Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] PrintRiver plugin

[BurningTreeC]

Hi Mohammad, thank you!

For ideas/comments you can use this group or GitHub, it doesn't matter

best wishes, BTC

Mohammad schrieb am Freitag, 11. Juni 2021 um 19:24:50 UTC+2:

>
> Hi Simon,
>
>  This is a must have plugin! Thank you for all your efforts!
>
> I wish to have this into the core!
>
> I can only give one star and I did! but I like to give 100 stars!
>
> For idea/comments do you prefer Forum or GitHub?
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 7:34 PM BurningTreeC  
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, and leave me a Star on GitHub 
>>  if you like it :)
>>
>> BurningTreeC schrieb am Freitag, 11. Juni 2021 um 17:03:14 UTC+2:
>>
>>> Hello TiddlyWiki community,
>>>
>>> The new PrintRiver plugin is online :)
>>>
>>> You can find it at https://burningtreec.github.io/tiddlywiki-printriver/
>>>
>>> As always, I'm open for ideas, criticism and bug reports
>>>
>>> Best wishes, BTC
>>>
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[tw5] Re: [Proof of concept] Simple Tabs using fieldset

[Charlie Veniot]

Or maybe I'm thinking of something else.  Not sure.  Showing my age more ...

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 12:09:56 AM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> Not sure what it says about me:  I find this way fun !  Thanks !
>
> For the giggles, I made a small addition:
>
> 
> <$list filter="$filter$ -[]">< labeltid:$state$>> 
> **
> <$tiddler tiddler={{$state$}} > <$transclude tiddler={{$state$}} 
> mode="block"/> 
> **
> 
> \end
>
> Now I find this feels like fixed-size "screens", and I'm having major 
> flashbacks to dBase IV and Clipper.  Ugh, I'm showing my age ...
>
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 11:53:13 PM UTC-3 mwik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I saw use of the fieldset html tag in another message thread here the 
>> other day and thought that it would be a neat way to implement a simple 
>> minimalistic "tabs" option.
>>
>> So I hacked it together (see below).
>>
>> It is best with no more than a few menu options but it will wrap in a 
>> usable fashion with more. One might be able to modify it to only display a 
>> fixed number of options or width and put some scrolling in with some list 
>> filter or CSS trickery but I am not planning to tackle that soon. Just 
>> wanted to throw out a proof of concept.
>>
>> It has hints of old-school BBS text menus of yesteryear / terminal-based 
>> GUIs. 
>>
>> Enjoy.
>>
>> /Mike
>>
>> \define buttonlabel() <$text text=<>/>
>>
>> \define selectedbuttonlabel() ''<$text text=<>/>''
>>
>> \define menubutton(labeltid:"")
>>   <$button setTitle="$labeltid$" setTo=<>  
>> class="tc-btn-invisible">
>> <$list filter="[compare:string:eq{$labeltid$}]" 
>> emptyMessage=<> 
>> variable=avoid_changing_currentTiddler><>
>>  
>> \end
>>
>> \define tabs-fieldset(filter:"" state:"$:/temp/state")
>>
>> 
>> <$list filter="$filter$ -[]"><> labeltid:$state$>> 
>>
>> <$tiddler tiddler={{$state$}} > <$transclude tiddler={{$state$}} 
>> mode="block"/> 
>>
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> Examples use to cut and paste into tiddlywiki.com to try it out.
>>
>> <>
>>
>> <>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [Proof of concept] Simple Tabs using fieldset

[Charlie Veniot]

Not sure what it says about me:  I find this way fun !  Thanks !

For the giggles, I made a small addition:


<$list filter="$filter$ -[]"><> 
**
<$tiddler tiddler={{$state$}} > <$transclude tiddler={{$state$}} 
mode="block"/> 
**

\end

Now I find this feels like fixed-size "screens", and I'm having major 
flashbacks to dBase IV and Clipper.  Ugh, I'm showing my age ...

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 11:53:13 PM UTC-3 mwik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I saw use of the fieldset html tag in another message thread here the 
> other day and thought that it would be a neat way to implement a simple 
> minimalistic "tabs" option.
>
> So I hacked it together (see below).
>
> It is best with no more than a few menu options but it will wrap in a 
> usable fashion with more. One might be able to modify it to only display a 
> fixed number of options or width and put some scrolling in with some list 
> filter or CSS trickery but I am not planning to tackle that soon. Just 
> wanted to throw out a proof of concept.
>
> It has hints of old-school BBS text menus of yesteryear / terminal-based 
> GUIs. 
>
> Enjoy.
>
> /Mike
>
> \define buttonlabel() <$text text=<>/>
>
> \define selectedbuttonlabel() ''<$text text=<>/>''
>
> \define menubutton(labeltid:"")
>   <$button setTitle="$labeltid$" setTo=<>  
> class="tc-btn-invisible">
> <$list filter="[compare:string:eq{$labeltid$}]" 
> emptyMessage=<> 
> variable=avoid_changing_currentTiddler><>
>  
> \end
>
> \define tabs-fieldset(filter:"" state:"$:/temp/state")
>
> 
> <$list filter="$filter$ -[]">< labeltid:$state$>> 
>
> <$tiddler tiddler={{$state$}} > <$transclude tiddler={{$state$}} 
> mode="block"/> 
>
> 
> \end
>
> Examples use to cut and paste into tiddlywiki.com to try it out.
>
> <>
>
> <>
>
>

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[tw5] [Proof of concept] Simple Tabs using fieldset

[Michael Wiktowy]

Greetings,

I saw use of the fieldset html tag in another message thread here the other 
day and thought that it would be a neat way to implement a simple 
minimalistic "tabs" option.

So I hacked it together (see below).

It is best with no more than a few menu options but it will wrap in a 
usable fashion with more. One might be able to modify it to only display a 
fixed number of options or width and put some scrolling in with some list 
filter or CSS trickery but I am not planning to tackle that soon. Just 
wanted to throw out a proof of concept.

