Re: [tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[John Newell]

Hi Mark

In the release of the twEbook I have disabled the ability for readers to
add, edit or save content using the tiddlywiki platform.

Please note that I expect in excess of 95% of readers to be interacting
with the twEbook on mobile devices ( phone & tablets ). That means access
to cloud services within the eBook ( NOT so common .. yet!! )

Tiddlywiki is perfectly suited to embeds, online interaction etc - how many
tiddlywikis have you created with ,  wrote:

> As an eBook, if you take away the ability to save, you also take away the
> ability to have annotations. Probably worth thinking about annotations and
> bookmarks in future ebooks. An annotated ebook could be passed among
> friends who could add their thoughts.
>
> Mark
>
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 at 9:02:12 AM UTC-8, NODEGAMRA wrote:
>>
>> Hi to all...
>> I am loving TW5, I am a new user and I would like for some one to point
>> me in the right direction.
>>
>> I am a board gamer and I am putting together a FAQs for some of the games
>> I play.
>> Mi goal is to be able to distribute the FAQs to the gaming community as a
>> read only file, for offline viewing.
>> Nothing fancy the default snow white theme works great, I want to keep it
>> simple and lightweight.
>>
>> I have my first FAQ ready to go, but...
>> I would like to hide or remove access to the inner workings of TW5.
>> I would also like to hide of remove the sidebar, toolbar and the save,
>> edit and control panel functions.
>>
>> Any help, info or links you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thank you.
>>
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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

As an eBook, if you take away the ability to save, you also take away the 
ability to have annotations. Probably worth thinking about annotations and 
bookmarks in future ebooks. An annotated ebook could be passed among 
friends who could add their thoughts.

Mark

On Monday, December 30, 2013 at 9:02:12 AM UTC-8, NODEGAMRA wrote:
>
> Hi to all...
> I am loving TW5, I am a new user and I would like for some one to point me 
> in the right direction.
>
> I am a board gamer and I am putting together a FAQs for some of the games 
> I play.
> Mi goal is to be able to distribute the FAQs to the gaming community as a 
> read only file, for offline viewing. 
> Nothing fancy the default snow white theme works great, I want to keep it 
> simple and lightweight.
>
> I have my first FAQ ready to go, but...
> I would like to hide or remove access to the inner workings of TW5.
> I would also like to hide of remove the sidebar, toolbar and the save, 
> edit and control panel functions.
>
> Any help, info or links you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated.
> Thank you.
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[John Newell]

 Hi c pa

I'm ReadOnly -ing my Final TW as an eBook - which works fine

I am applying that as my final, distributable product.

If what you suggest is worth doing - I would be grateful to see the end
result and any accompanying Guide Notes, I just don't have any free time
ATM to pursue your suggestion - I am not a coder - so it already daunts me

Cheers John

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> Oh this is an easy one.
> #1 Edit the edit template and change it to look exactly like the view
> template
> #2 Open up the tiddlywiki in a text editor, find the shadow edit template,
> and make it look exactly like the view template.
> #Save the text file
> #Load in a browser and test
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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

['c pa' via TiddlyWiki]

Oh this is an easy one.
#1 Edit the edit template and change it to look exactly like the view 
template
#2 Open up the tiddlywiki in a text editor, find the shadow edit template, 
and make it look exactly like the view template.
#Save the text file
#Load in a browser and test

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[John Newell]

In finalising a tiddlywiki side project and researching what I don't - that 
I need to know, I cam across your post - and your comment : "I guess the 
real question is what does read only gain you?"

As an ebook author, the integrity of the content is important - to me and 
to the reader. 
I could allow readers to edit the content, at their own risk but an 
in-tact tome is critical for several reasons - including :

   - An "edited" version of my ebook could be shared after a reader has 
   made changes that I would not like to see out there publicly - I would have 
   no control over the book's contents. 
   - I remember my early editing of tiddlywiki. I was clumsy. I have 
   crashed complete TW HTML files, I have wrecked and lost tiddlers. I have 
   experimented with CSS and achieved cool and disastrous results. I have 
   become so frustrated at my own ineptitude in its personalisation that I 
   have slammed down my laptop screen. I don't want THAT as a gift to my 
   readers.

I am only guessing but I reckon 99.9% of the global population would be 
naiive to the charms and abilities - even the name - of tiddlywiki. And 
that's why I have created as many cues and enhancements of intuitive 
navigation and ease of reading adjustments as I can.


As a resource for note taking, story building, wiki-ing anything worthy of 
curating, Tiddlywiki is a category-killer. 

As an editable and destroyable eBook version ... no.


My eBook is due to be released in the coming 3-4 days and am in the process 
of final edits including READ-ONLY-ing it.


In final research, and reading your post  - I am grateful for it - as it 
cements in my mind the need to make this project as congruent and flowing 
as possible for the reader.


all the best  - John Newell ( project " Spiritual Quest" eBook / twBook ! )

On Monday, May 12, 2014 at 12:04:24 AM UTC+10, Devin Weaver wrote:
>
> I'm curious if you download a document for offline viewing why do you 
> require readonly? I mean if the user who downloads the document changes it 
> then what would it matter. Maybe they wasn't to add personal notes or add 
> house rules. Why should they be prevented to do so? The changes are local 
> to them and do not affect the "master" version you own. And if they totally 
> bugger it up then they can easily re download it. If they want to "upgrade" 
> then can import a newer tiddler into their modified one and it should 
> overwrite the unmodified ones.
>
> I guess the real question is what does read only gain you?
>
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 12:02:12 PM UTC-5, NODEGAMRA wrote:
>>
>> Hi to all...
>> I am loving TW5, I am a new user and I would like for some one to point 
>> me in the right direction.
>>
>> I am a board gamer and I am putting together a FAQs for some of the games 
>> I play.
>> Mi goal is to be able to distribute the FAQs to the gaming community as a 
>> read only file, for offline viewing. 
>> Nothing fancy the default snow white theme works great, I want to keep it 
>> simple and lightweight.
>>
>> I have my first FAQ ready to go, but...
>> I would like to hide or remove access to the inner workings of TW5.
>> I would also like to hide of remove the sidebar, toolbar and the save, 
>> edit and control panel functions.
>>
>> Any help, info or links you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thank you.
>>
>>

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[adelmanaoaria]

Hi 
Thank you for your fast answer
It has helped a lot.
The plugin is more practical than i thought. (The tiddler with the checkbox 
was the missing part).






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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Ton Gerner]

Hi,
 

>  
> Hi I have just a question regarding the process , steps to make a 
> tiddlywiki readonly with your plugin (thank you provide it to the tw users 
> !)
> In your tw in the help tid (http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/) 
> -you indicate to disable some button *before* hiding the sidebar tabs 
> with the  *add tag* $:/tags/hide -- *delete tag* $:/tags/SideBar system 
> but how could we edit a sidebar tab then without the edit buttons. Is it 
> just a mistake concerning the order presented in this help tid or i missed 
> something?
>

If you go to the 'readme' (or 'help') tiddler of my plugin (via Control 
panel > tab plugins > click the '>' arrow at 'Read-only' plugin) you can 
click the link $:/plugins/tongerner/ro/publish.
First click the 'Help >>' slider for the general workflow and after that 
follow the 4 steps as given in $:/plugins/tongerner/ro/publish:

1) Hide buttons (edit button included!)
2) Hiding sidebar tabs. There is no need to edit the tiddlers of the 
sidebar tabs. As stated:



*Hiding tabs in the Sidebar is a 2-step procedure:  2a) Add the tag 
$:/tags/hide to tabs you want to manipulate.  2b) Remove the tag 
$:/tags/SideBar from the tab you want to hide.*

Adding/removing tags is just done by checking the appropriate checkboxes. 
If in step 2a e.g. the 'More' tab has been checked, the tag $:/tags/hide 
will be added to tiddler $:/core/ui/SideBar/More.
Below 2b) Hide 'tabs in Sidebar' now appears:

Uncheck to hide $:/core/ui/SideBar/More

If you uncheck this checkbox, the More sidebar tab will be hidden (by 
removing the tag $:/tags/SideBar; tag $:/tags/hide is still available to 
find the hidden tab when you want to make the tab visible again).

3) Hiding the sidebar and advanced search buttons
 

>
> -at the end how can we save the settings if we have hidden the save button 
> ? of course we should use the "*special Save button that does not 
> disappear when hiding the standard Save button*" but I don't know how to  
> reach the $:/plugins/tongerner/ro/publish  tid to use this button,  even 
> just after having added the plugin  I can only reach it by the plugin panel 
> and then with internal links presented. 
> 
>
> As I am new to the use of TW maybe I lack how to get to a specif tiddler 
> (I use the search field or my table of contents tid that appears as a 
> sidebar tab or the more tab and the system or shadow subtag but out of that 
> i don't know if can get to specif tid  ?)
>

After performing steps 1, 2 and 3 (if applicable), you can save in step 4. 
The save button (after 'Save changes') is always visible and active even 
when the 'normal' save button has been hidden.

