[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Diego Mesa]

This is a good tool - any thoughts of contributing some/most/all of this 
functionality into the "tiddler manager"? 

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:49:51 AM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>
> Yeah, the TWaddler gives thee
>
> Batch Manipulator 
> *~ bigly manipulate the masses ~*
>
> a tool to simplify tagging/untagging,
> setting/deleting fields and/or their (full) content
> *...en masse* as well as single tids
>
>
> In particular, it simplifies *identifying *tiddlers that are distantly 
> related so to group (i.e tag) them - see the "green tags" feature.
>
> I've previously made some half measures for this but the tipping point 
> came as I'm currently in the process of *converting a big TWC into TW5* 
> (good use case!)
>
> Cred: Some early pieces for this were picked from things by TWizards 
> *@Mario* and *@Jed*. 
>
> <:-)
>
>
>
> P.S I'm involved in a few other threads here that I have not properly 
> responded to. I hope to do so eventually and I really appreciate your kind 
> replies to my various questions. As someone with a constant tornado of 
> ideas in my head, many of my TW projects float into one another so there 
> are typically several parallel issues. This also means that your kind 
> replies often serve as pieces in several puzzles :-)
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Furicle]

This is a nifty tool - I've got all these mis matched case tags
Thanks Mat!

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Mat]

Updated 

I had fallen into my usual favourite trap of not dealing with tiddlers or 
tags etc that contain quote marks.

@Joshua - does it work now?

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Mat]

Joshua, thanks for reporting. Do you think you could make a screen dump and 
post here so I know which table (the input table, the single data table or 
the relations table) and also so I can see more in detail what happens and 
what tags it is you're applygin? 

Again, thanks for reporting!

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Joshua Fontany]

Hmm, I seem to be breaking something when I click the "up arrow" icon next 
to tags in the table. It adds the "[tag[bb bb]]" text to the filter, but 
the table header breaks and displays code (breaking the layout). Tested on 
Chrome 3 times with different tags added to the filter.

Best,
Joshua Fontany

On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 1:39:58 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
>  Updated  
>
> I believe the final piece - for now - is in place, thanks to help from 
> Mark S: It is now possible to remove individual items from the list. This 
> is useful when you e.g want to delete all of [tag[foo]] ...except for X and 
> Y that you note in the listing.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Mat]

 Updated  

I believe the final piece - for now - is in place, thanks to help from Mark 
S: It is now possible to remove individual items from the list. This is 
useful when you e.g want to delete all of [tag[foo]] ...except for X and Y 
that you note in the listing.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

I been playing with latest.

FYI, I think there's a bug in this filter ... [tag[frotz]tags[]tagging[]] 
+[limit[10]]

J.

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Mat]

Updated 

Hopefully everyone can see the "add to filter arrows" now (thanks Josiah!)

A function I realized I needed but still miss is a button next to each 
listed title to remove it from the filter (i.e add -mytitle or -[[my 
title]] to the filter). Experiments with listops have failed thus far and I 
will probably post separately on this.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[@TiddlyTweeter]

would  /  do? they both work for me in Chrome & Firefox and 
seem to be in most common fonts.

On Friday, 8 September 2017 18:28:40 UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Mat,
>
> there is a Unicode guide to font support for arrows here ...
>
> https://www.key-shortcut.com/en/writing-systems/35-symbols/arrows/
>
> Maybe it shed some light on the issue?
>
> Hex 2BA5 has virtually no wide support in common fonts according to the 
> charts there.
>
> J.
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mat,

there is a Unicode guide to font support for arrows here ...

https://www.key-shortcut.com/en/writing-systems/35-symbols/arrows/

Maybe it shed some light on the issue?

Hex 2BA5 has virtually no wide support in common fonts according to the 
charts there.

J.

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Neither work on tiddlywiki.com in Firefox OR Chrome for me.

Windows 7 Pro.

Weird. Are they dependent on LOCAL font files?