It has hints of old-school BBS text menus of yesteryear / terminal-based 
GUIs. 

Enjoy.

/Mike

\define buttonlabel() <$text text=<>/>

\define selectedbuttonlabel() ''<$text text=<>/>''

\define menubutton(labeltid:"")
  <$button setTitle="$labeltid$" setTo=<>  
class="tc-btn-invisible">
<$list filter="[compare:string:eq{$labeltid$}]" 
emptyMessage=<> 
variable=avoid_changing_currentTiddler><>
 
\end

\define tabs-fieldset(filter:"" state:"$:/temp/state")


<$list filter="$filter$ -[]"><> 

<$tiddler tiddler={{$state$}} > <$transclude tiddler={{$state$}} 
mode="block"/> 


\end

Examples use to cut and paste into tiddlywiki.com to try it out.

<>

<>

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[tw5] A Show'nTell: an evolving approach for TiddlyWiki "reader view(?)"

[Charlie Veniot]

G'day,

Just an FYI about my ever-evolving approach to presenting TiddlyWiki's, by 
default, in "reader view(?)", with alternative "normal TiddlyWiki view" 
available via toggling.

   - by "reader view" (internal debate on-going about that label), I mean 
   hiding much of what looks like TiddlyWiki interface features, without 
   getting into anything too fancy
   - for toggling, I went with no-fuss-no-muss open/close of the sidebar as 
   the toggle for showing/hiding TiddlyWiki interface features

To get the Full Monty experience of what I mean check out the before and 
after (still very much a work in progress) of my Le P'tit Aurèle:

   - my now deprecated version without "reader view" 
   
   - the new going-forward version with "reader view" at startup 
   

I guess the mission is: how do I setup the kind of structure that makes for 
easy/simple navigation to a lot of content without getting lost, while 
still making it easy to access the full-features of TiddlyWiki for custom 
digging into the content?

Something like that.

Cheers !

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Re: [tw5] Re: xlxs utilities not working in V22 or V23

[mauloop]

Hi, guys.

I installed the XLSX Utils plugin from 5.1.24-prerelease onto 5.1.23 and it 
looks like if it is working fine. An alternative to upgrade the whole wiki.

Regards,

)+(au

Il giorno venerdì 11 giugno 2021 alle 18:06:23 UTC+2 jeremy...@gmail.com ha 
scritto:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> It's easiest to use Chrome or another ordinary browser for the upgrade 
> process. Just save the resulting file over the top of your existing one 
> (having taken backups, of course).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
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> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 11 Jun 2021, at 00:23, Patrick RB  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the help, but I discovered the importer works when opened with 
> Chrome or Opera, but not Tiddlydesktop - so I guess that's where the 
> problem lies.
>
> On Thursday, 10 June 2021 at 13:48:26 UTC+1 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 5:38:56 AM UTC-7 prbru...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> How do i manually update an existing wiki? I have a whole bunch of 
>>> embedded tiddlymaps and it really annoying to have to rebuild them all from 
>>> an empty wiki. Thanks!
>>
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade
>>
>> -e
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[tw5] Re: Strol v. Mentat

[Darth Mole]

Thank you so much for pointing out a fantastic plugin I hadn't found yet!

Unfortunately I didn't correctly describe what I was looking for. Your 
example was indeed a horizontal view option.

However, what I meant was instead of two columns in the story view, have 
two rows, where once you set the ratio (say 50/50) both will create a 
scrollbar if needed so you aren't scrolling the entire story view.

Stroll's Shift+Left click option to open a tiddler in the secondary column, 
plus a two row story view (versus the current two column story view in 
Stroll), with the top row being set to Zoomin? Oh that type of interface 
for the project I"m working on just makes me drool so much.

However, I have since transitioned from trying to find the "perfect" 
interface (which would be based on my opinion) for my project and am now 
just working on the functionality. I'll let the user decide what interface 
plugin they want to use based on their own preferences.

Thanks again!

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 12:56:13 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> The Mentat Mantra is good ... 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMBb_tPPA8E
>
> "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion ... " 
>
> TT
>
> On Friday, 11 June 2021 at 14:20:32 UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi Merv, 
>>
>> You could definitely set up the backlink system, relinks and autocomplete 
>> from Stroll on Mentat. The two column aspect of Stroll would not work, but 
>> then, if you have Mentat, you have a way to arrange your tiddlers, so a 
>> second column would be unnecessary. See 
>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#Add%20Stroll%20to%20your%20TW for 
>> tips on transferring just the backlinks to another file. Blessings.
>>
>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:48:11 AM UTC-5 mervinme...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just discovered the plugin Mentat. 
>>> https://thesherwood.github.io/Mentat/   I find the possibilities 
>>> fascinating.  I am using Stroll for some of my wikis.  At first glance, the 
>>> two appear to be incompatible.  I was wondering if anybody has done any 
>>> experimenting with combining these two systems.  What were the results?
>>>
>>> Merv
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Fields vs Dictionary vs JSON

[Ed Heil]

It's a template that does a lot of calculation based on the elements of 
that data tiddler... and which has edit fields for parts of the data 
tiddler.  I've observed that using the data tiddler *with bob* there seem 
to be issues with the back end "keeping up with" people typing in edit 
fields, keystroke by keystroke.  Switching to regular fields in a regular 
tiddler as a data store seems like it may have fixed this (fingers crossed!)


On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 2:30:37 PM UTC-4 PMario wrote:

> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 2:56:15 PM UTC+2 Ed Heil wrote:
> ...
>
>> Ok, this is potentially huge.  I've got a very large template which 
>> displays and manipulates the data from a data tiddler in complex ways, and 
>> I'm running this on Bob, so responsiveness is a big deal.  If I can get a 
>> speed bonus by going with fields...  that means a lot. 
>>
>
> If it's only 1 template with 1 open tiddler, there won't be a big 
> difference. .. BUT if there are a lot of visible elements that depend on 
> data from the data-tiddler it does matter. .. So as long as it is only a 
> view *visible* elements you are good. 
>
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: Fields vs Dictionary vs JSON

[PMario]

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:39:10 PM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Your tool looks interesting ... 
> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/keyvalues/
>
> I have no idea whether it MIGHT cope with ,.,.
>
>*   MY INDEX ; value field one : value field two : value field three*
>
> COULD it?
>

I think that's not possible with data tidders. You always have exactly 1 
index (key) and 1 value. 
So you'd have to "print" the index and then you can print the values, BUT 
only if the index is a counter. 

