[tw5] Re: BASIC Dialects Matrix TiddlyWiki

[Charlie Veniot]

Oops, premature post.  Second screenshot:

[image: Screenshot 2022-05-03 8.18.05 PM.png]

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 8:48:21 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/About_BASIC.html
>
> I had "distraction-free viewing" of the matrix in mind.  Being able to 
> view the matrix in a new window is also better for printing.
>
> Seeing as I want some buttons for that and, eventually, buttons for other 
> things, I need a place to put them.  That top-left cell (first row, first 
> column), seems like a good spot.
>
> Screenshots:
>
> [image: Screenshot 2022-05-03 8.17.36 PM.png]
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 2:40:28 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/About_BASIC.html
>>
>> Okay, "Toggle All" button added to Categories section (the only section 
>> right now, more TBD) of "Choose Attributes to Compare". 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 11:05:52 AM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/About_BASIC.html
>>>
>>> Added "Toggle All" buttons to "Choose BASIC Dialects" and to "Choose 
>>> BASIC Dialects via Categories."
>>>
>>> Next: add same thing to "Choose Attributes to Compare."
>>>
>>> Currently, filtering is applying "OR" to all the filters.  I'm thinking 
>>> about how to setup the ability to toggle between "OR" and "AND".
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2022-05-03 10.55.13 AM.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:47 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 Update: Early prototyping of data-entry forms, hopefully fairly 
 user-friendly.

 Click on something, and it opens up a related form in view mode.  To 
 put the form in edit mode, click the edit button.

 Simple forms setup for:

- viewing/editing a BASIC Dialect
- viewing/editing a BASIC Category

 4 Screenshots:

 [image: Screenshot 2022-05-01 10.26.31 PM.png]

 [image: Screenshot 2022-05-01 10.27.20 PM.png]

 [image: Screenshot 2022-05-01 10.27.55 PM.png]

 [image: Screenshot 2022-05-01 10.28.19 PM.png]
 On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 4:48:37 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/About_BASIC.html
>
> And now, the template/framework for choosing what attributes (i.e. the 
> rows) we want visible.
>
> Rock'n roll.
>
> [image: Screenshot 2022-04-30 4.34.38 PM.png]
>
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 3:07:33 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/About_BASIC.html
>>
>> Update: an now, one can select groups of BASIC dialects that fall 
>> into a "Classification".  This is a good template for setting up 
>> additional 
>> ways of choosing multiple BASIC dialects by groups.  For example: select 
>> for the matrix all BASIC dialects that support line numbers, or GOTO, or 
>> all BASIC implementations that are compatible with GW-BASIC.
>>
>> One of the great things I'm showcasing here about TiddlyWiki:  Rapid 
>> Application Development 
>>  of GUI 
>> and "database", and rapid deployment (one file upload to a website.)  It 
>> is 
>> good stuff.
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2022-04-30 2.49.45 PM.png]
>>
>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 2:09:57 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> Now, the matrix starts with no BASIC dialect showing.  What BASIC 
>>> dialects are shown in the Matrix depends on the (new feature) BASIC 
>>> dialects a viewer chooses.
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2022-04-30 2.07.41 PM.png]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 1:14:46 AM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 Matrix is working.

 Next: filters and widgets to toggle visibility of columns/rows.

 [image: Screenshot 2022-04-30 1.10.22 AM.png]



 On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 2:03:29 AM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/About_BASIC.html
>
> Latest update (very early in the architecture/design phase):
>
>- initial setup of the matrix with just a few items to guide 
>the look and feel of the thing
>- initial setup of data entry form to enter details about a 
>new BASIC dialect being added
>   - I already had the "Add BASIC Dialect" button setup and 
>   first data entry form to set the name of the BASIC Dialect 
> (used as tiddler 
>   title)
>
> 4 Screenshots:
>
> *The main interface (The "BASIC Dialects Matrix" tiddler):*
>
> [image: Screenshot 2022-04-29 1.56.37 AM.png]
>
> *The "Add BASIC Dialect" tiddler contained in a modal window (2 
> images):*
>
> [

[tw5] Re: BASIC Dialects Matrix TiddlyWiki

[Charlie Veniot]

https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/About_BASIC.html

Okay, "Toggle All" button added to Categories section (the only section 
right now, more TBD) of "Choose Attributes to Compare". 

