Re: [tw] alternatives to IntelliTaggerPlugin ? TagSearch, x-plore: Great plugins, great Support.
Would you mind putting this into the documentation on the tagsearch.tiddlyspot website, that it won't work in edit mode? I feel like it would be a useful bit of info to have there. Cheers! Leo On Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:15:31 PM UTC-7, Tobias Beer wrote: Hello Tobias, I got a question about your suggestion: Is this something I can do individually just by editing the EditTemplate or is it a general propositions for the developpement oft TWC which needs programming in the core? Could this be done by an orderTagsplugin? If this was possible, it would be very usefull new feature. This is *not* something you can just set up as a user, it would have to be a new plugin being written ...the idea behind which I have sketched above as a reminder on what could be implemented if one wanted this. Another question regarding the TagSearchPlugin: Do you think you could make it work in the EditMode or is this problematic for the mechanism it sets Tags with? As I said, I'll need to look into both the core and plugin code and figure out the appropriate hooks to make that work. In other words, this also requires some development yet to be done. Here's a ticket I have created for myself as a reminder for this... https://github.com/tobibeer/TiddlyWikiPlugins/issues/52 Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] alternatives to IntelliTaggerPlugin ? TagSearch, x-plore: Great plugins, great Support.
Hello Tobias, I got a question about your suggestion: Is this something I can do individually just by editing the EditTemplate or is it a general propositions for the developpement oft TWC which needs programming in the core? Could this be done by an orderTagsplugin? If this was possible, it would be very usefull new feature. This is *not* something you can just set up as a user, it would have to be a new plugin being written ...the idea behind which I have sketched above as a reminder on what could be implemented if one wanted this. Another question regarding the TagSearchPlugin: Do you think you could make it work in the EditMode or is this problematic for the mechanism it sets Tags with? As I said, I'll need to look into both the core and plugin code and figure out the appropriate hooks to make that work. In other words, this also requires some development yet to be done. Here's a ticket I have created for myself as a reminder for this... https://github.com/tobibeer/TiddlyWikiPlugins/issues/52 Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] alternatives to IntelliTaggerPlugin ? TagSearch, x-plore: Great plugins, great Support.
Hello Tobias, I got a question about your suggestion: Is this something I can do individually just by editing the EditTemplate or is it a general propositions for the developpement oft TWC which needs programming in the core? Could this be done by an orderTagsplugin? If this was possible, it would be very usefull new feature. Another question regarding the TagSearchPlugin: Do you think you could make it work in the EditMode or is this problematic for the mechanism it sets Tags with? Again thanks for your great support. Jan - Am 08.11.2013 07:52, schrieb Tobias Beer: Hi Jan, Thanks for your great support. Now the two plugins work wonderfull. I can only recommend TagSearch for everybody with a systematic Set of Tags. Great news! ;-) One Small wish is left. It would be wonderfull it was possible to set an order in the pop-up. For your usecase of tbGTD the current order which is produced by the alphabetical order of the is very comfortable. For those who don't want to add a prefix for readability reasons, it would be a nice alternative to be able to order them in the TagSearchConfig. This has been discussed by *PMario *a while ago. Personally, I don't see that as a functionality of *TagSearchPlugin*. Instead, what you want in order for a consistent experience is to _always_ retrieve those tagging tiddlers in your custom order whenever a plugin or the core asks for them, i.e. also in the sidebar. So what is needed is some code that hijacks *store.getTaggedTiddlers()* and returns them based on some sort criteria rather than the current core mechanism for that. I imagine there could be a *order.tagging* field at the tiddler being the tag holding the information of all tiddlers that actually have been ordered, with all new and unordered ones being put at the end. There could be some UI in the EditTemplate. For starters, this field could be all manual and populated with current tags when opening the tag in EditMode. This means, that at the point where you want a custom order, your tag definitely needs to become a tiddler and not just be a tag. For example you the UI could show a number next to each tag... | [X]TaggingOrder(Enable/Disable) [1]Foo [2]Bar [3]Baz | Changing the number for *Bar* from 2 to 1 would resort the list and save the *order.tagging *field as follows... | [[Bar]][[Foo]][[Baz]] | Saving changes to this field could be generally ignored so long as you have not modified it yet, i.e. you don't care about defining a custom order. So, hitting the enable / disable button would not only toggle a panel showing the numbering but essentially remove the *order.tagging* field unless you specifically want it. Anyhow, this code is out of scope for *TagSearchPlugin *and should be something for a new plugin perhaps called *TagOrderPlugin*. Extending this functionality to tags via some *order.tags*field (and not only *order.**tagging*) would also remedy the fact that, due to indexing purposes, tags in TiddlySpace are always stored alphabetically, which sometimes really is not what you want / need... and actually broke some of the now outdated behaviour of *ColoredLinksPlugin *(being replaced by *PaintrPlugin*). Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] alternatives to IntelliTaggerPlugin ? TagSearch, x-plore: Great plugins, great Support.
