[tw5] Re: [ demo ] Editor for lists (Streams)

[Jeronimo Minino]

 
hmmm I visited the linked Github page but could not understand what to 
download or how to do it.
And as of today, the second link seems to be dead.

Eskha
wrote:
For the checkbox, you also have a plugin in TW5:
https://github.com/tgrosinger/tw5-checklist
https://grosinger.net/tw5-checklist/



On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 8:56:15 PM UTC+9 Eskha wrote:

> Hello TW Tones,
>
> For the checkbox, you also have a plugin in TW5:
> https://github.com/tgrosinger/tw5-checklist
> https://grosinger.net/tw5-checklist/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Eskha
>
> Le mercredi 19 août 2020 à 02:43:30 UTC+2, TW Tones a écrit :
>
>> Saq,
>>
>> Beautiful. Lists really are a fundamental element we use, very nice.
>>
>> A common desire for many is to turn them into actions lists, ie add a 
>> checkbox, in TWC we had the addon that used [_] and [X] when checked and 
>> the text was updated.
>>
>> As you have done with Streams and this example, and the inclusion of 
>> checkboxes/status, we are addressing key user needs rather than technical 
>> issues.
>>
>> Nice Work
>> Tones
>>  
>>
>> On Wednesday, 19 August 2020 02:43:12 UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> I am going through a busy period at the moment and don't really have 
>>> time for discussions, but I wanted to share a demo that may provide 
>>> inspiration for others working on solutions similar to Streams.
>>>
>>> Streams was written specifically for the ability to easily create 
>>> multiple tiddlers with a fast workflow while creating content. However I 
>>> realize that many people use it just for the fast writing experience for 
>>> lists, but do not actually want to create multiple tiddlers. Hopefully some 
>>> of those needs are met by the Editor AutoLists solution that was posted 
>>> recently.
>>>
>>> Here is another take on a better writing experience for lists that 
>>> leverages the advantages of breaking content into tiddlers in TW, but 
>>> doesn't result in multiple tiddlers in the end.
>>>
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/single-tiddler-streams.html
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [ demo ] Editor for lists (Streams)

[Saq Imtiaz]

Hi Victor.

Please keep in mind that this was written and shared to demonstrate an 
alternative approach, rather than something meant to be used. As such the 
workflow isn't fully thought through. You do need to set stream-type to 
single tiddler to enable this on a given tiddler. You could set up a custom 
new tiddler button for "list tiddlers" that sets up the field for you.

Make sure you are aware of the limitations mentioned in the original post.

Be especially careful about the potential for data loss if non-list content 
is included in a tiddler edited in this manner. (Ideally editing such a 
tiddler in the regular manner would be disabled to avoid this).

Cheers,
Saq

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:40:07 AM UTC+2 Victor Dorneanu wrote:

> One more thing to add: Do I always have to add a field "streams-type: 
> singletiddler" in order to edit the tiddler's content?
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 6:22:27 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Saq,
>>
>> Thanks for this variation. Its elegant in many ways. 
>>
>> Some observations to do with as you please. 
>>
>>- In this case you are using the "*" wiki text to target the lines.
>>   - The recent tool to allow new lines to maintain the depth of 
>>   bullets would go nicely with this, ie **something creates the 
>> new 
>>   line prefixed by **
>>   - In some work I am doing with Mario (he is doing the lions share 
>>   of coding), we are looking at introducing new pragmas, custom ones. I 
>> see 
>>   some relationships to this (beware its a "rabbit hole" we are 
>> currently 
>>   mapping), but it is revolutionary. So your input would be welcome, 
>> keeping 
>>   in mind "a lot of water has already gone under the bridge".
>>- If you could ignore and reinstate content that does not start "*" 
>>as an example it would help, but I expect you have thought about that.
>>- Finally when writing such lists one of my most common desires is to 
>>have some as a checklist, or to do item. The ability to indicate it needs 
>>to be done or has being done or cancelled.
>>   - Perhaps all it requires is a version of Eskas link 
>>   https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/drA7IEx2Ng0/m/vddE7Iu_AwAJ, 
>>   as content in the line item
>>   - eg * [ ] Text - it just needs streams to accommodate it. An 
>>   earlier version did not produce a list.
>>   - Perhaps in the todo case the independent tiddler remains, and 
>>   can be annotated?
>>
>> Any way, just food for thought.
>>
>> As a "heavily engaged in tiddlywiki enthusiast", I must say the 
>> opportunities and innovations this year 2020 are extensive and will take 
>> time to propagate into everyday users, but developers such as yourself help 
>> this by maintaining robust integrated solutions. I remain active in the non 
>> plugin area as a super user to always offer that perspective, I hope it 
>> helps.
>>
>> Thank You
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 02:43:12 UTC+10 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I am going through a busy period at the moment and don't really have 
>>> time for discussions, but I wanted to share a demo that may provide 
>>> inspiration for others working on solutions similar to Streams.
>>>
>>> Streams was written specifically for the ability to easily create 
>>> multiple tiddlers with a fast workflow while creating content. However I 
>>> realize that many people use it just for the fast writing experience for 
>>> lists, but do not actually want to create multiple tiddlers. Hopefully some 
>>> of those needs are met by the Editor AutoLists solution that was posted 
>>> recently.
>>>
>>> Here is another take on a better writing experience for lists that 
>>> leverages the advantages of breaking content into tiddlers in TW, but 
>>> doesn't result in multiple tiddlers in the end.
>>>
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/single-tiddler-streams.html
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [ demo ] Editor for lists (Streams)

[Victor Dorneanu]

One more thing to add: Do I always have to add a field "streams-type: 
singletiddler" in order to edit the tiddler's content?

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 6:22:27 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:

> Saq,
>
> Thanks for this variation. Its elegant in many ways. 
>
> Some observations to do with as you please. 
>
>- In this case you are using the "*" wiki text to target the lines.
>   - The recent tool to allow new lines to maintain the depth of 
>   bullets would go nicely with this, ie **something creates the 
> new 
>   line prefixed by **
>   - In some work I am doing with Mario (he is doing the lions share 
>   of coding), we are looking at introducing new pragmas, custom ones. I 
> see 
>   some relationships to this (beware its a "rabbit hole" we are currently 
>   mapping), but it is revolutionary. So your input would be welcome, 
> keeping 
>   in mind "a lot of water has already gone under the bridge".
>- If you could ignore and reinstate content that does not start "*" as 
>an example it would help, but I expect you have thought about that.
>- Finally when writing such lists one of my most common desires is to 
>have some as a checklist, or to do item. The ability to indicate it needs 
>to be done or has being done or cancelled.
>   - Perhaps all it requires is a version of Eskas link 
>   https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/drA7IEx2Ng0/m/vddE7Iu_AwAJ, 
>   as content in the line item
>   - eg * [ ] Text - it just needs streams to accommodate it. An 
>   earlier version did not produce a list.
>   - Perhaps in the todo case the independent tiddler remains, and can 
>   be annotated?
>
> Any way, just food for thought.
>
> As a "heavily engaged in tiddlywiki enthusiast", I must say the 
> opportunities and innovations this year 2020 are extensive and will take 
> time to propagate into everyday users, but developers such as yourself help 
> this by maintaining robust integrated solutions. I remain active in the non 
> plugin area as a super user to always offer that perspective, I hope it 
> helps.
>
> Thank You
> Tones
>
>
> On Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 02:43:12 UTC+10 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am going through a busy period at the moment and don't really have time 
>> for discussions, but I wanted to share a demo that may provide inspiration 
>> for others working on solutions similar to Streams.
>>
>> Streams was written specifically for the ability to easily create 
>> multiple tiddlers with a fast workflow while creating content. However I 
>> realize that many people use it just for the fast writing experience for 
>> lists, but do not actually want to create multiple tiddlers. Hopefully some 
>> of those needs are met by the Editor AutoLists solution that was posted 
>> recently.
>>
>> Here is another take on a better writing experience for lists that 
>> leverages the advantages of breaking content into tiddlers in TW, but 
>> doesn't result in multiple tiddlers in the end.
>>
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/single-tiddler-streams.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [ demo ] Editor for lists (Streams)

[TW Tones]

Saq,

Thanks for this variation. Its elegant in many ways. 