Note (contained in the 'readme'):
*Although you can hide the 'Sidebar' and 'Advanced Search' button, they 
remain 'active'. So it will be possible to have access to Control panel > 
Plugins > $:/plugins/tongerner/ro > $:/plugins/tongerner/ro/publish to 
recover the read/write state.*

Which means:
1) You can bring back the sidebar even when the button is invisible
2) You can get at $:/plugins/tongerner/ro/publish by searching for e.g. 
'publish' in the sidebar. Since $:/plugins/tongerner/ro/publish is a shadow 
tiddler you need to click the - may be now invisible - advanced search 
button to the right of the search field and clicking the 'Shadows' tab.

Hope that helps,

Ton

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[adelmanaoaria]

Le vendredi 18 juillet 2014 21:09:43 UTC+2, Ton Gerner a écrit :
>
> Hi all,
>
> I upgraded my guide 'How to make TW5 readonly' [1]
>
> There is now a plugin which contains all functionality:
>
>- Hide the Sidebar tabs (*all* tabs tagged with $:/tags/SideBar)
>- Hide the Sidebar button
>- Make TW5 read-only (hide Page control buttons and Edit button)
>- Save the status (with a *special* Save button)
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
> [1] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Hi I have just a question regarding the process , steps to make a 
tiddlywiki readonly with your plugin (thank you provide it to the tw users 
!)
In your tw in the help tid (http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/) 
-you indicate to disable some button *before* hiding the sidebar tabs with 
the  *add tag* $:/tags/hide -- *delete tag* $:/tags/SideBar system but how 
could we edit a sidebar tab then without the edit buttons. Is it just a 
mistake concerning the order presented in this help tid or i missed 
something?
-at the end how can we save the settings if we have hidden the save button 
? of course we should use the "*special Save button that does not disappear 
when hiding the standard Save button*" but I don't know how to  reach the 
$:/plugins/tongerner/ro/publish  tid to use this button,  even just after 
having added the plugin  I can only reach it by the plugin panel and then 
with internal links presented. 


As I am new to the use of TW maybe I lack how to get to a specif tiddler (I 
use the search field or my table of contents tid that appears as a sidebar 
tab or the more tab and the system or shadow subtag but out of that i don't 
know if can get to specif tid  ?)

Please excuse my poor English
For contextual information I want to use TW for an extended  Faq , 
documentation tool and make it a disposal for customers as an "offline 
file" because the tool is great , light and could offer an interessant 
alternative to a webhelp pages system. 



 

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Ton Gerner]

Hi all,

I upgraded my guide 'How to make TW5 readonly' [1]

There is now a plugin which contains all functionality:

   - Hide the Sidebar tabs (*all* tabs tagged with $:/tags/SideBar)
   - Hide the Sidebar button
   - Make TW5 read-only (hide Page control buttons and Edit button)
   - Save the status (with a *special* Save button)


Cheers,

Ton

[1] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/


On Monday, May 12, 2014 1:57:19 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> About 18 months ago TiddlyWiki5 featured a blue "edit" button at the top 
> right. Until it was clicked none of the UI paraphernalia associated with 
> editing was displayed. The idea was to make for a better experience for 
> casual browsers of TW5. And one could just hide the edit button to disable 
> all editing features. It got lost in some refactoring at some point, but 
> I'm wondering now if it wouldn't be the time to bring it back.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Måns > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Devin
>>
>>>
>>> I guess the real question is what does read only gain you?
>>>
>>
>> To me it is just a matter of being kind to readers of my TW.
>> Some of the pagecontrols and toolbarcommands aren't very useful for 
>> readers - if they hit one of them - by accident or plain curiosity > it 
>> might interrupt the reading experience - even lead to frustration..
>>
>> Imo read only in this context isn't really readonly per se - it's more 
>> like: hiding elements of the layout to be able to publish a more reader 
>> friendly layout. 
>>
>> You decide how easy it should be for readers to toggle editing on again. 
>>
>> In one of my TWs I have put a checkbox just beneath the Sitetitle 
>> (replacing the Sitesubtitle) - for easy access..
>>
>> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Jeremy Ruston]

About 18 months ago TiddlyWiki5 featured a blue "edit" button at the top
right. Until it was clicked none of the UI paraphernalia associated with
editing was displayed. The idea was to make for a better experience for
casual browsers of TW5. And one could just hide the edit button to disable
all editing features. It got lost in some refactoring at some point, but
I'm wondering now if it wouldn't be the time to bring it back.

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Måns  wrote:

> Hi Devin
>
>>
>> I guess the real question is what does read only gain you?
>>
>
> To me it is just a matter of being kind to readers of my TW.
> Some of the pagecontrols and toolbarcommands aren't very useful for
> readers - if they hit one of them - by accident or plain curiosity > it
> might interrupt the reading experience - even lead to frustration..
>
> Imo read only in this context isn't really readonly per se - it's more
> like: hiding elements of the layout to be able to publish a more reader
> friendly layout.
>
> You decide how easy it should be for readers to toggle editing on again.
>
> In one of my TWs I have put a checkbox just beneath the Sitetitle
> (replacing the Sitesubtitle) - for easy access..
>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>
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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Måns]

Hi Devin

>
> I guess the real question is what does read only gain you?
>

To me it is just a matter of being kind to readers of my TW.
Some of the pagecontrols and toolbarcommands aren't very useful for readers 
- if they hit one of them - by accident or plain curiosity > it might 
interrupt the reading experience - even lead to frustration..

Imo read only in this context isn't really readonly per se - it's more 
like: hiding elements of the layout to be able to publish a more reader 
friendly layout. 

You decide how easy it should be for readers to toggle editing on again. 

In one of my TWs I have put a checkbox just beneath the Sitetitle 
(replacing the Sitesubtitle) - for easy access..

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Devin Weaver]

I'm curious if you download a document for offline viewing why do you 
require readonly? I mean if the user who downloads the document changes it 
then what would it matter. Maybe they wasn't to add personal notes or add 
house rules. Why should they be prevented to do so? The changes are local 
to them and do not affect the "master" version you own. And if they totally 
bugger it up then they can easily re download it. If they want to "upgrade" 
then can import a newer tiddler into their modified one and it should 
overwrite the unmodified ones.

I guess the real question is what does read only gain you?

On Monday, December 30, 2013 12:02:12 PM UTC-5, NODEGAMRA wrote:
>
> Hi to all...
> I am loving TW5, I am a new user and I would like for some one to point me 
> in the right direction.
>
> I am a board gamer and I am putting together a FAQs for some of the games 
> I play.
> Mi goal is to be able to distribute the FAQs to the gaming community as a 
> read only file, for offline viewing. 
> Nothing fancy the default snow white theme works great, I want to keep it 
> simple and lightweight.
>
> I have my first FAQ ready to go, but...
> I would like to hide or remove access to the inner workings of TW5.
> I would also like to hide of remove the sidebar, toolbar and the save, 
> edit and control panel functions.
>
> Any help, info or links you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated.
> Thank you.
>
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Ton Gerner]

Hi all,

Added possibility of hiding the 'Hamburger' menu icon as well.

Cheers,

Ton

On Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:27:33 PM UTC+2, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi Måns,
>
> On Sunday, April 27, 2014 5:03:41 PM UTC+2, Måns wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ton
>>
>> Great idea :-)
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>>
>> I made it a little more generic:
>>
>> ''ToggleTabs (from sidebar)''
>>
>> <$list filter="[tag[hide]!has[draft.of]tag[hide]!tag[$:/tags/SideBar]]">
>> <$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Show 
>> {{!!title}}
>> <$list filter="[tag[hide]!has[draft.of]tag[hide]tag[$:/tags/SideBar]]">
>> <$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Hide 
>> {{!!title}}
>>
>> Now any tab tagged with "hide" will get a checkbox to toggle if it should 
>> show up in the sidebar.
>>
>
> Nice, I have just implemented it this way in my Read-only demo. 
>
>>
>> It would be very nice if it was boiled down to just one checkbox which 
>> would toggle the tag "$:/tags/SideBar"  on all tab tiddlers (tagged with 
>> "hide") at once.. Would that be possible somehow?
>>
>
> I think it must be possible, but at the moment I have no idea how to do 
> that.
> On the other hand, I like the idea of doing it per tab.
> For sure, it depends upon what you want to hide.
> In many cases the 'More' tab will be the first tab to hide.
> In case you want the ability to switch themes and/or views, you need the 
> 'Tools' tab. And in case of 'Zoomin' view the 'Open' tab is almost required.
> The 'Recent' tab can be handy as well in some cases.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>  
>
>>
>> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>>
>> Den søndag den 27. april 2014 12.56.39 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:
>>>
>>> Hi Måns,
>>>
>>> For hiding tabs:
>>>
>>> I thought of toggling the tag for a 'tab' tiddler.
>>> As an example the 'More' tab in the Sidebar: $:/core/ui/SideBar/More
>>> $:/core/ui/SideBar/More is tagged with $:/tags/SideBar
>>>
>>> To toggle hiding/showing the 'More' tab:
>>>
>>> 1) Tag $:/core/ui/SideBar/More with 'test'
>>>
>>> 2) Create a tiddler containing:
>>>
>>> <$list 
>>> filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[test]!tag[$:/tags/SideBar]sort[created]]">
>>>
>>> <$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Check for add 'More' 
>>> tab
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> <$list 
>>> filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[test]tag[$:/tags/SideBar]sort[created]]">
>>>
>>> <$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Uncheck for remove 'More' 
>>> tab
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Now you can toggle the $:/tags/SideBar tag on/off with means 
>>> hiding/showing the 'More' tab.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 26, 2014 12:57:32 PM UTC+2, Måns wrote:

 Hi Ton

 I love your toggle read-only solution!!.

