[tw5] Re: Custom export formats: TiddlyWiki available for study

2022-02-16 Thread Charlie Veniot
Thanks for bringing that up, Eric.  I totally forgot about your very nice 
and tidy javascript macro.

For whatever reason, all I could think of is $:/plugins/OokTech/TimerActions 
, which I find heavy for 
simple enabling of bilateral communications (via local storage) between 
TiddlyWiki and a BASIC Anywhere Machine program , or between any two or 
more TiddlyWiki instances (all in the same domain to access the same area 
of local storage.)
On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 6:50:29 PM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:31:27 PM UTC-8 cj.v...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> ...some kind of trigger needs to be setup in TiddlyWiki to check local 
>> storage (a manual trigger would involve a human pressing a button; an 
>> automated trigger would involve some kind of timer in TiddlyWiki to trigger 
>> check of local storage and retrieving values from local storage.)
>>
>
> You can use 
> https://tiddlytools.com/timer.html#TiddlyTools%2FTime%2Faction-timeout.js 
> to set up an automatic periodic trigger to perform actions.
>
> To do this, you would create a tiddler, tagged with 
> `$:/tags/StartupAction/Browser`, containing something like this:
> ```
> \define myActions()
> ... action widgets to check local storage and retrieve values goes here ...
> \end
> <$action-timeout interval="1000" actions=<> />
> ```
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Custom export formats: TiddlyWiki available for study

2022-02-16 Thread Eric Shulman
On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:31:27 PM UTC-8 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> ...some kind of trigger needs to be setup in TiddlyWiki to check local 
> storage (a manual trigger would involve a human pressing a button; an 
> automated trigger would involve some kind of timer in TiddlyWiki to trigger 
> check of local storage and retrieving values from local storage.)
>

You can use 
https://tiddlytools.com/timer.html#TiddlyTools%2FTime%2Faction-timeout.js 
to set up an automatic periodic trigger to perform actions.

To do this, you would create a tiddler, tagged with 
`$:/tags/StartupAction/Browser`, containing something like this:
```
\define myActions()
... action widgets to check local storage and retrieve values goes here ...
\end
<$action-timeout interval="1000" actions=<> />
```

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Re: Custom export formats: TiddlyWiki available for study

2022-02-16 Thread Charlie Veniot
Once a TiddlyWiki fires up a BASIC program, that TiddlyWiki can't directly 
feed anything to the BASIC program.

The only time a TiddlyWiki can "feed" anything to the BASIC program 
directly is upon dynamically building the HTML (BASIC program, javascript 
to interpret the program, and maybe some transcluded goodies that get 
wikified upon dynamically building that HTML) just before sending all of 
that to an iframe.

Anything that changes that HTML passed to the iframe causes the BASIC 
program to restart.

The way to get TiddlyWiki talking to the program while it is running:  local 
storage  !

So whatever widgets involved with, say, a game, in a TiddlyWiki tiddler set 
values in local storage.

The BASIC program regularly checks local storage, and processing gets 
triggered based on what the BASIC program finds in local storage.

The BASIC program can also provide values to the TiddlyWiki via local 
storage, but some kind of trigger needs to be setup in TiddlyWiki to check 
local storage (a manual trigger would involve a human pressing a button; an 
automated trigger would involve some kind of timer in TiddlyWiki to trigger 
check of local storage and retrieving values from local storage.)

TiddlyWiki to BASIC communication is ridiculously easy.  The other 
direction is a bit of work.

Using BASIC for dynamic generation of good-enough graphics based on events 
happening in TiddlyWiki: awesome scenario.

