filters, double angle brackets.
>
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 10:31:20 AM UTC-7, amreus wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would like to search all my tiddler's fields that match a regexp 
>> /_plac$/ 
>>
>> Something like this not-valid syntax:
>>
>> <$list filter="[fields[]regexp[_plac$]]" variable="flds">
>> {{{
>>   [search:<>[query]]
>> }}}
>> 
>>
>> Is possible? 
>> Thanks.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Search the values of fields where field names are generated?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It will probably work if you just change <> to  inside the 
internal filter. Inside of filters, variables use single angle brackets. 
Outside filters, double angle brackets.

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 10:31:20 AM UTC-7, amreus wrote:
>
>
> I would like to search all my tiddler's fields that match a regexp 
> /_plac$/ 
>
> Something like this not-valid syntax:
>
> <$list filter="[fields[]regexp[_plac$]]" variable="flds">
> {{{
>   [search:<>[query]]
> }}}
> 
>
> Is possible? 
> Thanks.
>

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[tw5] Re: Split a Date, show as text not link?

[amreus]

Excellent discussion and examples. Thanks to everyone who replied. 

I wonder why the textwidget requires the text= part if it only has one 
parameter?  Writing

<$text {{{[[2020-06-26]split[-]first[]]}}}/> 

wouldn't be a bad option.


On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-4 PMario wrote:

> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 1:03:24 AM UTC+2, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> Amreus, Et Al...
>>
>> I do think there ought to be some sort of shortcut syntax for non-linked 
>>> text in filtered transclusion.  I wouldn't have a preference yet as to how 
>>> it might look.
>>>
>>
>> I totally agree with this, but rather than say "non-linked text". I would 
>> say plain text. Its such a fundamental need, the long winded text widget is 
>> a pain when reading code.
>>
>> Just as a suggestion what it triple single quotes delimited it?
>>
>> '''{{{[[2020-06-26]split[-]first[]]}}}'''
>>
>
> There is a discussion at github about this exact problem. Discussion about 
> a possible solution starts here: 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4816#issuecomment-673971149 
> .. .You'll also need to read the following posts from Jeremy. 
>
> So there is a chance that we get a fix. .. You may want to +1 your 
> favorites at the github issues page. 
>
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: Template or macro or other?

[amreus]

I wanted to say thanks to everyone and even if I do not always reply to 
every post, I do read everything and try to learn.  The explanations and 
examples are extremely helpful. So thank you again!


On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 1:18:00 PM UTC-4 PMario wrote:

> Hi
> I needed to fix some typos in the last post.
> -m
>

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[tw5] Search the values of fields where field names are generated?

[amreus]

I would like to search all my tiddler's fields that match a regexp /_plac$/ 

Something like this not-valid syntax:

<$list filter="[fields[]regexp[_plac$]]" variable="flds">
{{{
  [search:<>[query]]
}}}


Is possible? 
Thanks.

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[tw5] is it possible to import and embed an .swf file?

[Corey Woodworth]

I'd like to have a couple flash utilities collected as individual tiddlers 
in a document.

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[tw5] Re: I'm looking for a quote

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 3:12:22 AM UTC-7, bimlas wrote:
>
> I’ve read a quote before about programming, but if I remember correctly, I 
> found it about note-taking methods. Does anyone know? Where does this quote 
> come from?
> It was similar, if I remember correctly:
> "When we start programming, we have to forget what programming is, what a 
> computer is, and that's the only way we can be really creative."
>

Though it's not the same, many years ago, I wrote:
*"The best way to learn how to use TiddlyWiki, is to forget that you don't 
know how to use TiddlyWiki".*

and I'm reminded of this quote from Douglas Adams:
*“There is an art to flying, or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning 
how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”*
(http://www.extremelysmart.com/humor/howtofly.php)

*-e*

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[tw5] Re: I'm looking for a quote

[JD]

Sorry to disrupt, but the above quote reminds me of a documentary I saw 
about the mind of Einstein, and how it was ultimately his creativity that 
birthed his famous theories. He delved into the relationship of space-time 
in a way that few other physicists explored at the time, existing as they 
may already in fiction (though I haven't read any sci-fi published during 
the 1900s to know if these concepts were actually already in fiction by 
then). 

These thoughts get me into such a mood, pondering relationships that exist 
between art and function... function and art... why do proponents of either 
often dismiss the other? They exist so beautifully together...


On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 10:41:38 PM UTC+9, bimlas wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, Mat, but that's not what I meant. : D
>
> I'm trying to clarify the quote:
>
> "When I start programming, I forget everything I know about programming. I 
> forget what programming is. I forget what a computer is at all. That's when 
> I get really creative."
>
> (the last sentence may not be in the quote)
>

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[tw5] Re: Organising mixed Journal and 'Fact/Knowledge Base' Tiddlers

[Charlie Veniot]

Using a martial arts analogy, I would be a pale-yellow (maybe spotted pale 
yellow) TiddlyWiki user, which makes me not particularly helpful here.

Please, if you have the opportunity and don't mind, could you share a 
sample (even if just a screenshot) of whatever final (or stop-gap) solution 
you adopt?  I'd love to see that in action.

*Total aside:*

TiddlyWiki is my absolute favourite solution for non-linear (or, as in my 
case, scatter-brain) writing.  Every once in a blue moon, though, I really 
enjoy using TreeSheets  (mostly because I'm 
fascinated by the thing.)  When I want a very simple visual of hierarchical 
information (like I said:  that's a blue moon event), it hits the sweet 
spot for me.  (TreeSheets can do much more than what I use it for, but I 
much prefer TiddlyWiki for 99.9% of what I do.)

(Both CherryTree  and Zim 
 are quite wonderful for hierarchical note-taking, 
but they don't work at all for this brain and my mindset:  if it doesn't do 
transclusion, it is useless to me.  TreeSheets and Vym 
 excluded, when I'm doing small/focused 
hierarchical stuff or really need to visually map something out.)

Just a few simple TreeSheet output samples:

   - 
   
https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/EvolutionaryHistoryOfLife.png
   - 
   https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/SeagullMerlinTablature.png
   

*Even more total aside:*

Can you setup your visible ID (not sure what to call it) so that it doesn't 
have "gmail.com" in it?  Google Groups gave me some funky warning message 
about me including an email address in my comments.  Not sure if that's 
because I clicked on the "..." button to see the details of your message to 
which I'm replying.


