[tw5] Re: A beautiful post that describes the Joy of Tiddlywiki

[Ste]

Mighty be helpful... 
Twederation https://github.com/inmysocks/TW5-TWederation

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[tw5] Re: A beautiful post that describes the Joy of Tiddlywiki

[Donald Coates]

Thank you!  I had looked into webmentions as a plugin for wordpress at one 
time.  You have hit on something I am very interested in -- activitypub 
based comment system so that 1) you can use a 'universal login system' and 
2) conversations can happen both on the blog page and, in the event of a 
single comment/reply situation, a person can do that within their own 
'feed'.  Webmention doesn't really do either of these and is very limited.  
They talk about conversations but there is no way to really reply.  So if I 
had webmentions and you mentioned my post in your feed, that mention would 
show up but I could not directly answer it in a way that is useful.  You 
may be able to answer but there is no 'nested' view of a back and forth so 
it would be quite difficult to follow the conversation.  I may be wrong the 
documentation is sparse but that is what I came up with looking at 
wordpress implementations.

One idea I had was a pleroma instance and then using an iframe.

As you can see on my blog  I chose to just go 
with Remark42 which allows anonymous logins.  You still have to choose a 
username so I'll see how much spam is generated,  Not that I'm expecting a 
bunch of visitors.  I'll post more in a how to but I spun the Remark42 up 
in a docker container then put the 

[tw5] Re: A beautiful post that describes the Joy of Tiddlywiki

[TW Tones]

Add to commenting Discus and others

Bimlas created a few.

Tones

On Sunday, 13 September 2020 05:23:00 UTC+10, talha131 wrote:
>
> Thank you Donald for sharing it. It's eloquent.
>
> Besides the other links that you and Tones have shared, there is also 
> https://webmention.net/, which can partially replace the established 
> comments system.
>

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[tw5] Re: A beautiful post that describes the Joy of Tiddlywiki

[talha131]

Thank you Donald for sharing it. It's eloquent.

Besides the other links that you and Tones have shared, there is also 
https://webmention.net/, which can partially replace the established 
comments system.

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[tw5] Re: A beautiful post that describes the Joy of Tiddlywiki

[TW Tones]

Donald,

Very interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.

There are two aspects to the wiki tribune, the news and the social. 

I actually own a large set of domain names (sitting in abeyance) for which 
I have an idea that would prosper from a loosely coupled network that could 
replace social media, however its key purpose is to allow connections and 
sharing with the ability to later retract access . Too big to describe 
here, but it would benefit from this technology. Perhaps a key addition is 
a two way encryption in the relationship between every node in the wiki and 
permitting selective publishing. eg; Share my phone number with family.  

The key desire is for everyone to totally own their own data, to update it 
and even retract after the event.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, 12 September 2020 09:52:47 UTC+10, Donald Coates wrote:
>
> It absolutely does.  The bulk of the fediverse uses the ActivityPub 
> protocol 
> 
>  
> which is something that could definitely be implemented in tiddlywiki.  
> Well I shouldn't say definitely because it is above my pay grade atm but 
> I'm learning.
>
> Interesting to note at the bottom of the article you referenced is this 
> sentence: "However, as of November 7, 2019, Wales stated that he had just 
> learnt about ActivityPub  and 
> was looking into it."
>
> On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 7:38:18 PM UTC-4, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> Donald,
>>
>> He writes so well.  Have you looked into the Fediverse 
>>>  at all?  I have been toying with 
>>> friendica and pleroma and I'm going to try misskey soon. 
>>>
>>
>> No but I will, thanks for the references
>>
>> I am a signied up and paid member (This is importiant) of 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WT_Social but it is still in the process 
>> of forming. Not sure if I will stick with it.
>>  
>>
>>> Trying to find a way to get my friends and family away from centralized 
>>> social media platforms.  Though those fediverse platforms have their own 
>>> cons at least you aren't being manipulated by algorithms or data farmed.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, so needed. We need a revolution away from the monolithic 
>> conglomerations. I think tiddlywiki has a role to play here. 
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: A beautiful post that describes the Joy of Tiddlywiki

[Donald Coates]

It absolutely does.  The bulk of the fediverse uses the ActivityPub protocol 

 
which is something that could definitely be implemented in tiddlywiki.  
Well I shouldn't say definitely because it is above my pay grade atm but 
I'm learning.