 I was wondering if it is possible to create a global class which could 
 be used to hide individual elements in read-only mode.
 (I'd like to hide individually selected tabs from the right menu and 
 textpassages from individual tiddlers...)

 (Sth. like "hide-if-read-only-class"??)

 I'm struggling to find a way to hide skeeve's (Stephan Hradek's) new 
 tiddler button when toggling your $:/_publish checkbox.

 Would you know how to do this?

 Here's my "class inclusion list" (the last one doesn't work. It should 
 refer to Hradek's .tw-newtiddler-button class ):

 @@display:none;
 svg.tw-image-new-button, svg.tw-image-options-button, 
 svg.tw-image-save-button, svg.tw-image-edit-button, 
 svg.tw-image-delete-button, svg.tw-image-cancel-button, 
 svg.tw-image-done-button, svg.tw-journal-button, svg.tw-crypt-button, 
 svg.tw-image-close-others-button, svg.tw-crypt-publish-button, 
 svg.tw-image-home-button, button.tw-newtiddler-button {
  display: none;
 }
 @@

 Cheers Måns Mårtensson

 Den torsdag den 24. april 2014 17.56.13 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:
>
> Hi PJO,
>
> I just finished upgrading my 'TW5 read-only demo' [1] and/or [2].
>
> It is a simplified version without using the ReadOnly theme and the 
> Sidebar is not automatically hidden.
>
> Have fun.
>
> Ton
>
> [1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
> [2] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:25:07 AM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>>
>> I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
>> settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no 
>> cursor 
>> change -- and believe me I've looked for it.
>>
>> Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if 
>> I'd missed a step.
>>
>> Thanks
>> PJO
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi PJO
>>> The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 
>>> 34.0.1847.116 
>>> m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the 
>>> buttons 
>>> used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, 
>>> to 
>>> save your changes.
>>>
>

[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Måns,

On Sunday, April 27, 2014 5:03:41 PM UTC+2, Måns wrote:
>
> Hi Ton
>
> Great idea :-)
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> I made it a little more generic:
>
> ''ToggleTabs (from sidebar)''
>
> <$list filter="[tag[hide]!has[draft.of]tag[hide]!tag[$:/tags/SideBar]]">
> <$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Show 
> {{!!title}}
> <$list filter="[tag[hide]!has[draft.of]tag[hide]tag[$:/tags/SideBar]]">
> <$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Hide 
> {{!!title}}
>
> Now any tab tagged with "hide" will get a checkbox to toggle if it should 
> show up in the sidebar.
>

Nice, I have just implemented it this way in my Read-only demo. 

>
> It would be very nice if it was boiled down to just one checkbox which 
> would toggle the tag "$:/tags/SideBar"  on all tab tiddlers (tagged with 
> "hide") at once.. Would that be possible somehow?
>

I think it must be possible, but at the moment I have no idea how to do 
that.
On the other hand, I like the idea of doing it per tab.
For sure, it depends upon what you want to hide.
In many cases the 'More' tab will be the first tab to hide.
In case you want the ability to switch themes and/or views, you need the 
'Tools' tab. And in case of 'Zoomin' view the 'Open' tab is almost required.
The 'Recent' tab can be handy as well in some cases.

Cheers,

Ton
 

>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>
> Den søndag den 27. april 2014 12.56.39 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:
>>
>> Hi Måns,
>>
>> For hiding tabs:
>>
>> I thought of toggling the tag for a 'tab' tiddler.
>> As an example the 'More' tab in the Sidebar: $:/core/ui/SideBar/More
>> $:/core/ui/SideBar/More is tagged with $:/tags/SideBar
>>
>> To toggle hiding/showing the 'More' tab:
>>
>> 1) Tag $:/core/ui/SideBar/More with 'test'
>>
>> 2) Create a tiddler containing:
>>
>> <$list 
>> filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[test]!tag[$:/tags/SideBar]sort[created]]">
>>
>> <$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Check for add 'More' 
>> tab
>>
>> 
>>
>> <$list 
>> filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[test]tag[$:/tags/SideBar]sort[created]]">
>>
>> <$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Uncheck for remove 'More' 
>> tab
>>
>> 
>>
>> Now you can toggle the $:/tags/SideBar tag on/off with means 
>> hiding/showing the 'More' tab.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> On Saturday, April 26, 2014 12:57:32 PM UTC+2, Måns wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ton
>>>
>>> I love your toggle read-only solution!!.
>>>
>>> I was wondering if it is possible to create a global class which could 
>>> be used to hide individual elements in read-only mode.
>>> (I'd like to hide individually selected tabs from the right menu and 
>>> textpassages from individual tiddlers...)
>>>
>>> (Sth. like "hide-if-read-only-class"??)
>>>
>>> I'm struggling to find a way to hide skeeve's (Stephan Hradek's) new 
>>> tiddler button when toggling your $:/_publish checkbox.
>>>
>>> Would you know how to do this?
>>>
>>> Here's my "class inclusion list" (the last one doesn't work. It should 
>>> refer to Hradek's .tw-newtiddler-button class ):
>>>
>>> @@display:none;
>>> svg.tw-image-new-button, svg.tw-image-options-button, 
>>> svg.tw-image-save-button, svg.tw-image-edit-button, 
>>> svg.tw-image-delete-button, svg.tw-image-cancel-button, 
>>> svg.tw-image-done-button, svg.tw-journal-button, svg.tw-crypt-button, 
>>> svg.tw-image-close-others-button, svg.tw-crypt-publish-button, 
>>> svg.tw-image-home-button, button.tw-newtiddler-button {
>>>  display: none;
>>> }
>>> @@
>>>
>>> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>>>
>>> Den torsdag den 24. april 2014 17.56.13 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:

 Hi PJO,

 I just finished upgrading my 'TW5 read-only demo' [1] and/or [2].

 It is a simplified version without using the ReadOnly theme and the 
 Sidebar is not automatically hidden.

 Have fun.

 Ton

 [1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
 [2] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/


 On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:25:07 AM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>
> I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
> settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no 
> cursor 
> change -- and believe me I've looked for it.
>
> Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if 
> I'd missed a step.
>
> Thanks
> PJO
>
> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> Hi PJO
>> The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 
>> m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons 
>> used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, 
>> to 
>> save your changes.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skrev PJO:
>>>
>>> Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly 
>>> theme causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 
>>>
>>> Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
>>> disab

[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Måns]

Hi Ton

Great idea :-)

Thank you very much!

I made it a little more generic:

''ToggleTabs (from sidebar)''

<$list filter="[tag[hide]!has[draft.of]tag[hide]!tag[$:/tags/SideBar]]">
<$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Show 
{{!!title}}
<$list filter="[tag[hide]!has[draft.of]tag[hide]tag[$:/tags/SideBar]]">
<$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Hide 
{{!!title}}

Now any tab tagged with "hide" will get a checkbox to toggle if it should 
show up in the sidebar.

It would be very nice if it was boiled down to just one checkbox which 
would toggle the tag "$:/tags/SideBar"  on all tab tiddlers (tagged with 
"hide") at once.. Would that be possible somehow?