Otherwise there will be a relation between the key and the value. So a list 
as you describe it doesn't make too much sense, if you loose the "relation".

Hope that helps. I'm not 100% sure if I do understand the question right. 

-mario

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[tw5] Re: Fields vs Dictionary vs JSON

[PMario]

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 2:56:15 PM UTC+2 Ed Heil wrote:
...

> Ok, this is potentially huge.  I've got a very large template which 
> displays and manipulates the data from a data tiddler in complex ways, and 
> I'm running this on Bob, so responsiveness is a big deal.  If I can get a 
> speed bonus by going with fields...  that means a lot. 
>

If it's only 1 template with 1 open tiddler, there won't be a big 
difference. .. BUT if there are a lot of visible elements that depend on 
data from the data-tiddler it does matter. .. So as long as it is only a 
view *visible* elements you are good. 

-mario

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[tw5] Re: Aeolian, An Adaptive Typographic Scale

[Euthymious]

Thank you.
Downscaling was not the main purpose, but I did decrease the size of the 
tiddler titles and buttons — they always seemed too large to me.

пятница, 11 июня 2021 г. в 16:22:18 UTC+3, iamdar...@gmail.com: 

> Very cool! I was just starting to look into globally scaling down some 
> interface elements I created so this is right on the path I was heading. 
> Thanks!
>
> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 6:47:21 AM UTC-4 Euthymious wrote:
>
>> Hello, I've been silenlty reading this group for some while, but this is 
>> my first real post with something to share. 
>>
>> I am just learning how to use TW5, in particular trying to figure out how 
>> css styling works.
>>
>> So, here  is my humble attempt of 
>> styling TiddlyWiki, using a modular typographic scale and adding some 
>> responsiveness. On desktop it utilizes a scale ratio of 1.2 and rather wide 
>> line spacing, and degrades to more "compact" line height and ratio of 1.125 
>> on small mobile screens.
>>
>> Not much to appreciate yet, but I have learned quite a bit while making 
>> it and would be glad if anybody finds it useful.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Aeolian, An Adaptive Typographic Scale

[Euthymious]

Yes, just overlaying — I add one stylesheet setting font size and line 
height for tiddler titles, headers and paragraphs (and several other 
properties to fix broken tabs) for 'mobile mode', then use a media query to 
set different values for 'desktop mode'.

And, as I've mentioned, I'm just learning — so have no idea what 
'redefining' is. Could you point where should I start digging?
 

пятница, 11 июня 2021 г. в 19:28:58 UTC+3, TiddlyTweeter: 

> It is interesting.
>
> Are you redefining CSS rules in TW?
>
> OR just overlaying additional CSS? 
>
> Just wondering.
> TT
>
> On Thursday, 10 June 2021 at 12:47:21 UTC+2 Euthymious wrote:
>
>> Hello, I've been silenlty reading this group for some while, but this is 
>> my first real post with something to share. 
>>
>> I am just learning how to use TW5, in particular trying to figure out how 
>> css styling works.
>>
>> So, here  is my humble attempt of 
>> styling TiddlyWiki, using a modular typographic scale and adding some 
>> responsiveness. On desktop it utilizes a scale ratio of 1.2 and rather wide 
>> line spacing, and degrades to more "compact" line height and ratio of 1.125 
>> on small mobile screens.
>>
>> Not much to appreciate yet, but I have learned quite a bit while making 
>> it and would be glad if anybody finds it useful.
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] PrintRiver plugin

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Simon,

 This is a must have plugin! Thank you for all your efforts!

I wish to have this into the core!

I can only give one star and I did! but I like to give 100 stars!

For idea/comments do you prefer Forum or GitHub?



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 7:34 PM BurningTreeC 
wrote:

> Oh, and leave me a Star on GitHub
>  if you like it :)
>
> BurningTreeC schrieb am Freitag, 11. Juni 2021 um 17:03:14 UTC+2:
>
>> Hello TiddlyWiki community,
>>
>> The new PrintRiver plugin is online :)
>>
>> You can find it at https://burningtreec.github.io/tiddlywiki-printriver/
>>
>> As always, I'm open for ideas, criticism and bug reports
>>
>> Best wishes, BTC
>>
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[tw5] Re: Strol v. Mentat

[TiddlyTweeter]

The Mentat Mantra is good ... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMBb_tPPA8E

"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion ... " 

TT

On Friday, 11 June 2021 at 14:20:32 UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi Merv, 
>
> You could definitely set up the backlink system, relinks and autocomplete 
> from Stroll on Mentat. The two column aspect of Stroll would not work, but 
> then, if you have Mentat, you have a way to arrange your tiddlers, so a 
> second column would be unnecessary. See 
> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#Add%20Stroll%20to%20your%20TW for 
> tips on transferring just the backlinks to another file. Blessings.
>
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:48:11 AM UTC-5 mervinme...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just discovered the plugin Mentat. 
>> https://thesherwood.github.io/Mentat/   I find the possibilities 
>> fascinating.  I am using Stroll for some of my wikis.  At first glance, the 
>> two appear to be incompatible.  I was wondering if anybody has done any 
>> experimenting with combining these two systems.  What were the results?
>>
>> Merv
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Strol v. Mentat

[Ste]

Muuri plugin. That's the one. 

