[tw5] Re: How do you manage bibliography and other citations?

[IvanPsy]

Hi Keenan thank you for the great reply.

As for the Stream plugin, do you mean this:  
https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/bullets.html ?

I think I’ll test it on a second TiddlyWiki: is there any chance adding 
this plugin would break the wiki?
It says it’s a prototype.

And: what if I wanted to delete the plugin in the future? Will I lose the 
structure and break the wiki?
I see each tiddler has a string of text as title: I think I shouldn’t 
change it, is it?
My concern is I will have a wiki with hundreds of tiddlers with such 
strange name, so that I’ll not be able to refer to them in the future (as 
the title won’t be a human sentence).

How do I add the plugin?
Is dragging and dropping the $:/plugins/sq/bullets 

 text 
on my TiddlyWiki enough?

Il giorno giovedì 13 agosto 2020 alle 17:13:52 UTC+2 keela...@gmail.com ha 
scritto:

> I concur with Mark. I'm currently using Refnotes as well, in addition to 
> Saq's Streams plugin.
>
> Here's my workflow with it:
>
>1. I've created a text expander flow that auto-populates the syntax 
>for a footnote, so that I can just use a / command to call it up.
>2. I create a source tiddler for the book, and using the Streams 
>plugin, you can very quickly take notes on a book. Each new node is 
>actually a tiddler, so it creates atomic notes that are all just connected 
>to the source tiddler for the book. Each one can then be linked to other 
>topics of notes, of course, and they can be transcluded or copied into 
>another tiddler for composition later.
>3. With each note created this way, I use my text expander to quickly 
>call up the macro for a footnote and simply add bib info at the end of 
> each 
>note. That means every, single note now has the bib reference in it.
>4. Added bonus: The Refnotes plugin also allows you to easily create a 
>bibliography at the bottom of a tiddler based off all the footnotes in the 
>tiddler. And if I pull in notes from multiple books to a new article 
>tiddler by transclusion, it dynamically updates the numbering in the new 
>tiddler and adds them to that bottom bibliography section for that note. 
>This is especially nice if I'm writing an article inside TiddlyWiki. 
>
> Happy to explain more if it would help. 
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:43:36 AM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> You might find refnotes useful (https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 1:06:43 AM UTC-7, IvanPsy wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I started with TiddlyWiki as my second brain, and I love it!
>>>
>>> Now...I read lots of papers and other research, articles and blog posts.
>>> When I extract the information and put them in my TiddlyWiki I lose all 
>>> the references, as all is mixed inside my second brain: in a single tiddler 
>>> there may be information extracted from several articles, and a single 
>>> article may be split into several tiddlers.
>>>
>>> But I need to get back to the reference when I write my articles for the 
>>> public, so that I can cite who said what.
>>>
>>> How do you manage it?
>>> Any example?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How do you manage bibliography and other citations?

[Jon]

Hi,

This is how I use Refnotes:

I have a list of references in a data tiddler called 'Footnotes'

myref1: Title, Author
myfef2 etc

In the tiddler I want to include the reference, I use 'Insert preconfigured 
snippet of text' in the editor to insert:

<>

then I just insert the 'myref number' and the page number.

Also, in another tiddler 
{{{[!is[system]regexp:text[{{Footnotes##myref1}}]]}}} will show the list of 
references for that book (this bit works but there's probably a better 
syntax for it)

Regards
Jon

On Friday, 14 August 2020 23:09:42 UTC+1, History Buff wrote:
>
> Thanks so much. I will definitely have to check out Text Blaze. Your 
> workflow souinds quite useful to. I'm going to have to examine mine for 
> improvements.
>
> Damon
>
>
> On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 2:57:26 AM UTC-7, Keelan Cook wrote:
>>
>> Certainly, I'm currently using Text Blaze. It's a free chrome extension. 
>> It allows you to set any character string to be called up by certain 
>> keystrokes. 
>>
>> In my research workflow, I'm creating footnotes with it by inputting the 
>> syntax for a footnote into Text Blaze. For instance, adding a footnote with 
>> Refnotes looks like this: <> Establishment|Undermined Establishment (Handy, 2014)]]//, 28.">>. Each time 
>> I start a new source, I will input a string specific to that book into Text 
>> Blaze that places the cursor automatically at the page location in the 
>> footnote syntax. I will then assign it to a slash command. This one is 
>> assigned to "/handy2014". 
>>
>> As I'm taking notes from the source, at the end of every literature note, 
>> I simply type the slash command, and it fills in the syntax for the 
>> footnote and I simply add the page number. Saves a great deal of time. I 
>> have a few others for coloring things with CSS and other macros as well. 
>> You can conceivably use them for anything you type over and over again. 
>> I've known people to use them for whole email templates.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 10:11:33 PM UTC-5 History Buff wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Keenan 
>>>
>>> Could you give more details about your text expander? I’m very 
>>> intrigued. 
>>>
>>> Damon 
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How do you manage bibliography and other citations?

[History Buff]

Thanks so much. I will definitely have to check out Text Blaze. Your 
workflow souinds quite useful to. I'm going to have to examine mine for 
improvements.