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

Den søndag den 27. april 2014 12.56.39 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:
>
> Hi Måns,
>
> For hiding tabs:
>
> I thought of toggling the tag for a 'tab' tiddler.
> As an example the 'More' tab in the Sidebar: $:/core/ui/SideBar/More
> $:/core/ui/SideBar/More is tagged with $:/tags/SideBar
>
> To toggle hiding/showing the 'More' tab:
>
> 1) Tag $:/core/ui/SideBar/More with 'test'
>
> 2) Create a tiddler containing:
>
> <$list 
> filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[test]!tag[$:/tags/SideBar]sort[created]]">
>
> <$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Check for add 'More' 
> tab
>
> 
>
> <$list filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[test]tag[$:/tags/SideBar]sort[created]]">
>
> <$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Uncheck for remove 'More' 
> tab
>
> 
>
> Now you can toggle the $:/tags/SideBar tag on/off with means 
> hiding/showing the 'More' tab.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
> On Saturday, April 26, 2014 12:57:32 PM UTC+2, Måns wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ton
>>
>> I love your toggle read-only solution!!.
>>
>> I was wondering if it is possible to create a global class which could be 
>> used to hide individual elements in read-only mode.
>> (I'd like to hide individually selected tabs from the right menu and 
>> textpassages from individual tiddlers...)
>>
>> (Sth. like "hide-if-read-only-class"??)
>>
>> I'm struggling to find a way to hide skeeve's (Stephan Hradek's) new 
>> tiddler button when toggling your $:/_publish checkbox.
>>
>> Would you know how to do this?
>>
>> Here's my "class inclusion list" (the last one doesn't work. It should 
>> refer to Hradek's .tw-newtiddler-button class ):
>>
>> @@display:none;
>> svg.tw-image-new-button, svg.tw-image-options-button, 
>> svg.tw-image-save-button, svg.tw-image-edit-button, 
>> svg.tw-image-delete-button, svg.tw-image-cancel-button, 
>> svg.tw-image-done-button, svg.tw-journal-button, svg.tw-crypt-button, 
>> svg.tw-image-close-others-button, svg.tw-crypt-publish-button, 
>> svg.tw-image-home-button, button.tw-newtiddler-button {
>>  display: none;
>> }
>> @@
>>
>> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>>
>> Den torsdag den 24. april 2014 17.56.13 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:
>>>
>>> Hi PJO,
>>>
>>> I just finished upgrading my 'TW5 read-only demo' [1] and/or [2].
>>>
>>> It is a simplified version without using the ReadOnly theme and the 
>>> Sidebar is not automatically hidden.
>>>
>>> Have fun.
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>> [1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
>>> [2] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:25:07 AM UTC+2, PJO wrote:

 I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
 settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no cursor 
 change -- and believe me I've looked for it.

 Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if 
 I'd missed a step.

 Thanks
 PJO

 On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi PJO
> The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 
> m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons 
> used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, 
> to 
> save your changes.
>
> Birthe
>
> Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skrev PJO:
>>
>> Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly 
>> theme causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 
>>
>> Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
>> disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.
>>
>> With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top 
>> menu happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.
>>
>> The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and 
>> options but a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- 
>> the 
>> minimum to do this and nothing else. 
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> PJO
>>
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Måns,

For hiding tabs:

I thought of toggling the tag for a 'tab' tiddler.
As an example the 'More' tab in the Sidebar: $:/core/ui/SideBar/More
$:/core/ui/SideBar/More is tagged with $:/tags/SideBar

To toggle hiding/showing the 'More' tab:

1) Tag $:/core/ui/SideBar/More with 'test'

2) Create a tiddler containing:

<$list filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[test]!tag[$:/tags/SideBar]sort[created]]">

<$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Check for add 'More' 
tab



<$list filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[test]tag[$:/tags/SideBar]sort[created]]">

<$checkbox tag="$:/tags/SideBar">  Uncheck for remove 'More' 
tab



Now you can toggle the $:/tags/SideBar tag on/off with means hiding/showing 
the 'More' tab.

Cheers,

Ton

On Saturday, April 26, 2014 12:57:32 PM UTC+2, Måns wrote:
>
> Hi Ton
>
> I love your toggle read-only solution!!.
>
> I was wondering if it is possible to create a global class which could be 
> used to hide individual elements in read-only mode.
> (I'd like to hide individually selected tabs from the right menu and 
> textpassages from individual tiddlers...)
>
> (Sth. like "hide-if-read-only-class"??)
>
> I'm struggling to find a way to hide skeeve's (Stephan Hradek's) new 
> tiddler button when toggling your $:/_publish checkbox.
>
> Would you know how to do this?
>
> Here's my "class inclusion list" (the last one doesn't work. It should 
> refer to Hradek's .tw-newtiddler-button class ):
>
> @@display:none;
> svg.tw-image-new-button, svg.tw-image-options-button, 
> svg.tw-image-save-button, svg.tw-image-edit-button, 
> svg.tw-image-delete-button, svg.tw-image-cancel-button, 
> svg.tw-image-done-button, svg.tw-journal-button, svg.tw-crypt-button, 
> svg.tw-image-close-others-button, svg.tw-crypt-publish-button, 
> svg.tw-image-home-button, button.tw-newtiddler-button {
>  display: none;
> }
> @@
>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>
> Den torsdag den 24. april 2014 17.56.13 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:
>>
>> Hi PJO,
>>
>> I just finished upgrading my 'TW5 read-only demo' [1] and/or [2].
>>
>> It is a simplified version without using the ReadOnly theme and the 
>> Sidebar is not automatically hidden.
>>
>> Have fun.
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> [1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
>> [2] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:25:07 AM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
>>> settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no cursor 
>>> change -- and believe me I've looked for it.
>>>
>>> Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if I'd 
>>> missed a step.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> PJO
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:

 Hi PJO
 The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 
 m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons 
 used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, to 
 save your changes.

 Birthe

 Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skrev PJO:
>
> Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly 
> theme causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 
>
> Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
> disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.
>
> With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top 
> menu happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.
>
> The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and 
> options but a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- the 
> minimum to do this and nothing else. 
>
> Many thanks,
> PJO
>


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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Ton Gerner]

You're welcome,

Ton

On Saturday, April 26, 2014 10:10:31 PM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>
> Works perfectly! Beautifully simple too. Many thanks. --PJO
>
> On Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:56:13 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi PJO,
>>
>> I just finished upgrading my 'TW5 read-only demo' [1] and/or [2].
>>
>> It is a simplified version without using the ReadOnly theme and the 
>> Sidebar is not automatically hidden.
>>
>> Have fun.
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> [1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
>> [2] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:25:07 AM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
>>> settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no cursor 
>>> change -- and believe me I've looked for it.
>>>
>>> Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if I'd 
>>> missed a step.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> PJO
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:

 Hi PJO
 The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 
 m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons 
 used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, to 
 save your changes.

 Birthe

 Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skrev PJO:
>
> Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly 
> theme causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 
>
> Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
> disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.
>
> With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top 
> menu happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.
>
> The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and 
> options but a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- the 
> minimum to do this and nothing else. 
>
> Many thanks,
> PJO
>


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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[PJO]

Works perfectly! Beautifully simple too. Many thanks. --PJO

On Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:56:13 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi PJO,
>
> I just finished upgrading my 'TW5 read-only demo' [1] and/or [2].
>
> It is a simplified version without using the ReadOnly theme and the 
> Sidebar is not automatically hidden.
>
> Have fun.
>
> Ton
>
> [1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
> [2] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:25:07 AM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>>
>> I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
>> settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no cursor 
>> change -- and believe me I've looked for it.
>>
>> Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if I'd 
>> missed a step.
>>
>> Thanks
>> PJO
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi PJO
>>> The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 
>>> m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons 
>>> used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, to 
>>> save your changes.
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>>
>>> Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skrev PJO:

 Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly 
 theme causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 

 Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
 disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.

 With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top 
 menu happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.

 The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and options 
 but a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- the minimum 
 to do this and nothing else. 

 Many thanks,
 PJO

>>>

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[PJO]

Ton,

Many thanks, I'll give it a go.

PJO

On Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:56:13 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi PJO,
>
> I just finished upgrading my 'TW5 read-only demo' [1] and/or [2].
>
> It is a simplified version without using the ReadOnly theme and the 
> Sidebar is not automatically hidden.
>
> Have fun.
>
> Ton
>
> [1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
> [2] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:25:07 AM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>>
>> I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
>> settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no cursor 
>> change -- and believe me I've looked for it.
>>
>> Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if I'd 
>> missed a step.
>>
>> Thanks
>> PJO
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi PJO
>>> The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 
>>> m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons 
>>> used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, to 
>>> save your changes.
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>>
>>> Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skrev PJO:

 Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly 
 theme causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 

 Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
 disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.

 With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top 
 menu happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.

 The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and options 
 but a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- the minimum 
 to do this and nothing else. 

 Many thanks,
 PJO

>>>

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Måns,


On Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:14:44 PM UTC+2, Måns wrote:
>
> Hi Ton
>
> Thank you very much for taking your time to answer my question :-)...
>
> I guess I have to make invisible buttons with no text and a svg image 
> (assigned to a special tw-class to be able to toggle a button's visibility.
>

I think so, e.g. the full screen button at http://tiddlywiki.com/ 
(Features):

<$button message="tw-full-screen">full screen support

Instead of a "standard" button you can replace the text "full screen 
support" by an svg icon e.g. $:/_images/full-screen-button with a class 
that you can use later for hiding the button.
You have to add the class "btn-invisible" to suppress the "standard" button:

<$button message="tw-full-screen" 
class="btn-invisible">{{$:/_images/full-screen-button}}


That way I use it in http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/

Cheers,

Ton

>
> I thought it might be possible (in tw5) to create a custom hidethis class 
> which could be used to hide anything wrapped inside it - eg. using your 
> brilliant toggle visibility/publish feature... 
>
> Do you know what the logic behind the svg.-prefix for the tw-button 
> classes is?
>
 
Because svg images are used, I think.
I just copied the code from the ReadOnly theme.