On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 5:06:35 AM UTC-4 barro...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Yes this creation of yours is pretty cool.  My main TW project is an 
> interactive novel/pick your own adventure browser game that already uses TW 
> core with multimedia resources, svg animations, vrml (x3d)-- so why not 
> BASIC generated graphics?
>
> Made with the methodically maddening haphazard KAOS theorems (M2HKT) of 
> WikiWitchery...
>
> i1,i2,i3,i4 = ideas
> i1 + i2 = o.0
> i1 + i3 = 0.o
> i1 + i2 +i3 = >.<
> i1 + i2 + i4 = 0.0
>
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 7:37:47 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I fooled you?  Well, my occasional moments of sneakiness (blink and 
>> you'll miss it) can be underestimated ...
>>
>> https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/BAM_IDE.html
>>
>> Yeah, pick any of the programs already in there, and export to 
>> .bas.html.  Then open in your browser to see running app.
>>
>> Single html file with nothing but basic program and the goodies that run 
>> the BASIC program.  All self-contained, just itching to be deployed.
>>
>> Don't mind me, that gets my geek mojo gooving something silly.
>>
>> If you sneak a peak at wwwBASIC , 
>> you'll see that a standard BASIC program in a deployable HTML file looks 
>> like this:
>>
>> `
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>   https://google.github.io/wwwbasic/wwwbasic.js";>
>> 
>> PRINT "Hello World!"
>> FOR i = 1 to 10 PRINT "Counting "; i NEXT i
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> `
>>
>> BASIC Anywhere Machine is a fully self-contained TiddlyWiki (my modified 
>> version of wwwBASIC.js is in a tiddler).  The export .bas.html process just 
>> spits out the basic program like in the example above, but also embed all 
>> of the javascript from my version of wwwbasic right into the html file, so 
>> the html file has no external references.
>>
>> Nothing revolutionary, but still pretty cool.
>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 8:03:55 PM UTC-4 barro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> : )  You fooled me with those iframes, I thought they were FF dev tool 
>>> popups!
>>>
>>> But pre-generated images would be best for static images but it looked 
>>> like some code had interactivity.  I have operated TW's along with web 
>>> pages that had js I couldn't run in TW, or another web app through iframes, 
>>> so this would be along those lines.
>>>
>>> I shall be delving into this Basic Anywhere further-- TY for you wiki!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:59:52 AM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 G'day, and thanks for your interest ~

 The code is running in HTML in an iFrame now.  (That BASIC console 
 window is just a TiddlyWiki-generated window containing an iFrame to 
 display the HTML needed to run the BASIC program.

 If you export a program as .bas.html, that html file is then something 
 you can display directly in a browser window by itself, or display in an 
 iframe.

 The .bas.HTML file will have the BASIC program embedded, and also have 
 the BASIC interpreter (a modified version of wwwBASIC) embedded as well, 
 translating the BASIC program into javascript on the fly.
 On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 7:07:48 AM UTC-4 barro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> This is of interest, not just for the custom exports (I home brewed a 
> basic html export so I could build web pages independent of TW's 
> stylesheet, but with a custom stylesheet), but the BASIC anywhere.  I saw 
> that the code examples op

[tw5] Re: Custom export formats: TiddlyWiki available for study

2022-02-16 Thread A Gloom
Yes this creation of yours is pretty cool.  My main TW project is an 
interactive novel/pick your own adventure browser game that already uses TW 
core with multimedia resources, svg animations, vrml (x3d)-- so why not 
BASIC generated graphics?

Made with the methodically maddening haphazard KAOS theorems (M2HKT) of 
WikiWitchery...

i1,i2,i3,i4 = ideas
i1 + i2 = o.0
i1 + i3 = 0.o
i1 + i2 +i3 = >.<
i1 + i2 + i4 = 0.0

