[tw] Re: Music notation - LilyPond in a TW??
+1
(no, make that +10!)
2009/3/10 Måns humam...@gmail.com:
LilyPond (http://lilypond.org/web/) uses Project GNU's GUILE Scheme
interpreter for extension. Scheme is a dialect of the LISP programming
language.
I'm using OOoLilyPondPlugin(http://ooolilypond.sourceforge.net/) in
OpenOffice and I can write musical notation via a little texteditor in
Writer, Impress and Draw. Here's an example: \relative c'' {c d e f g}
\addlyrics {this fol--lows the notes} . It runs the LilyPondcode
through a local installation of LilyPond - (it's a program without any
gui) - but it can also be used from a server running lilypond... - and
produces a png - from a ps-file made by LilyPond. The quality is very
good!! If I want to reedit the music - I just click the graphic and
reinvoke the macro - which shows the previous code for the ps-file and
lets me overwrite the previous png-output. It's very elegant and
intuitive..And it means that You can send your document to someone who
hasn't Lilypond installed - and they can read the notation anyway!!
I've seen Mr Paolo Soares': ASCIIMathMLPlugin (made in collaboration
with Peter Jipsen )(http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/~psoares/
asciimathml.html#Dynamic) - and was wondering if it is possible to
make something like that for musical notation in a TW??
A plugin with an option to specify the location of the Lilypond.exe
file (Like the FCK-editor plugin) - would make it very mobile - and
let musicteachers publish lessons and pieces online - as well as give
their students a TW-version (maybe with pngs in the same directory as
the html) - working as a portable musicscrapbook - and the music could
be edited - when the TW is loaded on a PC with LilyPond installed - or
from the web - but still useable without LilyPond - because of the
pngs...
Maybe I'm just dreaming??!!
Food for thought: // If music is the food of love - then let's try
to write some music - in a TW :-)//
YS Måns Mårtensson
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[tw] Re: Music notation - LilyPond in a TW??
I *love* the idea, though I think technically, it could be quite hard.
A normal .png isn't embedded in the .html file at the moment, so you'd
have to link to a .png file outside the TW.
But I've seen some truely amazing things, and I think this could be
accomplished!
Regards,
-Reenen
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Russ Thomas russgtho...@gmail.com wrote:
+1
(no, make that +10!)
2009/3/10 Måns humam...@gmail.com:
LilyPond (http://lilypond.org/web/) uses Project GNU's GUILE Scheme
interpreter for extension. Scheme is a dialect of the LISP programming
language.
I'm using OOoLilyPondPlugin(http://ooolilypond.sourceforge.net/) in
OpenOffice and I can write musical notation via a little texteditor in
Writer, Impress and Draw. Here's an example: \relative c'' {c d e f g}
\addlyrics {this fol--lows the notes} . It runs the LilyPondcode
through a local installation of LilyPond - (it's a program without any
gui) - but it can also be used from a server running lilypond... - and
produces a png - from a ps-file made by LilyPond. The quality is very
good!! If I want to reedit the music - I just click the graphic and
reinvoke the macro - which shows the previous code for the ps-file and
lets me overwrite the previous png-output. It's very elegant and
intuitive..And it means that You can send your document to someone who
hasn't Lilypond installed - and they can read the notation anyway!!
I've seen Mr Paolo Soares': ASCIIMathMLPlugin (made in collaboration
with Peter Jipsen
)(http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/~psoares/http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/%7Epsoares/
asciimathml.html#Dynamic) - and was wondering if it is possible to
make something like that for musical notation in a TW??
A plugin with an option to specify the location of the Lilypond.exe
file (Like the FCK-editor plugin) - would make it very mobile - and
let musicteachers publish lessons and pieces online - as well as give
their students a TW-version (maybe with pngs in the same directory as
the html) - working as a portable musicscrapbook - and the music could
be edited - when the TW is loaded on a PC with LilyPond installed - or
from the web - but still useable without LilyPond - because of the
pngs...
Maybe I'm just dreaming??!!
Food for thought: // If music is the food of love - then let's try
to write some music - in a TW :-)//
YS Måns Mårtensson
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[tw] Re: Music notation - LilyPond in a TW??
Hi Reenen Laurie
I don't think that the embedding - is the problem -The viewtemplate
for Lilypond code should just show the generated png inline - from an
relative URL to the same directory of the html/TW. In the
edittemplate for tiddlers tagged Lilypond - you should see the code -
which will be sent to lilypond.exe by some macro - to produce a new
png - and overwrite the existing/previous one.
I believe that writing the macro is the real challenge. I'm no
programmer so I can't tell how difficult that would be - but I think
that the fact that it involves using a local program (Lilypond) from
the browser - might conflict with some security issues with
browsers...
And you would have to have some kind of php-script on the serverside
that would allow it to write pngs to the directory as well...