Cheers,

Ton

>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson  
>  
>
> Den lørdag den 26. april 2014 17.29.19 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:
>>
>> Hi Måns,
>>
>> On Saturday, April 26, 2014 12:57:32 PM UTC+2, Måns wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ton
>>>
>>> I love your toggle read-only solution!!.
>>>
>>
>> Glad you like it.
>>
>> I am in the process of upgrading my guides to 5.0.10-beta; a lot of work 
>> since so many things changed.
>> I started with the read-only guide since it was the easiest one (no extra 
>> menus and/or buttons) *and *i wanted to simplify it.
>> And there was also the question in this post ;-)
>>
>>
>>> I was wondering if it is possible to create a global class which could 
>>> be used to hide individual elements in read-only mode.
>>> (I'd like to hide individually selected tabs from the right menu and 
>>> textpassages from individual tiddlers...)
>>>
>>> (Sth. like "hide-if-read-only-class"??)
>>>
>>>  For text it is easy to hide it.
>>
>> Define a class:
>>
>> .hide {
>>  display: none;
>> }
>>
>> Text to hide has to be surrounded with the 'hide' style:
>>
>> @@.hide
>> Text to hide
>> @@
>>
>> At the moment I don't know how to hide tabs. I have to think about that.
>>
>> If somebody else has a solution ...
>>
>> I'm struggling to find a way to hide skeeve's (Stephan Hradek's) new 
>>> tiddler button when toggling your $:/_publish checkbox.
>>>
>>> Would you know how to do this?
>>>
>>> Here's my "class inclusion list" (the last one doesn't work. It should 
>>> refer to Hradek's .tw-newtiddler-button class ):
>>>
>>> @@display:none;
>>> svg.tw-image-new-button, svg.tw-image-options-button, 
>>> svg.tw-image-save-button, svg.tw-image-edit-button, 
>>> svg.tw-image-delete-button, svg.tw-image-cancel-button, 
>>> svg.tw-image-done-button, svg.tw-journal-button, svg.tw-crypt-button, 
>>> svg.tw-image-close-others-button, svg.tw-crypt-publish-button, 
>>> svg.tw-image-home-button, button.tw-newtiddler-button {
>>>  display: none;
>>> }
>>> @@
>>>
>>
>> Sorry Måns, I have no idea; I did not experiment with Stephan's 
>> newtiddler. I saw Dave Gifford also had problems, see [1] (How to add CSS 
>> to Skeeve's newtiddler button)
>> Maybe Birthe C's solution (given in [1]) works.
>>
>> Or can you use my 'New template tiddler' button in [2] ?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> [1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/7-_RBjoZh04/ZnuOOvEMVVMJ
>> [2] http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>
>>> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>>>
>>> Den torsdag den 24. april 2014 17.56.13 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:

 Hi PJO,

 I just finished upgrading my 'TW5 read-only demo' [1] and/or [2].

 It is a simplified version without using the ReadOnly theme and the 
 Sidebar is not automatically hidden.

 Have fun.

 Ton

 [1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
 [2] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/


 On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:25:07 AM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>
> I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
> settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no 
> cursor 
> change -- and believe me I've looked for it.
>
> Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if 
> I'd missed a step.
>
> Thanks
> PJO
>
> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> Hi PJO
>> The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 
>> m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons 
>> used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, 
>> to 
>> save your changes.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skre

[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Måns]

Hi Ton

Thank you very much for taking your time to answer my question :-)...

I guess I have to make invisible buttons with no text and a svg image 
(assigned to a special tw-class to be able to toggle a button's visibility..

I thought it might be possible (in tw5) to create a custom hidethis class 
which could be used to hide anything wrapped inside it - eg. using your 
brilliant toggle visibility/publish feature... 

Do you know what the logic behind the svg.-prefix for the tw-button classes 
is?

Cheers Måns Mårtensson  
 

Den lørdag den 26. april 2014 17.29.19 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:
>
> Hi Måns,
>
> On Saturday, April 26, 2014 12:57:32 PM UTC+2, Måns wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ton
>>
>> I love your toggle read-only solution!!.
>>
>
> Glad you like it.
>
> I am in the process of upgrading my guides to 5.0.10-beta; a lot of work 
> since so many things changed.
> I started with the read-only guide since it was the easiest one (no extra 
> menus and/or buttons) *and *i wanted to simplify it.
> And there was also the question in this post ;-)
>
>
>> I was wondering if it is possible to create a global class which could be 
>> used to hide individual elements in read-only mode.
>> (I'd like to hide individually selected tabs from the right menu and 
>> textpassages from individual tiddlers...)
>>
>> (Sth. like "hide-if-read-only-class"??)
>>
>>  For text it is easy to hide it.
>
> Define a class:
>
> .hide {
>  display: none;
> }
>
> Text to hide has to be surrounded with the 'hide' style:
>
> @@.hide
> Text to hide
> @@
>
> At the moment I don't know how to hide tabs. I have to think about that.
>
> If somebody else has a solution ...
>
> I'm struggling to find a way to hide skeeve's (Stephan Hradek's) new 
>> tiddler button when toggling your $:/_publish checkbox.
>>
>> Would you know how to do this?
>>
>> Here's my "class inclusion list" (the last one doesn't work. It should 
>> refer to Hradek's .tw-newtiddler-button class ):
>>
>> @@display:none;
>> svg.tw-image-new-button, svg.tw-image-options-button, 
>> svg.tw-image-save-button, svg.tw-image-edit-button, 
>> svg.tw-image-delete-button, svg.tw-image-cancel-button, 
>> svg.tw-image-done-button, svg.tw-journal-button, svg.tw-crypt-button, 
>> svg.tw-image-close-others-button, svg.tw-crypt-publish-button, 
>> svg.tw-image-home-button, button.tw-newtiddler-button {
>>  display: none;
>> }
>> @@
>>
>
> Sorry Måns, I have no idea; I did not experiment with Stephan's 
> newtiddler. I saw Dave Gifford also had problems, see [1] (How to add CSS 
> to Skeeve's newtiddler button)
> Maybe Birthe C's solution (given in [1]) works.
>
> Or can you use my 'New template tiddler' button in [2] ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
> [1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/7-_RBjoZh04/ZnuOOvEMVVMJ
> [2] http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
>> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>>
>> Den torsdag den 24. april 2014 17.56.13 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:
>>>
>>> Hi PJO,
>>>
>>> I just finished upgrading my 'TW5 read-only demo' [1] and/or [2].
>>>
>>> It is a simplified version without using the ReadOnly theme and the 
>>> Sidebar is not automatically hidden.
>>>
>>> Have fun.
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>> [1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
>>> [2] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:25:07 AM UTC+2, PJO wrote:

 I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
 settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no cursor 
 change -- and believe me I've looked for it.

 Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if 
 I'd missed a step.

 Thanks
 PJO

 On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi PJO
> The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 
> m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons 
> used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, 
> to 
> save your changes.
>
> Birthe
>
> Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skrev PJO:
>>
>> Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly 
>> theme causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 
>>
>> Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
>> disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.
>>
>> With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top 
>> menu happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.
>>
>> The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and 
>> options but a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- 
>> the 
>> minimum to do this and nothing else. 
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> PJO
>>
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Måns,

On Saturday, April 26, 2014 12:57:32 PM UTC+2, Måns wrote:
>
> Hi Ton
>
> I love your toggle read-only solution!!.
>

Glad you like it.

I am in the process of upgrading my guides to 5.0.10-beta; a lot of work 
since so many things changed.
I started with the read-only guide since it was the easiest one (no extra 
menus and/or buttons) *and *i wanted to simplify it.
And there was also the question in this post ;-)


> I was wondering if it is possible to create a global class which could be 
> used to hide individual elements in read-only mode.
> (I'd like to hide individually selected tabs from the right menu and 
> textpassages from individual tiddlers...)
>
> (Sth. like "hide-if-read-only-class"??)
>
>  For text it is easy to hide it.

Define a class:

.hide {
 display: none;
}

Text to hide has to be surrounded with the 'hide' style:

@@.hide
Text to hide
@@

At the moment I don't know how to hide tabs. I have to think about that.

If somebody else has a solution ...

I'm struggling to find a way to hide skeeve's (Stephan Hradek's) new 
> tiddler button when toggling your $:/_publish checkbox.
>
> Would you know how to do this?
>
> Here's my "class inclusion list" (the last one doesn't work. It should 
> refer to Hradek's .tw-newtiddler-button class ):
>
> @@display:none;
> svg.tw-image-new-button, svg.tw-image-options-button, 
> svg.tw-image-save-button, svg.tw-image-edit-button, 
> svg.tw-image-delete-button, svg.tw-image-cancel-button, 
> svg.tw-image-done-button, svg.tw-journal-button, svg.tw-crypt-button, 
> svg.tw-image-close-others-button, svg.tw-crypt-publish-button, 
> svg.tw-image-home-button, button.tw-newtiddler-button {
>  display: none;
> }
> @@
>

Sorry Måns, I have no idea; I did not experiment with Stephan's newtiddler. 
I saw Dave Gifford also had problems, see [1] (How to add CSS to Skeeve's 
newtiddler button)
Maybe Birthe C's solution (given in [1]) works.

