[tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
I'd see two privacy-related issues with putting the feed in a tiddler. If I'm not mistaken: 1) That tiddler would have to be public for its address to be used as a (no-pass-required) RSS feed. If it is tagged appropriately (excludeLists, excludeSearch, what else?) it might be hard to find for a human who wasn't give the address; but what about web crawlers? 2) Since feed generation has to be enabled, the default public feed (foobar_public/etc.) would be generated besides the plugin-generated feed tiddler. So even if the latter were well-hidden by itself it would appear in this public feed, with all the (potentially originally private) info in it. If this is true I'm afraid I don't quite see the advantage of pre- filtering by plugin as opposed to filtering as Chris described. May be my myopia though. ~P On Oct 9, 10:45 pm, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote: @FND After generating the feed, a plugin could PUT it in a tiddler with tiddler.fields[server.content-type] = application/atom+xml; (or application/rss+xml if need be) Great! Will try that tomorrow. As for atom feeds, would there be an existing TiddlyWiki generator equivalent to generateRss that can be adapted for TiddlySpace? I am actually not familiar with how to construct either. So if there's a noticeable difference between the two, some existing code would be nice. @P I have yet to see private feeds or authentication layers to servers feeding atom/rss, although there's something to them. FND's idea is definetely workable in that you can make feeds available by having the output written into a dedicated tiddler by a plugin like BetterRssHack. I could, for example even set up a feed macro that displays a button which when clicked allows you to publish a feed depending on any specified tags, for example. Cheers, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
2nd thought: It certainly /would/ give a more compact URL (like sandbox.tiddlyspace.com/myfeed) than one with lots of filters in it. And having a macro showing a button would make things more intuitive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
Tobias: BetterRss looks like what I want, but I can't get it to work. I imported the BetterRss and BetterRssHack tiddlers, set Include tagged: to RSSentry and just for good measure also put config.options.txtRssTag=RSSentry; config.numRssItems=2; in zzConfig. The 2 is just to clearly see whether it's working. Alas, I don't observe a change in the feeds (given by the URL as per Chris's post, and the private version of it). What am I missing? Chris: Thanks for clarifying. The filtering is nifty, but I'd still like something like Tobias's plugin, so as not to have every tiddler go into the feed in the first place. Currently it seems really easy for anyone to see all public /and/ private (!) tiddlers of a space once they've figured out the feed URL, if they drop the filters. Thanks both! ~P -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
As Chris already somewhat pointed out... TiddlyWiki's default RSS generator and thus BetterRssHack do not work on TiddlySpace (right now). If they will in the future is for Chris and others to decide ...and implement. It would be great though if one could have items of a certain filetype in ones bags that only on demand are loaded as tiddlers into the wiki ...which rather exist as files on the server and are served as such individually by the server, e.g. index.xml In general, I'd think it even were beneficial for the server if it was the client that generated the RSS feed and all the server would have to do is to save it in the appropriate location. Cheers, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
On the other hand, RSS seems to have been available for TiddlySpot since 2006 [1]. I'd find it rather unfortunate if it were now dropped in TiddlySpace. Cheers, Tobias. [1] http://bit.ly/anFASY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
In general, I'd think it even were beneficial for the server if it was the client that generated the RSS feed and all the server would have to do is to save it in the appropriate location. After generating the feed, a plugin could PUT it in a tiddler with tiddler.fields[server.content-type] = application/atom+xml; (or application/rss+xml if need be) Example: http://sandbox.tiddlyspace.com/myfeed source: http://sandbox.tiddlyspace.com/myfeed.txt http://sandbox.tiddlyspace.com/#myfeed -- F. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
I must correct myself, where I wrote: Currently it seems really easy for anyone to see all public /and/ private (!) tiddlers of a space once they've figured out the feed URL, if they drop the filters. I hadn't noticed when I checked this that my being logged in to my space meant I could see its private feed, but when logged out it becomes inaccessible. Now I understand the rationale behind the system as Chris put it. However this raises a new issue. I was hoping to have the RSS feed so the collaborators on the project wouldn't have to check the space all the time; they would simply add the feed to their feed reader. But if you need to be logged in to see the private feed (makes sense, of course) this becomes impossible... or are there feed readers which send over a username and password? Perhaps RSS just isn't the right tool for what I want to do here. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
Getting feeds from TiddlyWeb hosted tiddlywikis is not the same as
getting it from plain tiddlywiki.
2) On TiddlySpace, what would be the address of the RSS feed? Is there
some way to add an RSS symbol to the page that leads to this address?
On tiddlyspace feeds (Atom in this case) of lots of different stuff is
available, but is not (yet) well exposed in the UI. You can access a
feed of the public content in your space with a URL that looks like
this (this is from my space, for yours the cdent will be replaced the
with the name of the space):
http://cdent.tiddlyspace.com/recipes/cdent_public/tiddlers.atom
If you go to
http://cdent.tiddlyspace.com/recipes/cdent_public/tiddlers
you can see a list of the various reprsentations you can get of your
tiddlers.
These paths are part of what TiddlyWeb (which underlies TiddlySpace)
provides.
By default the atom feed will include the 20 most recently modified
tiddlers.
3) Tobias, I definitely want to do what you suggest, to only put
'journal' tagged tiddlers into the feed. But where do I find the
generateRss() function to change?