Hi Tobi, Thanks again, I think I will need some Time to digest this. So far I dont know how to create a field and how to edit it... I will have to learn this first. Because I am quite consumed by my work this may take a week... Jan Am 08.11.2013 07:52, schrieb Tobias Beer: Hi Jan, Thanks for your great support. Now the two plugins work wonderfull. I can only recommend TagSearch for everybody with a systematic Set of Tags. Great news! ;-) One Small wish is left. It would be wonderfull it was possible to set an order in the pop-up. For your usecase of tbGTD the current order which is produced by the alphabetical order of the is very comfortable. For those who don't want to add a prefix for readability reasons, it would be a nice alternative to be able to order them in the TagSearchConfig. This has been discussed by *PMario *a while ago. Personally, I don't see that as a functionality of *TagSearchPlugin*. Instead, what you want in order for a consistent experience is to _always_ retrieve those tagging tiddlers in your custom order whenever a plugin or the core asks for them, i.e. also in the sidebar. So what is needed is some code that hijacks *store.getTaggedTiddlers()* and returns them based on some sort criteria rather than the current core mechanism for that. I imagine there could be a *order.tagging* field at the tiddler being the tag holding the information of all tiddlers that actually have been ordered, with all new and unordered ones being put at the end. There could be some UI in the EditTemplate. For starters, this field could be all manual and populated with current tags when opening the tag in EditMode. This means, that at the point where you want a custom order, your tag definitely needs to become a tiddler and not just be a tag. For example you the UI could show a number next to each tag... | [X]TaggingOrder(Enable/Disable) [1]Foo [2]Bar [3]Baz | Changing the number for *Bar* from 2 to 1 would resort the list and save the *order.tagging *field as follows... | [[Bar]][[Foo]][[Baz]] | Saving changes to this field could be generally ignored so long as you have not modified it yet, i.e. you don't care about defining a custom order. So, hitting the enable / disable button would not only toggle a panel showing the numbering but essentially remove the *order.tagging* field unless you specifically want it. Anyhow, this code is out of scope for *TagSearchPlugin *and should be something for a new plugin perhaps called *TagOrderPlugin*. Extending this functionality to tags via some *order.tags*field (and not only *order.**tagging*) would also remedy the fact that, due to indexing purposes, tags in TiddlySpace are always stored alphabetically, which sometimes really is not what you want / need... and actually broke some of the now outdated behaviour of *ColoredLinksPlugin *(being replaced by *PaintrPlugin*). Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] alternatives to IntelliTaggerPlugin ? TagSearch, x-plore: Great plugins, great Support.