Or can you use my 'New template tiddler' button in [2] ?

Cheers,

Ton

[1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/7-_RBjoZh04/ZnuOOvEMVVMJ
[2] http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/


> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>
> Den torsdag den 24. april 2014 17.56.13 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:
>>
>> Hi PJO,
>>
>> I just finished upgrading my 'TW5 read-only demo' [1] and/or [2].
>>
>> It is a simplified version without using the ReadOnly theme and the 
>> Sidebar is not automatically hidden.
>>
>> Have fun.
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> [1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
>> [2] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:25:07 AM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
>>> settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no cursor 
>>> change -- and believe me I've looked for it.
>>>
>>> Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if I'd 
>>> missed a step.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> PJO
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:

 Hi PJO
 The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 
 m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons 
 used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, to 
 save your changes.

 Birthe

 Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skrev PJO:
>
> Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly 
> theme causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 
>
> Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
> disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.
>
> With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top 
> menu happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.
>
> The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and 
> options but a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- the 
> minimum to do this and nothing else. 
>
> Many thanks,
> PJO
>


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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Måns]

I would also like to be able to hide the "..." (AdvancedSearch link) from 
the normal search box...

Den lørdag den 26. april 2014 12.57.32 UTC+2 skrev Måns:
>
> Hi Ton
>
> I love your toggle read-only solution!!.
>
> I was wondering if it is possible to create a global class which could be 
> used to hide individual elements in read-only mode.
> (I'd like to hide individually selected tabs from the right menu and 
> textpassages from individual tiddlers...)
>
> (Sth. like "hide-if-read-only-class"??)
>
> I'm struggling to find a way to hide skeeve's (Stephan Hradek's) new 
> tiddler button when toggling your $:/_publish checkbox.
>
> Would you know how to do this?
>
> Here's my "class inclusion list" (the last one doesn't work. It should 
> refer to Hradek's .tw-newtiddler-button class ):
>
> @@display:none;
> svg.tw-image-new-button, svg.tw-image-options-button, 
> svg.tw-image-save-button, svg.tw-image-edit-button, 
> svg.tw-image-delete-button, svg.tw-image-cancel-button, 
> svg.tw-image-done-button, svg.tw-journal-button, svg.tw-crypt-button, 
> svg.tw-image-close-others-button, svg.tw-crypt-publish-button, 
> svg.tw-image-home-button, button.tw-newtiddler-button {
>  display: none;
> }
> @@
>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>
> Den torsdag den 24. april 2014 17.56.13 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:
>>
>> Hi PJO,
>>
>> I just finished upgrading my 'TW5 read-only demo' [1] and/or [2].
>>
>> It is a simplified version without using the ReadOnly theme and the 
>> Sidebar is not automatically hidden.
>>
>> Have fun.
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> [1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
>> [2] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:25:07 AM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
>>> settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no cursor 
>>> change -- and believe me I've looked for it.
>>>
>>> Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if I'd 
>>> missed a step.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> PJO
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:

 Hi PJO
 The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 
 m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons 
 used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, to 
 save your changes.

 Birthe

 Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skrev PJO:
>
> Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly 
> theme causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 
>
> Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
> disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.
>
> With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top 
> menu happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.
>
> The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and 
> options but a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- the 
> minimum to do this and nothing else. 
>
> Many thanks,
> PJO
>


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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Måns]

Hi Ton

I love your toggle read-only solution!!.

I was wondering if it is possible to create a global class which could be 
used to hide individual elements in read-only mode.
(I'd like to hide individually selected tabs from the right menu and 
textpassages from individual tiddlers...)

(Sth. like "hide-if-read-only-class"??)

I'm struggling to find a way to hide skeeve's (Stephan Hradek's) new 
tiddler button when toggling your $:/_publish checkbox.

Would you know how to do this?

Here's my "class inclusion list" (the last one doesn't work. It should 
refer to Hradek's .tw-newtiddler-button class ):

@@display:none;
svg.tw-image-new-button, svg.tw-image-options-button, 
svg.tw-image-save-button, svg.tw-image-edit-button, 
svg.tw-image-delete-button, svg.tw-image-cancel-button, 
svg.tw-image-done-button, svg.tw-journal-button, svg.tw-crypt-button, 
svg.tw-image-close-others-button, svg.tw-crypt-publish-button, 
svg.tw-image-home-button, button.tw-newtiddler-button {
 display: none;
}
@@

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

Den torsdag den 24. april 2014 17.56.13 UTC+2 skrev Ton Gerner:
>
> Hi PJO,
>
> I just finished upgrading my 'TW5 read-only demo' [1] and/or [2].
>
> It is a simplified version without using the ReadOnly theme and the 
> Sidebar is not automatically hidden.
>
> Have fun.
>
> Ton
>
> [1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
> [2] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:25:07 AM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>>
>> I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
>> settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no cursor 
>> change -- and believe me I've looked for it.
>>
>> Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if I'd 
>> missed a step.
>>
>> Thanks
>> PJO
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi PJO
>>> The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 
>>> m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons 
>>> used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, to 
>>> save your changes.
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>>
>>> Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skrev PJO:

 Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly 
 theme causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 

 Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
 disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.

 With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top 
 menu happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.

 The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and options 
 but a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- the minimum 
 to do this and nothing else. 

 Many thanks,
 PJO

>>>

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Ton Gerner]

Hi PJO,

I just finished upgrading my 'TW5 read-only demo' [1] and/or [2].

It is a simplified version without using the ReadOnly theme and the Sidebar 
is not automatically hidden.

Have fun.

Ton

[1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
[2] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/


On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:25:07 AM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>
> I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
> settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no cursor 
> change -- and believe me I've looked for it.
>
> Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if I'd 
> missed a step.
>
> Thanks
> PJO
>
> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> Hi PJO
>> The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 
>> m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons 
>> used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, to 
>> save your changes.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skrev PJO:
>>>
>>> Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly theme 
>>> causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 
>>>
>>> Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
>>> disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.
>>>
>>> With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top menu 
>>> happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.
>>>
>>> The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and options 
>>> but a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- the minimum 
>>> to do this and nothing else. 
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> PJO
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[PJO]

I'm also using Windows 7 64 bit. The button disappears (as does the 
settings/control panel button) and others move. However, there's no cursor 
change -- and believe me I've looked for it.

Will try another computer & browser. My first concern was to know if I'd 
missed a step.

Thanks
PJO

On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:42:43 AM UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi PJO
> The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 
> m. The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons 
> used to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, to 
> save your changes.
>
> Birthe
>
> Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skrev PJO:
>>
>> Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly theme 
>> causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 
>>
>> Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
>> disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.
>>
>> With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top menu 
>> happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.
>>
>> The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and options 
>> but a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- the minimum 
>> to do this and nothing else. 
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> PJO
>>
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Birthe C]

Hi PJO
The ReadOnly demo works for me using Firefox 28 and Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m. 
The buttons get invisible, but moving the cursor to where the buttons used 
to be, changes the cursor, so you know you are at the right place, to save 
your changes.

Birthe

Den mandag den 21. april 2014 21.21.37 UTC+2 skrev PJO:
>
> Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly theme 
> causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 
>
> Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
> disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.
>
> With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top menu 
> happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.
>
> The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and options 
> but a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- the minimum 
> to do this and nothing else. 
>
> Many thanks,
> PJO
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Ton Gerner]

Hi PJO,

For me it works with Windows 7 64-bit and the following browsers (just 
tested with a downloaded copy of my demo):

   - Firefox v28.0
   - Chrome v34.0.1847.116
   - Opera v12.16
   - Internet Explorer v11.0.9600.17041

Sorry, I can't help at the moment.