J, x


Both work in Chrome

On Friday, 8 September 2017 17:40:22 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> I get a character encoding problem with the latest on Firefox ...
>
>
> Josiah, thanks for reporting. 
>
> This is a bit surprising as I'm using the utf hex format, specifically
>
> 
>
> would you mind seeing if the HTML decimal format works for you: i.e simply 
> put this in a tiddler
>
> 
>
> it should show a little angled arrow.
>
> I picked it up from this 
>  neat 
> site (do a search for 2ba5 to find that particular arrow). Does that site 
> show a lot of faulty characters for you? Is there any "systemic" problem, 
> i.e are perhaps all characters in specific tables there problematic? Most 
> importantly; which ones work?
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Mat]

>
> I get a character encoding problem with the latest on Firefox ...


Josiah, thanks for reporting. 

This is a bit surprising as I'm using the utf hex format, specifically



would you mind seeing if the HTML decimal format works for you: i.e simply 
put this in a tiddler



it should show a little angled arrow.

I picked it up from this 
 neat 
site (do a search for 2ba5 to find that particular arrow). Does that site 
show a lot of faulty characters for you? Is there any "systemic" problem, 
i.e are perhaps all characters in specific tables there problematic? Most 
importantly; which ones work?

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

I get a character encoding problem with the latest on Firefox ...

Best wishes
Josiah

Mat wrote:
>
> Updated
>
> main change: quick buttons to add e.g a title to the filter (the blue 
> arrows) and buttons to empty out the filter.
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Mat]

Updated

main change: quick buttons to add e.g a title to the filter (the blue 
arrows) and buttons to empty out the filter.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Mat]

>
> Have to admit I was slightly thrown by the thread title "Batch Manipulator 
> - mass tagging" ... 
>

You're right. That was the original premise but it has since expanded. 
Unfortunately it's not possible to edit thread titles AFAIK 


@moderator - if possible, could it be changed into "Presenting: Batch 
Manipulator - mass tag/field manipulation"


<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Mat]

@TiddlyTweeter

I am, in spite of what I said, doing some tweaking on it so you may want to 
wait just a little with evaluation.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

*Footnote ...*

Have to admit I was slightly thrown by the thread title "Batch Manipulator 
- mass tagging" ... 

I think that sells it short of what it does.

Best
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

I took a closer look. The BATCH MANIPULATOR is seriously useful for 
maintenance.

It did take me a while to figure out how to use it. That's likely because 
of its flexibility combined with my slowness in learning.

I do a few more tests & then, all being well, will replace several batch 
tools I pickup up along the way with this one tool. 

TX.

Best wishes
Josiah

p.s. My *inline Perry Mason problem* I leave for another day.

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[TonyM]

Mat,

Wow leaps and bounds ahead. I will be depending on it to migrate my 
Personal organiser from TWC to TW5, when I "get around to it", lets hope I 
can find "a round tooit" because those tooits are quite rare :)

I am a little less trepidatious (apprehensive or nervous; filled with 
trepidation) with your "batch Manipulator" by my side.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:40:23 UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
>  Updated   bigly to manipulate 
> even more masses even.
>
> The main news (yes, *real* news!) is that you can now batch manipulate 
> fields in a similar way as the tags.
>
> Believe me, Batch Manipulator will be great when you want to convert 
> imported TWC tids to TW5 format. But that is just one use case. There are 
> billions and billions more. Believe me.
>
> Note: It is not perfected yet but I will now not do more on it before I 
> stumble on problems with it myself. Unless there are serious bugs of 
> course, in which case I hope you report them here.
>
> So much winning.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Allora, Mat, thanks for the clarification. It looks like I will have to 
incite EXTERNAL FORCES to cleanse me of Perry Mason. J. 

@TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Will it be able to find all instances of "Perry Mason" in Tiddler texts 
>> and delete him (for the sake of humanity).
>>
>  

> Mat replied: 
>
... it is not possible to "cut out" only segments of a field content. If it 
> is a one-time job you have in mind, then the easiest is probably in a  
> text editor.
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Mat]

@TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
> Will it be able to find all instances of "Perry Mason" in Tiddler texts 
> and delete him (for the sake of humanity).
>

He he! If you mean to delete the full tiddlers then yes, that's doable. Or, 
if you'd want to clear out the text fields (fully) then that's also doable 
with a minor tweak. But it is not possible to "cut out" only segments of a 
field content. If it is a one-time job you have in mind, then the easiest 
is probably in a real text editor.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mat

Will it be able to find all instance of "Perry Mason" in Tiddler texts and 
delete him (for the sake of humanity).