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 7:37:47 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> I fooled you?  Well, my occasional moments of sneakiness (blink and you'll 
> miss it) can be underestimated ...
>
> https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/BAM_IDE.html
>
> Yeah, pick any of the programs already in there, and export to .bas.html.  
> Then open in your browser to see running app.
>
> Single html file with nothing but basic program and the goodies that run 
> the BASIC program.  All self-contained, just itching to be deployed.
>
> Don't mind me, that gets my geek mojo gooving something silly.
>
> If you sneak a peak at wwwBASIC , 
> you'll see that a standard BASIC program in a deployable HTML file looks 
> like this:
>
> `
> 
> 
>  
>   https://google.github.io/wwwbasic/wwwbasic.js";>
> 
> PRINT "Hello World!"
> FOR i = 1 to 10 PRINT "Counting "; i NEXT i
> 
> 
> 
> `
>
> BASIC Anywhere Machine is a fully self-contained TiddlyWiki (my modified 
> version of wwwBASIC.js is in a tiddler).  The export .bas.html process just 
> spits out the basic program like in the example above, but also embed all 
> of the javascript from my version of wwwbasic right into the html file, so 
> the html file has no external references.
>
> Nothing revolutionary, but still pretty cool.
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 8:03:55 PM UTC-4 barro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> : )  You fooled me with those iframes, I thought they were FF dev tool 
>> popups!
>>
>> But pre-generated images would be best for static images but it looked 
>> like some code had interactivity.  I have operated TW's along with web 
>> pages that had js I couldn't run in TW, or another web app through iframes, 
>> so this would be along those lines.
>>
>> I shall be delving into this Basic Anywhere further-- TY for you wiki!
>>
>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:59:52 AM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> G'day, and thanks for your interest ~
>>>
>>> The code is running in HTML in an iFrame now.  (That BASIC console 
>>> window is just a TiddlyWiki-generated window containing an iFrame to 
>>> display the HTML needed to run the BASIC program.
>>>
>>> If you export a program as .bas.html, that html file is then something 
>>> you can display directly in a browser window by itself, or display in an 
>>> iframe.
>>>
>>> The .bas.HTML file will have the BASIC program embedded, and also have 
>>> the BASIC interpreter (a modified version of wwwBASIC) embedded as well, 
>>> translating the BASIC program into javascript on the fly.
>>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 7:07:48 AM UTC-4 barro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is of interest, not just for the custom exports (I home brewed a 
 basic html export so I could build web pages independent of TW's 
 stylesheet, but with a custom stylesheet), but the BASIC anywhere.  I saw 
 that the code examples opened in console windows in FF-- could the code 
 run 
 (generate graphics) in html, like a iframe?

 On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 8:05:47 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> BASIC Anywhere Machine follow-up video  
> showing the usefulness of the TW-native export formats and the three 
> additional export formats when exporting BASIC programs.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4 Charlie Veniot 
> wrote:
>
>> See details in this blog post. 
>> 
>>
>> Try the features and go some TiddlyWiki code excavation/study with 
>> the latest version of BASIC Anywhere Machine 
>> .
>>
>>- BASIC Anywhere Machine's File menu, click on the "Exit" menu 
>>item to  get into the TiddlyWiki interface
>>- Relevant tiddlers:
>>   - .BAS Exporter
>>   - .BAS.HTML Exporter
>>   - .BAS.JSON Exporter
>>   - Creating a custom export format 
>>
>>
>> Cheers !
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Custom export formats: TiddlyWiki available for study

2022-02-03 Thread Charlie Veniot
I fooled you?  Well, my occasional moments of sneakiness (blink and you'll 
miss it) can be underestimated ...

https://basicanywheremachine.neocities.org/BAM_IDE.html

Yeah, pick any of the programs already in there, and export to .bas.html.  
Then open in your browser to see running app.

Single html file with nothing but basic program and the goodies that run 
the BASIC program.  All self-contained, just itching to be deployed.

Don't mind me, that gets my geek mojo gooving something silly.

If you sneak a peak at wwwBASIC , 
you'll see that a standard BASIC program in a deployable HTML file looks 
like this:

`


 
  https://google.github.io/wwwbasic/wwwbasic.js";>

PRINT "Hello World!"
FOR i = 1 to 10 PRINT "Counting "; i NEXT i



`

BASIC Anywhere Machine is a fully self-contained TiddlyWiki (my modified 
version of wwwBASIC.js is in a tiddler).  The export .bas.html process just 
spits out the basic program like in the example above, but also embed all 
of the javascript from my version of wwwbasic right into the html file, so 
the html file has no external references.

Nothing revolutionary, but still pretty cool.
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 8:03:55 PM UTC-4 barro...@gmail.com wrote:

> : )  You fooled me with those iframes, I thought they were FF dev tool 
> popups!
>
> But pre-generated images would be best for static images but it looked 
> like some code had interactivity.  I have operated TW's along with web 
> pages that had js I couldn't run in TW, or another web app through iframes, 
> so this would be along those lines.
>
> I shall be delving into this Basic Anywhere further-- TY for you wiki!
>
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:59:52 AM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> G'day, and thanks for your interest ~
>>
>> The code is running in HTML in an iFrame now.  (That BASIC console window 
>> is just a TiddlyWiki-generated window containing an iFrame to display the 
>> HTML needed to run the BASIC program.
>>
>> If you export a program as .bas.html, that html file is then something 
>> you can display directly in a browser window by itself, or display in an 
>> iframe.
>>
>> The .bas.HTML file will have the BASIC program embedded, and also have 
>> the BASIC interpreter (a modified version of wwwBASIC) embedded as well, 
>> translating the BASIC program into javascript on the fly.
>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 7:07:48 AM UTC-4 barro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is of interest, not just for the custom exports (I home brewed a 
>>> basic html export so I could build web pages independent of TW's 
>>> stylesheet, but with a custom stylesheet), but the BASIC anywhere.  I saw 
>>> that the code examples opened in console windows in FF-- could the code run 
>>> (generate graphics) in html, like a iframe?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 8:05:47 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 BASIC Anywhere Machine follow-up video  
 showing the usefulness of the TW-native export formats and the three 
 additional export formats when exporting BASIC programs.