On Friday, 11 June 2021 at 15:03:08 UTC+1 Ste wrote:

>
> Horizontalsomeones done itlooked really good as well, having a 
> brain fart and can't think of the plugin name..hammer.js? by burning tree? 
> hopefully someone with a better memory will be along shortly.
> On Friday, 11 June 2021 at 14:14:22 UTC+1 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello Merv,
>>
>> I preface this by saying I didn't design any of the plugins in question, 
>> though I have been messing with them a lot recently for my own project.
>>
>> As David stated you can use the backlink system, relinks, and 
>> autocomplete from Stroll with the interface of Mentat.
>>
>> However, with the current TiddlyWiki version Mentat is very unstable and 
>> even if you can bring it under control something as simple as flipping 
>> between themes causes it to act up again. I love the concept of Mentat but 
>> it definitely needs some love.
>>
>> This is a link to one of my posts outlining all the steps I took in 
>> trying to get Mentat to work (you can also see the final one where I found 
>> that switching between themes broke it again): 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/kCSxf7DaXYw/m/gFA9ZTm-AwAJ
>>
>> Stroll is definitely, at least in my opinion, much more polished and 
>> stable, even the two column display which I enjoy immensely! My only wish 
>> is that there was a horizontal view option.
>>
>> Hope this was helpful in some way!
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 8:20:32 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Merv, 
>>>
>>> You could definitely set up the backlink system, relinks and 
>>> autocomplete from Stroll on Mentat. The two column aspect of Stroll would 
>>> not work, but then, if you have Mentat, you have a way to arrange your 
>>> tiddlers, so a second column would be unnecessary. See 
>>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#Add%20Stroll%20to%20your%20TW 
>>> for tips on transferring just the backlinks to another file. Blessings.
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:48:11 AM UTC-5 mervinme...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I just discovered the plugin Mentat. 
 https://thesherwood.github.io/Mentat/   I find the possibilities 
 fascinating.  I am using Stroll for some of my wikis.  At first glance, 
 the 
 two appear to be incompatible.  I was wondering if anybody has done any 
 experimenting with combining these two systems.  What were the results?

 Merv

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Fields vs Dictionary vs JSON

[TiddlyTweeter]

Your tool looks interesting ... 
https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/keyvalues/

I have no idea whether it MIGHT cope with ,.,.

   *   MY INDEX ; value field one : value field two : value field three*

COULD it?

Just asking for a friend with databaseitis

tt

On Friday, 11 June 2021 at 08:42:12 UTC+2 PMario wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> There are some usecases for data-tiddlers. Eg: 
>
>  - If you want to log some actions. So if you have "timeline-like" data
>  - Configuration tiddlers
>  - Functions, where it is important to keep values together
>
> The biggest disadvantage for data-tiddlers is, that if you add / change or 
> remove a value from a data-tiddler all *visible* tiddlers that have a 
> connection to this tiddler need to be updated, even if the index, that is 
> changed doesn't correspond to those tiddlers. .. So there is a potential 
> for a performance hit, if it's done wrong.
>
> This said. I did create a plugin 
> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/keyvalues/ that may allow you a more 
> flexible access of keys and values at the same time. 
> Using it myself, I did realize, that there is still some room for 
> improvement. So feedback is very welcome here _or_ at: 
> https://github.com/wikilabs/plugins/issues
>
> have fun!
>
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: Aeolian, An Adaptive Typographic Scale

[TiddlyTweeter]

It is interesting.

Are you redefining CSS rules in TW?

OR just overlaying additional CSS? 

Just wondering.
TT

On Thursday, 10 June 2021 at 12:47:21 UTC+2 Euthymious wrote:

> Hello, I've been silenlty reading this group for some while, but this is 
> my first real post with something to share. 
>
> I am just learning how to use TW5, in particular trying to figure out how 
> css styling works.
>
> So, here  is my humble attempt of 
> styling TiddlyWiki, using a modular typographic scale and adding some 
> responsiveness. On desktop it utilizes a scale ratio of 1.2 and rather wide 
> line spacing, and degrades to more "compact" line height and ratio of 1.125 
> on small mobile screens.
>
> Not much to appreciate yet, but I have learned quite a bit while making it 
> and would be glad if anybody finds it useful.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: xlxs utilities not working in V22 or V23

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Patrick,

It's easiest to use Chrome or another ordinary browser for the upgrade process. 
Just save the resulting file over the top of your existing one (having taken 
backups, of course).

Best wishes

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> On 11 Jun 2021, at 00:23, Patrick RB  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the help, but I discovered the importer works when opened with 
> Chrome or Opera, but not Tiddlydesktop - so I guess that's where the problem 
> lies.
> 
>> On Thursday, 10 June 2021 at 13:48:26 UTC+1 Eric Shulman wrote:
>>> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 5:38:56 AM UTC-7 prbru...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> How do i manually update an existing wiki? I have a whole bunch of embedded 
>>> tiddlymaps and it really annoying to have to rebuild them all from an empty 
>>> wiki. Thanks!
>> 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade
>> 
>> -e
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] PrintRiver plugin

[BurningTreeC]

Oh, and leave me a Star on GitHub 
 if you like it :)

BurningTreeC schrieb am Freitag, 11. Juni 2021 um 17:03:14 UTC+2:

> Hello TiddlyWiki community,
>
> The new PrintRiver plugin is online :)
>
> You can find it at https://burningtreec.github.io/tiddlywiki-printriver/
>
> As always, I'm open for ideas, criticism and bug reports
>
> Best wishes, BTC
>

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[tw5] [TW5] PrintRiver plugin

[BurningTreeC]

Hello TiddlyWiki community,

The new PrintRiver plugin is online :)

You can find it at https://burningtreec.github.io/tiddlywiki-printriver/

As always, I'm open for ideas, criticism and bug reports

Best wishes, BTC

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[tw5] Re: Strol v. Mentat

[Ste]