Josiah

On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:40:23 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
>  Updated   bigly to manipulate 
> even more masses even.
>
> The main news (yes, *real* news!) is that you can now batch manipulate 
> fields in a similar way as the tags.
>
> Believe me, Batch Manipulator will be great when you want to convert 
> imported TWC tids to TW5 format. But that is just one use case. There are 
> billions and billions more. Believe me.
>
> Note: It is not perfected yet but I will now not do more on it before I 
> stumble on problems with it myself. Unless there are serious bugs of 
> course, in which case I hope you report them here.
>
> So much winning.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Mat]

 Updated   bigly to manipulate 
even more masses even.

The main news (yes, *real* news!) is that you can now batch manipulate 
fields in a similar way as the tags.

Believe me, Batch Manipulator will be great when you want to convert 
imported TWC tids to TW5 format. But that is just one use case. There are 
billions and billions more. Believe me.

Note: It is not perfected yet but I will now not do more on it before I 
stumble on problems with it myself. Unless there are serious bugs of 
course, in which case I hope you report them here.

So much winning.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Mat]

Tony, yeah, that sounds like it would make for a lot of tiddlers and 
complexity ;-)

I also procrastinated conversion of my main TWC because if was way deep and 
complex and with special solutions and plugins.
 

I expect I will get to know Batch Manipulator 
> 
>  
> well.
>

Just FYI, I'm continuing to dev it. Tables sized "*filtered tids* times 
*collective 
sets of tags*" means it is very easy to mistakenly render overly big tables 
that cause time-outs, so I'm making an optional table that is more limited. 
Also, it should handle any field, not just tags. For example, TWC to TW5 
conversion gives a "changecount" field in every converted tid and these 
should be easy to remove.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[TonyM]

Mat,

I have been building a single TWC for more than 10 years. It does much of 
what I need but is not so "responsive" for mobile use, and yes the firefox 
timeout is set from 10 up to 80 and occasionally I loose a days work (every 
6-12 months), It actually contains around 16,000 tiddlers. Actually I think 
my biggest issue will be reproducing functionality, replacing plugins and 
specially designed view tiddlers. In fact it is such a deep rabbit hole, I 
am avoiding it for now.  A trial attempt to import it all into node.js as 
an experiment, seems to have ended sadly, now I need to reboot my Synology 
NAS its running on. The reason its so big is it has included dozens of 
large projects, dozens of small ones as a Professional IT solutions 
designer, as a Knowledge and Information Manager, as a sustainability and 
community activist not to mention creative and entrepreneurial ideas all 
with Operational, Tactical and Strategic review processes built around it. 
Fortunately it is well structured and the key information is in references 
and Projects.

I expect I will handle Contacts, Projects, references and to do lists and 
similar information sets separately and maintain historical information in 
TWC. I think the trick is to bundle these different resources into their 
own new systems that can be moved from one wiki to another, and use a 
phased transition. I expect I should do something with Node.JS so it is 
easier to include or exclude tiddlers, and deal with the size.

I have appreciated the bespoke nature of building exactly what I want when 
I want into a single effective tool, but it appears this means it is only I 
who can do a migration. I will be posting on one effort of mine to prepare 
the stage for this migration, to this group for feedback soon. What I call 
Object tiddlers.

I am working on rapid Tiddlywiki development processes, generic tools and 
solutions, building a technical understanding for three reasons, 1. To 
Turbo Charge how I work, 2. provide solutions for clients and 3. move my 
old tiddlywiki.

I expect I will get to know Batch Manipulator 

 
well.

Perhaps we can compare notes on this migration.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 5:52:36 PM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> Hi Tony and thanks for kind words and feedback!
>>
>>
>>- Constructive Feedback: It feels "sensitive", with immediate 
>>responses we could loose information, I need to use it cautiously.
>>
>> Anything specific you're thinking of?
>
> One problem is that in a complex wiki with many tags, the generated table 
> can get really big - and it can take a long time to generate, including 
> "page unresponsive" warnings. That could be a problem if one doesn't save 
> often.
>
>
> A 17mb TWC with my life embedded in it.
>
>
> 17mb... you must be 200 years old ;-)
>
>
> <:-) 
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[Mat]

Hi Tony and thanks for kind words and feedback!
>
>
>- Constructive Feedback: It feels "sensitive", with immediate 
>responses we could loose information, I need to use it cautiously.
>
> Anything specific you're thinking of?

