Re: [tw] Re: Migrate this forum to a wiki (not a TW-based wiki)
The issue of documentation is a recurring one. A while back the idea of putting something up on kickstarter was suggested -- by Jeremy I think I've written something for Kickstarter, will post a link when they get back to me best wishes Alex On 14 January 2012 21:59, Arek arkadiusz.dymal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:20:06 AM UTC+1, Lyall wrote: I would hate to be a complete new user in tiddly world Yes, it hurts. As a noob in tiddly world I can say that the lack of well-structured, complete resource is really discouraging. There seems to be a huge gap in the spectrum of tiddly-related information. On one side there's quite a lot of basic introductions available (with giffmex on top of them). On the other hand there are myriads of granularised bits of useful information. However it's hard to find a resource helping to travel from one side to the other :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/-/PNeSpT9lK1oJ. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Migrate this forum to a wiki (not a TW-based wiki)
On Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:20:06 AM UTC+1, Lyall wrote: I would hate to be a complete new user in tiddly world Yes, it hurts. As a noob in tiddly world I can say that the lack of well-structured, complete resource is really discouraging. There seems to be a huge gap in the spectrum of tiddly-related information. On one side there's quite a lot of basic introductions available (with giffmex on top of them). On the other hand there are myriads of granularised bits of useful information. However it's hard to find a resource helping to travel from one side to the other :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/-/PNeSpT9lK1oJ. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Migrate this forum to a wiki (not a TW-based wiki)
There sure are hurdles and advanced features in TiddlySpace for those that have so far only used a classical TiddlyWiki or perhaps a TiddlySpot to have it hosted and uploadable via your browser. However, your style example does not seem a good one to speak of barriers. It's always been best practise throughout the web and not just TW to use StyleSheets for abstract, reused styles. I do understand the reluctance that comes with editing or changing stuff in a collaborative environment. In that respect, the TiddlyWiki space for example indeed does come with way too much noise that one doesn't want to mess with unless one knows how and why exactly. tb. On 10 Jan., 06:20, Lyall lyall.pea...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I tried fidPdling with the tiddlyspace wiki and, as a long time tiddlywiki user, even I couldn't figure it out. I thought I would correct How do I right-justify some text in a tiddler? to say that all you have to do is 'htmlp align=rightthe text/phtml' in the tiddler, rather than fiddle around with stylesheets. I registered with tiddlyspace, I can login to the wiki, but there is no edit link, and if I click on 'Reply', I end up back at my base tiddlyspace page - which I wasn't planning on using. It seems pointless creating a 'Doc note' when all I want to do is simplify an existing tiddler. I am sure it all makes sense to someone who has been there done that since the start, but you have me stumped! I would hate to be a complete new user in tiddly world, when a seasoned tiddlywiki user can't figure it out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Migrate this forum to a wiki (not a TW-based wiki)
On Jan 9, 4:59 pm, Smandoli themanthurs...@gmail.com wrote: I would LOVE to see this wealth of information moved to a better application than Google Group. I believe a site built on something like MediaWiki should become the first option for static or semi- static information. As others have stated, this used to exist, and it was not well maintained. It was also spammy and people complained about it not being a tidldywiki, so it was moved, as tiddlywiki.org, to be hosted on tiddlyspace.com. Both Google Groups and the friendly on-line TWs (I mean stellar resources such as giffmex and tiddlytools) fail on many of these needs. TiddlySpace also fails, though on very different points. As one the devs and admins of TiddlySpace, it would be useful if you could report how you see TiddlySpace failing (perhaps in a different thread) . We want to constantly improve it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Migrate this forum to a wiki (not a TW-based wiki)
On Jan 10, 5:20 am, Lyall lyall.pea...@gmail.com wrote: I registered with tiddlyspace, I can login to the wiki, but there is no edit link, and if I click on 'Reply', I end up back at my base tiddlyspace page - which I wasn't planning on using. What's happening is that when you create a tiddlyspace user, that logs you into the tiddlyspace.com domain, you still need to log into the tiddlywiki.org domain in order for the wiki to be editable. This should probably be clarified in the Welcome tiddler. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: Migrate this forum to a wiki (not a TW-based wiki)
