Re: [tw5] Re: Hard-replace macros at tiddler save

[Taylor Jensen]

Oh sorry, I'm just blind. I'll see if I can make this into something that
works for me, thanks!

On Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:00 PM Frédéric Demers  wrote:

> Hi Taylor, I linked it in my previous post:
> https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/pluginsandmacros/hashtag2tag.html
> or were you looking for something different?
>
> The other option to run code upon tiddler save is to add wikitext
> processing as in this example: https://danielorodriguez.com/TW5-AutoTag/
>
>
> On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 18:15, Taylor Jensen  wrote:
>
>> This seems like it could be modifiable into what I'm after, can you link
>> it?
>>
>> -TCJ
>>
>> On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 9:23:34 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps in a related solution I created a snapshot tool. It converts
>>> what a tiddler displays into html and saves it in another tiddler, then
>>> displays the snap shot in the original tiddler.
>>>
>>> The reason was to capture content at a point in time,  and to save
>>> processing by not regenerating the tiddler until a refresh is requested.
>>> This snapshot can be dragged to any wiki and will; look the same, because
>>> the data and macros in the original where captured in the snapshot as fixed
>>> html. If you are using special CSS you may need to incorporate that with
>>> the snapshot.
>>>
>>> I mention this because you could design your own snapshot method to
>>> include what you want in it, ie run macros and produce results, and capture
>>> the results.
>>>
>>> The quick hack is to install the Internals core plugin, then use the
>>> preview in a tiddler editor, and look at the RAW HTML preview, select and
>>> copy the actual html, and paste this html into Another tiddler.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 22 May 2021 at 09:09:10 UTC+10 t...@tcj.design wrote:
>>>
 I'm interested, but I'm not sure how to go about it. How can I run a
 macro on tiddler save to make what is essentially text substitutions?

 On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 5:51:33 AM UTC-4 Anjar wrote:

> Another use case was just posted (on how to combine the text from
> several tiddlers into a single tiddler so that the original tiddlers can 
> be
> deleted): https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/xTCzMIj0uqs Good
> solutions were suggested, but it would also be very simple to just write
> <<>> and have it replaced with the
> text of those tiddlers or  <> if one
> wants to keep transcluding
>
> Best,
> Anders
>
> fredag 14. mai 2021 kl. 16:31:33 UTC+2 skrev PMario:
>
>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:04:01 PM UTC+2 Anjar wrote:
>>
>> - You are guaranteed that the output will not change. In the
>>> permalink case, I think, the example would be to replace <>> "aTitle">> with something like <$button><$list
>>> filter="[created[..aTitle!!created..]]"><$action-navigate
>>> $to=<> />aTitle where 
>>> ..aTitle!!created..
>>> is not a reference but the actual value
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>
>> I think in general this is a sensible idea. ... But I also think it's
>> "over-engineering" ...
>>
>> If exporting "connected" tiddler is a problem, we may need to improve
>> the "export" mechanisms. Which imo would be the right place to tackle 
>> this
>> specific problem.
>>
>> just a thought.
>> mario
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Hard-replace macros at tiddler save

[Frédéric Demers]

Hi Taylor, I linked it in my previous post:
https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/pluginsandmacros/hashtag2tag.html
or were you looking for something different?

The other option to run code upon tiddler save is to add wikitext
processing as in this example: https://danielorodriguez.com/TW5-AutoTag/


On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 18:15, Taylor Jensen  wrote:

> This seems like it could be modifiable into what I'm after, can you link
> it?
>
> -TCJ
>
> On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 9:23:34 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Perhaps in a related solution I created a snapshot tool. It converts what
>> a tiddler displays into html and saves it in another tiddler, then displays
>> the snap shot in the original tiddler.
>>
>> The reason was to capture content at a point in time,  and to save
>> processing by not regenerating the tiddler until a refresh is requested.
>> This snapshot can be dragged to any wiki and will; look the same, because
>> the data and macros in the original where captured in the snapshot as fixed
>> html. If you are using special CSS you may need to incorporate that with
>> the snapshot.
>>
>> I mention this because you could design your own snapshot method to
>> include what you want in it, ie run macros and produce results, and capture
>> the results.
>>
>> The quick hack is to install the Internals core plugin, then use the
>> preview in a tiddler editor, and look at the RAW HTML preview, select and
>> copy the actual html, and paste this html into Another tiddler.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 22 May 2021 at 09:09:10 UTC+10 t...@tcj.design wrote:
>>
>>> I'm interested, but I'm not sure how to go about it. How can I run a
>>> macro on tiddler save to make what is essentially text substitutions?
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 5:51:33 AM UTC-4 Anjar wrote:
>>>
 Another use case was just posted (on how to combine the text from
 several tiddlers into a single tiddler so that the original tiddlers can be
 deleted): https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/xTCzMIj0uqs Good
 solutions were suggested, but it would also be very simple to just write
 <<>> and have it replaced with the
 text of those tiddlers or  <> if one
 wants to keep transcluding

 Best,
 Anders

 fredag 14. mai 2021 kl. 16:31:33 UTC+2 skrev PMario:

> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:04:01 PM UTC+2 Anjar wrote:
>
> - You are guaranteed that the output will not change. In the permalink
>> case, I think, the example would be to replace <> with
>> something like <$button><$list
>> filter="[created[..aTitle!!created..]]"><$action-navigate
>> $to=<> />aTitle where 
>> ..aTitle!!created..
>> is not a reference but the actual value
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>
> I think in general this is a sensible idea. ... But I also think it's
> "over-engineering" ...
>
> If exporting "connected" tiddler is a problem, we may need to improve
> the "export" mechanisms. Which imo would be the right place to tackle this
> specific problem.
>
> just a thought.
> mario
>
>
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[tw5] Re: Hard-replace macros at tiddler save

[Taylor Jensen]

This seems like it could be modifiable into what I'm after, can you link it?

-TCJ

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 9:23:34 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Perhaps in a related solution I created a snapshot tool. It converts what 
> a tiddler displays into html and saves it in another tiddler, then displays 
> the snap shot in the original tiddler. 
>
> The reason was to capture content at a point in time,  and to save 
> processing by not regenerating the tiddler until a refresh is requested. 
> This snapshot can be dragged to any wiki and will; look the same, because 
> the data and macros in the original where captured in the snapshot as fixed 
> html. If you are using special CSS you may need to incorporate that with 
> the snapshot.
>
> I mention this because you could design your own snapshot method to 
> include what you want in it, ie run macros and produce results, and capture 
> the results.
>
> The quick hack is to install the Internals core plugin, then use the 
> preview in a tiddler editor, and look at the RAW HTML preview, select and 
> copy the actual html, and paste this html into Another tiddler.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 22 May 2021 at 09:09:10 UTC+10 t...@tcj.design wrote:
>
>> I'm interested, but I'm not sure how to go about it. How can I run a 
>> macro on tiddler save to make what is essentially text substitutions? 
>>
>> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 5:51:33 AM UTC-4 Anjar wrote:
>>
>>> Another use case was just posted (on how to combine the text from 
>>> several tiddlers into a single tiddler so that the original tiddlers can be 
>>> deleted): https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/xTCzMIj0uqs Good 
>>> solutions were suggested, but it would also be very simple to just write 
>>> <<>> and have it replaced with the 
>>> text of those tiddlers or  <> if one 
>>> wants to keep transcluding
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Anders
>>>
>>> fredag 14. mai 2021 kl. 16:31:33 UTC+2 skrev PMario:
>>>
 On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:04:01 PM UTC+2 Anjar wrote:

 - You are guaranteed that the output will not change. In the permalink 
> case, I think, the example would be to replace <> with 
> something like <$button><$list 
> filter="[created[..aTitle!!created..]]"><$action-navigate 
> $to=<> />aTitle where 
> ..aTitle!!created.. 
> is not a reference but the actual value
>
> Thoughts?
>

 I think in general this is a sensible idea. ... But I also think it's 
 "over-engineering" ... 