Some observations to do with as you please. 

   - In this case you are using the "*" wiki text to target the lines.
  - The recent tool to allow new lines to maintain the depth of bullets 
  would go nicely with this, ie **something creates the new line 
  prefixed by **
  - In some work I am doing with Mario (he is doing the lions share of 
  coding), we are looking at introducing new pragmas, custom ones. I see 
some 
  relationships to this (beware its a "rabbit hole" we are currently 
  mapping), but it is revolutionary. So your input would be welcome, 
keeping 
  in mind "a lot of water has already gone under the bridge".
   - If you could ignore and reinstate content that does not start "*" as 
   an example it would help, but I expect you have thought about that.
   - Finally when writing such lists one of my most common desires is to 
   have some as a checklist, or to do item. The ability to indicate it needs 
   to be done or has being done or cancelled.
  - Perhaps all it requires is a version of Eskas 
  link https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/drA7IEx2Ng0/m/vddE7Iu_AwAJ, 
  as content in the line item
  - eg * [ ] Text - it just needs streams to accommodate it. An earlier 
  version did not produce a list.
  - Perhaps in the todo case the independent tiddler remains, and can 
  be annotated?
   
Any way, just food for thought.

As a "heavily engaged in tiddlywiki enthusiast", I must say the 
opportunities and innovations this year 2020 are extensive and will take 
time to propagate into everyday users, but developers such as yourself help 
this by maintaining robust integrated solutions. I remain active in the non 
plugin area as a super user to always offer that perspective, I hope it 
helps.

Thank You
Tones


On Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 02:43:12 UTC+10 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am going through a busy period at the moment and don't really have time 
> for discussions, but I wanted to share a demo that may provide inspiration 
> for others working on solutions similar to Streams.
>
> Streams was written specifically for the ability to easily create multiple 
> tiddlers with a fast workflow while creating content. However I realize 
> that many people use it just for the fast writing experience for lists, but 
> do not actually want to create multiple tiddlers. Hopefully some of those 
> needs are met by the Editor AutoLists solution that was posted recently.
>
> Here is another take on a better writing experience for lists that 
> leverages the advantages of breaking content into tiddlers in TW, but 
> doesn't result in multiple tiddlers in the end.
>
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/single-tiddler-streams.html
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>

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[tw5] Re: [ demo ] Editor for lists (Streams)

[Victor Dorneanu]

I think this editor-only version of Streams is pretty awesome! With regards 
to other threads like this one 
 where people discuss 
about Tiddlywiki's Zettelkasten abilities and whether each thought/idea 
should be only one tiddler (with an unique ID), I'm not sure yet if I 
really need timestamp based tiddlers. What I indeed have needed was a easy 
way to edit lists in a tiddler. And this is exactly what I was waiting for 
:) Thanks for your time and efforts!