Cheers,

Ton

On Monday, April 21, 2014 9:21:37 PM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>
> Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly theme 
> causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 
>
> Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
> disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.
>
> With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top menu 
> happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.
>
> The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and options 
> but a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- the minimum 
> to do this and nothing else. 
>
> Many thanks,
> PJO
>
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 8:00:07 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi PJO,
>>
>> 1) My readonly demo at [1] was made with TW5.0.8-beta.
>> I don't know (yet) if it works with v5.0.10-beta; I am busy upgrading my 
>> guides to v5.0.10-beta.
>> It will take some time since there are a lot of changes in v5.0.10-beta 
>> to cope with.
>>
>> 2) ONLY just for v5.0.8-beta:
>> As far as I can see what you describe is correct.
>> Upon switching the ReadOnly theme, BOTH buttons in the top menu (Save 
>> left and Toggle sidebar right) ought to be visible!
>> You can download my demo at [1] and check if that works as described.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> [1] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> On Monday, April 21, 2014 4:28:33 PM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>>>
>>> Ton, anyone,
>>>
>>> I have tried to follow the directions at 
>>> http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com to make a TW5 wiki readonly without 
>>> success. Can you tell me what I have done wrong? (I have tried with 5.08 
>>> and 5.10).
>>>
>>> I've taken the wiki I wish to make readonly and done the following
>>>
>>> Added, via drag and drop, 
>>>
>>> 1. The Readonly theme ; saved and reloaded, then
>>> 2. The following tiddlers
>>>
>>> $:/_images/left-arrow-button 
>>> $:/_images/right-arrow-button 
>>> $:/_images/save-button 
>>> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu 
>>> $:/_topmenu 
>>> $:/_top-save-button 
>>> $:/_top-toggle-width-sidebar-button 
>>>
>>> I have edited the topmenu tiddler to contain
>>>
>>> 
>>> {{$:/_top-save-button}}{{$:/_top-toggle-width-sidebar-button}}
>>> 
>>>
>>> The top menu appears as I expect with Save (left) and right arrow icons 
>>> at the left and right respectively. When the Readonly theme is selected the 
>>> Save icon disappears and it is impossible to save the wiki. It hasn't just 
>>> become invisible, it's not selectable (in any case, for what it's worth I'd 
>>> like to selectable even with the right hand menu visible).
>>>
>>> Is there something else I should have added or done?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> PJO
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:57:34 PM UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:

 Hi NODEGAMRA,

 Making TW5 readonly can be done with the Readonly theme available at [1]
 Drag the Readonly theme (Sidebar, tab Tools) to your TW, save and 
 reload.
 Now you can select the Readonly theme and you see most buttons have 
 vanished.

 Unfortunately to persist in this state you have to save it and that is 
 not possible anymore!

 So there must be a - hidden - save possibility.
 One way to go is based on my guide for toolbar buttons [2]. It also 
 hides the sidebar.

 The top menu of this demo [3] contains a 'Save' (left) and a 'Toggle 
 sidebar with fluid width' (right) button.

 At the moment they are white and black when hovering over the buttons.

 If the Readonly theme is chosen, the 'Save button' disappears. 
 Therefore a 'Top save' button has been defined that will NOT disappear.

 When the 'Toggle sidebar with fluid width' button is clicked, the 
 Sidebar is hidden and the tiddler width is 100% of the browser screen 
 width.
 The colors of the buttons have changed to the background color, also 
 while hovering over the buttons.

 So, you know the buttons are there (and can be used) but are hidden.

 Before you publish your FAQ:

 # Choose the Readonly theme.
 # Set all tabs the way you want it, e.g. switch to the 'Open' tab in 
 the Sidebar.
 # Click the 'Toggle sidebar with fluid width' button to hide the 
 Sidebar and maximize the tiddler width.
 # Click the - hidden - 'Save' button in the top menu.

 And there you are.

 Cheers,

 Ton

 [1] http://tiddlywiki.com/

 [2] http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/

 [3] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/



 On Monday, December 30, 2013 6:02:12 PM UTC+1, NODEGAMRA wrote:
>
> Hi to all...
> I am loving TW5, I am a new user and I would l

[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[PJO]

Same thing when I download the demo at [1]. selecting the ReadOnly theme 
causes the left save button to disappear. I'm using Firefox 28.0. 

Same result when Firefox is restarted in safe mode with all plugins 
disabled. Same result with Chrome 34.0.1847.116 m.

With the ReadOnly theme the highlighting of the "?" icon on the top menu 
happens when the cursor is an icon to the right of it.

The guide contains some useful information on other buttons and options but 
a Quickstart ReadOnly step-by-step HowTo would be good -- the minimum to do 
this and nothing else. 

Many thanks,
PJO

On Monday, April 21, 2014 8:00:07 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi PJO,
>
> 1) My readonly demo at [1] was made with TW5.0.8-beta.
> I don't know (yet) if it works with v5.0.10-beta; I am busy upgrading my 
> guides to v5.0.10-beta.
> It will take some time since there are a lot of changes in v5.0.10-beta to 
> cope with.
>
> 2) ONLY just for v5.0.8-beta:
> As far as I can see what you describe is correct.
> Upon switching the ReadOnly theme, BOTH buttons in the top menu (Save left 
> and Toggle sidebar right) ought to be visible!
> You can download my demo at [1] and check if that works as described.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
> [1] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 4:28:33 PM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>>
>> Ton, anyone,
>>
>> I have tried to follow the directions at 
>> http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com to make a TW5 wiki readonly without 
>> success. Can you tell me what I have done wrong? (I have tried with 5.08 
>> and 5.10).
>>
>> I've taken the wiki I wish to make readonly and done the following
>>
>> Added, via drag and drop, 
>>
>> 1. The Readonly theme ; saved and reloaded, then
>> 2. The following tiddlers
>>
>> $:/_images/left-arrow-button 
>> $:/_images/right-arrow-button 
>> $:/_images/save-button 
>> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu 
>> $:/_topmenu 
>> $:/_top-save-button 
>> $:/_top-toggle-width-sidebar-button 
>>
>> I have edited the topmenu tiddler to contain
>>
>> 
>> {{$:/_top-save-button}}{{$:/_top-toggle-width-sidebar-button}}
>> 
>>
>> The top menu appears as I expect with Save (left) and right arrow icons 
>> at the left and right respectively. When the Readonly theme is selected the 
>> Save icon disappears and it is impossible to save the wiki. It hasn't just 
>> become invisible, it's not selectable (in any case, for what it's worth I'd 
>> like to selectable even with the right hand menu visible).
>>
>> Is there something else I should have added or done?
>>
>> Thanks
>> PJO
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:57:34 PM UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi NODEGAMRA,
>>>
>>> Making TW5 readonly can be done with the Readonly theme available at [1]
>>> Drag the Readonly theme (Sidebar, tab Tools) to your TW, save and reload.
>>> Now you can select the Readonly theme and you see most buttons have 
>>> vanished.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately to persist in this state you have to save it and that is 
>>> not possible anymore!
>>>
>>> So there must be a - hidden - save possibility.
>>> One way to go is based on my guide for toolbar buttons [2]. It also 
>>> hides the sidebar.
>>>
>>> The top menu of this demo [3] contains a 'Save' (left) and a 'Toggle 
>>> sidebar with fluid width' (right) button.
>>>
>>> At the moment they are white and black when hovering over the buttons.
>>>
>>> If the Readonly theme is chosen, the 'Save button' disappears. Therefore 
>>> a 'Top save' button has been defined that will NOT disappear.
>>>
>>> When the 'Toggle sidebar with fluid width' button is clicked, the 
>>> Sidebar is hidden and the tiddler width is 100% of the browser screen width.
>>> The colors of the buttons have changed to the background color, also 
>>> while hovering over the buttons.
>>>
>>> So, you know the buttons are there (and can be used) but are hidden.
>>>
>>> Before you publish your FAQ:
>>>
>>> # Choose the Readonly theme.
>>> # Set all tabs the way you want it, e.g. switch to the 'Open' tab in the 
>>> Sidebar.
>>> # Click the 'Toggle sidebar with fluid width' button to hide the Sidebar 
>>> and maximize the tiddler width.
>>> # Click the - hidden - 'Save' button in the top menu.
>>>
>>> And there you are.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>> [1] http://tiddlywiki.com/
>>>
>>> [2] http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> [3] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 30, 2013 6:02:12 PM UTC+1, NODEGAMRA wrote:

 Hi to all...
 I am loving TW5, I am a new user and I would like for some one to point 
 me in the right direction.

 I am a board gamer and I am putting together a FAQs for some of the 
 games I play.
 Mi goal is to be able to distribute the FAQs to the gaming community as 
 a read only file, for offline viewing. 
 Nothing fancy the default snow white theme works great, I want to keep 
 it simple and lightweight.

 I have my first FAQ ready to go, but...
 I would like to hide or remove access to the inner wor

[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Ton Gerner]

Hi PJO,

1) My readonly demo at [1] was made with TW5.0.8-beta.
I don't know (yet) if it works with v5.0.10-beta; I am busy upgrading my 
guides to v5.0.10-beta.
It will take some time since there are a lot of changes in v5.0.10-beta to 
cope with.

2) ONLY just for v5.0.8-beta:
As far as I can see what you describe is correct.
Upon switching the ReadOnly theme, BOTH buttons in the top menu (Save left 
and Toggle sidebar right) ought to be visible!
You can download my demo at [1] and check if that works as described.