Horizontalsomeones done itlooked really good as well, having a 
brain fart and can't think of the plugin name..hammer.js? by burning tree? 
hopefully someone with a better memory will be along shortly.
On Friday, 11 June 2021 at 14:14:22 UTC+1 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello Merv,
>
> I preface this by saying I didn't design any of the plugins in question, 
> though I have been messing with them a lot recently for my own project.
>
> As David stated you can use the backlink system, relinks, and autocomplete 
> from Stroll with the interface of Mentat.
>
> However, with the current TiddlyWiki version Mentat is very unstable and 
> even if you can bring it under control something as simple as flipping 
> between themes causes it to act up again. I love the concept of Mentat but 
> it definitely needs some love.
>
> This is a link to one of my posts outlining all the steps I took in trying 
> to get Mentat to work (you can also see the final one where I found that 
> switching between themes broke it again): 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/kCSxf7DaXYw/m/gFA9ZTm-AwAJ
>
> Stroll is definitely, at least in my opinion, much more polished and 
> stable, even the two column display which I enjoy immensely! My only wish 
> is that there was a horizontal view option.
>
> Hope this was helpful in some way!
>
>
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 8:20:32 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi Merv, 
>>
>> You could definitely set up the backlink system, relinks and autocomplete 
>> from Stroll on Mentat. The two column aspect of Stroll would not work, but 
>> then, if you have Mentat, you have a way to arrange your tiddlers, so a 
>> second column would be unnecessary. See 
>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#Add%20Stroll%20to%20your%20TW for 
>> tips on transferring just the backlinks to another file. Blessings.
>>
>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:48:11 AM UTC-5 mervinme...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just discovered the plugin Mentat. 
>>> https://thesherwood.github.io/Mentat/   I find the possibilities 
>>> fascinating.  I am using Stroll for some of my wikis.  At first glance, the 
>>> two appear to be incompatible.  I was wondering if anybody has done any 
>>> experimenting with combining these two systems.  What were the results?
>>>
>>> Merv
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [question] plugin that turn a transclusion into a clickable link in edit mode ?

[Ste]

I think there is something in tbeers repository of stuff that does that, 
though you have to use a slightly different syntax to {{}}  for it to work.
http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#Welcome

Though having just looked I can't spot it

On Friday, 11 June 2021 at 04:28:37 UTC+1 fred@gmail.com wrote:

> Not exactly what you want but if you use the paragraphs plugin to 
> transclude, you can edit the original tiddler's text directly when in view 
> more. You may be able to tweak it so the view is nearly identical.
>
> http://j.d.paragraphs.tiddlyspot.com/#paragraphs%20Macro%20(Examples)
>
> On Thursday, 10 June 2021 at 19:33:53 UTC-4 Télumire wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is a plugin that turn a transclusion into a 
>> clickable link to the tiddler transcluded, in edit mode?
>>
>> The process would be as follows: 
>>
>> I want to edit a tiddler (A). When the editor opens, I see that I have 
>> transcluded another tiddler (e.g. {{B}}) inside the tiddler A. 
>>
>> I want to edit what is in B, so rather than copy/paste the title of 
>> tiddler B into the search bar, click on the relevant tiddler in the search 
>> result, then edit the tiddler B, this plugin would allow me to simply click 
>> on {{B}}, which open the tiddler B, ideally already in edit mode. This 
>> would save a lot of time !
>>
>> CodeMirror is able to parse links, so maybe someone made an addon build 
>> upon it allowing this functionnality ? I searched but ultimately found 
>> nothing ..
>>
>> PS : I know that it's possible to use a macro instead of a standard 
>> transclusion (like discussed here 
>> https://tiddlywiki.narkive.com/dxOiR2Vn/tw-tw5-including-a-link-when-transcluding)
>>  
>> but I dont want to change the way the tiddler is displayed in view mode.
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How to build plugins

[Saq Imtiaz]

PS: I maintain a very niche plugin that some close friends and myself are 
using. I have the build process push the plugin file to a server. In the 
TiddlyWiki, there is a startup module that checks the version of that 
remote plugin and if it is newer than the installed version, it updates it.

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 3:49:02 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> Have a look at 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions/5500#discussioncomment-374512
>
> Also, if you use tiddlywiki.files to specify what to include in the 
> plugin, you don't need to worry about moving things in and out that you 
> don't want included in the plugin.
> See https://tiddlywiki.com/#tiddlywiki.files%20Files
> and an example at: 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/codemirror/files
>
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 2:17:05 PM UTC+2 Tristan wrote:
>
>> I build a few plugins for TW over the years and the process was quite 
>> manual but since I do not change much once it is running I did not bother. 
>> However one of my plugins got a few friends of mine interested and so I was 
>> looking for a way to streamline the build process. Right now this is what I 
>> do:
>>
>>1. move hidden artifact (.fslckout) from my SCM system (fossil) out 
>>of the plugin dir
>>2. run "node ./tiddlywiki.js edition/build --build index
>>3. move the artifact back into the plugin dir since it is reqired to 
>>make commits/diff/etc.
>>4. open the resulting index.html file in a browser
>>5. navigate to the plugin
>>6. click on "export to JSON"
>>7. send that file to my friends
>>
>> What I would like to have is a command that just creates the resulting 
>> JSON file without all those manual steps. Is there a TW command that just 
>> build a single plugin?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: How to build plugins

[Saq Imtiaz]

Have a look 
at 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions/5500#discussioncomment-374512

Also, if you use tiddlywiki.files to specify what to include in the plugin, 
you don't need to worry about moving things in and out that you don't want 
included in the plugin.
See https://tiddlywiki.com/#tiddlywiki.files%20Files
and an example 
at: 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/codemirror/files

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 2:17:05 PM UTC+2 Tristan wrote:

> I build a few plugins for TW over the years and the process was quite 
> manual but since I do not change much once it is running I did not bother. 
> However one of my plugins got a few friends of mine interested and so I was 
> looking for a way to streamline the build process. Right now this is what I 
> do:
>
>1. move hidden artifact (.fslckout) from my SCM system (fossil) out of 
>the plugin dir
>2. run "node ./tiddlywiki.js edition/build --build index
>3. move the artifact back into the plugin dir since it is reqired to 
>make commits/diff/etc.
>4. open the resulting index.html file in a browser
>5. navigate to the plugin
>6. click on "export to JSON"
>7. send that file to my friends
>
> What I would like to have is a command that just creates the resulting 
> JSON file without all those manual steps. Is there a TW command that just 
> build a single plugin?
>

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[tw5] Re: Aeolian, An Adaptive Typographic Scale

[Darth Mole]

Very cool! I was just starting to look into globally scaling down some 
interface elements I created so this is right on the path I was heading. 
Thanks!