 If exporting "connected" tiddler is a problem, we may need to improve 
 the "export" mechanisms. Which imo would be the right place to tackle this 
 specific problem. 

 just a thought.
 mario




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[tw5] Re: Hard-replace macros at tiddler save

[Frédéric Demers]

@t one option is to replace the save button as in this example: 
https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/pluginsandmacros/hashtag2tag.html

Probably not super clean and it cripples the keyboard short cut when saving 
tiddlers...

On Friday, 21 May 2021 at 21:23:34 UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Perhaps in a related solution I created a snapshot tool. It converts what 
> a tiddler displays into html and saves it in another tiddler, then displays 
> the snap shot in the original tiddler. 
>
> The reason was to capture content at a point in time,  and to save 
> processing by not regenerating the tiddler until a refresh is requested. 
> This snapshot can be dragged to any wiki and will; look the same, because 
> the data and macros in the original where captured in the snapshot as fixed 
> html. If you are using special CSS you may need to incorporate that with 
> the snapshot.
>
> I mention this because you could design your own snapshot method to 
> include what you want in it, ie run macros and produce results, and capture 
> the results.
>
> The quick hack is to install the Internals core plugin, then use the 
> preview in a tiddler editor, and look at the RAW HTML preview, select and 
> copy the actual html, and paste this html into Another tiddler.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 22 May 2021 at 09:09:10 UTC+10 t...@tcj.design wrote:
>
>> I'm interested, but I'm not sure how to go about it. How can I run a 
>> macro on tiddler save to make what is essentially text substitutions? 
>>
>> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 5:51:33 AM UTC-4 Anjar wrote:
>>
>>> Another use case was just posted (on how to combine the text from 
>>> several tiddlers into a single tiddler so that the original tiddlers can be 
>>> deleted): https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/xTCzMIj0uqs Good 
>>> solutions were suggested, but it would also be very simple to just write 
>>> <<>> and have it replaced with the 
>>> text of those tiddlers or  <> if one 
>>> wants to keep transcluding
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Anders
>>>
>>> fredag 14. mai 2021 kl. 16:31:33 UTC+2 skrev PMario:
>>>
 On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:04:01 PM UTC+2 Anjar wrote:

 - You are guaranteed that the output will not change. In the permalink 
> case, I think, the example would be to replace <> with 
> something like <$button><$list 
> filter="[created[..aTitle!!created..]]"><$action-navigate 
> $to=<> />aTitle where 
> ..aTitle!!created.. 
> is not a reference but the actual value
>
> Thoughts?
>

 I think in general this is a sensible idea. ... But I also think it's 
 "over-engineering" ... 

 If exporting "connected" tiddler is a problem, we may need to improve 
 the "export" mechanisms. Which imo would be the right place to tackle this 
 specific problem. 

 just a thought.
 mario




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[tw5] Re: Hard-replace macros at tiddler save

[TW Tones]

Perhaps in a related solution I created a snapshot tool. It converts what a 
tiddler displays into html and saves it in another tiddler, then displays 
the snap shot in the original tiddler. 

The reason was to capture content at a point in time,  and to save 
processing by not regenerating the tiddler until a refresh is requested. 
This snapshot can be dragged to any wiki and will; look the same, because 
the data and macros in the original where captured in the snapshot as fixed 
html. If you are using special CSS you may need to incorporate that with 
the snapshot.

I mention this because you could design your own snapshot method to include 
what you want in it, ie run macros and produce results, and capture the 
results.

The quick hack is to install the Internals core plugin, then use the 
preview in a tiddler editor, and look at the RAW HTML preview, select and 
copy the actual html, and paste this html into Another tiddler.