On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 5:50:44 AM UTC-3 jonligh... wrote:

> Many thanks to all, I am working my way through the suggestions - I am 
> also looking at the code in the system tiddler $:/Manager ( when used as 
> tag manager ) for inspiration as to how to automatically list all my tags 
> and to create a view for each tag if clicked.
>
>
> On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 01:20:39 UTC+1 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 4:41:52 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>>>
>>> There are many ways to achieve something like this. Default tiddlers can 
>>> be used to load something at the top every time but another way is to use 
>>> the special tiddler $:/config/EmptyStoryMessage 
>>> 
>>>
>>
>> Both of these methods allow the "pinned" tiddler to be closed as long as 
>> there are other tiddlers still showing in the Story River.
>>
>> -e
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

[Keelan Cook]

Just took it for a spin. I'm having no errors so far, and though subtle, 
it's a great update. The split-at-caret behavior is much more intuitive for 
me now. I much prefer the new node being created above the existing node if 
the caret is at the beginning. That effectively moves the current node down 
one in the order (with all of it's sub-nodes) and presents a new node in 
the order above it. That's precisely the behavior I expect.

I like having the option to confirm split or merge workflow as a 
configuration option, though that will be a minority use case for me. 

And, the improvement for mobile on saving with exit was needed. My tablet 
also pushes TW5 to a mobile layout, and before this update, attempting to 
exit a node with my stylus was convoluted at best. This has made that a 
much easier action. 

Great update, Saq!
On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 5:24:23 AM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> There is an update to Streams (0.1.14) that brings a fair few small 
> features and changes, and *needs some testing* and feedback.
> Please backup your wiki before updating and test carefully before using 
> with important data.
>
> New configuration options that toggle settings depending on whether they 
> are set to yes or no:
>
>
>- *$:/config/sq/streams/split-at-caret* split the text of a node at 
>the caret position when saving the node with Enter. This is 
>existing behaviour that can now be toggled.
>- *$:/config/sq/streams/prompt-split-to-multiple* prompt for 
>confirmation when splitting a node to multiple nodes, triggered 
>by Alt+Enter. New feature.
>- *$:/config/sq/streams/prompt-merge-with-previous* prompt the user 
>before attempting to merge a node with the previous node, triggered 
>by Backspace with the caret position at the beginning of the 
>text. New feature.
>- *$:/config/sq/streams/exit-on-saving-empty-node *Exit edit mode on 
>saving an empty node with Enter. Allows exiting edit mode on 
>mobile. New feature.
>
> With split-at-caret set to "yes", saving a node with Enter with the caret 
> at the start of the text will create a new node above the current node. 
>
> Backspace with the caret at the start of a node will attempt to merge with 
> the previous node, provided it is at the same indent level and has no child 
> nodes. This is an intentionally simplified and constrained behaviour 
> intended as an undo to the above split option. By default the user is 
> prompted for confirmation before merging, this can be disabled by setting 
> prompt-merge-with-previous to "no"
>
> By default, saving a node with Alt+Enter will ask for confirmation before 
> splitting the text into multiple nodes. The prompt can be disabled by 
> setting prompt-split-to-multiple to "no"
>
> To allow exiting edit mode on mobile devices, set 
> exit-on-saving-empty-node to "yes". This will exit edit mode when 
> attempting to save an empty node with Enter. In other words, hit Enter 
> twice to exit editing.
>
>  https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
>

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[tw5] Re: I'm looking for a quote

[bimlas]

I'm sorry, Mat, but that's not what I meant. : D

I'm trying to clarify the quote:

"When I start programming, I forget everything I know about programming. I 
forget what programming is. I forget what a computer is at all. That's when 
I get really creative."

(the last sentence may not be in the quote)

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[tw5] Re: I'm looking for a quote

[Mat]

>
> "When we start programming, we have to forget what programming is, what a 
> computer is, and that's the only way we can be really creative."
>

I am the originator of that quote. The exact quote is:

"When I started programming I forgot what the heck I was doing and where 
was my computer anyway? To find it behind the sofa I had to be really 
creative."

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: RFC Request for Comment - color intuitions

[JD]

Hi TW Tones, 

Like Bimlas, I've also applied this custom styling in my personal wiki 
through title links. 

In my case, specifically in the Timeline Macro, or any list that will call 
up <>, I've personalized title links to show up like this.

 

Excuse the draft-y, unorganized picture (my personal wiki is disorganizedly 
organized)

I've set my <> to do all sorts of detection to 
automatically add icons, buttons, text, or just a style to a tiddler link. 
In the above picture, here are detections, and icons/buttons/styles added:

   - system tiddlers have a style, and are prefixed with a <> macro 
   in a dropdown localized to that specific tiddler
   - type:text tiddlers are styled in monospace
   - tiddlers tagged *tiddlywiki* show the tagpill beside them
   - tagged:ToDo tiddlers are prefixed with a button that will set/unset 
   tag:ToDo-Done, 
   - tagged:ToDo-Done tiddlers are line-through'ed, 
   - external-link tiddlers (tiddlers with a field:*URL*) are prefixed with 
   a button *[[*]]* that will open a new tab pointing to field:*URL*

...and so on.

Sorry if the above is a bit out of the topic, I just wanted to give a 
personal insight... through the building of these quite customized 
detectors, I've found the easiest way was for me to be able to add styles 
on the fly. If you think this is relevant, I can extract a bit of my wiki 
to give to you as a demo of the system I built.

-jd



On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:42:04 PM UTC+9, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I have being playing with CSS and its integration into TiddlyWiki and 
> realise there is more than enough opportunity especially with the new Custom 
> styles by data tags 
>  etc... to 
> realise a smart, subtle and intuitive interface.
>
> This is not an idea for a theme, nor even just CSS but taking a range 
> tiddlywiki tiddler and page elements, that change and provide a subtle 
> variation particularly with colour, pale backgrounds, boarder style, 
> thickness and shadows.
>
> Examples may be
>
>- A pail green background when a tiddler is in draft mode, 
>- A Dark a green border if the tiddler begins with "New Tiddler" 
>- A yellow boarder if the tiddler is an Orphan
>- A Pale grey background if the tiddler an unedited shadow
>- and many more
>
> The idea is to take common facts about tiddlers or the wiki as a whole and 
> use these to leave subtle messages to the user 
>
>- We need not know the exact detail of such indicators, because if you 
>use a consistent set they will become evident over time.
>   - This would be supported further, if we *produce a de facto 
>   standard and shared it widely *(or added to the standard 
>   distribution)
>- They should be designed for light and dark themes and not influence 
>the overall theme too much.
>- Scanning down the story list it will be quick and easy to locate 
>tiddlers based on these subtle colors
>- When viewing or editing a tiddler various things will be evident 
>that may not normally be visible, like this tiddler is also a tag.
>- Using color and other elements, even just coloured shadows will not 
>impact the layout in anyway.
>- Perhaps something similar could be added to the standard list item 
>so links suggest the tiddlers content as well.
>- All this could be toggled on and off with a click.
>
> So I started this topic for *feedback and inspiration from the community*, 
> if you have any ideas such as the following please comment.
>
>- Identify elements we can style in both view and edit mode
>- Suggested meaning for things like dotted boarders
>- Or meaning full associations with colors eg; red warning, green new, 
>etc...
>- What are the ways to identify these different attributes? eg no 
>tags/tags  {{{ [{!!tags}is[blank]then[notags]] }}} {{{ 
>[{!!tags}!is[blank]then[hastags]] }}}
>- Indicating an over all wikimode?
>
> To support this effort I have also built a library of more than 800 named 
> colours, so a spectrum of colours can be used eg "Bigger tiddlers darker 
> boarder" etc...
>
> Regards
> TW Tones
>