To get just the tiddlers that are tagged journal you would do
something like this:
http://cdent.tiddlyspace.com/recipes/cdent_public/tiddlers.atom?select=tag:journal;sort=-modified;limit=10
That should get the 10 most recent tiddlers tagged journal from my
space.
In fact if you click on the following you can see those tiddlers:
http://cdent.tiddlyspace.com/recipes/cdent_public/tiddlers?select=tag:journal;sort=-modified;limit=10
4) Will this send a feed entry whenever I /edit/ a 'journal' tiddler
or only when I /create/ one? Maybe to increase control, I should use
another tag ('RSSentry') which I'd only add to the tiddler once I'm
happy for it to go into the feed?
In the above case the feed is sorted by modified, but you could use
created if you wanted.
These arguments on the URL are called filters in tiddlyweb. They are
like tiddlywiki filters but the syntax is somewhat different to fit
more easily into the web environment. They are explained here:
http://tiddlyweb.peermore.com/wiki/recipes/docs/tiddlers/filter
TiddlySpace has all the functionality provided by a raw TiddlyWeb
server (which is what's running the link above) but does not expose it
as readily in favor of a more friendly interface.
At some point soon links should appear in TiddlySpace which provide
easy ways to access and discover the feeds which are automatically
created for tiddler creations.
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[tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
On Oct 8, 7:33 pm, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote: Would there be a way to construct a url such that atom feeds are produced which point to the spacelink, instead of the raw tiddler? Not at the moment no but making the atom feeds more useful is on the agenda. By spacelink do you mean http://space.tidldyspace.com/foo or http://space.tiddlyspace.com/#foo ? The tiddler page has a link to the tiddler in space which will open the latter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
By spacelink do you mean http://space.tidldyspace.com/foo http://space.tiddlyspace.com/#foo Yep. Though, obviously that would significantly increase the server load if reading a feed item would deliver the whole wiki instead of just the tiddler text. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
Dude, that was the perfect reply. Thanks! Very glad to see it's all possible. On to the job now. ~P On Oct 4, 7:27 am, whatever kbrezov...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! For RSS feed, seehttp://www.tiddlywiki.com/#GenerateAnRssFeedandhttp://www.TiddlyTools.com/#ExportTiddlersPlugin For commenting, seehttp://www.TiddlyTools.com/#CommentPlugin,http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#DiscussionPluginandhttp://tiddlyguv.org/CommentsPlugin.html For limiting access, seehttp://tobibeer.tiddlyspace.com/#SimpleRoles For mindmap, search this group, there's a bunch of plugins mentioned. If you're not comfortable with TiddlySpace, try TiddlySpot athttp://www.tiddlyspot.com hth w On Oct 4, 2:25 am, Plausible verreh...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, I am wanting to set up a shared academic logbook for a project lasting a couple of months. Ideally it would be as follows: 1) My blog/journal: regular (semi-daily) briefs of work done (each one a tiddler); 2) A small number of other users would have access to the logbook, and can add their own entries or comment on mine / each other's; 3) The journal generates something like an RSS feed so the non-main collaborators do not need to login to the logbook to check what's happening. (Presumably each feed entry should only be generated at the end of the day, so that editing a journal tiddler during the same day doesn't send off an entry each time.) Is this possible? I was playing around with TiddlySpace just now, looks great but I can't immediately see how to do (3) nor how commenting (2) would be best done. The logbook would not just contain journal entries, but also function as a type of mindmap, hence my hope that this can be done within the TiddlyWiki framework (which is new to me). Any ideas much appreciated -- thanks, ~P -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
Hi! For RSS feed, see http://www.tiddlywiki.com/#GenerateAnRssFeed and http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#ExportTiddlersPlugin For commenting, see http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#CommentPlugin, http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#DiscussionPlugin and http://tiddlyguv.org/CommentsPlugin.html For limiting access, see http://tobibeer.tiddlyspace.com/#SimpleRoles For mindmap, search this group, there's a bunch of plugins mentioned. If you're not comfortable with TiddlySpace, try TiddlySpot at http://www.tiddlyspot.com hth w On Oct 4, 2:25 am, Plausible verreh...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, I am wanting to set up a shared academic logbook for a project lasting a couple of months. Ideally it would be as follows: 1) My blog/journal: regular (semi-daily) briefs of work done (each one a tiddler); 2) A small number of other users would have access to the logbook, and can add their own entries or comment on mine / each other's; 3) The journal generates something like an RSS feed so the non-main collaborators do not need to login to the logbook to check what's happening. (Presumably each feed entry should only be generated at the end of the day, so that editing a journal tiddler during the same day doesn't send off an entry each time.) Is this possible? I was playing around with TiddlySpace just now, looks great but I can't immediately see how to do (3) nor how commenting (2) would be best done. The logbook would not just contain journal entries, but also function as a type of mindmap, hence my hope that this can be done within the TiddlyWiki framework (which is new to me). Any ideas much appreciated -- thanks, ~P -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
This might be of interest as well... http://tobibeer.tiddlyspace.com/#[[On%20RSS%20feeds]] Cheers, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Shared logbook (with RSS-style feed) using TiddlyWiki?
This might also be of interest... http://tobibeer.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BOn%20RSS%20feeds%5D%5D%20 Cheers, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