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 7:18:18 AM UTC+2 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Clutterstack I'm not surprised, I hammered this out very quickly with no 
> regard for error handling or edge cases. I think it illustrates the point 
> well enough, i.e. making use of in built facilities for manipulating 
> tiddlers even when the end goal is not to work with tiddler.
>
> I also think that extending and using the parser is something that is 
> overlooked in TW.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 12:10:20 AM UTC+2, clutterstack wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for sharing this interesting hybrid experience, Saq. 
>>
>> A minor hiccup in my test: I managed to break it by accidentally leaving 
>> an empty bullet ("TypeError: list.children[i].children[0] is undefined").
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> I am going through a busy period at the moment and don't really have 
>>> time for discussions, but I wanted to share a demo that may provide 
>>> inspiration for others working on solutions similar to Streams.
>>>
>>> Streams was written specifically for the ability to easily create 
>>> multiple tiddlers with a fast workflow while creating content. However I 
>>> realize that many people use it just for the fast writing experience for 
>>> lists, but do not actually want to create multiple tiddlers. Hopefully some 
>>> of those needs are met by the Editor AutoLists solution that was posted 
>>> recently.
>>>
>>> Here is another take on a better writing experience for lists that 
>>> leverages the advantages of breaking content into tiddlers in TW, but 
>>> doesn't result in multiple tiddlers in the end.
>>>
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/single-tiddler-streams.html
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [ demo ] Editor for lists (Streams)

[Saq Imtiaz]

@Clutterstack I'm not surprised, I hammered this out very quickly with no 
regard for error handling or edge cases. I think it illustrates the point 
well enough, i.e. making use of in built facilities for manipulating 
tiddlers even when the end goal is not to work with tiddler.

I also think that extending and using the parser is something that is 
overlooked in TW.

Cheers,
Saq

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 12:10:20 AM UTC+2, clutterstack wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing this interesting hybrid experience, Saq. 
>
> A minor hiccup in my test: I managed to break it by accidentally leaving 
> an empty bullet ("TypeError: list.children[i].children[0] is undefined").
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> I am going through a busy period at the moment and don't really have time 
>> for discussions, but I wanted to share a demo that may provide inspiration 
>> for others working on solutions similar to Streams.
>>
>> Streams was written specifically for the ability to easily create 
>> multiple tiddlers with a fast workflow while creating content. However I 
>> realize that many people use it just for the fast writing experience for 
>> lists, but do not actually want to create multiple tiddlers. Hopefully some 
>> of those needs are met by the Editor AutoLists solution that was posted 
>> recently.
>>
>> Here is another take on a better writing experience for lists that 
>> leverages the advantages of breaking content into tiddlers in TW, but 
>> doesn't result in multiple tiddlers in the end.
>>
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/single-tiddler-streams.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [ demo ] Editor for lists (Streams)

[TW Tones]

Thanks Eskha, 

That checklist tool is an old favourite. My question is I suppose how do we 
get something similar you work on actual "Streams" items, however in many 
cases this inside a subtiddler will be enough.

Regards
Tones



On Wednesday, 19 August 2020 21:56:15 UTC+10, Eskha wrote:
>
> Hello TW Tones,
>
> For the checkbox, you also have a plugin in TW5:
> https://github.com/tgrosinger/tw5-checklist
> https://grosinger.net/tw5-checklist/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Eskha
>
> Le mercredi 19 août 2020 à 02:43:30 UTC+2, TW Tones a écrit :
>
>> Saq,
>>
>> Beautiful. Lists really are a fundamental element we use, very nice.
>>
>> A common desire for many is to turn them into actions lists, ie add a 
>> checkbox, in TWC we had the addon that used [_] and [X] when checked and 
>> the text was updated.
>>
>> As you have done with Streams and this example, and the inclusion of 
>> checkboxes/status, we are addressing key user needs rather than technical 
>> issues.
>>
>> Nice Work
>> Tones
>>  
>>
>> On Wednesday, 19 August 2020 02:43:12 UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> I am going through a busy period at the moment and don't really have 
>>> time for discussions, but I wanted to share a demo that may provide 
>>> inspiration for others working on solutions similar to Streams.
>>>
>>> Streams was written specifically for the ability to easily create 
>>> multiple tiddlers with a fast workflow while creating content. However I 
>>> realize that many people use it just for the fast writing experience for 
>>> lists, but do not actually want to create multiple tiddlers. Hopefully some 
>>> of those needs are met by the Editor AutoLists solution that was posted 
>>> recently.
>>>
>>> Here is another take on a better writing experience for lists that 
>>> leverages the advantages of breaking content into tiddlers in TW, but 
>>> doesn't result in multiple tiddlers in the end.
>>>
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/single-tiddler-streams.html
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [ demo ] Editor for lists (Streams)

[clutterstack]

Thanks for sharing this interesting hybrid experience, Saq. 