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to apply tag filters to the story river?

[JD]

Glad this helped! 

Essentially all you needed was for an action to set field:*list* of 
tiddler:*$:/StoryList 
*to be the result of filter:*[tag[TagName]]*, and yes, there are many paths 
to produce and present this list, as I'm sure you've found exploring 
Tiddlywiki ^^,



On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 9:02:51 PM UTC+9, Jon Light wrote:
>
> Correction - its exactly what I wanted :-) I just needed to play with it a 
> little to realise it ticks all the boxes - Brilliant - many thanks !
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 12:52:37 UTC+1 Jon Light wrote:
>
>> Hi JD,
>>
>> Thanks so much for the solution you posted - straight out of the tin it 
>> is pretty much what I wanted and certainly a great starting point for 
>> tinkering.
>> I am glad I asked for help!
>> I really appreciate your time.
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 12:41:32 UTC+1 Jon Light wrote:
>>
>>> Hi JD
>>>
>>> Thanks very much for responding.
>>>
>>> I was thinking of a menu bar at the top for the tag-pills but a side bar 
>>> might be a good way to do it as well. 
>>>
>>> The tag list would not be a tree structure, just a linear list with no 
>>> sense of hierarchy. I have already played around with creating a menu 
>>> tiddler but lacked the knowledge how to create the necessary code content 
>>>
>>> So if I had tags
>>>
>>> A B C D E F G Journal
>>>
>>> Then clicking on A would show all tiddlers that have tag A  in general* 
>>> I do not need conditionals that involve more than one tag at a time. 
>>>
>>> My journal tiddlers do not have any additional tags so mutual 
>>> exclusivity exists.   
>>>
>>> *It would be nice to have an extra pill that meant "all except journal" 
>>> - this would show any tiddler that had at least one of the tags [ABCDEFG] 
>>> or alternatively did NOT have the tag journal ( courtesy of mutual 
>>> exclusivity ) but I could live without this.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 11:51:25 UTC+1 JD wrote:
>>>
 EDIT:

 I have some more questions, Jon ^^,

 1. Do you want the tag list to have a tree-structure? 

 2. While already filtered on a tag, do you want it so that clicking 
 another tagpill will filter it down some more?
 *Sample*: clicking *KENM* will filter the storylist to: 
 *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[KENM]]*
 then clicking *MEME *will narrow it some 
 more to *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[TAGGER]tag[MEME]]* (tiddlers 
 tagged *KENM* and *MEME*)

 ...or will clicking *MEME* replace the 
 story tiddler to  *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[MEME]]* ?

 btw.. Tiddlywiki can behave however you like ^^,


 On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:36:33 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>
> I can help you with this, but I'd like to know where you'd like this 
> tag list to show? In the sidebar? 
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:07:59 PM UTC+9, Jon Light wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Noobie here,
>>
>> I asked my first question yesterday, I think I can better express it 
>> in TiddlyWiki terminology.
>>
>> I would like to be able to create a list of tag-pills such that when 
>> I click on one the story river is filtered to only show tiddlers that 
>> have 
>> that tag.
>>
>> The project I have in mind breaks down into two parts.
>>
>> 1. Creation of a tiddler that displays a tag-pill for each of my 
>> tags. Ideally I would also like to add options to not filter at all and 
>> one 
>> to filter out tiddlers with tag "Journal". 
>>
>> 2. When one of the tag-pills mentioned in 1. is clicked I would like 
>> the story river to be filtered so as to show only tiddlers that have the 
>> corresponding tags. I might wish to look at only my journal tiddlers in 
>> which case I would click the journal tag-pill.
>>
>> I might be fighting the intended flow of tiddlyWiki here, I note that 
>> tag-pills when clicked on offer a drop down offering the user a list of 
>> all 
>> corresponding tiddlers which they can then visit if they make a 
>> selection. 
>> In a sense I am trying to create a tiddler where the pull-down is 
>> replaced 
>> conceptually by a filtered story-river - the user then 'chooses' from 
>> the 
>> list presented in the story river rather than from a pull down.  
>>
>> In my first attempt at asking this question I was talking of "views" 
>> but now with a little more familiarity I think what I am really asking 
>> is... 
>>
>> how can I filter the story river according to a users choice of a 
>> single nominated tag?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: RFC Request for Comment - color intuitions

[bimlas]

Although I like the principle, I am afraid it is difficult to mark several 
conditions in one place. For example, if we were to play with the color of 
the border, we would need multiple borders, denoting all of them at once:

   - The tiddler is a member
   - Shadow tiddler
   - Overriden shadow tiddler

We can also mark the properties of a tiddler in separate places, for 
example, its background color would indicate that it is a tag, title color 
would indicate shadow, and border would indicate overriden, but this would 
only lead to conflicts because it would not be clear which property to 
display where.

I have no idea about the solution, I just indicate that there may be such 
obstacles to implementation.

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[tw5] Re: [PLUGIN] Presenting "Panulat-edittheme", an edit template theme

[Saq Imtiaz]

@JD no rush, at your own convenience. 