 On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> See details in this blog post. 
> 
>
> Try the features and go some TiddlyWiki code excavation/study with the 
> latest 
> version of BASIC Anywhere Machine 
> .
>
>- BASIC Anywhere Machine's File menu, click on the "Exit" menu 
>item to  get into the TiddlyWiki interface
>- Relevant tiddlers:
>   - .BAS Exporter
>   - .BAS.HTML Exporter
>   - .BAS.JSON Exporter
>   - Creating a custom export format 
>
>
> Cheers !
>


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[tw5] Re: Custom export formats: TiddlyWiki available for study

2022-02-03 Thread A Gloom
: )  You fooled me with those iframes, I thought they were FF dev tool 
popups!

But pre-generated images would be best for static images but it looked like 
some code had interactivity.  I have operated TW's along with web pages 
that had js I couldn't run in TW, or another web app through iframes, so 
this would be along those lines.

I shall be delving into this Basic Anywhere further-- TY for you wiki!

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:59:52 AM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> G'day, and thanks for your interest ~
>
> The code is running in HTML in an iFrame now.  (That BASIC console window 
> is just a TiddlyWiki-generated window containing an iFrame to display the 
> HTML needed to run the BASIC program.
>
> If you export a program as .bas.html, that html file is then something you 
> can display directly in a browser window by itself, or display in an iframe.
>
> The .bas.HTML file will have the BASIC program embedded, and also have the 
> BASIC interpreter (a modified version of wwwBASIC) embedded as well, 
> translating the BASIC program into javascript on the fly.
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 7:07:48 AM UTC-4 barro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This is of interest, not just for the custom exports (I home brewed a 
>> basic html export so I could build web pages independent of TW's 
>> stylesheet, but with a custom stylesheet), but the BASIC anywhere.  I saw 
>> that the code examples opened in console windows in FF-- could the code run 
>> (generate graphics) in html, like a iframe?
>>
>> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 8:05:47 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> BASIC Anywhere Machine follow-up video  
>>> showing the usefulness of the TW-native export formats and the three 
>>> additional export formats when exporting BASIC programs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 See details in this blog post. 
 

 Try the features and go some TiddlyWiki code excavation/study with the 
 latest 
 version of BASIC Anywhere Machine 
 .

- BASIC Anywhere Machine's File menu, click on the "Exit" menu item 
to  get into the TiddlyWiki interface
- Relevant tiddlers:
   - .BAS Exporter
   - .BAS.HTML Exporter
   - .BAS.JSON Exporter
   - Creating a custom export format 


 Cheers !

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Custom export formats: TiddlyWiki available for study

2022-02-03 Thread Charlie Veniot
Post-send-button-click thought:

I'm sure wwwBASIC can be customized to export the resulting javascript, but 
the javascript involved is way over my head.

Me, I would be much happier right-clicking on the console window and saving 
the image, and embedding that image in a web page, if not embedding the 
.bas.html export.

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 10:59:52 AM UTC-4 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> G'day, and thanks for your interest ~
>
> The code is running in HTML in an iFrame now.  (That BASIC console window 
> is just a TiddlyWiki-generated window containing an iFrame to display the 
> HTML needed to run the BASIC program.
>
> If you export a program as .bas.html, that html file is then something you 
> can display directly in a browser window by itself, or display in an iframe.
>
> The .bas.HTML file will have the BASIC program embedded, and also have the 
> BASIC interpreter (a modified version of wwwBASIC) embedded as well, 
> translating the BASIC program into javascript on the fly.
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 7:07:48 AM UTC-4 barro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This is of interest, not just for the custom exports (I home brewed a 
>> basic html export so I could build web pages independent of TW's 
>> stylesheet, but with a custom stylesheet), but the BASIC anywhere.  I saw 
>> that the code examples opened in console windows in FF-- could the code run 
>> (generate graphics) in html, like a iframe?
>>
>> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 8:05:47 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> BASIC Anywhere Machine follow-up video  
>>> showing the usefulness of the TW-native export formats and the three 
>>> additional export formats when exporting BASIC programs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 See details in this blog post. 
 

