Re: [tw] Re: keyboard shortcut and mouse gestures?
Sounds good. I can live with the gesture being optional. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Jed Carty wrote: > I agree with Danielo about not liking double clicking to open the editor. > Would it be possible to have a setting/plugin that can enable or disable > it? It shouldn't be too hard to add the event listener to the text area of > a tiddler that will open the editor. You may have to reload the wiki after > toggling it, but that isn't a problem unless you are going to be changing > it a lot. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/aZ7tIGnFia4/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: keyboard shortcut and mouse gestures?
I agree with Danielo about not liking double clicking to open the editor. Would it be possible to have a setting/plugin that can enable or disable it? It shouldn't be too hard to add the event listener to the text area of a tiddler that will open the editor. You may have to reload the wiki after toggling it, but that isn't a problem unless you are going to be changing it a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: keyboard shortcut and mouse gestures?
I really hate the double click to edit. It's unnatural, no matter how used are some of you to it. IMO it would be better to have a custom right click menu and add the edit thing there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: keyboard shortcut and mouse gestures?
I think JIRA from Atlasssian uses the similar approach, with a (better) single-click. You click anywhere of that area and you start editing. Thanks, Beinan On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Beinan Li wrote: > Try this with TW2 > > http://tiddlywiki.org > > > Thanks, > Beinan > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Beinan Li wrote: > >> Thanks again for the details, Patrick. >> >> My usecase: >> >> When I see an existing tiddler body text, I don't switch away my eyesight >> to look for a button, no matter how close it might be at that moment. I >> always just click on the body text itself, which is usually much more >> likely just under the mouse, or even it's not, it'd still be a lot bigger >> to aim at than a button. >> >> One has to agree that the text area is usually much bigger than a button >> and intuitively, it IS the thing you'd like to edit, right? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Beinan >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Patrick Detzner < >> patrick.detz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I don't know what your usecase is but you could edit the ViewTemplate to >>> make the tiddler title or the tiddler toolbar a button, and then make that >>> button do the same thing as the current edit button. It would achieve what >>> you're looking for, except on a single click. >>> >>> There is some mouse gesture support. TW5 does have some drag and drop >>> functionality, and it should be possible to make it do anything that any >>> Javascript-based webpage does. I don't know if there's been much work in >>> this area, but I would take a look at the dropzone widget to get an idea of >>> how mouse gestures could be handled in TW5. >>> >>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:24:56 PM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: Oh, that's sad because the double-click thing was so handy it became my second nature. Hardly any aiming at all, so that's a classic user-friendly design according to Fitts's Law. So there is no mouse gesture support at all in TW5 I guess? On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-5, Patrick Detzner wrote: > > I don't know about the double click thing, but one thing you could do > is add that button to the list of the buttons that appear on every > tiddler. > Then it would be closer at hand. > > I like the potential for keyboard shortcuts. I'll have to play around > with that but give me a week or two and I may have a way for you to toggle > the sidebar with a keyboard shortcut. > > On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:37:49 AM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: >> >> I'd also like to know if there is a fast way to fold the sidebar >> other than by clicking that tiny little <<< at the corner. >> >> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:36:09 AM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: >>> >>> I used to be able to double click a tiddleler's editing area to >>> start editing it with TW classic. >>> But with TW5, this doesn't work anymore. >>> >>> Is there a keyboard shortcut or mouse gesture for this? >>> I searched in TW.com and found there are only two keyboard shortcuts >>> there. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/aZ7tIGnFia4/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: keyboard shortcut and mouse gestures?