Hello Tobi. Thanks for your great support. Now the two plugins work wonderfull. I can only recommend TagSearch for everybody with a systematic Set of Tags. One Small wish is left. It would be wonderfull it was possible to set an order in the pop-up. For your usecase of tbGTD the current order which is produced by the alphabetical order of the is very comfortable. For those who don't want to add a prefix for readability reasons, it would be a nice alternative to be able to order them in the TagSearchConfig. Again Many thanks Jan Am 07.11.2013 14:09, schrieb Tobias Beer: I would be delighted if I was able to show your great Tagging-Addon in the EditMode. This would have two big advantages. - I would prefer to have a slim toolbar in the ViewMode. - In the EditMode users are more aware of the relevance of tags. As I would like to share the collection I am doing with other users, I would prefer if only those who knew what tags do touch them. I see, use tagging but only have it visible as needed. the xplore-Tagging furnishes information which is especially valuable while I am editing ( tiddlers linking and tagging to the tiddler), so I would like to have the button to display it there. Shall I post a feature request for these whishes? I see, this makes sense. Whil I just added an issue here... https://github.com/tobibeer/TiddlyWikiPlugins/issues/68 ...it turns out you were not using the latest version of x-plore as can be found at... http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#x-plore So, it looks like that version does work properly in EditMode. I don't know whether TagSearch really works in my TW- The Span called Typ you see on the left of the toolbar is still produces by the the x-tagger-plugin, the button for TagSearch at the moment is placed on the right of the Toolbar. I see, mhhh. I have no idea why the *tagSearch* toolbar command fails to find the handler. Perhaps you have some legacy CoreTweaks or such installed that prevents the *tagSearch* toolbar command from working properly? I wanted to change to TagSearch because of the better possibilities of configuration and because of the sticky behaviour which would be very practical when meditating about a set of tags. Sure. As a workaround, if I add this in the toolbar section in the *ViewTemplate* of your *SmartTheme* it works fine... span macro=tagsearch source:'TagSearchConfig##Tags' exclude:'' label:'tagsā¾' tooltip:'Set tags by category' nomore toolbar/span I have already tried to implement the Tag-Dropdown-Menu of Delicious Tagging but it would not work-That ist to say it produced a long field of all my tags. I thought it needs prefixes to function correctly. Actually, you don't need prefixes. All you should have to do is to point to the tag category section such as *TagSearchConfig##Tags* using something like this in a *zzConfig*... | config.macros.deliciousTagging.catList ='TagSearchConfig##Tags'; | Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] alternatives to IntelliTaggerPlugin ? TagSearch, x-plore: Great plugins, great Support.
Hi Jan, Thanks for your great support. Now the two plugins work wonderfull. I can only recommend TagSearch for everybody with a systematic Set of Tags. Great news! ;-) One Small wish is left. It would be wonderfull it was possible to set an order in the pop-up. For your usecase of tbGTD the current order which is produced by the alphabetical order of the is very comfortable. For those who don't want to add a prefix for readability reasons, it would be a nice alternative to be able to order them in the TagSearchConfig. This has been discussed by *PMario *a while ago. Personally, I don't see that as a functionality of *TagSearchPlugin*. Instead, what you want in order for a consistent experience is to *always* retrieve those tagging tiddlers in your custom order whenever a plugin or the core asks for them, i.e. also in the sidebar. So what is needed is some code that hijacks *store.getTaggedTiddlers()* and returns them based on some sort criteria rather than the current core mechanism for that. I imagine there could be a *order.tagging* field at the tiddler being the tag holding the information of all tiddlers that actually have been ordered, with all new and unordered ones being put at the end. There could be some UI in the EditTemplate. For starters, this field could be all manual and populated with current tags when opening the tag in EditMode. This means, that at the point where you want a custom order, your tag definitely needs to become a tiddler and not just be a tag. For example you the UI could show a number next to each tag... [X] Tagging Order (Enable / Disable) [1] Foo [2] Bar [3] Baz Changing the number for *Bar* from 2 to 1 would resort the list and save the *order.tagging *field as follows... [[Bar]] [[Foo]] [[Baz]] Saving changes to this field could be generally ignored so long as you have not modified it yet, i.e. you don't care about defining a custom order. So, hitting the enable / disable button would not only toggle a panel showing the numbering but essentially remove the *order.tagging* field unless you specifically want it. Anyhow, this code is out of scope for *TagSearchPlugin *and should be something for a new plugin perhaps called *TagOrderPlugin*. Extending this functionality to tags via some *order.tags* field (and not only *order.**tagging*) would also remedy the fact that, due to indexing purposes, tags in TiddlySpace are always stored alphabetically, which sometimes really is not what you want / need... and actually broke some of the now outdated behaviour of *ColoredLinksPlugin *(being replaced by *PaintrPlugin*). Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
