[tw] Re: How do you use the core filter macro?
I think a feature like filtering should be included on TiddlyWiki.com [...] The TW community has no control over TiddlyWiki.com, and can only make suggestions. See these recent messages (sadly buried in an largely unrelated thread): http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/1d0441583c2534c3/eee861fc76ea2007?#eee861fc76ea2007 http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/1d0441583c2534c3/b7fbefa589ba0aa7?#b7fbefa589ba0aa7 -- F. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do you use the core filter macro?
Its not clear form TW.org or your post that the filter syntax has to be used in a list or DefaultTiddlers. Reading your documentation for matchTags[1] explains the built in function though. It would be good if core functions were documented like this. I agree that would be useful. That's certainly something the entire community could help with. -- F. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do you use the core filter macro?
I think a feature like filtering should be included on TiddlyWiki.com if it is a feature that has been included in the core. It would best belong with content on lists. To my mind it would naturally belong on under the content section of the features Tiddler[1] I think it would be better for TW users to be able to use the simple built in core macros at first, then use a plugin if it didn't meet their needs. But if they don't know about it they are going to ask the group then use the excellently documented filtering plugins. The TW community has no control over TiddlyWiki.com, and can only make suggestions. Also a user who is learning about computer coding and finds it difficult to understand documentation. It gets difficult when the documentation has quotes and there is no way of understanding what the text in the documentation means. This is not the person to write the documentation. The role a non-technical user *is* able to perform is a tester and questioner, and in his own way help to improve the whole project, making it easier for new visitors. On TW.org, some of my confusion was caused by how the information is presented - the meaning the characters +|- in [filter[+|-value]] .I read it as the acceptable characters are less than, Plus, Or, Minus , greater than a particular value. My trial and errors and Erics documentation for his enhancement did not help much. It seems to me - does not work in sorting that it doesn't work and i get errors. I spent an hour of so messing with it and could easiliy spend a couple more and still get nowhere on this decoding of documentation through trying to see what works. That there is a possibility that it doesn't work contributes to the decision to use a plugin - probably fET. But there is a risk. What if fET stops working? Udo has not written many plugins recently and there is no reason to expect that an updated version would be available. Sunk costs [1] in learning how to do something are something that I am becoming aware of as I walk the non-linear TW path to enlightenment. The radical proposal would of course be to include Erics core in the core, and to use his documentation. It seems to me that an hour playing with the built in filter, you would want the functions that Eric has provided anyway, OR and AND for example. Alex [1] http://tiddlywiki.com/#Features [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost 2009/6/29 FND f...@gmx.net: Its not clear form TW.org or your post that the filter syntax has to be used in a list or DefaultTiddlers. Reading your documentation for matchTags[1] explains the built in function though. It would be good if core functions were documented like this. I agree that would be useful. That's certainly something the entire community could help with. -- F. -- http://www.multiurl.com/g/64 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do you use the core filter macro?
Hi Eric, I'd read your previous post and looked at it for a long time. I made a test case.It seems that the filter only works in DefaultTiddlers or a list. Its not clear form TW.org or your post that the filter syntax has to be used in a list or DefaultTiddlers. Reading your documentation for matchTags[1] explains the built in function though. It would be good if core functions were documented like this. It would save a lot of time i think. In the past I would have just gone and installed the TiddlyTools plugin, but now i am gettig to the stage where i want to learn about core fuctions and how to use them all. (I'm building a 'howto' for myself.) Sometimes i only want to do something simple and a plugin is too much. Re:This new syntax extends the familiar space-separated list of tiddlers (as used in DefaultTiddlers and many other places). What are these places? I've made a test TW to explore[1]. It seems to me that the + and - are not working. Also Alex [1] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#MatchTagsPlugin [2] file:///Users/alexhough/Dropbox/Public/Tests.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do you use the core filter macro?
In the last post [2] should have been [2] https://files.getdropbox.com/u/1316865/Tests.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do you use the core filter macro?
On Jun 25, 9:32 am, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@googlemail.com wrote: The external resources on tw.org [1] are not clear to me. However, I am thinking that using this built in function would be better than some plugin solutions. This would reduce 'plugin dependency' which i am now convinced is not a good thing. ALex http://tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Filtering at the bottom of that wiki page is a section called External links... included there is a link to this thread from way back in December, 2007: http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/db7259852b1e706d/b8b83a918a770cdb?#b8b83a918a770cdb in which I explained the filtering syntax that had just been added to TW2.3.0. Here's a repost: -- This new syntax extends the familiar space-separated list of tiddlers (as used in DefaultTiddlers and many other places). [tag[value]] is automatically 'expanded' to a list of all tiddlers that match the given tag value, while [sort[+/-fieldname]] sorts the list of tiddlers by the specified field name, with a prefix of + or - to indicate an ascending or descending sort order. For example: SomeTiddler [tag[sometag]] SomeOtherTiddler [sort[+title]] is a list that includes SomeTiddler and SomeOtherTiddler, PLUS all tiddlers tagged with sometag... all sorted alphabetically. Another example... if you enter ThisTiddler ThatTiddler MyTiddler YourTiddler [sort[-modified]] as the content for [[DefaultTiddlers]], then your document will always start with the same four specified tiddlers showing, but will display the more recently changed tiddlers first. -- Note: if you want to apply more complex tag matching criteria using Boolean logic (and, or, not, and nested parentheses), e.g.: [tag[foo OR (bar AND baz) AND NOT (mumble AND (frotz OR gronk))]] then you still want to use this plugin: http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#MatchTagsPlugin http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#MatchTagsPluginInfo enjoy, -e --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