Try this with TW2 http://tiddlywiki.org Thanks, Beinan On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Beinan Li wrote: > Thanks again for the details, Patrick. > > My usecase: > > When I see an existing tiddler body text, I don't switch away my eyesight > to look for a button, no matter how close it might be at that moment. I > always just click on the body text itself, which is usually much more > likely just under the mouse, or even it's not, it'd still be a lot bigger > to aim at than a button. > > One has to agree that the text area is usually much bigger than a button > and intuitively, it IS the thing you'd like to edit, right? > > > > Thanks, > Beinan > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Patrick Detzner > wrote: > >> I don't know what your usecase is but you could edit the ViewTemplate to >> make the tiddler title or the tiddler toolbar a button, and then make that >> button do the same thing as the current edit button. It would achieve what >> you're looking for, except on a single click. >> >> There is some mouse gesture support. TW5 does have some drag and drop >> functionality, and it should be possible to make it do anything that any >> Javascript-based webpage does. I don't know if there's been much work in >> this area, but I would take a look at the dropzone widget to get an idea of >> how mouse gestures could be handled in TW5. >> >> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:24:56 PM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: >>> >>> Oh, that's sad because the double-click thing was so handy it became my >>> second nature. >>> Hardly any aiming at all, so that's a classic user-friendly design >>> according to Fitts's Law. >>> >>> So there is no mouse gesture support at all in TW5 I guess? >>> >>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-5, Patrick Detzner wrote: I don't know about the double click thing, but one thing you could do is add that button to the list of the buttons that appear on every tiddler. Then it would be closer at hand. I like the potential for keyboard shortcuts. I'll have to play around with that but give me a week or two and I may have a way for you to toggle the sidebar with a keyboard shortcut. On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:37:49 AM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: > > I'd also like to know if there is a fast way to fold the sidebar other > than by clicking that tiny little <<< at the corner. > > On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:36:09 AM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: >> >> I used to be able to double click a tiddleler's editing area to start >> editing it with TW classic. >> But with TW5, this doesn't work anymore. >> >> Is there a keyboard shortcut or mouse gesture for this? >> I searched in TW.com and found there are only two keyboard shortcuts >> there. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/aZ7tIGnFia4/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: keyboard shortcut and mouse gestures?
Thanks again for the details, Patrick. My usecase: When I see an existing tiddler body text, I don't switch away my eyesight to look for a button, no matter how close it might be at that moment. I always just click on the body text itself, which is usually much more likely just under the mouse, or even it's not, it'd still be a lot bigger to aim at than a button. One has to agree that the text area is usually much bigger than a button and intuitively, it IS the thing you'd like to edit, right? Thanks, Beinan On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Patrick Detzner wrote: > I don't know what your usecase is but you could edit the ViewTemplate to > make the tiddler title or the tiddler toolbar a button, and then make that > button do the same thing as the current edit button. It would achieve what > you're looking for, except on a single click. > > There is some mouse gesture support. TW5 does have some drag and drop > functionality, and it should be possible to make it do anything that any > Javascript-based webpage does. I don't know if there's been much work in > this area, but I would take a look at the dropzone widget to get an idea of > how mouse gestures could be handled in TW5. > > On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:24:56 PM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: >> >> Oh, that's sad because the double-click thing was so handy it became my >> second nature. >> Hardly any aiming at all, so that's a classic user-friendly design >> according to Fitts's Law. >> >> So there is no mouse gesture support at all in TW5 I guess? >> >> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-5, Patrick Detzner wrote: >>> >>> I don't know about the double click thing, but one thing you could do is >>> add that button to the list of the buttons that appear on every tiddler. >>> Then it would be closer at hand. >>> >>> I like the potential for keyboard shortcuts. I'll have to play around >>> with that but give me a week or two and I may have a way for you to toggle >>> the sidebar with a keyboard shortcut. >>> >>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:37:49 AM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: I'd also like to know if there is a fast way to fold the sidebar other than by clicking that tiny little <<< at the corner. On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:36:09 AM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: > > I used to be able to double click a tiddleler's editing area to start > editing it with TW classic. > But with TW5, this doesn't work anymore. > > Is there a keyboard shortcut or mouse gesture for this? > I searched in TW.com and found there are only two keyboard shortcuts > there. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/aZ7tIGnFia4/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: keyboard shortcut and mouse gestures?