On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 6:47:21 AM UTC-4 Euthymious wrote:

> Hello, I've been silenlty reading this group for some while, but this is 
> my first real post with something to share. 
>
> I am just learning how to use TW5, in particular trying to figure out how 
> css styling works.
>
> So, here  is my humble attempt of 
> styling TiddlyWiki, using a modular typographic scale and adding some 
> responsiveness. On desktop it utilizes a scale ratio of 1.2 and rather wide 
> line spacing, and degrades to more "compact" line height and ratio of 1.125 
> on small mobile screens.
>
> Not much to appreciate yet, but I have learned quite a bit while making it 
> and would be glad if anybody finds it useful.
>

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[tw5] Re: Strol v. Mentat

[Darth Mole]

Hello Merv,

I preface this by saying I didn't design any of the plugins in question, 
though I have been messing with them a lot recently for my own project.

As David stated you can use the backlink system, relinks, and autocomplete 
from Stroll with the interface of Mentat.

However, with the current TiddlyWiki version Mentat is very unstable and 
even if you can bring it under control something as simple as flipping 
between themes causes it to act up again. I love the concept of Mentat but 
it definitely needs some love.

This is a link to one of my posts outlining all the steps I took in trying 
to get Mentat to work (you can also see the final one where I found that 
switching between themes broke it 
again): https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/kCSxf7DaXYw/m/gFA9ZTm-AwAJ

Stroll is definitely, at least in my opinion, much more polished and 
stable, even the two column display which I enjoy immensely! My only wish 
is that there was a horizontal view option.

Hope this was helpful in some way!


On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 8:20:32 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi Merv, 
>
> You could definitely set up the backlink system, relinks and autocomplete 
> from Stroll on Mentat. The two column aspect of Stroll would not work, but 
> then, if you have Mentat, you have a way to arrange your tiddlers, so a 
> second column would be unnecessary. See 
> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#Add%20Stroll%20to%20your%20TW for 
> tips on transferring just the backlinks to another file. Blessings.
>
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:48:11 AM UTC-5 mervinme...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just discovered the plugin Mentat. 
>> https://thesherwood.github.io/Mentat/   I find the possibilities 
>> fascinating.  I am using Stroll for some of my wikis.  At first glance, the 
>> two appear to be incompatible.  I was wondering if anybody has done any 
>> experimenting with combining these two systems.  What were the results?
>>
>> Merv
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Building a book/blog webpage -- is TW5 right for it?

[Darth Mole]

Hello!

As much as I love TiddlyWiki and think it could work for your use cases, I 
feel I would be remiss to not point out another option: *WordPress*



On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 7:37:42 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi Kosmaton
>
> You could use TiddlyWiki in node.js, and export and upload tiddlers to 
> your free webhosting service as static htmls, no database needed. With some 
> CSS, you could design it as you wish, in a way that it doesn't look 
> TiddlyWiki-ish, and there are plugins to make the layout mobile-friendly. 
> The book page, home page and news page are all doable. The book page could 
> be handled with details elements (HTML, not the details widget plugin) and 
> transclusions. So yes, everything you mentioned can be done.
>
> Alternately, you could do the same with a regular standalone TW uploaded 
> to your free webhosting service. Doing it as a standalone means the opening 
> page would not load as quickly as a small static html page, but most people 
> wouldn't notice the difference, and it would give you many more options for 
> how to handle the book page, for example the table of contents feature in 
> TiddlyWiki.
>
> What might not work, though I may be wrong, is having a user comments 
> section, but then you did not mention that. I know there is at least one 
> user comments plugin, but I haven't played with it.
>
> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 3:28:54 PM UTC-5 Kosmaton wrote:
>
>> Hello Tiddly people,
>>  
>> I'm meaning to create a new website, and I'd like to ask your opinion 
>> whether TiddlyWiki is the right tool (or one of the tools) for it.
>>  
>> I used to have a pre-TW5 site on TiddlySpace back in the day. I'm 
>> semi-programming-and-webdesign-literate, in an ad hoc and rusty way. No 
>> experience with databases unfortunately, which may be relevant.
>>  
>> The website I have in mind would be a combination of a non-fiction book 
>> (already written, but expandable/changeable), and an associated blog. The 
>> book is organized as a big tree of numbered paragraphs/sections: 1, 1.1, 
>> 1.1.1, 1.2, 2, 2.1 etc. These sections frequently refer to one another; 
>> it's a hypertext in itself.
>>  
>> * The site would mainly need to have:
>>  
>> 1) a page that displays the book, with a Table of Contents.
>>   - The TOC should be hideable as a whole.
>>   - The branches of the TOC should be collapsible, i.e. click on 1 to 
>> show 1.1 and 1.2, click again to hide them, etc.
>>   - It may be excessive to load all the text of the book (all the 
>> sections) into the viewport (some 70,000 words). But it would be nice if 
>> the reader saw a bit more than just the section they're currently reading. 
>> Basically a pdf-reader-like experience would be good.
>>   - optional: Sections of the book may get revisions, and the visitor 
>> should be able to see the revisions. (This would probably get a lot more 
>> complicated if I want to allow for reordering, deletion and creation of 
>> sections...)
>>   - The book currently exists as a LibreOffice Writer .odt file, with 
>> sections actually organized as headings. Ideally I'd like to automate the 
>> process of getting them into the TiddlyWiki.
>>  
>> 2) a blog/news page
>>   - Blog posts are expected to regularly contain links to book sections, 
>> or entire transcluded sections.
>>   - Posts must be able to acommodate audio files; a regular HTML > controls> seems sufficient.
>>  
>> 3) a Home page that could e.g. display
>>   - the most recent blog post (truncated if necessary)
>>   - a sort of carousel widget with single sections from the book, with 
>> arrows left and right to flip through them. These sections could be either 
>> randomly taken from the whole book, or from a hand-picked subset of 
>> sections (which I should be able to adjust).
>>  
>> * The thing really ought to be 'responsive', i.e. look fine on small 
>> screens too. This might not be obvious for something like the TOC.
>>  
>> * Towards the visitor it should not present a very TiddlyWikish face. I'm 
>> keen to acknowledge/praise/recommend TW in the About page; but the casual 
>> visitor should not focus on the underlying tech.
>>  
>> * I don't intend to have a server of my own. The free webhost I've 
>> happily used before allows for up to 2 databases, with a choice between 
>> "5.7-MySQL . 10.5-MariaDB . 13.2-PgSQL".
>>  
>> So:
>>  
>> Does this sound feasible with TW5 as a base? (Or would you suggest some 
>> other framework? If it's /challenging/ with TW, but /easy&fun/ with XYZ, 
>> I'd like to hear about XYZ too! :)
>>  
>> How would I set this up as far as server / databases etc. go?
>>  
>> If I go ahead with this, there's bound to be more detailed questions 
>> regarding the functionalities mentioned above; but if you already see any 
>> immediate solutions (plugins, say) please shout.
>>  
>> Apologies for the length of this post. I don't expect anyone to figure 
>> all this out for me, but any thoughts are very welcome. Many thanks in 