Interesting to note at the bottom of the article you referenced is this 
sentence: "However, as of November 7, 2019, Wales stated that he had just 
learnt about ActivityPub  and 
was looking into it."

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 7:38:18 PM UTC-4, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Donald,
>
> He writes so well.  Have you looked into the Fediverse 
>>  at all?  I have been toying with friendica 
>> and pleroma and I'm going to try misskey soon. 
>>
>
> No but I will, thanks for the references
>
> I am a signied up and paid member (This is importiant) of 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WT_Social but it is still in the process of 
> forming. Not sure if I will stick with it.
>  
>
>> Trying to find a way to get my friends and family away from centralized 
>> social media platforms.  Though those fediverse platforms have their own 
>> cons at least you aren't being manipulated by algorithms or data farmed.
>>
>
> Oh, so needed. We need a revolution away from the monolithic 
> conglomerations. I think tiddlywiki has a role to play here. 
>
> Regards
> Tony
>

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[tw5] Re: A beautiful post that describes the Joy of Tiddlywiki

[TW Tones]

Donald,

He writes so well.  Have you looked into the Fediverse 
>  at all?  I have been toying with friendica 
> and pleroma and I'm going to try misskey soon. 
>

No but I will, thanks for the references

I am a signied up and paid member (This is importiant) of 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WT_Social but it is still in the process of 
forming. Not sure if I will stick with it.
 

> Trying to find a way to get my friends and family away from centralized 
> social media platforms.  Though those fediverse platforms have their own 
> cons at least you aren't being manipulated by algorithms or data farmed.
>

Oh, so needed. We need a revolution away from the monolithic 
conglomerations. I think tiddlywiki has a role to play here. 

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: A beautiful post that describes the Joy of Tiddlywiki

[Donald Coates]

He writes so well.  Have you looked into the Fediverse 
 at all?  I have been toying with friendica 
and pleroma and I'm going to try misskey soon.  Trying to find a way to get 
my friends and family away from centralized social media platforms.  Though 
those fediverse platforms have their own cons at least you aren't being 
manipulated by algorithms or data farmed.

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 9:50:01 AM UTC-4, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Thanks For Sharing.
>
> Goes along the lines of my thoughts lately of democratising information 
> technology so people can thrive and expand, not be slaves.
>
> Tones
>
> On Friday, 11 September 2020 20:25:29 UTC+10, Donald Coates wrote:
>>
>> This post  by Ross Laird about 
>> his idea concerning web development does a beautiful job of describing so 
>> much of what makes Tiddlywiki so great. It's a nice read for a quiet moment.
>>
>> Just one of many gems:
>>
>> "And we should try, I think, to create online experiences that encourage 
>> us to be in close alignment with who we are and who we wish to be. For me, 
>> this means choosing online tools that are open, friendly, adaptable, and 
>> fun to use."
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: A beautiful post that describes the Joy of Tiddlywiki

[TW Tones]

Thanks For Sharing.

Goes along the lines of my thoughts lately of democratising information 
technology so people can thrive and expand, not be slaves.

Tones

On Friday, 11 September 2020 20:25:29 UTC+10, Donald Coates wrote:
>
> This post  by Ross Laird about 
> his idea concerning web development does a beautiful job of describing so 
> much of what makes Tiddlywiki so great. It's a nice read for a quiet moment.
>
> Just one of many gems:
>
> "And we should try, I think, to create online experiences that encourage 
> us to be in close alignment with who we are and who we wish to be. For me, 
> this means choosing online tools that are open, friendly, adaptable, and 
> fun to use."
>

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