Re: [tw] TW5 and its style

2012-04-13 Thread wolfgang
I must say I love it at first sight :-)

It goes straight in the direction which I tried to get at by adapting 
Tryptych tiddlyspace for standalone use:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/241006/Triptych_2.6.4.html

I'm confident TW5 will be even much more versatile than the current, so 
that any disliked style can simply be turned off and should be the least 
reason for concern. Just as today any TW style can be overwritten (though 
without sufficient knowledge of CSS sometimes only painstakingly) - I'm all 
for keeping its style definitions to the most basic for making even easier 
to adapt. The already now added functionality is just amazing.

Congratulations for this prototype, Jeremy!

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Re: [tw] TW5 and its style

2012-04-13 Thread Steve Rutter
RE: Styling
Oh, ok. That makes sense. I guess you are considering targeting mobile
platforms, as well. That's a good idea.

RE: Built-in Editing
Yeah, that is what I was talking about.

RE: Node.js
Let me see if I understand what Node.js does. It's a javascript that still
runs under the browser, but then acts as its own engine to build apps on?
How does that get away from browser constraints? (unless you are talking
about cross compatibilities).

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Re: [tw] TW5 and its style

2012-04-12 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Question about TW5. Is it going to be pushed to the public in its current
style?


No. Intentionally, I've paid little attention to the appearance up until
now, focusing instead on getting the mechanisms right that generate and
refresh HTML. I've done enough styling to let me test it, but no more.
Right now, it's all about the engine, and ensuring that TiddlyWik5i
componentises well for inclusion in other systems (eg TiddlyWeb).

I really don't like it, having that pop-up, scrolling, menu on the side.


The zooming chooser on the left is highly experimental. I did it at this
point to help me understand coding for touch events rather than mouse
events, and to explore performance for the planned interactive features.
Although the current design doesn't function properly, I'm pleased with the
basic idea: making it easy to navigate to any tiddler without having to
scroll the page.

I was hoping TW5 would look similar to the current TW, but be much better
on the back side and have that built-in editing present. Is there any way
to get that?


That is still pretty much the plan, in particular the improved internals.

I'm using Twitter Bootstrap for styling at the moment, which gives a fairly
basic aesthetic of its own. I hope to significantly declutter the basic
user interface, but keep the basic idea of making it easy to interact with
lots of tiddlers at once.

By 'built in editing' do you mean WYSIWYG editing?

Besides the things you mention, I think some other significant features of
TW5 for end users are:

- elevating bitmap and vector graphics to be first class citizens alongside
textual tiddlers, allowing editing, transclusion and linking in the same way
- JSON tiddlers for data
- being able to run under node.js to break out of the constraints imposed
by the browser. You'll be able to run TW5 as a personal web server
- expanded wikitext and filter syntax

Thanks for your interest,

Best wishes

Jeremy


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[tw] TW5 and its style

2012-04-12 Thread Steve Rutter
Question about TW5. Is it going to be pushed to the public in its current
style? I really don't like it, having that pop-up, scrolling, menu on the
side. I was hoping TW5 would look similar to the current TW, but be much
better on the back side and have that built-in editing present. Is there
any way to get that?

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