[tw5] Re: Fields vs Dictionary vs JSON

[Ed Heil]

This has been a very informative thread, folks -- always enjoy hearing 
about big picture decisions in TW.

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 2:42:12 AM UTC-4 PMario wrote:

>
> The biggest disadvantage for data-tiddlers is, that if you add / change or 
> remove a value from a data-tiddler all *visible* tiddlers that have a 
> connection to this tiddler need to be updated, even if the index, that is 
> changed doesn't correspond to those tiddlers. .. So there is a potential 
> for a performance hit, if it's done wrong.
>
>
Ok, this is potentially huge.  I've got a very large template which 
displays and manipulates the data from a data tiddler in complex ways, and 
I'm running this on Bob, so responsiveness is a big deal.  If I can get a 
speed bonus by going with fields...  that means a lot. 

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[tw5] Re: Strol v. Mentat

[David Gifford]

Hi Merv, 

You could definitely set up the backlink system, relinks and autocomplete 
from Stroll on Mentat. The two column aspect of Stroll would not work, but 
then, if you have Mentat, you have a way to arrange your tiddlers, so a 
second column would be unnecessary. See 
https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#Add%20Stroll%20to%20your%20TW for 
tips on transferring just the backlinks to another file. Blessings.

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:48:11 AM UTC-5 mervinme...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just discovered the plugin Mentat. https://thesherwood.github.io/Mentat/ 
>   I find the possibilities fascinating.  I am using Stroll for some of my 
> wikis.  At first glance, the two appear to be incompatible.  I was 
> wondering if anybody has done any experimenting with combining these two 
> systems.  What were the results?
>
> Merv
>

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[tw5] How to build plugins

[Tristan]

I build a few plugins for TW over the years and the process was quite 
manual but since I do not change much once it is running I did not bother. 
However one of my plugins got a few friends of mine interested and so I was 
looking for a way to streamline the build process. Right now this is what I 
do:

   1. move hidden artifact (.fslckout) from my SCM system (fossil) out of 
   the plugin dir
   2. run "node ./tiddlywiki.js edition/build --build index
   3. move the artifact back into the plugin dir since it is reqired to 
   make commits/diff/etc.
   4. open the resulting index.html file in a browser
   5. navigate to the plugin
   6. click on "export to JSON"
   7. send that file to my friends

What I would like to have is a command that just creates the resulting JSON 
file without all those manual steps. Is there a TW command that just build 
a single plugin?

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[tw5] Strol v. Mentat

[mervinme...@gmail.com]

I just discovered the plugin Mentat. https://thesherwood.github.io/Mentat/ 
  I find the possibilities fascinating.  I am using Stroll for some of my 
wikis.  At first glance, the two appear to be incompatible.  I was 
wondering if anybody has done any experimenting with combining these two 
systems.  What were the results?

Merv

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[tw5] Re: Building a book/blog webpage -- is TW5 right for it?

[David Gifford]

Hi Kosmaton

You could use TiddlyWiki in node.js, and export and upload tiddlers to your 
free webhosting service as static htmls, no database needed. With some CSS, 
you could design it as you wish, in a way that it doesn't look 
TiddlyWiki-ish, and there are plugins to make the layout mobile-friendly. 
The book page, home page and news page are all doable. The book page could 
be handled with details elements (HTML, not the details widget plugin) and 
transclusions. So yes, everything you mentioned can be done.

Alternately, you could do the same with a regular standalone TW uploaded to 
your free webhosting service. Doing it as a standalone means the opening 
page would not load as quickly as a small static html page, but most people 
wouldn't notice the difference, and it would give you many more options for 
how to handle the book page, for example the table of contents feature in 
TiddlyWiki.

What might not work, though I may be wrong, is having a user comments 
section, but then you did not mention that. I know there is at least one 
user comments plugin, but I haven't played with it.