I say keep with Google Groups - just noticed that the web version now has a new view, has Google +1. It might be a way of exporting and collation good posts (like all of Erics for example) Alex On 10 January 2012 11:39, cdent chris.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 10, 5:20 am, Lyall lyall.pea...@gmail.com wrote: I registered with tiddlyspace, I can login to the wiki, but there is no edit link, and if I click on 'Reply', I end up back at my base tiddlyspace page - which I wasn't planning on using. What's happening is that when you create a tiddlyspace user, that logs you into the tiddlyspace.com domain, you still need to log into the tiddlywiki.org domain in order for the wiki to be editable. This should probably be clarified in the Welcome tiddler. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Migrate this forum to a wiki (not a TW-based wiki)
Chris, thanks for the interest. I will try to be useful that way if I can (different thread). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/-/yQB5E3YrqEgJ. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Migrate this forum to a wiki (not a TW-based wiki)
Thanks Måns for the round-up. I will try to make a review of those. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/-/3bNBV6Pgw6QJ. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Migrate this forum to a wiki (not a TW-based wiki)
Hi Smandoli tiddlywiki.org one was hosted on a MediaWiki: http://oldwiki.tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Main_Page Now it is hosted on TiddlySpace.com : http://tiddlywiki.org/ You are invited to contribute to the collection of information already present either by migrating stuff from the old wiki to the new wiki - or simply by creating your own spaces and use the tools TiddlySpace offer, to collect information from every public tiddler avaible on tiddlyspace.com ... I've made my own testTiddlySpace where I organize things in a way that I can maintain via a small collection of *very* powerfull tiddlyspace specific tools and develop in any direction I want - I'm using the tscan macro's search feature here: http://apps.tiddlyspace.gir.dk http://plugins.tiddlyspace.gir.dk and collect them here http://samlinger.tiddlyspace.gir.dk/ and here: http://tiddlyspace.gir.dk/ @tobias made some of his own listings for tiddlyspace.com plugins here: http://showroom.tiddlyspace.com/#Plugins @pmario has used the tscan macro for different social tools: iexample: http://news.tiddlyspace.com/ Cheers Måns Mårtensson On 9 Jan., 17:59, Smandoli themanthurs...@gmail.com wrote: I would LOVE to see this wealth of information moved to a better application than Google Group. I believe a site built on something like MediaWiki should become the first option for static or semi- static information. * Ability to flexibly control presentation for clarity * Community ownership (thus content moderation) * Participation by outer community * Topic-driven organization and navigation Both Google Groups and the friendly on-line TWs (I mean stellar resources such as giffmex and tiddlytools) fail on many of these needs. TiddlySpace also fails, though on very different points. The answer possibly is a MediaWiki site, similar to whathttp://senseis.xmp.net/ gives players of the game of Go. The Senseis site is helpful both as a reference for skilled players AND as an intro to raw beginners — and because of the latter quality, it effectively promotes the game of Go to the larger world. I said static or semi-static information to separate that from discussion. The Google Group is prolly better than a MediaWiki site for discussion (for example, I suspect it works well for TiddlyWikiDev). Maybe this GG would remain useful for discussion. Managing TW information is challenging because variants and specializations and spin-offs and up-scales are being developed with speed and variety. (Not like Go from that point of view!) This raises serious obstacles to investigation. For example, I might spend time researching an answer that seems valuable, only to realize it's specific to TiddlySpace or twGTD or some such. A robust wiki will address this effectively, by (A) disambiguating (such a wiki word!) and (B) declaring the topical boundaries. By that, I mean clearly defining what it does and doesn't try to address (and of course, referring the user to another resource for the latter). It's important to mention the point above, because success will require some planning and on-going moderation. I think MediaWiki offers the tools to facilitate (A) and (B) above; but if they are neglected, the resource will fail under this challenge of complexity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Migrate this forum to a wiki (not a TW-based wiki)
Well, I tried fiddling with the tiddlyspace wiki and, as a long time tiddlywiki user, even I couldn't figure it out. I thought I would correct How do I right-justify some text in a tiddler? to say that all you have to do is 'htmlp align=rightthe text/phtml' in the tiddler, rather than fiddle around with stylesheets. I registered with tiddlyspace, I can login to the wiki, but there is no edit link, and if I click on 'Reply', I end up back at my base tiddlyspace page - which I wasn't planning on using. It seems pointless creating a 'Doc note' when all I want to do is simplify an existing tiddler. I am sure it all makes sense to someone who has been there done that since the start, but you have me stumped! I would hate to be a complete new user in tiddly world, when a seasoned tiddlywiki user can't figure it out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/-/xDN9Cw05O1AJ. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