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:41:33 PM UTC+2 JD wrote:

> Thanks as always for the feedback, Saq! 
>
> And you're right, that will prove to be a better experience, and will be a 
> quick update to boot. Unfortunately, I've no time tonight and will have to 
> delay that preference.
>
> -jd
>
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:23:41 PM UTC+9, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> Hi JD,
>>
>> Very nicely done, thanks for sharing.
>>
>> I would like to suggest having an option that removes the dropdown and 
>> puts those settings in the ControlPanel instead. 
>> I would probably just set the configuration once to my liking and never 
>> need the dropdown again, so it would be nice to remove the dropdown button 
>> and further remove clutter.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>>
>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 11:49:19 AM UTC+2 JD wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, JD here! 
>>>
>>> Before I go all-in on another personal theme-ing journey, I'd like to 
>>> separate a palatable tidbit I can present to you all. 
>>>
>>> This is *Panulat-edittheme*, a plugin for those who'd like to dress the 
>>> core edit template a little without theming the whole of tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> As you can see, I've combined *type *and *fields *into a footer-area. 
>>> Other than that, these aesthetics are just CSS. 
>>>
>>> *Some features:*
>>>
>>>- Editor Toolbar can be sticky! Even with preview off (browser-based 
>>>compatibility)
>>>- Mobile-friendly editing, where editor toolbar scrolls horizontally 
>>>and things are compact
>>>- Word and character count
>>>- Toggle on/off the tags area, editor toolbar, and type & fields 
>>>area via a dropdown while in edit template
>>>
>>>
>>> You can check it out here: http://j.d.panulat-edittheme.tiddlyspot.com/ to 
>>> see other features and install, if you like. 
>>>
>>> -jd
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to apply tag filters to the story river?

[Jon Light]

Correction - its exactly what I wanted :-) I just needed to play with it a 
little to realise it ticks all the boxes - Brilliant - many thanks !



On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 12:52:37 UTC+1 Jon Light wrote:

> Hi JD,
>
> Thanks so much for the solution you posted - straight out of the tin it is 
> pretty much what I wanted and certainly a great starting point for 
> tinkering.
> I am glad I asked for help!
> I really appreciate your time.
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 12:41:32 UTC+1 Jon Light wrote:
>
>> Hi JD
>>
>> Thanks very much for responding.
>>
>> I was thinking of a menu bar at the top for the tag-pills but a side bar 
>> might be a good way to do it as well. 
>>
>> The tag list would not be a tree structure, just a linear list with no 
>> sense of hierarchy. I have already played around with creating a menu 
>> tiddler but lacked the knowledge how to create the necessary code content 
>>
>> So if I had tags
>>
>> A B C D E F G Journal
>>
>> Then clicking on A would show all tiddlers that have tag A  in general* I 
>> do not need conditionals that involve more than one tag at a time. 
>>
>> My journal tiddlers do not have any additional tags so mutual exclusivity 
>> exists.   
>>
>> *It would be nice to have an extra pill that meant "all except journal" - 
>> this would show any tiddler that had at least one of the tags [ABCDEFG] or 
>> alternatively did NOT have the tag journal ( courtesy of mutual exclusivity 
>> ) but I could live without this.  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 11:51:25 UTC+1 JD wrote:
>>
>>> EDIT:
>>>
>>> I have some more questions, Jon ^^,
>>>
>>> 1. Do you want the tag list to have a tree-structure? 
>>>
>>> 2. While already filtered on a tag, do you want it so that clicking 
>>> another tagpill will filter it down some more?
>>> *Sample*: clicking *KENM* will filter the storylist to: 
>>> *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[KENM]]*
>>> then clicking *MEME *will narrow it some 
>>> more to *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[TAGGER]tag[MEME]]* (tiddlers tagged 
>>> *KENM* and *MEME*)
>>>
>>> ...or will clicking *MEME* replace the 
>>> story tiddler to  *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[MEME]]* ?
>>>
>>> btw.. Tiddlywiki can behave however you like ^^,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:36:33 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:

 I can help you with this, but I'd like to know where you'd like this 
 tag list to show? In the sidebar? 

 On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:07:59 PM UTC+9, Jon Light wrote:
>
>
> Hi Noobie here,
>
> I asked my first question yesterday, I think I can better express it 
> in TiddlyWiki terminology.
>
> I would like to be able to create a list of tag-pills such that when I 
> click on one the story river is filtered to only show tiddlers that have 
> that tag.
>
> The project I have in mind breaks down into two parts.
>
> 1. Creation of a tiddler that displays a tag-pill for each of my tags. 
> Ideally I would also like to add options to not filter at all and one to 
> filter out tiddlers with tag "Journal". 
>
> 2. When one of the tag-pills mentioned in 1. is clicked I would like 
> the story river to be filtered so as to show only tiddlers that have the 
> corresponding tags. I might wish to look at only my journal tiddlers in 
> which case I would click the journal tag-pill.
>
> I might be fighting the intended flow of tiddlyWiki here, I note that 
> tag-pills when clicked on offer a drop down offering the user a list of 
> all 
> corresponding tiddlers which they can then visit if they make a 
> selection. 
> In a sense I am trying to create a tiddler where the pull-down is 
> replaced 
> conceptually by a filtered story-river - the user then 'chooses' from the 
> list presented in the story river rather than from a pull down.  
>
> In my first attempt at asking this question I was talking of "views" 
> but now with a little more familiarity I think what I am really asking 
> is... 
>
> how can I filter the story river according to a users choice of a 
> single nominated tag?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to apply tag filters to the story river?

[bimlas]

I may not understand your exact purpose, but it seems that the Locator 
plugin may be useful to you: https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/

jonligh...@gmail.com a következőt írta (2020. augusztus 29., szombat, 
13:52:37 UTC+2):

> Hi JD,
>
> Thanks so much for the solution you posted - straight out of the tin it is 
> pretty much what I wanted and certainly a great starting point for 
> tinkering.
> I am glad I asked for help!
> I really appreciate your time.
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 12:41:32 UTC+1 Jon Light wrote:
>
>> Hi JD
>>
>> Thanks very much for responding.
>>
>> I was thinking of a menu bar at the top for the tag-pills but a side bar 
>> might be a good way to do it as well. 
>>
>> The tag list would not be a tree structure, just a linear list with no 
>> sense of hierarchy. I have already played around with creating a menu 
>> tiddler but lacked the knowledge how to create the necessary code content 
>>
>> So if I had tags
>>
>> A B C D E F G Journal
>>
>> Then clicking on A would show all tiddlers that have tag A  in general* I 
>> do not need conditionals that involve more than one tag at a time. 
>>
>> My journal tiddlers do not have any additional tags so mutual exclusivity 
>> exists.   
>>
>> *It would be nice to have an extra pill that meant "all except journal" - 
>> this would show any tiddler that had at least one of the tags [ABCDEFG] or 
>> alternatively did NOT have the tag journal ( courtesy of mutual exclusivity 
>> ) but I could live without this.  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 11:51:25 UTC+1 JD wrote:
>>
>>> EDIT:
>>>
>>> I have some more questions, Jon ^^,
>>>
>>> 1. Do you want the tag list to have a tree-structure? 
>>>
>>> 2. While already filtered on a tag, do you want it so that clicking 
>>> another tagpill will filter it down some more?
>>> *Sample*: clicking *KENM* will filter the storylist to: 
>>> *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[KENM]]*
>>> then clicking *MEME *will narrow it some 
>>> more to *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[TAGGER]tag[MEME]]* (tiddlers tagged 
>>> *KENM* and *MEME*)
>>>
>>> ...or will clicking *MEME* replace the 
>>> story tiddler to  *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[MEME]]* ?
>>>
>>> btw.. Tiddlywiki can behave however you like ^^,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:36:33 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:

 I can help you with this, but I'd like to know where you'd like this 
 tag list to show? In the sidebar? 

 On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:07:59 PM UTC+9, Jon Light wrote:
>
>
> Hi Noobie here,
>
> I asked my first question yesterday, I think I can better express it 
> in TiddlyWiki terminology.
>
> I would like to be able to create a list of tag-pills such that when I 
> click on one the story river is filtered to only show tiddlers that have 
> that tag.
>
> The project I have in mind breaks down into two parts.
>
> 1. Creation of a tiddler that displays a tag-pill for each of my tags. 
> Ideally I would also like to add options to not filter at all and one to 
> filter out tiddlers with tag "Journal". 
>
> 2. When one of the tag-pills mentioned in 1. is clicked I would like 
> the story river to be filtered so as to show only tiddlers that have the 
> corresponding tags. I might wish to look at only my journal tiddlers in 
> which case I would click the journal tag-pill.
>
> I might be fighting the intended flow of tiddlyWiki here, I note that 
> tag-pills when clicked on offer a drop down offering the user a list of 
> all 
> corresponding tiddlers which they can then visit if they make a 
> selection. 
> In a sense I am trying to create a tiddler where the pull-down is 
> replaced 
> conceptually by a filtered story-river - the user then 'chooses' from the 
> list presented in the story river rather than from a pull down.  
>
> In my first attempt at asking this question I was talking of "views" 
> but now with a little more familiarity I think what I am really asking 
> is... 
>
> how can I filter the story river according to a users choice of a 
> single nominated tag?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to apply tag filters to the story river?

[Jon Light]

Hi JD,

Thanks so much for the solution you posted - straight out of the tin it is 
pretty much what I wanted and certainly a great starting point for 
tinkering.
I am glad I asked for help!
I really appreciate your time.
Jon







On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 12:41:32 UTC+1 Jon Light wrote:

> Hi JD
>
> Thanks very much for responding.
>
> I was thinking of a menu bar at the top for the tag-pills but a side bar 
> might be a good way to do it as well. 
>
> The tag list would not be a tree structure, just a linear list with no 
> sense of hierarchy. I have already played around with creating a menu 
> tiddler but lacked the knowledge how to create the necessary code content 
>
> So if I had tags
>
> A B C D E F G Journal
>
> Then clicking on A would show all tiddlers that have tag A  in general* I 
> do not need conditionals that involve more than one tag at a time. 
>
> My journal tiddlers do not have any additional tags so mutual exclusivity 
> exists.   
>
> *It would be nice to have an extra pill that meant "all except journal" - 
> this would show any tiddler that had at least one of the tags [ABCDEFG] or 
> alternatively did NOT have the tag journal ( courtesy of mutual exclusivity 
> ) but I could live without this.  
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 11:51:25 UTC+1 JD wrote:
>
>> EDIT:
>>
>> I have some more questions, Jon ^^,
>>
>> 1. Do you want the tag list to have a tree-structure? 
>>
>> 2. While already filtered on a tag, do you want it so that clicking 
>> another tagpill will filter it down some more?
>> *Sample*: clicking *KENM* will filter the storylist to: 
>> *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[KENM]]*
>> then clicking *MEME *will narrow it some 
>> more to *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[TAGGER]tag[MEME]]* (tiddlers tagged 
>> *KENM* and *MEME*)
>>
>> ...or will clicking *MEME* replace the story 
>> tiddler to  *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[MEME]]* ?
>>
>> btw.. Tiddlywiki can behave however you like ^^,
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:36:33 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> I can help you with this, but I'd like to know where you'd like this tag 
>>> list to show? In the sidebar? 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:07:59 PM UTC+9, Jon Light wrote:


 Hi Noobie here,

 I asked my first question yesterday, I think I can better express it in 
 TiddlyWiki terminology.

 I would like to be able to create a list of tag-pills such that when I 
 click on one the story river is filtered to only show tiddlers that have 
 that tag.

 The project I have in mind breaks down into two parts.

 1. Creation of a tiddler that displays a tag-pill for each of my tags. 
 Ideally I would also like to add options to not filter at all and one to 
 filter out tiddlers with tag "Journal". 

 2. When one of the tag-pills mentioned in 1. is clicked I would like 
 the story river to be filtered so as to show only tiddlers that have the 
 corresponding tags. I might wish to look at only my journal tiddlers in 
 which case I would click the journal tag-pill.

 I might be fighting the intended flow of tiddlyWiki here, I note that 
 tag-pills when clicked on offer a drop down offering the user a list of 
 all 
 corresponding tiddlers which they can then visit if they make a selection. 
 In a sense I am trying to create a tiddler where the pull-down is replaced 
 conceptually by a filtered story-river - the user then 'chooses' from the 
 list presented in the story river rather than from a pull down.  

 In my first attempt at asking this question I was talking of "views" 
 but now with a little more familiarity I think what I am really asking 
 is... 

 how can I filter the story river according to a users choice of a 
 single nominated tag?










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[tw5] Re: [PLUGIN] Presenting "Panulat-edittheme", an edit template theme

[JD]

Thanks as always for the feedback, Saq! 

And you're right, that will prove to be a better experience, and will be a 
quick update to boot. Unfortunately, I've no time tonight and will have to 
delay that preference.