 Try the features and go some TiddlyWiki code excavation/study with the 
 latest 
 version of BASIC Anywhere Machine 
 .

- BASIC Anywhere Machine's File menu, click on the "Exit" menu item 
to  get into the TiddlyWiki interface
- Relevant tiddlers:
   - .BAS Exporter
   - .BAS.HTML Exporter
   - .BAS.JSON Exporter
   - Creating a custom export format 


 Cheers !

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Custom export formats: TiddlyWiki available for study

2022-02-03 Thread Charlie Veniot
G'day, and thanks for your interest ~

The code is running in HTML in an iFrame now.  (That BASIC console window 
is just a TiddlyWiki-generated window containing an iFrame to display the 
HTML needed to run the BASIC program.

If you export a program as .bas.html, that html file is then something you 
can display directly in a browser window by itself, or display in an iframe.

The .bas.HTML file will have the BASIC program embedded, and also have the 
BASIC interpreter (a modified version of wwwBASIC) embedded as well, 
translating the BASIC program into javascript on the fly.
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 7:07:48 AM UTC-4 barro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is of interest, not just for the custom exports (I home brewed a 
> basic html export so I could build web pages independent of TW's 
> stylesheet, but with a custom stylesheet), but the BASIC anywhere.  I saw 
> that the code examples opened in console windows in FF-- could the code run 
> (generate graphics) in html, like a iframe?
>
> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 8:05:47 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> BASIC Anywhere Machine follow-up video  
>> showing the usefulness of the TW-native export formats and the three 
>> additional export formats when exporting BASIC programs.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> See details in this blog post. 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Try the features and go some TiddlyWiki code excavation/study with the 
>>> latest 
>>> version of BASIC Anywhere Machine 
>>> .
>>>
>>>- BASIC Anywhere Machine's File menu, click on the "Exit" menu item 
>>>to  get into the TiddlyWiki interface
>>>- Relevant tiddlers:
>>>   - .BAS Exporter
>>>   - .BAS.HTML Exporter
>>>   - .BAS.JSON Exporter
>>>   - Creating a custom export format 
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers !
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Custom export formats: TiddlyWiki available for study

2022-02-03 Thread A Gloom
This is of interest, not just for the custom exports (I home brewed a basic 
html export so I could build web pages independent of TW's stylesheet, but 
with a custom stylesheet), but the BASIC anywhere.  I saw that the code 
examples opened in console windows in FF-- could the code run (generate 
graphics) in html, like a iframe?

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 8:05:47 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> BASIC Anywhere Machine follow-up video  
> showing the usefulness of the TW-native export formats and the three 
> additional export formats when exporting BASIC programs.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> See details in this blog post. 
>> 
>>
>> Try the features and go some TiddlyWiki code excavation/study with the 
>> latest 
>> version of BASIC Anywhere Machine 
>> .
>>
>>- BASIC Anywhere Machine's File menu, click on the "Exit" menu item 
>>to  get into the TiddlyWiki interface
>>- Relevant tiddlers:
>>   - .BAS Exporter
>>   - .BAS.HTML Exporter
>>   - .BAS.JSON Exporter
>>   - Creating a custom export format 
>>
>>
>> Cheers !
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Custom export formats: TiddlyWiki available for study

2022-01-30 Thread Charlie Veniot
BASIC Anywhere Machine follow-up video  
showing the usefulness of the TW-native export formats and the three 
additional export formats when exporting BASIC programs.



On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> See details in this blog post. 
> 
>
> Try the features and go some TiddlyWiki code excavation/study with the latest 
> version of BASIC Anywhere Machine 
> .
>
>- BASIC Anywhere Machine's File menu, click on the "Exit" menu item 
>to  get into the TiddlyWiki interface
>- Relevant tiddlers:
>   - .BAS Exporter
>   - .BAS.HTML Exporter
>   - .BAS.JSON Exporter
>   - Creating a custom export format 
>
>
> Cheers !
>

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