On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 3:28:54 PM UTC-5 Kosmaton wrote:

> Hello Tiddly people,
>  
> I'm meaning to create a new website, and I'd like to ask your opinion 
> whether TiddlyWiki is the right tool (or one of the tools) for it.
>  
> I used to have a pre-TW5 site on TiddlySpace back in the day. I'm 
> semi-programming-and-webdesign-literate, in an ad hoc and rusty way. No 
> experience with databases unfortunately, which may be relevant.
>  
> The website I have in mind would be a combination of a non-fiction book 
> (already written, but expandable/changeable), and an associated blog. The 
> book is organized as a big tree of numbered paragraphs/sections: 1, 1.1, 
> 1.1.1, 1.2, 2, 2.1 etc. These sections frequently refer to one another; 
> it's a hypertext in itself.
>  
> * The site would mainly need to have:
>  
> 1) a page that displays the book, with a Table of Contents.
>   - The TOC should be hideable as a whole.
>   - The branches of the TOC should be collapsible, i.e. click on 1 to show 
> 1.1 and 1.2, click again to hide them, etc.
>   - It may be excessive to load all the text of the book (all the 
> sections) into the viewport (some 70,000 words). But it would be nice if 
> the reader saw a bit more than just the section they're currently reading. 
> Basically a pdf-reader-like experience would be good.
>   - optional: Sections of the book may get revisions, and the visitor 
> should be able to see the revisions. (This would probably get a lot more 
> complicated if I want to allow for reordering, deletion and creation of 
> sections...)
>   - The book currently exists as a LibreOffice Writer .odt file, with 
> sections actually organized as headings. Ideally I'd like to automate the 
> process of getting them into the TiddlyWiki.
>  
> 2) a blog/news page
>   - Blog posts are expected to regularly contain links to book sections, 
> or entire transcluded sections.
>   - Posts must be able to acommodate audio files; a regular HTML  controls> seems sufficient.
>  
> 3) a Home page that could e.g. display
>   - the most recent blog post (truncated if necessary)
>   - a sort of carousel widget with single sections from the book, with 
> arrows left and right to flip through them. These sections could be either 
> randomly taken from the whole book, or from a hand-picked subset of 
> sections (which I should be able to adjust).
>  
> * The thing really ought to be 'responsive', i.e. look fine on small 
> screens too. This might not be obvious for something like the TOC.
>  
> * Towards the visitor it should not present a very TiddlyWikish face. I'm 
> keen to acknowledge/praise/recommend TW in the About page; but the casual 
> visitor should not focus on the underlying tech.
>  
> * I don't intend to have a server of my own. The free webhost I've happily 
> used before allows for up to 2 databases, with a choice between "5.7-MySQL 
> . 10.5-MariaDB . 13.2-PgSQL".
>  
> So:
>  
> Does this sound feasible with TW5 as a base? (Or would you suggest some 
> other framework? If it's /challenging/ with TW, but /easy&fun/ with XYZ, 
> I'd like to hear about XYZ too! :)
>  
> How would I set this up as far as server / databases etc. go?
>  
> If I go ahead with this, there's bound to be more detailed questions 
> regarding the functionalities mentioned above; but if you already see any 
> immediate solutions (plugins, say) please shout.
>  
> Apologies for the length of this post. I don't expect anyone to figure all 
> this out for me, but any thoughts are very welcome. Many thanks in advance!
>  
> K.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a way to automatically save changes on TiddlyWiki?

[Alessandra Carnevale]

Mario, it works perfectly, thank you so much!
So, I put the autosave option on. Now I would like to ask you which plug in
do you think would be the best to use to stay safe while writing my
Tiddlywiki.
Also, and I swear that this is my last question, I'd like to know if there
is a way to search for a word or more words in the tiddlywiki file, such as
the CTRL+H option on Google Docs.
Thank again for your help, it is very precious to me.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 6:11 PM PMario  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Seeing all of this mess, I think the best option would be to start with a
> new and empty wiki and export / import the content from your existing wiki.
>
> 1) The number of tiddlers in a wiki can be found at:
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FControlPanel%2FBasics ..
> It's the $:/ControlPanel : Info : Basics tab
>
> So if you have a look at: "Number of tiddlers" and "Number of tags" you
> can see the number and the "Search icon".
> If you click the search icon, it will open the *AdvancedSearch : Filter*
> tab.
>
> There you can say: *Export - As JSON* ... You should do this,
>
> Then download emtpy.html  from
> tiddlywiki .com
>
>  - Open it in the browser
>  - Drag & Drop import the tiddlers.json file from the file explorer
>
> The number of tiddlers should be similar as in 1)
>
>  - Import them
>  - Have a look at the ControlPanel : Info : Basics tab again.
>  - The number of tags should be the same as before.
>
> Tell me how it goes.
>
> -mario
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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a way to automatically save changes on TiddlyWiki?

[PMario]

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 10:57:33 AM UTC+2 arlandri...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mario, I will try during these days and I will let you know.
> Thank you so much for your precious help.
>

You are welcome. ... 

I personally experience TiddlyWiki as a software, that I trust a 100%. 
(with some backups ;) ... So reading you OT really scared me. 

I admire, that you are still here and try to solve the problems. Someone 
else would have left already... So I strongly believe, that you deserve 
some engagement ;)

have fun!
mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a way to automatically save changes on TiddlyWiki?

[Alessandra Carnevale]

Mario, I will try during these days and I will let you know.
Thank you so much for your precious help.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 6:11 PM PMario  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Seeing all of this mess, I think the best option would be to start with a
> new and empty wiki and export / import the content from your existing wiki.
>
> 1) The number of tiddlers in a wiki can be found at:
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FControlPanel%2FBasics ..
> It's the $:/ControlPanel : Info : Basics tab
>
> So if you have a look at: "Number of tiddlers" and "Number of tags" you
> can see the number and the "Search icon".
> If you click the search icon, it will open the *AdvancedSearch : Filter*
> tab.
>
> There you can say: *Export - As JSON* ... You should do this,
>
> Then download emtpy.html  from
> tiddlywiki .com
>
>  - Open it in the browser
>  - Drag & Drop import the tiddlers.json file from the file explorer
>
> The number of tiddlers should be similar as in 1)
>
>  - Import them
>  - Have a look at the ControlPanel : Info : Basics tab again.
>  - The number of tags should be the same as before.
>
> Tell me how it goes.
>
> -mario
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