I don't know what your usecase is but you could edit the ViewTemplate to make the tiddler title or the tiddler toolbar a button, and then make that button do the same thing as the current edit button. It would achieve what you're looking for, except on a single click. There is some mouse gesture support. TW5 does have some drag and drop functionality, and it should be possible to make it do anything that any Javascript-based webpage does. I don't know if there's been much work in this area, but I would take a look at the dropzone widget to get an idea of how mouse gestures could be handled in TW5. On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:24:56 PM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: > > Oh, that's sad because the double-click thing was so handy it became my > second nature. > Hardly any aiming at all, so that's a classic user-friendly design > according to Fitts's Law. > > So there is no mouse gesture support at all in TW5 I guess? > > On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-5, Patrick Detzner wrote: >> >> I don't know about the double click thing, but one thing you could do is >> add that button to the list of the buttons that appear on every tiddler. >> Then it would be closer at hand. >> >> I like the potential for keyboard shortcuts. I'll have to play around >> with that but give me a week or two and I may have a way for you to toggle >> the sidebar with a keyboard shortcut. >> >> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:37:49 AM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: >>> >>> I'd also like to know if there is a fast way to fold the sidebar other >>> than by clicking that tiny little <<< at the corner. >>> >>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:36:09 AM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: I used to be able to double click a tiddleler's editing area to start editing it with TW classic. But with TW5, this doesn't work anymore. Is there a keyboard shortcut or mouse gesture for this? I searched in TW.com and found there are only two keyboard shortcuts there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: keyboard shortcut and mouse gestures?
Oh, that's sad because the double-click thing was so handy it became my second nature. Hardly any aiming at all, so that's a classic user-friendly design according to Fitts's Law. So there is no mouse gesture support at all in TW5 I guess? On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-5, Patrick Detzner wrote: > > I don't know about the double click thing, but one thing you could do is > add that button to the list of the buttons that appear on every tiddler. > Then it would be closer at hand. > > I like the potential for keyboard shortcuts. I'll have to play around with > that but give me a week or two and I may have a way for you to toggle the > sidebar with a keyboard shortcut. > > On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:37:49 AM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: >> >> I'd also like to know if there is a fast way to fold the sidebar other >> than by clicking that tiny little <<< at the corner. >> >> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:36:09 AM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: >>> >>> I used to be able to double click a tiddleler's editing area to start >>> editing it with TW classic. >>> But with TW5, this doesn't work anymore. >>> >>> Is there a keyboard shortcut or mouse gesture for this? >>> I searched in TW.com and found there are only two keyboard shortcuts >>> there. >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: keyboard shortcut and mouse gestures?
I don't know about the double click thing, but one thing you could do is add that button to the list of the buttons that appear on every tiddler. Then it would be closer at hand. I like the potential for keyboard shortcuts. I'll have to play around with that but give me a week or two and I may have a way for you to toggle the sidebar with a keyboard shortcut. On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:37:49 AM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: > > I'd also like to know if there is a fast way to fold the sidebar other > than by clicking that tiny little <<< at the corner. > > On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:36:09 AM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: >> >> I used to be able to double click a tiddleler's editing area to start >> editing it with TW classic. >> But with TW5, this doesn't work anymore. >> >> Is there a keyboard shortcut or mouse gesture for this? >> I searched in TW.com and found there are only two keyboard shortcuts >> there. >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: keyboard shortcut and mouse gestures?
I'd also like to know if there is a fast way to fold the sidebar other than by clicking that tiny little <<< at the corner. On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:36:09 AM UTC-5, Kakyo wrote: > > I used to be able to double click a tiddleler's editing area to start > editing it with TW classic. > But with TW5, this doesn't work anymore. > > Is there a keyboard shortcut or mouse gesture for this? > I searched in TW.com and found there are only two keyboard shortcuts there. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