-jd

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:23:41 PM UTC+9, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Hi JD,
>
> Very nicely done, thanks for sharing.
>
> I would like to suggest having an option that removes the dropdown and 
> puts those settings in the ControlPanel instead. 
> I would probably just set the configuration once to my liking and never 
> need the dropdown again, so it would be nice to remove the dropdown button 
> and further remove clutter.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 11:49:19 AM UTC+2 JD wrote:
>
>> Hello, JD here! 
>>
>> Before I go all-in on another personal theme-ing journey, I'd like to 
>> separate a palatable tidbit I can present to you all. 
>>
>> This is *Panulat-edittheme*, a plugin for those who'd like to dress the 
>> core edit template a little without theming the whole of tiddlywiki.
>>
>>  
>>
>> As you can see, I've combined *type *and *fields *into a footer-area. 
>> Other than that, these aesthetics are just CSS. 
>>
>> *Some features:*
>>
>>- Editor Toolbar can be sticky! Even with preview off (browser-based 
>>compatibility)
>>- Mobile-friendly editing, where editor toolbar scrolls horizontally 
>>and things are compact
>>- Word and character count
>>- Toggle on/off the tags area, editor toolbar, and type & fields area 
>>via a dropdown while in edit template
>>
>>
>> You can check it out here: http://j.d.panulat-edittheme.tiddlyspot.com/ to 
>> see other features and install, if you like. 
>>
>> -jd
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to apply tag filters to the story river?

[Jon Light]

Hi JD

Thanks very much for responding.

I was thinking of a menu bar at the top for the tag-pills but a side bar 
might be a good way to do it as well. 

The tag list would not be a tree structure, just a linear list with no 
sense of hierarchy. I have already played around with creating a menu 
tiddler but lacked the knowledge how to create the necessary code content 

So if I had tags

A B C D E F G Journal

Then clicking on A would show all tiddlers that have tag A  in general* I 
do not need conditionals that involve more than one tag at a time. 

My journal tiddlers do not have any additional tags so mutual exclusivity 
exists.   

*It would be nice to have an extra pill that meant "all except journal" - 
this would show any tiddler that had at least one of the tags [ABCDEFG] or 
alternatively did NOT have the tag journal ( courtesy of mutual exclusivity 
) but I could live without this.  





On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 11:51:25 UTC+1 JD wrote:

> EDIT:
>
> I have some more questions, Jon ^^,
>
> 1. Do you want the tag list to have a tree-structure? 
>
> 2. While already filtered on a tag, do you want it so that clicking 
> another tagpill will filter it down some more?
> *Sample*: clicking *KENM* will filter the storylist to: 
> *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[KENM]]*
> then clicking *MEME *will narrow it some more 
> to *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[TAGGER]tag[MEME]]* (tiddlers tagged *KENM* 
> and *MEME*)
>
> ...or will clicking *MEME* replace the story 
> tiddler to  *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[MEME]]* ?
>
> btw.. Tiddlywiki can behave however you like ^^,
>
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:36:33 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>
>> I can help you with this, but I'd like to know where you'd like this tag 
>> list to show? In the sidebar? 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:07:59 PM UTC+9, Jon Light wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Noobie here,
>>>
>>> I asked my first question yesterday, I think I can better express it in 
>>> TiddlyWiki terminology.
>>>
>>> I would like to be able to create a list of tag-pills such that when I 
>>> click on one the story river is filtered to only show tiddlers that have 
>>> that tag.
>>>
>>> The project I have in mind breaks down into two parts.
>>>
>>> 1. Creation of a tiddler that displays a tag-pill for each of my tags. 
>>> Ideally I would also like to add options to not filter at all and one to 
>>> filter out tiddlers with tag "Journal". 
>>>
>>> 2. When one of the tag-pills mentioned in 1. is clicked I would like the 
>>> story river to be filtered so as to show only tiddlers that have the 
>>> corresponding tags. I might wish to look at only my journal tiddlers in 
>>> which case I would click the journal tag-pill.
>>>
>>> I might be fighting the intended flow of tiddlyWiki here, I note that 
>>> tag-pills when clicked on offer a drop down offering the user a list of all 
>>> corresponding tiddlers which they can then visit if they make a selection. 
>>> In a sense I am trying to create a tiddler where the pull-down is replaced 
>>> conceptually by a filtered story-river - the user then 'chooses' from the 
>>> list presented in the story river rather than from a pull down.  
>>>
>>> In my first attempt at asking this question I was talking of "views" but 
>>> now with a little more familiarity I think what I am really asking is... 
>>>
>>> how can I filter the story river according to a users choice of a single 
>>> nominated tag?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to apply tag filters to the story river?

[JD]

Anyway, you can begin with this:

Title: *PopulateStory*
Tags: *$:/tags/SideBar*
Text:
<$vars limit={{{ [[$:/state/limit]is[tiddler]then{$:/state/limit}else[10]] 
}}}>

<$range tiddler="$:/state/limit" min="10" max="100" default="10" 
increment="5"/>
limit: <$text text=<>/> tiddlers



<$macrocall $name="tag-pill" tag="All tiddlers" element-tag="$button" 
actions="""<$wikify name="filteredList" text="<$list 
filter='[!is[system]!sort[modified]limit]'><$text text='[['/><$text 
text={{!!title}}/><$text text=']] '/>"><$action-setfield 
$tiddler="$:/StoryList" list=<>/>"""/>
<$macrocall $name="tag-pill" tag="Journal" element-tag="$button" 
actions="""<$wikify name="filteredList" text="<$list 
filter='[!is[system]!sort[modified]tag[Journal]limit]'><$text 
text='[['/><$text text={{!!title}}/><$text text=']] 
'/>"><$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/StoryList" 
list=<>/>"""/>


<$list filter="[tags[]sort[title]] -Journal" variable="tagItem">
<$macrocall $name="tag-pill" tag=<> element-tag="$button" 
actions="""<$wikify name="filteredList" text="<$list 
filter='[!is[system]!sort[modified]taglimit]'><$text 
text='[['/><$text text={{!!title}}/><$text text=']] 
'/>"><$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/StoryList" 
list=<>/>"""/>






Before I go, please be aware this is not the only solution, there are many 
methods to do this, I think. Also, please be aware listing a lot of tag 
pills might cause your wiki to lag..! I tried the above code on 
Tiddlywiki.com itself, which has a lot of tagpills!

