Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Yet another documentation idea

[Jeremy Ruston]

Ah, thanks Daniel

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Yet another documentation idea

[Jed Carty]

Thank you!

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Yet another documentation idea

[Daniel Baird]

That was me.  I've approved Jed's post and made Jeremy a group manager.  I
recommend we keep the first-post moderation, especially for lower volume
groups it's easy to end up more spam than content.

Cheers
;Daniel


On 24 November 2014 at 05:57, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:

> >  I submitted a post to that list suggesting using the method discussed
> here, but it needs to be approved
>
> It turns out that I'm not the owner of the group, and so can't approve
> posts. I have a dim memory that Dave Gifford might have been involved in
> forming the group; I've copied Dave in.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Jed Carty  wrote:
>
>> I think using the old documentation list would be best so that people
>> writing documentation wouldn't be spamming this list and wouldn't need to
>> dig through things here to find proposed changes. I submitted a post to
>> that list suggesting using the method discussed here, but it needs to be
>> approved. Can we make that list open like this one? I don't want to
>> discourage people from posting requests for documentation there.
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Yet another documentation idea

[Jeremy Ruston]

>  I submitted a post to that list suggesting using the method discussed
here, but it needs to be approved

It turns out that I'm not the owner of the group, and so can't approve
posts. I have a dim memory that Dave Gifford might have been involved in
forming the group; I've copied Dave in.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Jed Carty  wrote:

> I think using the old documentation list would be best so that people
> writing documentation wouldn't be spamming this list and wouldn't need to
> dig through things here to find proposed changes. I submitted a post to
> that list suggesting using the method discussed here, but it needs to be
> approved. Can we make that list open like this one? I don't want to
> discourage people from posting requests for documentation there.
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Yet another documentation idea

[Mat]

On Sunday, November 23, 2014 6:58:11 PM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote: 

> [...]
>
> We just need to make sure that we coordinate in the pinned thread so we 
> don't get a bunch of people submitting the same thing a bunch of times. 
>

If we get a bunch of submitting people for anything we should probably just 
be happy ;-)
Setting up the infrastructure is just the premise for it.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Yet another documentation idea

[Tobias Beer]

> I think using the old documentation list would be best so that people 
> writing documentation wouldn't be spamming this list and wouldn't need to 
> dig through things here to find proposed changes.
>

+1

...if that workflow is indeed a way to go, as compared to the bells and 
whistles of GitHub.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Yet another documentation idea

[Jed Carty]

I think using the old documentation list would be best so that people 
writing documentation wouldn't be spamming this list and wouldn't need to 
dig through things here to find proposed changes. I submitted a post to 
that list suggesting using the method discussed here, but it needs to be 
approved. Can we make that list open like this one? I don't want to 
discourage people from posting requests for documentation there.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Yet another documentation idea

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Jed

> mild dyslexia means I have to either spend time checking every word or
deal with lots and lots of spelling errors, this generally prevents me from
contributing too much to documentation

It's pretty well hidden - I didn't spot any errors in the material you
posted.

> Could we have a pinned thread here

I'm not a huge fan of pinned threads, but I understand the motivation.

There is actually already an existing but dormant TiddlyWiki Documentation
mailing list which we could reactivate:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tiddlywikidocs

(There's also a dormant group for core development at
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tiddlywikicoredev)

> My only other concern is that there may be some licensing issues if
someone has a cloned wiki for documentation and doesn't sign the license. I
have no idea if that would be a problem or not, but I thought I should
mention it.

Good point. Some projects have dropped using a CLA; maybe we should explore
it too.

Best wishes

Jeremy.





On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Jed Carty  wrote:

> Jeremy, Tobias,
> I like this idea. It would be particularly useful for people like me who
> can't really spell to have easier review than through the github process
> (mild dyslexia means I have to either spend time checking every word or
> deal with lots and lots of spelling errors, this generally prevents me from
> contributing too much to documentation.). Also it would make it easier for
> people who don't have time or aren't good at layout design to put up
> content and have someone else copy the tiddler to make it more readable.
>
> Could we have a pinned thread here to ask for review of tiddlers prior to
> sending a pull request? That way we would only be spamming one thread and
> people who only have a few minutes could find a list of potential changes
> and a way to give feedback on them. Also pull requests could be done the
> same way as they are done now. Go to the tiddler on tiddlywiki.com and go
> to github and copy/paste from the cloned tiddler on tiddlyspot.
>
> We just need to make sure that we coordinate in the pinned thread so we
> don't get a bunch of people submitting the same thing a bunch of times.
> My only other concern is that there may be some licensing issues if
> someone has a cloned wiki for documentation and doesn't sign the license. I
> have no idea if that would be a problem or not, but I thought I should
> mention it.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 22, 2014 6:24:54 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>>
>> In another thread, apropos the need for documentation,
>>
>> pmario wrote:
>>
>>>  - With 5.1.5. it will be possible to export tiddlers in different
>>> formats.
>>> - So it's possible to edit content with TW. - export it - and send
>>> it to a developer (if jeremy is ok with this workflow)
>>>
>>
>> This is a very interesting idea from pmario. Imagine if it was possible
>> for visitors to edit the documentation *directly on tw.com
>> * (...actually a local temporary copy on the screen).
>> Export that single(!) tiddler to have it sent as a .tid file to tw.com.
>>
>> Then what? Well, I can imagine many options, The tid should probably be
>> sandboxed but it could be viewed from the original tiddler somehow (iframe
>> in slider, or whatever).
>>
>> ...new visitors can read this hopefully improved *draft* and give it
>> likes! When the number of likes reaches a threshold - voila, the original
>> tiddler gets auto-replaced with the proposed one!!! Alternatively, a
>> voluntary proofreader gets pinged at threshold for a final approval before
>> it is published.
>>
>> I'd think much documentation does not require deep technical competence
>> only familiarity with tw, Proofreaders could even get pinged only for their
>> favorite subjects if the tiddler is tagged.
>>
>> There could also be dislikes. Negative threshold reached - poof!
>>
>> The purpose is to have documentation as an ongoing activity spread out on
>> many people where even small, small contributions on the whim add up to
>> something meaningful. "... like tiddlers composing a full wiki" (ah, even
>> poetry)
>>
>>
>> <:-)
>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Yet another documentation idea

[Jed Carty]

Jeremy, Tobias, 
I like this idea. It would be particularly useful for people like me who 
can't really spell to have easier review than through the github process 
(mild dyslexia means I have to either spend time checking every word or 
deal with lots and lots of spelling errors, this generally prevents me from 
contributing too much to documentation.). Also it would make it easier for 
people who don't have time or aren't good at layout design to put up 
content and have someone else copy the tiddler to make it more readable.

Could we have a pinned thread here to ask for review of tiddlers prior to 
sending a pull request? That way we would only be spamming one thread and 
people who only have a few minutes could find a list of potential changes 
and a way to give feedback on them. Also pull requests could be done the 
same way as they are done now. Go to the tiddler on tiddlywiki.com and go 
to github and copy/paste from the cloned tiddler on tiddlyspot.

We just need to make sure that we coordinate in the pinned thread so we 
don't get a bunch of people submitting the same thing a bunch of times. 
My only other concern is that there may be some licensing issues if someone 
has a cloned wiki for documentation and doesn't sign the license. I have no 
idea if that would be a problem or not, but I thought I should mention it.

On Saturday, November 22, 2014 6:24:54 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> In another thread, apropos the need for documentation,
>
> pmario wrote:
>
>>  - With 5.1.5. it will be possible to export tiddlers in different 
>> formats.
>> - So it's possible to edit content with TW. - export it - and send it 
>> to a developer (if jeremy is ok with this workflow)
>>
>
> This is a very interesting idea from pmario. Imagine if it was possible 
> for visitors to edit the documentation *directly on tw.com 
> * (...actually a local temporary copy on the screen). 
> Export that single(!) tiddler to have it sent as a .tid file to tw.com.
>
> Then what? Well, I can imagine many options, The tid should probably be 
> sandboxed but it could be viewed from the original tiddler somehow (iframe 
> in slider, or whatever).
>
> ...new visitors can read this hopefully improved *draft* and give it 
> likes! When the number of likes reaches a threshold - voila, the original 
> tiddler gets auto-replaced with the proposed one!!! Alternatively, a 
> voluntary proofreader gets pinged at threshold for a final approval before 
> it is published.
>
> I'd think much documentation does not require deep technical competence 
> only familiarity with tw, Proofreaders could even get pinged only for their 
> favorite subjects if the tiddler is tagged.
>
> There could also be dislikes. Negative threshold reached - poof!
>
> The purpose is to have documentation as an ongoing activity spread out on 
> many people where even small, small contributions on the whim add up to 
> something meaningful. "... like tiddlers composing a full wiki" (ah, even 
> poetry)
>
>
> <:-)
>

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