Regards
Tones




On Saturday, 22 May 2021 at 09:09:10 UTC+10 t...@tcj.design wrote:

> I'm interested, but I'm not sure how to go about it. How can I run a macro 
> on tiddler save to make what is essentially text substitutions? 
>
> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 5:51:33 AM UTC-4 Anjar wrote:
>
>> Another use case was just posted (on how to combine the text from several 
>> tiddlers into a single tiddler so that the original tiddlers can be 
>> deleted): https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/xTCzMIj0uqs Good 
>> solutions were suggested, but it would also be very simple to just write 
>> <<>> and have it replaced with the 
>> text of those tiddlers or  <> if one 
>> wants to keep transcluding
>>
>> Best,
>> Anders
>>
>> fredag 14. mai 2021 kl. 16:31:33 UTC+2 skrev PMario:
>>
>>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:04:01 PM UTC+2 Anjar wrote:
>>>
>>> - You are guaranteed that the output will not change. In the permalink 
 case, I think, the example would be to replace <> with 
 something like <$button><$list 
 filter="[created[..aTitle!!created..]]"><$action-navigate 
 $to=<> />aTitle where 
 ..aTitle!!created.. 
 is not a reference but the actual value

 Thoughts?

>>>
>>> I think in general this is a sensible idea. ... But I also think it's 
>>> "over-engineering" ... 
>>>
>>> If exporting "connected" tiddler is a problem, we may need to improve 
>>> the "export" mechanisms. Which imo would be the right place to tackle this 
>>> specific problem. 
>>>
>>> just a thought.
>>> mario
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Hard-replace macros at tiddler save

[Taylor Jensen]

What I really need is mechanically, how do I get code to run on-save in 
TiddlyWiki. 

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 7:26:46 PM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> In terms of use cases, in MediaWiki similar functionality is called template 
> substitution , and 
> they've listed some applications at Wikipedia.
>
> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 4:51:33 AM UTC-5 Anjar wrote:
>
>> Another use case was just posted (on how to combine the text from several 
>> tiddlers into a single tiddler so that the original tiddlers can be 
>> deleted): https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/xTCzMIj0uqs Good 
>> solutions were suggested, but it would also be very simple to just write 
>> <<>> and have it replaced with the 
>> text of those tiddlers or  <> if one 
>> wants to keep transcluding
>>
>> Best,
>> Anders
>>
>> fredag 14. mai 2021 kl. 16:31:33 UTC+2 skrev PMario:
>>
>>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:04:01 PM UTC+2 Anjar wrote:
>>>
>>> - You are guaranteed that the output will not change. In the permalink 
 case, I think, the example would be to replace <> with 
 something like <$button><$list 
 filter="[created[..aTitle!!created..]]"><$action-navigate 
 $to=<> />aTitle where 
 ..aTitle!!created.. 
 is not a reference but the actual value

 Thoughts?

>>>
>>> I think in general this is a sensible idea. ... But I also think it's 
>>> "over-engineering" ... 
>>>
>>> If exporting "connected" tiddler is a problem, we may need to improve 
>>> the "export" mechanisms. Which imo would be the right place to tackle this 
>>> specific problem. 
>>>
>>> just a thought.
>>> mario
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Hard-replace macros at tiddler save

[Soren Bjornstad]

In terms of use cases, in MediaWiki similar functionality is called template 
substitution , and 
they've listed some applications at Wikipedia.

On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 4:51:33 AM UTC-5 Anjar wrote:

> Another use case was just posted (on how to combine the text from several 
> tiddlers into a single tiddler so that the original tiddlers can be 
> deleted): https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/xTCzMIj0uqs Good 
> solutions were suggested, but it would also be very simple to just write 
> <<>> and have it replaced with the 
> text of those tiddlers or  <> if one 
> wants to keep transcluding
>
> Best,
> Anders
>
> fredag 14. mai 2021 kl. 16:31:33 UTC+2 skrev PMario:
>
>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:04:01 PM UTC+2 Anjar wrote:
>>
>> - You are guaranteed that the output will not change. In the permalink 
>>> case, I think, the example would be to replace <> with 
>>> something like <$button><$list 
>>> filter="[created[..aTitle!!created..]]"><$action-navigate 
>>> $to=<> />aTitle where ..aTitle!!created.. 
>>> is not a reference but the actual value
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>
>> I think in general this is a sensible idea. ... But I also think it's 
>> "over-engineering" ... 
>>
>> If exporting "connected" tiddler is a problem, we may need to improve the 
>> "export" mechanisms. Which imo would be the right place to tackle this 
>> specific problem. 
>>
>> just a thought.
>> mario
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Hard-replace macros at tiddler save

[Taylor Jensen]

I'm interested, but I'm not sure how to go about it. How can I run a macro 
on tiddler save to make what is essentially text substitutions? 

On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 5:51:33 AM UTC-4 Anjar wrote:

> Another use case was just posted (on how to combine the text from several 
> tiddlers into a single tiddler so that the original tiddlers can be 
> deleted): https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/xTCzMIj0uqs Good 
> solutions were suggested, but it would also be very simple to just write 
> <<>> and have it replaced with the 
> text of those tiddlers or  <> if one 
> wants to keep transcluding
>
> Best,
> Anders
>
> fredag 14. mai 2021 kl. 16:31:33 UTC+2 skrev PMario:
>
>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:04:01 PM UTC+2 Anjar wrote:
>>
>> - You are guaranteed that the output will not change. In the permalink 
>>> case, I think, the example would be to replace <> with 
>>> something like <$button><$list 
>>> filter="[created[..aTitle!!created..]]"><$action-navigate 
>>> $to=<> />aTitle where ..aTitle!!created.. 
>>> is not a reference but the actual value
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>
>> I think in general this is a sensible idea. ... But I also think it's 
>> "over-engineering" ... 
>>
>> If exporting "connected" tiddler is a problem, we may need to improve the 
>> "export" mechanisms. Which imo would be the right place to tackle this 
>> specific problem. 
>>
>> just a thought.
>> mario
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Hard-replace macros at tiddler save

[Anjar]

Another use case was just posted (on how to combine the text from several 
tiddlers into a single tiddler so that the original tiddlers can be 
deleted): https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/xTCzMIj0uqs Good 
solutions were suggested, but it would also be very simple to just write 
<<>> and have it replaced with the 
text of those tiddlers or  <> if one 
wants to keep transcluding

Best,
Anders

fredag 14. mai 2021 kl. 16:31:33 UTC+2 skrev PMario:

> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:04:01 PM UTC+2 Anjar wrote:
>
> - You are guaranteed that the output will not change. In the permalink 
>> case, I think, the example would be to replace <> with 
>> something like <$button><$list 
>> filter="[created[..aTitle!!created..]]"><$action-navigate 
>> $to=<> />aTitle where ..aTitle!!created.. 
>> is not a reference but the actual value
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>
> I think in general this is a sensible idea. ... But I also think it's 
> "over-engineering" ... 
>
> If exporting "connected" tiddler is a problem, we may need to improve the 
> "export" mechanisms. Which imo would be the right place to tackle this 
> specific problem. 
>
> just a thought.
> mario
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Hard-replace macros at tiddler save

[PMario]

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:04:01 PM UTC+2 Anjar wrote:

- You are guaranteed that the output will not change. In the permalink 
> case, I think, the example would be to replace <> with 
> something like <$button><$list 
> filter="[created[..aTitle!!created..]]"><$action-navigate 
> $to=<> />aTitle where ..aTitle!!created.. 
> is not a reference but the actual value
>
> Thoughts?
>

I think in general this is a sensible idea. ... But I also think it's 
"over-engineering" ... 

If exporting "connected" tiddler is a problem, we may need to improve the 
"export" mechanisms. Which imo would be the right place to tackle this 
specific problem. 

just a thought.
mario


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