-jd

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:07:59 PM UTC+9, Jon Light wrote:
>
>
> Hi Noobie here,
>
> I asked my first question yesterday, I think I can better express it in 
> TiddlyWiki terminology.
>
> I would like to be able to create a list of tag-pills such that when I 
> click on one the story river is filtered to only show tiddlers that have 
> that tag.
>
> The project I have in mind breaks down into two parts.
>
> 1. Creation of a tiddler that displays a tag-pill for each of my tags. 
> Ideally I would also like to add options to not filter at all and one to 
> filter out tiddlers with tag "Journal". 
>
> 2. When one of the tag-pills mentioned in 1. is clicked I would like the 
> story river to be filtered so as to show only tiddlers that have the 
> corresponding tags. I might wish to look at only my journal tiddlers in 
> which case I would click the journal tag-pill.
>
> I might be fighting the intended flow of tiddlyWiki here, I note that 
> tag-pills when clicked on offer a drop down offering the user a list of all 
> corresponding tiddlers which they can then visit if they make a selection. 
> In a sense I am trying to create a tiddler where the pull-down is replaced 
> conceptually by a filtered story-river - the user then 'chooses' from the 
> list presented in the story river rather than from a pull down.  
>
> In my first attempt at asking this question I was talking of "views" but 
> now with a little more familiarity I think what I am really asking is... 
>
> how can I filter the story river according to a users choice of a single 
> nominated tag?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to apply tag filters to the story river?

[JD]

EDIT:

I have some more questions, Jon ^^,

1. Do you want the tag list to have a tree-structure? 

2. While already filtered on a tag, do you want it so that clicking another 
tagpill will filter it down some more?
*Sample*: clicking *KENM* will filter the storylist to: 
*[!is[system]sort[title]tag[KENM]]*
then clicking *MEME *will narrow it some more 
to *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[TAGGER]tag[MEME]]* (tiddlers tagged *KENM* 
and *MEME*)

...or will clicking *MEME* replace the story 
tiddler to  *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[MEME]]* ?

btw.. Tiddlywiki can behave however you like ^^,


On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:36:33 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>
> I can help you with this, but I'd like to know where you'd like this tag 
> list to show? In the sidebar? 
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:07:59 PM UTC+9, Jon Light wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Noobie here,
>>
>> I asked my first question yesterday, I think I can better express it in 
>> TiddlyWiki terminology.
>>
>> I would like to be able to create a list of tag-pills such that when I 
>> click on one the story river is filtered to only show tiddlers that have 
>> that tag.
>>
>> The project I have in mind breaks down into two parts.
>>
>> 1. Creation of a tiddler that displays a tag-pill for each of my tags. 
>> Ideally I would also like to add options to not filter at all and one to 
>> filter out tiddlers with tag "Journal". 
>>
>> 2. When one of the tag-pills mentioned in 1. is clicked I would like the 
>> story river to be filtered so as to show only tiddlers that have the 
>> corresponding tags. I might wish to look at only my journal tiddlers in 
>> which case I would click the journal tag-pill.
>>
>> I might be fighting the intended flow of tiddlyWiki here, I note that 
>> tag-pills when clicked on offer a drop down offering the user a list of all 
>> corresponding tiddlers which they can then visit if they make a selection. 
>> In a sense I am trying to create a tiddler where the pull-down is replaced 
>> conceptually by a filtered story-river - the user then 'chooses' from the 
>> list presented in the story river rather than from a pull down.  
>>
>> In my first attempt at asking this question I was talking of "views" but 
>> now with a little more familiarity I think what I am really asking is... 
>>
>> how can I filter the story river according to a users choice of a single 
>> nominated tag?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: Simple Search

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi again, I had to search for that myself ... this should do the trick:

In $:/plugins/telmiger/simple-search/SearchResultsOther replace

sort[title] => !sort[modified]

In $:/plugins/telmiger/simple-search/SearchResultsTop replace

sort[caption] => !sort[modified]

The exclamation mark reverses the chronological order.

Have a nice weekend everyone :)
Thomas

imleg...@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 27. August 2020 um 02:53:18 UTC+2:

> Hi, how to show the search result in reverse chronological order? I want 
> the most recently changed tiddler at first. Havent found related settings.
>

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to apply tag filters to the story river?

[JD]

I can help you with this, but I'd like to know where you'd like this tag 
list to show? In the sidebar? 

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:07:59 PM UTC+9, Jon Light wrote:
>
>
> Hi Noobie here,
>
> I asked my first question yesterday, I think I can better express it in 
> TiddlyWiki terminology.
>
> I would like to be able to create a list of tag-pills such that when I 
> click on one the story river is filtered to only show tiddlers that have 
> that tag.
>
> The project I have in mind breaks down into two parts.
>
> 1. Creation of a tiddler that displays a tag-pill for each of my tags. 
> Ideally I would also like to add options to not filter at all and one to 
> filter out tiddlers with tag "Journal". 
>
> 2. When one of the tag-pills mentioned in 1. is clicked I would like the 
> story river to be filtered so as to show only tiddlers that have the 
> corresponding tags. I might wish to look at only my journal tiddlers in 
> which case I would click the journal tag-pill.
>
> I might be fighting the intended flow of tiddlyWiki here, I note that 
> tag-pills when clicked on offer a drop down offering the user a list of all 
> corresponding tiddlers which they can then visit if they make a selection. 
> In a sense I am trying to create a tiddler where the pull-down is replaced 
> conceptually by a filtered story-river - the user then 'chooses' from the 
> list presented in the story river rather than from a pull down.  
>
> In my first attempt at asking this question I was talking of "views" but 
> now with a little more familiarity I think what I am really asking is... 
>
> how can I filter the story river according to a users choice of a single 
> nominated tag?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [PLUGIN] Presenting "Panulat-edittheme", an edit template theme

[Saq Imtiaz]

Hi JD,

Very nicely done, thanks for sharing.

I would like to suggest having an option that removes the dropdown and puts 
those settings in the ControlPanel instead. 
I would probably just set the configuration once to my liking and never 
need the dropdown again, so it would be nice to remove the dropdown button 
and further remove clutter.

Cheers,
Saq

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 11:49:19 AM UTC+2 JD wrote:

> Hello, JD here! 
>
> Before I go all-in on another personal theme-ing journey, I'd like to 
> separate a palatable tidbit I can present to you all. 
>
> This is *Panulat-edittheme*, a plugin for those who'd like to dress the 
> core edit template a little without theming the whole of tiddlywiki.
>
>  
>
> As you can see, I've combined *type *and *fields *into a footer-area. 
> Other than that, these aesthetics are just CSS. 
>
> *Some features:*
>
>- Editor Toolbar can be sticky! Even with preview off (browser-based 
>compatibility)
>- Mobile-friendly editing, where editor toolbar scrolls horizontally 
>and things are compact
>- Word and character count
>- Toggle on/off the tags area, editor toolbar, and type & fields area 
>via a dropdown while in edit template
>
>
> You can check it out here: http://j.d.panulat-edittheme.tiddlyspot.com/ to 
> see other features and install, if you like. 
>
> -jd
>

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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

[Saq Imtiaz]

There is an update to Streams (0.1.14) that brings a fair few small 
features and changes, and *needs some testing* and feedback.
Please backup your wiki before updating and test carefully before using 
with important data.