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 11:05:52 AM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/About_BASIC.html
>
> Added "Toggle All" buttons to "Choose BASIC Dialects" and to "Choose BASIC 
> Dialects via Categories."
>
> Next: add same thing to "Choose Attributes to Compare."
>
> Currently, filtering is applying "OR" to all the filters.  I'm thinking 
> about how to setup the ability to toggle between "OR" and "AND".
>
> [image: Screenshot 2022-05-03 10.55.13 AM.png]
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:47 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> Update: Early prototyping of data-entry forms, hopefully fairly 
>> user-friendly.
>>
>> Click on something, and it opens up a related form in view mode.  To put 
>> the form in edit mode, click the edit button.
>>
>> Simple forms setup for:
>>
>>- viewing/editing a BASIC Dialect
>>- viewing/editing a BASIC Category
>>
>> 4 Screenshots:
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2022-05-01 10.26.31 PM.png]
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2022-05-01 10.27.20 PM.png]
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2022-05-01 10.27.55 PM.png]
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2022-05-01 10.28.19 PM.png]
>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 4:48:37 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/About_BASIC.html
>>>
>>> And now, the template/framework for choosing what attributes (i.e. the 
>>> rows) we want visible.
>>>
>>> Rock'n roll.
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2022-04-30 4.34.38 PM.png]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 3:07:33 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/About_BASIC.html

 Update: an now, one can select groups of BASIC dialects that fall into 
 a "Classification".  This is a good template for setting up additional 
 ways 
 of choosing multiple BASIC dialects by groups.  For example: select for 
 the 
 matrix all BASIC dialects that support line numbers, or GOTO, or all BASIC 
 implementations that are compatible with GW-BASIC.

 One of the great things I'm showcasing here about TiddlyWiki:  Rapid 
 Application Development 
  of GUI 
 and "database", and rapid deployment (one file upload to a website.)  It 
 is 
 good stuff.

 [image: Screenshot 2022-04-30 2.49.45 PM.png]

 On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 2:09:57 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> Now, the matrix starts with no BASIC dialect showing.  What BASIC 
> dialects are shown in the Matrix depends on the (new feature) BASIC 
> dialects a viewer chooses.
>
> [image: Screenshot 2022-04-30 2.07.41 PM.png]
>
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 1:14:46 AM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> Matrix is working.
>>
>> Next: filters and widgets to toggle visibility of columns/rows.
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2022-04-30 1.10.22 AM.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 2:03:29 AM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/About_BASIC.html
>>>
>>> Latest update (very early in the architecture/design phase):
>>>
>>>- initial setup of the matrix with just a few items to guide the 
>>>look and feel of the thing
>>>- initial setup of data entry form to enter details about a new 
>>>BASIC dialect being added
>>>   - I already had the "Add BASIC Dialect" button setup and 
>>>   first data entry form to set the name of the BASIC Dialect (used 
>>> as tiddler 
>>>   title)
>>>
>>> 4 Screenshots:
>>>
>>> *The main interface (The "BASIC Dialects Matrix" tiddler):*
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2022-04-29 1.56.37 AM.png]
>>>
>>> *The "Add BASIC Dialect" tiddler contained in a modal window (2 
>>> images):*
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2022-04-29 1.57.04 AM.png]
>>> [image: Screenshot 2022-04-29 1.57.47 AM.png]
>>>
>>> *The "BASIC Dialect Form" tiddler contained in a modal window:*
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2022-04-29 1.59.56 AM.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Can I save tiddlywiki without re-downloading it?

[Eric Shulman]

The default TiddlyWiki saver uses the browser's built-in "download a file" 
process, which includes general security handling to prevent unwanted 
"stealth payloads" from being installed on your system.  One major 
advantage of the "download saver" is that it doesn't require any special 
setup.  This makes it possible to save TiddlyWiki on almost all modern 
browsers, as long as they permit downloading.  Note that in this instance, 
"downloading" also applies when you are viewing a locally-stored TiddlyWiki 
that is already on your computer.