Damon


On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 2:57:26 AM UTC-7, Keelan Cook wrote:
>
> Certainly, I'm currently using Text Blaze. It's a free chrome extension. 
> It allows you to set any character string to be called up by certain 
> keystrokes. 
>
> In my research workflow, I'm creating footnotes with it by inputting the 
> syntax for a footnote into Text Blaze. For instance, adding a footnote with 
> Refnotes looks like this: < Establishment|Undermined Establishment (Handy, 2014)]]//, 28.">>. Each time 
> I start a new source, I will input a string specific to that book into Text 
> Blaze that places the cursor automatically at the page location in the 
> footnote syntax. I will then assign it to a slash command. This one is 
> assigned to "/handy2014". 
>
> As I'm taking notes from the source, at the end of every literature note, 
> I simply type the slash command, and it fills in the syntax for the 
> footnote and I simply add the page number. Saves a great deal of time. I 
> have a few others for coloring things with CSS and other macros as well. 
> You can conceivably use them for anything you type over and over again. 
> I've known people to use them for whole email templates.
>
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 10:11:33 PM UTC-5 History Buff wrote:
>
>> Hi Keenan 
>>
>> Could you give more details about your text expander? I’m very intrigued. 
>>
>> Damon 
>
>

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[tw5] Re: How do you manage bibliography and other citations?

[Keelan Cook]

Certainly, I'm currently using Text Blaze. It's a free chrome extension. It 
allows you to set any character string to be called up by certain 
keystrokes. 

In my research workflow, I'm creating footnotes with it by inputting the 
syntax for a footnote into Text Blaze. For instance, adding a footnote with 
Refnotes looks like this: <>. Each time 
I start a new source, I will input a string specific to that book into Text 
Blaze that places the cursor automatically at the page location in the 
footnote syntax. I will then assign it to a slash command. This one is 
assigned to "/handy2014". 

As I'm taking notes from the source, at the end of every literature note, I 
simply type the slash command, and it fills in the syntax for the footnote 
and I simply add the page number. Saves a great deal of time. I have a few 
others for coloring things with CSS and other macros as well. You can 
conceivably use them for anything you type over and over again. I've known 
people to use them for whole email templates.


On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 10:11:33 PM UTC-5 History Buff wrote:

> Hi Keenan
>
> Could you give more details about your text expander? I’m very intrigued. 
>
> Damon 

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[tw5] Re: How do you manage bibliography and other citations?

[History Buff]

Hi Keenan

Could you give more details about your text expander? I’m very intrigued. 

Damon 

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[tw5] Re: How do you manage bibliography and other citations?

[Keelan Cook]

I concur with Mark. I'm currently using Refnotes as well, in addition to 
Saq's Streams plugin.

Here's my workflow with it:

   1. I've created a text expander flow that auto-populates the syntax for 
   a footnote, so that I can just use a / command to call it up.
   2. I create a source tiddler for the book, and using the Streams plugin, 
   you can very quickly take notes on a book. Each new node is actually a 
   tiddler, so it creates atomic notes that are all just connected to the 
   source tiddler for the book. Each one can then be linked to other topics of 
   notes, of course, and they can be transcluded or copied into another 
   tiddler for composition later.
   3. With each note created this way, I use my text expander to quickly 
   call up the macro for a footnote and simply add bib info at the end of each 
   note. That means every, single note now has the bib reference in it.
   4. Added bonus: The Refnotes plugin also allows you to easily create a 
   bibliography at the bottom of a tiddler based off all the footnotes in the 
   tiddler. And if I pull in notes from multiple books to a new article 
   tiddler by transclusion, it dynamically updates the numbering in the new 
   tiddler and adds them to that bottom bibliography section for that note. 
   This is especially nice if I'm writing an article inside TiddlyWiki. 
   
Happy to explain more if it would help. 

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:43:36 AM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:

> You might find refnotes useful (https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/)
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 1:06:43 AM UTC-7, IvanPsy wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I started with TiddlyWiki as my second brain, and I love it!
>>
>> Now...I read lots of papers and other research, articles and blog posts.
>> When I extract the information and put them in my TiddlyWiki I lose all 
>> the references, as all is mixed inside my second brain: in a single tiddler 
>> there may be information extracted from several articles, and a single 
>> article may be split into several tiddlers.
>>
>> But I need to get back to the reference when I write my articles for the 
>> public, so that I can cite who said what.
>>
>> How do you manage it?
>> Any example?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: How do you manage bibliography and other citations?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

You might find refnotes useful (https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/)



On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 1:06:43 AM UTC-7, IvanPsy wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I started with TiddlyWiki as my second brain, and I love it!
>
> Now...I read lots of papers and other research, articles and blog posts.
> When I extract the information and put them in my TiddlyWiki I lose all 
> the references, as all is mixed inside my second brain: in a single tiddler 
> there may be information extracted from several articles, and a single 
> article may be split into several tiddlers.
>
> But I need to get back to the reference when I write my articles for the 
> public, so that I can cite who said what.
>
> How do you manage it?
> Any example?
>
> Thank you!
>

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