[tw5] Re: Is this out to lunch? Using a "Data Entry" tiddler as a transclude template

2021-04-06 Thread Charlie Veniot 
Arg.

"Every cell can *h*old content managed with any kind of widget, and any 
cell can also be a transclusion of content from some other tiddler."

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 5:55:03 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> The Sheets Editor is the tiddler that edits all sheets.
>
> Then, wherever we want to show the sheet, we transclude whatever tiddler 
> has sheets data using the sheets editor as transclusion template.
>
> The point of TiddlySheets is not to be a spreadsheet application, but 
> rather to be something like TreeSheets: a way to enter information and 
> organize (layout) that content with the help of rows and columns.
>
> What I've quickly realized is that every cell can be more than just an 
> edit text widget.  Every cell can old content managed with any kind of 
> widget, and any cell can also be a transclusion of content from some other 
> tiddler.
>
> So suddenly TiddlySheets has the potential of being a TreeSheets on 
> steroids.
>
> Even more interesting:  TiddlySheets could be used as a Forms Creator.
>
> Oops, I went off-track.  Not sure exactly if I answered your question.  
> Please let me know if I was clear as mud and/or answering a totally 
> different question...  
>
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 10:02:57 AM UTC-3 jn.pierr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting possibilities. But could you please tell me how you get that 
>> toolbar for your tiddler-in-edit-mode?
>>
>> I have hacked a bit an earlier work (not mine!) to have a spreadsheet 
>> within a tiddler (I just added support for dictionaries+index instead of 
>> just fields -- that needs an external data sheet but it's more user 
>> friendly (for me at least). It could get further. I am pretty rooky about 
>> template tiddlers.
>>
>> Le dimanche 4 avril 2021 à 23:51:57 UTC+2, cj.v...@gmail.com a écrit :
>>
>>> Arg, I just fixed a wee problem with empty rows and empty columns not 
>>> showing in transclusion of data tiddler.
>>>
>>> An empty row/column makes for a space between cells of content.
>>>
>>> So TestTiddlerDataTransclusion snapshot replaced by this attached one.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 5:28:42 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 G'day all,

 As I plug away at the TiddlySheets idea brewing in me old sponge (related 
 thread ) ...

 A few definitions first:

- "*Sheets Editor*" is a tiddler to create and edit "Sheets."  
Think of "Sheets Editor" as analogous to the Google Sheets App (or to, 
 ugh, 
MS Excel): it has all of the smarts to enter content and layout/format 
 the 
content
- Any "*Sheet*" tiddler is a data tiddler, containing everything 
(content info, layout info, meta data, etc.), analogous to a Google 
 Sheet 
Document (or an Excel document/file)

 *(Refer to attached screenshots.)*

 I wondered: how would I go about displaying any sheet in any other 
 tiddler (whether in the story river, or sidebar, or anywhere else)?

 And how do I show that content with the layout setup via the Sheets 
 Editor ? And how do I go about that without duplicating all of the smarts 
 in the Sheets Editor?

 Solution: modify the Sheet Editor tiddler so that it can fulfill two 
 roles: 

- "Editor" of data tiddlers
- Display template for transclusion of those data tiddlers

 Because I am so "transclusion-minded", that immediately feels like the 
 right way to go for me.  How would you go about it? 

 Cheers !

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Is this out to lunch? Using a "Data Entry" tiddler as a transclude template

2021-04-06 Thread Charlie Veniot 
The Sheets Editor is the tiddler that edits all sheets.

Then, wherever we want to show the sheet, we transclude whatever tiddler 
has sheets data using the sheets editor as transclusion template.

The point of TiddlySheets is not to be a spreadsheet application, but 
rather to be something like TreeSheets: a way to enter information and 
organize (layout) that content with the help of rows and columns.

What I've quickly realized is that every cell can be more than just an edit 
text widget.  Every cell can old content managed with any kind of widget, 
and any cell can also be a transclusion of content from some other tiddler.

So suddenly TiddlySheets has the potential of being a TreeSheets on 
steroids.

Even more interesting:  TiddlySheets could be used as a Forms Creator.

Oops, I went off-track.  Not sure exactly if I answered your question.  
Please let me know if I was clear as mud and/or answering a totally 
different question...  