The download saver is also useful because it usually can be configured in 
your browser's settings so that it will always ask you choose where to save 
the file instead of using the default "Downloads" folder location.  When 
the "file/folder chooser" dialog is displayed, if the target filename 
already exists then a number (e.g., "(1)") is automatically added to the 
end of the target filename.  This allows you to ensure that you don't 
unintentionally overwrite your existing TiddlyWiki file without some kind 
of user interaction.  Of course, you can always select the existing 
filename if you ***DO*** want to overwrite it.

This interactive process also makes it easy to save temporary "checkpoint" 
files while you are working.  For example, during a long editing session, 
if I suspect that something I just wrote might "brick" the running 
TiddlyWiki or otherwise corrupt my tiddler content, I will invoke the 
download saver and confirm the save with an auto-numbered filename like 
"myfile.html (1)", "myfile.html (2)", etc...  This can even be triggered 
before I press the "done" button on the tiddler I am currently editing, so 
that there is no chance for my changes to break something.  Then, once the 
current state of my TiddlyWiki is safely saved to disk, I'll press "done" 
to accept the tiddler changes and then proceed to try my new code (usually 
by pressing a button widget to invoke some actions).  If everything goes 
OK, I just continue working.  However, if something goes horribly wrong, I 
can always re-load from my last saved checkpoint file, which still has the 
errant tiddler in "edit mode", so I can hopefully fix my code and try again.

When I am finally satisfied that all my changes are good, I can then invoke 
the download saver again, but this time I select the existing TiddlyWiki 
file so that it is overwritten.  I can then continue working, secure in the 
knowledge that everything is saved as I want it to be.  When I am 
completely done with my work session, I will then go to my system's file 
manager to select and delete all the "checkpoint" files.  If I am being 
extra cautious, I can just move those files to another folder, so that if I 
later discover some previously unnoticed bug in my code (gasp!), I can load 
the old checkpoints one at a time to determine when the errant behavior 
first appeared, and then use a "diff" utility to compare versions and 
identify any suspect changes.

HOWEVER...  having said all that...

Some people find the download saver process to be overly burdensome, and 
prefer a "file save" process that doesn't require any interaction and 
always overwrites the current TiddlyWiki file.  To this end, there are 
numerous add-ons that enable this kind of direct file saving.  Some of 
these add-ons are browser-specific extensions, while others are separate 
"helper" applications that you can install on your system.  
See https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted and select the appropriate "OS" 
and "Browser" checkboxes for more details.

Hope this helps...

enjoy,
-e
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 8:03:40 AM UTC-7 sugamka...@gmail.com wrote:

> I started using tiddlywiki maybe two hours ago. Its nice but is there any 
> way to save the wiki without redownloading it? I am using edge and am on 
> fedora os. 
>
> I don't want to use any cloud. I want to encrypt it and push it to my 
> github repo.
>
> Sorry if this question has been asked before.
>

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[tw5] Re: Can I save tiddlywiki without re-downloading it?

[TiddlyTweeter]

" Its nice but is there any way to save the wiki without redownloading it?"

Yes. Without download it restructures itself on "Save" (generally). 
BUT IF you want an actual file  to reload later you will need to save it to 
disk at some point otherwise it will evaporate if you close the browser.

TT

On Tuesday, 3 May 2022 at 17:03:40 UTC+2 sugamka...@gmail.com wrote:

> I started using tiddlywiki maybe two hours ago. Its nice but is there any 
> way to save the wiki without redownloading it? I am using edge and am on 
> fedora os. 
>
> I don't want to use any cloud. I want to encrypt it and push it to my 
> github repo.
>
> Sorry if this question has been asked before.
>

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[tw5] Can I save tiddlywiki without re-downloading it?

[Sugam Karki]

I started using tiddlywiki maybe two hours ago. Its nice but is there any 
way to save the wiki without redownloading it? I am using edge and am on 
fedora os. 

I don't want to use any cloud. I want to encrypt it and push it to my 
github repo.

Sorry if this question has been asked before.

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