A minor hiccup in my test: I managed to break it by accidentally leaving an 
empty bullet ("TypeError: list.children[i].children[0] is undefined").

Cheers,
Chris


On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> I am going through a busy period at the moment and don't really have time 
> for discussions, but I wanted to share a demo that may provide inspiration 
> for others working on solutions similar to Streams.
>
> Streams was written specifically for the ability to easily create multiple 
> tiddlers with a fast workflow while creating content. However I realize 
> that many people use it just for the fast writing experience for lists, but 
> do not actually want to create multiple tiddlers. Hopefully some of those 
> needs are met by the Editor AutoLists solution that was posted recently.
>
> Here is another take on a better writing experience for lists that 
> leverages the advantages of breaking content into tiddlers in TW, but 
> doesn't result in multiple tiddlers in the end.
>
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/single-tiddler-streams.html
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>

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[tw5] Re: [ demo ] Editor for lists (Streams)

[Eskha]

Hello TW Tones,

For the checkbox, you also have a plugin in TW5:
https://github.com/tgrosinger/tw5-checklist
https://grosinger.net/tw5-checklist/

Best regards,

Eskha

Le mercredi 19 août 2020 à 02:43:30 UTC+2, TW Tones a écrit :

> Saq,
>
> Beautiful. Lists really are a fundamental element we use, very nice.
>
> A common desire for many is to turn them into actions lists, ie add a 
> checkbox, in TWC we had the addon that used [_] and [X] when checked and 
> the text was updated.
>
> As you have done with Streams and this example, and the inclusion of 
> checkboxes/status, we are addressing key user needs rather than technical 
> issues.
>
> Nice Work
> Tones
>  
>
> On Wednesday, 19 August 2020 02:43:12 UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> I am going through a busy period at the moment and don't really have time 
>> for discussions, but I wanted to share a demo that may provide inspiration 
>> for others working on solutions similar to Streams.
>>
>> Streams was written specifically for the ability to easily create 
>> multiple tiddlers with a fast workflow while creating content. However I 
>> realize that many people use it just for the fast writing experience for 
>> lists, but do not actually want to create multiple tiddlers. Hopefully some 
>> of those needs are met by the Editor AutoLists solution that was posted 
>> recently.
>>
>> Here is another take on a better writing experience for lists that 
>> leverages the advantages of breaking content into tiddlers in TW, but 
>> doesn't result in multiple tiddlers in the end.
>>
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/single-tiddler-streams.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [ demo ] Editor for lists (Streams)

[TW Tones]

Saq,

Beautiful. Lists really are a fundamental element we use, very nice.

A common desire for many is to turn them into actions lists, ie add a 
checkbox, in TWC we had the addon that used [_] and [X] when checked and 
the text was updated.

As you have done with Streams and this example, and the inclusion of 
checkboxes/status, we are addressing key user needs rather than technical 
issues.

Nice Work
Tones
 

On Wednesday, 19 August 2020 02:43:12 UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> I am going through a busy period at the moment and don't really have time 
> for discussions, but I wanted to share a demo that may provide inspiration 
> for others working on solutions similar to Streams.
>
> Streams was written specifically for the ability to easily create multiple 
> tiddlers with a fast workflow while creating content. However I realize 
> that many people use it just for the fast writing experience for lists, but 
> do not actually want to create multiple tiddlers. Hopefully some of those 
> needs are met by the Editor AutoLists solution that was posted recently.
>
> Here is another take on a better writing experience for lists that 
> leverages the advantages of breaking content into tiddlers in TW, but 
> doesn't result in multiple tiddlers in the end.
>
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/single-tiddler-streams.html
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>

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