One problem is that in a complex wiki with many tags, the generated table 
can get really big - and it can take a long time to generate, including 
"page unresponsive" warnings. That could be a problem if one doesn't save 
often.


A 17mb TWC with my life embedded in it.


17mb... you must be 200 years old ;-)


<:-) 

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[TonyM]

Post Script;

I too have a plan to *convert a big TWC into TW5.* I Think it may result in 
multiple TW5 so I am working on interaction between wikis,

A 17mb TWC with my life embedded in it.

Regards
Tony 

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 10:29:57 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mat,
>
>
>- Thanks very much for your work, this will be a valuable tool. It is 
>very powerful and responsive, perhaps this could be an issue.
>- Constructive Feedback: It feels "sensitive", with immediate 
>responses we could loose information, I need to use it cautiously.
>- However I think it is very elegant and useful with the all drag-able 
>a very useful feature.
>
>
> I empathise with your words *"a constant tornado of ideas in my head, 
> many of my TW projects float into one another so there are typically 
> several parallel issues"*, in fact this challenge is making me look into 
> ways of addressing complex feedback loops, process bootstrapping and 
> iteration in a rapid development process. TiddlyWiki inspires more than new 
> tiddlers.
>
> Thanks very much
>
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 10:49:51 PM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, the TWaddler gives thee
>>
>> Batch Manipulator 
>> *~ bigly manipulate the masses ~*
>>
>> a tool to simplify tagging/untagging 
>> *en masse* as well as single tids
>>
>>
>> In particular, it simplifies *identifying *tiddlers that are distantly 
>> related so to group (i.e tag) them - see the "green tags" feature.
>>
>> I've previously made some half measures for this but the tipping point 
>> came as I'm currently in the process of *converting a big TWC into TW5* 
>> (good use case!)
>>
>> Cred: Some early pieces for this were picked from things by TWizards 
>> *@Mario* and *@Jed*. 
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S I'm involved in a few other threads here that I have not properly 
>> responded to. I hope to do so eventually and I really appreciate your kind 
>> replies to my various questions. As someone with a constant tornado of 
>> ideas in my head, many of my TW projects float into one another so there 
>> are typically several parallel issues. This also means that your kind 
>> replies often serve as pieces in several puzzles :-)
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

[TonyM]

Mat,


   - Thanks very much for your work, this will be a valuable tool. It is 
   very powerful and responsive, perhaps this could be an issue.
   - Constructive Feedback: It feels "sensitive", with immediate responses 
   we could loose information, I need to use it cautiously.
   - However I think it is very elegant and useful with the all drag-able a 
   very useful feature.
   

I empathise with your words *"a constant tornado of ideas in my head, many 
of my TW projects float into one another so there are typically several 
parallel issues"*, in fact this challenge is making me look into ways of 
addressing complex feedback loops, process bootstrapping and iteration in a 
rapid development process. TiddlyWiki inspires more than new tiddlers.

Thanks very much


On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 10:49:51 PM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> Yeah, the TWaddler gives thee
>
> Batch Manipulator 
> *~ bigly manipulate the masses ~*
>
> a tool to simplify tagging/untagging 
> *en masse* as well as single tids
>
>
> In particular, it simplifies *identifying *tiddlers that are distantly 
> related so to group (i.e tag) them - see the "green tags" feature.
>
> I've previously made some half measures for this but the tipping point 
> came as I'm currently in the process of *converting a big TWC into TW5* 
> (good use case!)
>
> Cred: Some early pieces for this were picked from things by TWizards 
> *@Mario* and *@Jed*. 
>
> <:-)
>
>
>
> P.S I'm involved in a few other threads here that I have not properly 
> responded to. I hope to do so eventually and I really appreciate your kind 
> replies to my various questions. As someone with a constant tornado of 
> ideas in my head, many of my TW projects float into one another so there 
> are typically several parallel issues. This also means that your kind 
> replies often serve as pieces in several puzzles :-)
>
>
>

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