Cheers,

Ton

[1] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/

On Monday, April 21, 2014 4:28:33 PM UTC+2, PJO wrote:
>
> Ton, anyone,
>
> I have tried to follow the directions at http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.comto 
> make a TW5 wiki readonly without success. Can you tell me what I have 
> done wrong? (I have tried with 5.08 and 5.10).
>
> I've taken the wiki I wish to make readonly and done the following
>
> Added, via drag and drop, 
>
> 1. The Readonly theme ; saved and reloaded, then
> 2. The following tiddlers
>
> $:/_images/left-arrow-button 
> $:/_images/right-arrow-button 
> $:/_images/save-button 
> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu 
> $:/_topmenu 
> $:/_top-save-button 
> $:/_top-toggle-width-sidebar-button 
>
> I have edited the topmenu tiddler to contain
>
> 
> {{$:/_top-save-button}}{{$:/_top-toggle-width-sidebar-button}}
> 
>
> The top menu appears as I expect with Save (left) and right arrow icons at 
> the left and right respectively. When the Readonly theme is selected the 
> Save icon disappears and it is impossible to save the wiki. It hasn't just 
> become invisible, it's not selectable (in any case, for what it's worth I'd 
> like to selectable even with the right hand menu visible).
>
> Is there something else I should have added or done?
>
> Thanks
> PJO
>
> On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:57:34 PM UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi NODEGAMRA,
>>
>> Making TW5 readonly can be done with the Readonly theme available at [1]
>> Drag the Readonly theme (Sidebar, tab Tools) to your TW, save and reload.
>> Now you can select the Readonly theme and you see most buttons have 
>> vanished.
>>
>> Unfortunately to persist in this state you have to save it and that is 
>> not possible anymore!
>>
>> So there must be a - hidden - save possibility.
>> One way to go is based on my guide for toolbar buttons [2]. It also hides 
>> the sidebar.
>>
>> The top menu of this demo [3] contains a 'Save' (left) and a 'Toggle 
>> sidebar with fluid width' (right) button.
>>
>> At the moment they are white and black when hovering over the buttons.
>>
>> If the Readonly theme is chosen, the 'Save button' disappears. Therefore 
>> a 'Top save' button has been defined that will NOT disappear.
>>
>> When the 'Toggle sidebar with fluid width' button is clicked, the Sidebar 
>> is hidden and the tiddler width is 100% of the browser screen width.
>> The colors of the buttons have changed to the background color, also 
>> while hovering over the buttons.
>>
>> So, you know the buttons are there (and can be used) but are hidden.
>>
>> Before you publish your FAQ:
>>
>> # Choose the Readonly theme.
>> # Set all tabs the way you want it, e.g. switch to the 'Open' tab in the 
>> Sidebar.
>> # Click the 'Toggle sidebar with fluid width' button to hide the Sidebar 
>> and maximize the tiddler width.
>> # Click the - hidden - 'Save' button in the top menu.
>>
>> And there you are.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> [1] http://tiddlywiki.com/
>>
>> [2] http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> [3] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 30, 2013 6:02:12 PM UTC+1, NODEGAMRA wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi to all...
>>> I am loving TW5, I am a new user and I would like for some one to point 
>>> me in the right direction.
>>>
>>> I am a board gamer and I am putting together a FAQs for some of the 
>>> games I play.
>>> Mi goal is to be able to distribute the FAQs to the gaming community as 
>>> a read only file, for offline viewing. 
>>> Nothing fancy the default snow white theme works great, I want to keep 
>>> it simple and lightweight.
>>>
>>> I have my first FAQ ready to go, but...
>>> I would like to hide or remove access to the inner workings of TW5.
>>> I would also like to hide of remove the sidebar, toolbar and the save, 
>>> edit and control panel functions.
>>>
>>> Any help, info or links you guys can provide would be greatly 
>>> appreciated.
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[PJO]

Ton, anyone,

I have tried to follow the directions at http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.comto 
make a TW5 wiki readonly without success. Can you tell me what I have 
done wrong? (I have tried with 5.08 and 5.10).

I've taken the wiki I wish to make readonly and done the following

Added, via drag and drop, 

1. The Readonly theme ; saved and reloaded, then
2. The following tiddlers

$:/_images/left-arrow-button 
$:/_images/right-arrow-button 
$:/_images/save-button 
$:/_stylesheet/topmenu 
$:/_topmenu 
$:/_top-save-button 
$:/_top-toggle-width-sidebar-button 

I have edited the topmenu tiddler to contain


{{$:/_top-save-button}}{{$:/_top-toggle-width-sidebar-button}}


The top menu appears as I expect with Save (left) and right arrow icons at 
the left and right respectively. When the Readonly theme is selected the 
Save icon disappears and it is impossible to save the wiki. It hasn't just 
become invisible, it's not selectable (in any case, for what it's worth I'd 
like to selectable even with the right hand menu visible).

Is there something else I should have added or done?

Thanks
PJO

On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:57:34 PM UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi NODEGAMRA,
>
> Making TW5 readonly can be done with the Readonly theme available at [1]
> Drag the Readonly theme (Sidebar, tab Tools) to your TW, save and reload.
> Now you can select the Readonly theme and you see most buttons have 
> vanished.
>
> Unfortunately to persist in this state you have to save it and that is not 
> possible anymore!
>
> So there must be a - hidden - save possibility.
> One way to go is based on my guide for toolbar buttons [2]. It also hides 
> the sidebar.
>
> The top menu of this demo [3] contains a 'Save' (left) and a 'Toggle 
> sidebar with fluid width' (right) button.
>
> At the moment they are white and black when hovering over the buttons.
>
> If the Readonly theme is chosen, the 'Save button' disappears. Therefore a 
> 'Top save' button has been defined that will NOT disappear.
>
> When the 'Toggle sidebar with fluid width' button is clicked, the Sidebar 
> is hidden and the tiddler width is 100% of the browser screen width.
> The colors of the buttons have changed to the background color, also while 
> hovering over the buttons.
>
> So, you know the buttons are there (and can be used) but are hidden.
>
> Before you publish your FAQ:
>
> # Choose the Readonly theme.
> # Set all tabs the way you want it, e.g. switch to the 'Open' tab in the 
> Sidebar.
> # Click the 'Toggle sidebar with fluid width' button to hide the Sidebar 
> and maximize the tiddler width.
> # Click the - hidden - 'Save' button in the top menu.
>
> And there you are.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
> [1] http://tiddlywiki.com/
>
> [2] http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> [3] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 6:02:12 PM UTC+1, NODEGAMRA wrote:
>>
>> Hi to all...
>> I am loving TW5, I am a new user and I would like for some one to point 
>> me in the right direction.
>>
>> I am a board gamer and I am putting together a FAQs for some of the games 
>> I play.
>> Mi goal is to be able to distribute the FAQs to the gaming community as a 
>> read only file, for offline viewing. 
>> Nothing fancy the default snow white theme works great, I want to keep it 
>> simple and lightweight.
>>
>> I have my first FAQ ready to go, but...
>> I would like to hide or remove access to the inner workings of TW5.
>> I would also like to hide of remove the sidebar, toolbar and the save, 
>> edit and control panel functions.
>>
>> Any help, info or links you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thank you.
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[Ton Gerner]

Hi NODEGAMRA,

Making TW5 readonly can be done with the Readonly theme available at [1]
Drag the Readonly theme (Sidebar, tab Tools) to your TW, save and reload.
Now you can select the Readonly theme and you see most buttons have 
vanished.

Unfortunately to persist in this state you have to save it and that is not 
possible anymore!

So there must be a - hidden - save possibility.
One way to go is based on my guide for toolbar buttons [2]. It also hides 
the sidebar.

The top menu of this demo [3] contains a 'Save' (left) and a 'Toggle 
sidebar with fluid width' (right) button.

At the moment they are white and black when hovering over the buttons.

If the Readonly theme is chosen, the 'Save button' disappears. Therefore a 
'Top save' button has been defined that will NOT disappear.

When the 'Toggle sidebar with fluid width' button is clicked, the Sidebar 
is hidden and the tiddler width is 100% of the browser screen width.
The colors of the buttons have changed to the background color, also while 
hovering over the buttons.

So, you know the buttons are there (and can be used) but are hidden.

Before you publish your FAQ:

# Choose the Readonly theme.
# Set all tabs the way you want it, e.g. switch to the 'Open' tab in the 
Sidebar.
# Click the 'Toggle sidebar with fluid width' button to hide the Sidebar 
and maximize the tiddler width.
# Click the - hidden - 'Save' button in the top menu.

And there you are.

Cheers,

Ton

[1] http://tiddlywiki.com/

[2] http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/

[3] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/



On Monday, December 30, 2013 6:02:12 PM UTC+1, NODEGAMRA wrote:
>
> Hi to all...
> I am loving TW5, I am a new user and I would like for some one to point me 
> in the right direction.
>
> I am a board gamer and I am putting together a FAQs for some of the games 
> I play.
> Mi goal is to be able to distribute the FAQs to the gaming community as a 
> read only file, for offline viewing. 
> Nothing fancy the default snow white theme works great, I want to keep it 
> simple and lightweight.
>
> I have my first FAQ ready to go, but...
> I would like to hide or remove access to the inner workings of TW5.
> I would also like to hide of remove the sidebar, toolbar and the save, 
> edit and control panel functions.
>
> Any help, info or links you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated.
> Thank you.
>
>

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