I hope that there are some programmers who can see the potential in
writing this kind of macro to extend TiddlyWikis funtionality.
I would be one of the first to use it - that's for sure...
Untill then I will continue to upload pictures to my ftp - and
iframe or minibrowse them in TW - Which is also great!!
But I like to use TW as a full program - and the ability to edit music
directly in TW - would really be something - and put it in front of
some of the other (static) serverside Wikis...
Regards Måns Mårtensson
On Mar 11, 12:38 pm, Reenen Laurie rlau...@gmail.com wrote:
I *love* the idea, though I think technically, it could be quite hard.
A normal .png isn't embedded in the .html file at the moment, so you'd
have to link to a .png file outside the TW.
But I've seen some truely amazing things, and I think this could be
accomplished!
Regards,
-Reenen
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Russ Thomas russgtho...@gmail.com wrote:
+1
(no, make that +10!)
2009/3/10 Måns humam...@gmail.com:
LilyPond (http://lilypond.org/web/) uses Project GNU's GUILE Scheme
interpreter for extension. Scheme is a dialect of the LISP programming
language.
I'm using OOoLilyPondPlugin(http://ooolilypond.sourceforge.net/) in
OpenOffice and I can write musical notation via a little texteditor in
Writer, Impress and Draw. Here's an example: \relative c'' {c d e f g}
\addlyrics {this fol--lows the notes} . It runs the LilyPondcode
through a local installation of LilyPond - (it's a program without any
gui) - but it can also be used from a server running lilypond... - and
produces a png - from a ps-file made by LilyPond. The quality is very
good!! If I want to reedit the music - I just click the graphic and
reinvoke the macro - which shows the previous code for the ps-file and
lets me overwrite the previous png-output. It's very elegant and
intuitive..And it means that You can send your document to someone who
hasn't Lilypond installed - and they can read the notation anyway!!
I've seen Mr Paolo Soares': ASCIIMathMLPlugin (made in collaboration
with Peter Jipsen
)(http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/~psoares/http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/%7Epsoares/
asciimathml.html#Dynamic) - and was wondering if it is possible to
make something like that for musical notation in a TW??
A plugin with an option to specify the location of the Lilypond.exe
file (Like the FCK-editor plugin) - would make it very mobile - and
let musicteachers publish lessons and pieces online - as well as give
their students a TW-version (maybe with pngs in the same directory as
the html) - working as a portable musicscrapbook - and the music could
be edited - when the TW is loaded on a PC with LilyPond installed - or
from the web - but still useable without LilyPond - because of the
pngs...
Maybe I'm just dreaming??!!
Food for thought: // If music is the food of love - then let's try
to write some music - in a TW :-)//
YS Måns Mårtensson
--
o__
,_./ _
(_)_\(_)___
...speed is good
___
I believe five out of four people have a problem with fractions.
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[tw] Re: Music notation - LilyPond in a TW??
The address to Mr Soares' Plugin is of course:
http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/~psoares/asciimathml.html#ASCIIMathMLPlugin
On 10 Mar., 23:48, Måns humam...@gmail.com wrote:
LilyPond (http://lilypond.org/web/) uses Project GNU's GUILE Scheme
interpreter for extension. Scheme is a dialect of the LISP programming
language.
I'm using OOoLilyPondPlugin(http://ooolilypond.sourceforge.net/) in
OpenOffice and I can write musical notation via a little texteditor in
Writer, Impress and Draw. Here's an example: \relative c'' {c d e f g}
\addlyrics {this fol--lows the notes} . It runs the LilyPondcode
through a local installation of LilyPond - (it's a program without any
gui) - but it can also be used from a server running lilypond... - and
produces a png - from a ps-file made by LilyPond. The quality is very
good!! If I want to reedit the music - I just click the graphic and
reinvoke the macro - which shows the previous code for the ps-file and
lets me overwrite the previous png-output. It's very elegant and
intuitive..And it means that You can send your document to someone who
hasn't Lilypond installed - and they can read the notation anyway!!
I've seen Mr Paolo Soares': ASCIIMathMLPlugin (made in collaboration
with Peter Jipsen )(http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/~psoares/
asciimathml.html#Dynamic) - and was wondering if it is possible to
make something like that for musical notation in a TW??
A plugin with an option to specify the location of the Lilypond.exe
file (Like the FCK-editor plugin) - would make it very mobile - and
let musicteachers publish lessons and pieces online - as well as give
their students a TW-version (maybe with pngs in the same directory as
the html) - working as a portable musicscrapbook - and the music could
be edited - when the TW is loaded on a PC with LilyPond installed - or
from the web - but still useable without LilyPond - because of the
pngs...
Maybe I'm just dreaming??!!
Food for thought: // If music is the food of love - then let's try
to write some music - in a TW :-)//
YS Måns Mårtensson
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