New configuration options that toggle settings depending on whether they 
are set to yes or no:


   - *$:/config/sq/streams/split-at-caret* split the text of a node at the 
   caret position when saving the node with Enter. This is existing 
   behaviour that can now be toggled.
   - *$:/config/sq/streams/prompt-split-to-multiple* prompt for 
   confirmation when splitting a node to multiple nodes, triggered 
   by Alt+Enter. New feature.
   - *$:/config/sq/streams/prompt-merge-with-previous* prompt the user 
   before attempting to merge a node with the previous node, triggered 
   by Backspace with the caret position at the beginning of the 
   text. New feature.
   - *$:/config/sq/streams/exit-on-saving-empty-node *Exit edit mode on 
   saving an empty node with Enter. Allows exiting edit mode on 
   mobile. New feature.
   
With split-at-caret set to "yes", saving a node with Enter with the caret 
at the start of the text will create a new node above the current node. 

Backspace with the caret at the start of a node will attempt to merge with 
the previous node, provided it is at the same indent level and has no child 
nodes. This is an intentionally simplified and constrained behaviour 
intended as an undo to the above split option. By default the user is 
prompted for confirmation before merging, this can be disabled by setting 
prompt-merge-with-previous to "no"

By default, saving a node with Alt+Enter will ask for confirmation before 
splitting the text into multiple nodes. The prompt can be disabled by 
setting prompt-split-to-multiple to "no"

To allow exiting edit mode on mobile devices, set exit-on-saving-empty-node 
to "yes". This will exit edit mode when attempting to save an empty node 
with Enter. In other words, hit Enter twice to exit editing.

 https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html

Cheers,
Saq

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[tw5] I'm looking for a quote

[bimlas]

I’ve read a quote before about programming, but if I remember correctly, I 
found it about note-taking methods. Does anyone know? Where does this quote 
come from?

It was similar, if I remember correctly:

"When we start programming, we have to forget what programming is, what a 
computer is, and that's the only way we can be really creative."

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[tw5] Is it possible to apply tag filters to the story river?

[Jon Light]

Hi Noobie here,

I asked my first question yesterday, I think I can better express it in 
TiddlyWiki terminology.

I would like to be able to create a list of tag-pills such that when I 
click on one the story river is filtered to only show tiddlers that have 
that tag.

The project I have in mind breaks down into two parts.

1. Creation of a tiddler that displays a tag-pill for each of my tags. 
Ideally I would also like to add options to not filter at all and one to 
filter out tiddlers with tag "Journal". 

2. When one of the tag-pills mentioned in 1. is clicked I would like the 
story river to be filtered so as to show only tiddlers that have the 
corresponding tags. I might wish to look at only my journal tiddlers in 
which case I would click the journal tag-pill.

I might be fighting the intended flow of tiddlyWiki here, I note that 
tag-pills when clicked on offer a drop down offering the user a list of all 
corresponding tiddlers which they can then visit if they make a selection. 
In a sense I am trying to create a tiddler where the pull-down is replaced 
conceptually by a filtered story-river - the user then 'chooses' from the 
list presented in the story river rather than from a pull down.  

In my first attempt at asking this question I was talking of "views" but 
now with a little more familiarity I think what I am really asking is... 

how can I filter the story river according to a users choice of a single 
nominated tag?








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[tw5] [PLUGIN] Presenting "Panulat-edittheme", an edit template theme

[JD]

Hello, JD here! 

Before I go all-in on another personal theme-ing journey, I'd like to 
separate a palatable tidbit I can present to you all. 

This is *Panulat-edittheme*, a plugin for those who'd like to dress the 
core edit template a little without theming the whole of tiddlywiki.

 

As you can see, I've combined *type *and *fields *into a footer-area. Other 
than that, these aesthetics are just CSS. 

*Some features:*

   - Editor Toolbar can be sticky! Even with preview off (browser-based 
   compatibility)
   - Mobile-friendly editing, where editor toolbar scrolls horizontally and 
   things are compact
   - Word and character count
   - Toggle on/off the tags area, editor toolbar, and type & fields area 
   via a dropdown while in edit template


You can check it out here: http://j.d.panulat-edittheme.tiddlyspot.com/ to 
see other features and install, if you like. 

-jd

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[tw5] Re: Organising mixed Journal and 'Fact/Knowledge Base' Tiddlers

[Jon Light]

Many thanks to all, I am working my way through the suggestions - I am also 
looking at the code in the system tiddler $:/Manager ( when used as tag 
manager ) for inspiration as to how to automatically list all my tags and 
to create a view for each tag if clicked.


On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 01:20:39 UTC+1 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 4:41:52 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> There are many ways to achieve something like this. Default tiddlers can 
>> be used to load something at the top every time but another way is to use 
>> the special tiddler $:/config/EmptyStoryMessage 
>> 
>>
>
> Both of these methods allow the "pinned" tiddler to be closed as long as 
> there are other tiddlers still showing in the Story River.
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Splashscreen not working on iOS

[kebi]

Hello guys,
I created a splashscreen for tiddlywiki following the official instructions 
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/static/Creating%2520a%2520splash%2520screen.html
and it works in TiddlyDesktop, macOS (safari) and android, but it doesn't 
work in any browser on iOS.

At first I thought it was a problem related to my code so I tried to copy 
the exact content of $:/SplashScreen from https://tiddlywiki.com/ and yet 
it doesn't work only on iOS.
The strange thing is that if I try to load https://tiddlywiki.com/ with 
safari (iOS) the splashscreen works without problems, so I don't understand 
what I'm missing.

Does anybody experienced the same thing on iOS?

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[tw5] Re: Visit these links for more TiddlyWiki information

[TW Tones]

Eric et all.,

More information on the New Google Groups  
perhaps 
at least add temporarily to the lead post.

   - Once a suggestion for content is given, like this above, can you Eric 
   update the lead post and then delete my reply?
   - If you want to reject someones reply a private email could explain 
   why, before deletion of the reply.
   - If this is going to be a pinned post, and consume the first line of 
   the forum, why should there not be a large accumulation of content here in 
   the lead post?

Regards
Tony


On Tuesday, 25 August 2020 01:13:32 UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
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