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 10:02:57 AM UTC-3 jn.pierr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Interesting possibilities. But could you please tell me how you get that 
> toolbar for your tiddler-in-edit-mode?
>
> I have hacked a bit an earlier work (not mine!) to have a spreadsheet 
> within a tiddler (I just added support for dictionaries+index instead of 
> just fields -- that needs an external data sheet but it's more user 
> friendly (for me at least). It could get further. I am pretty rooky about 
> template tiddlers.
>
> Le dimanche 4 avril 2021 à 23:51:57 UTC+2, cj.v...@gmail.com a écrit :
>
>> Arg, I just fixed a wee problem with empty rows and empty columns not 
>> showing in transclusion of data tiddler.
>>
>> An empty row/column makes for a space between cells of content.
>>
>> So TestTiddlerDataTransclusion snapshot replaced by this attached one.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 5:28:42 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> G'day all,
>>>
>>> As I plug away at the TiddlySheets idea brewing in me old sponge (related 
>>> thread ) ...
>>>
>>> A few definitions first:
>>>
>>>- "*Sheets Editor*" is a tiddler to create and edit "Sheets."  Think 
>>>of "Sheets Editor" as analogous to the Google Sheets App (or to, ugh, MS 
>>>Excel): it has all of the smarts to enter content and layout/format the 
>>>content
>>>- Any "*Sheet*" tiddler is a data tiddler, containing everything 
>>>(content info, layout info, meta data, etc.), analogous to a Google 
>>> Sheet 
>>>Document (or an Excel document/file)
>>>
>>> *(Refer to attached screenshots.)*
>>>
>>> I wondered: how would I go about displaying any sheet in any other 
>>> tiddler (whether in the story river, or sidebar, or anywhere else)?
>>>
>>> And how do I show that content with the layout setup via the Sheets 
>>> Editor ? And how do I go about that without duplicating all of the smarts 
>>> in the Sheets Editor?
>>>
>>> Solution: modify the Sheet Editor tiddler so that it can fulfill two 
>>> roles: 
>>>
>>>- "Editor" of data tiddlers
>>>- Display template for transclusion of those data tiddlers
>>>
>>> Because I am so "transclusion-minded", that immediately feels like the 
>>> right way to go for me.  How would you go about it? 
>>>
>>> Cheers !
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Is this out to lunch? Using a "Data Entry" tiddler as a transclude template

2021-04-06 Thread Jean-Pierre Rivière 
Interesting possibilities. But could you please tell me how you get that 
toolbar for your tiddler-in-edit-mode?

I have hacked a bit an earlier work (not mine!) to have a spreadsheet 
within a tiddler (I just added support for dictionaries+index instead of 
just fields -- that needs an external data sheet but it's more user 
friendly (for me at least). It could get further. I am pretty rooky about 
template tiddlers.

Le dimanche 4 avril 2021 à 23:51:57 UTC+2, cj.v...@gmail.com a écrit :

> Arg, I just fixed a wee problem with empty rows and empty columns not 
> showing in transclusion of data tiddler.
>
> An empty row/column makes for a space between cells of content.
>
> So TestTiddlerDataTransclusion snapshot replaced by this attached one.
>
> On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 5:28:42 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> G'day all,
>>
>> As I plug away at the TiddlySheets idea brewing in me old sponge (related 
>> thread ) ...
>>
>> A few definitions first:
>>
>>- "*Sheets Editor*" is a tiddler to create and edit "Sheets."  Think 
>>of "Sheets Editor" as analogous to the Google Sheets App (or to, ugh, MS 
>>Excel): it has all of the smarts to enter content and layout/format the 
>>content
>>- Any "*Sheet*" tiddler is a data tiddler, containing everything 
>>(content info, layout info, meta data, etc.), analogous to a Google Sheet 
>>Document (or an Excel document/file)
>>
>> *(Refer to attached screenshots.)*
>>
>> I wondered: how would I go about displaying any sheet in any other 
>> tiddler (whether in the story river, or sidebar, or anywhere else)?
>>
>> And how do I show that content with the layout setup via the Sheets 
>> Editor ? And how do I go about that without duplicating all of the smarts 
>> in the Sheets Editor?
>>
>> Solution: modify the Sheet Editor tiddler so that it can fulfill two 
>> roles: 
>>
>>- "Editor" of data tiddlers
>>- Display template for transclusion of those data tiddlers
>>
>> Because I am so "transclusion-minded", that immediately feels like the 
>> right way to go for me.  How would you go about it? 
>>
>> Cheers !
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Is this out to lunch? Using a "Data Entry" tiddler as a transclude template

2021-04-04 Thread Charlie Veniot 
Arg, I just fixed a wee problem with empty rows and empty columns not 
showing in transclusion of data tiddler.

An empty row/column makes for a space between cells of content.

So TestTiddlerDataTransclusion snapshot replaced by this attached one.

On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 5:28:42 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> G'day all,
>
> As I plug away at the TiddlySheets idea brewing in me old sponge (related 
> thread ) ...
>
> A few definitions first:
>
>- "*Sheets Editor*" is a tiddler to create and edit "Sheets."  Think 
>of "Sheets Editor" as analogous to the Google Sheets App (or to, ugh, MS 
>Excel): it has all of the smarts to enter content and layout/format the 
>content
>- Any "*Sheet*" tiddler is a data tiddler, containing everything 
>(content info, layout info, meta data, etc.), analogous to a Google Sheet 
>Document (or an Excel document/file)
>
> *(Refer to attached screenshots.)*
>
> I wondered: how would I go about displaying any sheet in any other tiddler 
> (whether in the story river, or sidebar, or anywhere else)?
>
> And how do I show that content with the layout setup via the Sheets Editor 
> ? And how do I go about that without duplicating all of the smarts in the 
> Sheets Editor?
>
> Solution: modify the Sheet Editor tiddler so that it can fulfill two 
> roles: 
>
>- "Editor" of data tiddlers
>- Display template for transclusion of those data tiddlers
>
> Because I am so "transclusion-minded", that immediately feels like the 
> right way to go for me.  How would you go about it? 
>
> Cheers !
>

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