[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TW Tones]

Florian,

IS the example supposed to work once installed from anywhere?

> is only the beginning.


I do not see a way to start it.

Last time I recall clicking it, or an option to show a play symbol.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:07:02 UTC+10, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Florian,
>
> Thanks for the update, I test installed it in my playground wiki 
> https://anthonymuscio.github.io/playground.html but I will install it for 
> all when I can.
>
> I see you only have one plugin at the moment do you plan more or is this 
> to help with updates?
>
> I have not applied the plugin to a production wiki and will soon.
>
> Thanks
> tony
>
> On Wednesday, 16 September 2020 13:44:30 UTC+10, Florian wrote:
>>
>> The SoundCite plugin now as its own plugin library located at 
>>
>> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/library/ 
>>
>> The SoundCite plugin library can be added by dragging the following 
>> tiddler to your TiddlyWiki: 
>>
>>
>> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fconfig%2FSoundCitePluginLibrary
>>  
>>
>> Then... 
>>
>> - open $:/ControlPanel in your wiki 
>> - click on the "Plugins" tab 
>> - click on the "Get more plugins" button 
>> - under the "SoundCite Plugin Library" tab click "open plugin library" 
>> - click "install" on the SoundCite plugin 
>>
>> Am 10.06.20 um 19:37 schrieb Florian: 
>> > I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio behind 
>> text. 
>> > 
>> > Demo: 
>> > 
>> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
>> > Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
>> > 
>> > It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more 
>> > advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
>> > 
>> > The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and 
>> > inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case Wiki 
>> > Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you 
>> > build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
>> > 
>> > Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not 
>> that 
>> > much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as 
>> it's 
>> > my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>> > 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TW Tones]

Florian,

Thanks for the update, I test installed it in my playground wiki 
https://anthonymuscio.github.io/playground.html but I will install it for 
all when I can.

I see you only have one plugin at the moment do you plan more or is this to 
help with updates?

I have not applied the plugin to a production wiki and will soon.

Thanks
tony

On Wednesday, 16 September 2020 13:44:30 UTC+10, Florian wrote:
>
> The SoundCite plugin now as its own plugin library located at 
>
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/library/ 
>
> The SoundCite plugin library can be added by dragging the following 
> tiddler to your TiddlyWiki: 
>
>
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fconfig%2FSoundCitePluginLibrary
>  
>
> Then... 
>
> - open $:/ControlPanel in your wiki 
> - click on the "Plugins" tab 
> - click on the "Get more plugins" button 
> - under the "SoundCite Plugin Library" tab click "open plugin library" 
> - click "install" on the SoundCite plugin 
>
> Am 10.06.20 um 19:37 schrieb Florian: 
> > I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio behind 
> text. 
> > 
> > Demo: 
> > 
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
> > Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
> > 
> > It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more 
> > advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
> > 
> > The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and 
> > inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case Wiki 
> > Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you 
> > build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
> > 
> > Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not that 
> > much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as it's 
> > my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
> > 
>

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Florian]

The SoundCite plugin now as its own plugin library located at

https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/library/

The SoundCite plugin library can be added by dragging the following
tiddler to your TiddlyWiki:

https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fconfig%2FSoundCitePluginLibrary

Then...

- open $:/ControlPanel in your wiki
- click on the "Plugins" tab
- click on the "Get more plugins" button
- under the "SoundCite Plugin Library" tab click "open plugin library"
- click "install" on the SoundCite plugin

Am 10.06.20 um 19:37 schrieb Florian:
> I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio behind text.
> 
> Demo:
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite
> Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite
> 
> It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more
> advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/
> 
> The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and
> inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case Wiki
> Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you
> build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it!
> 
> Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not that
> much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as it's
> my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe...
> 

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Florian]

Ciao Josiah,

sorry that it took me so long for a reply! This sounds like a nice
addition that could facilitate using the plugin! I am quite busy right
now, but I will keep this in my head. Also, feel free to add other notes
here or to the repository at https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite in
case you come up with something publishable :)

All the best,
Florian

Am 14.06.20 um 12:23 schrieb TiddlyTweeter:
> Ciao Florian
> 
> This is a thought. Not yet a full request. Something I think maybe worth 
> considering *in context of TW specific use* of Soundcite.
> Quite how it could, or if it could, work, I don't know. Let me explain my 
> actual usage already ... The "Soundcites" for different purposes ... with 
> them falling into different "types" ...
> 
> 1 - Person talking ... (e.g. a full speech)
> 2 - A "clip" of a person talking ... (e.g. the first few seconds of [1])
> 3 - A song ... (e.g. Full Song, like the Leonard Cohen) for a mini-jukebox
> 4 - A "clip" of a song (e.g. the First few seconds of [3])
> 5 - A "clip" that is used in text flow to emphasize some point the writer 
> is making (likely closest to the original concept?) 
> 6 - A Soundcite that is *only* for a file held on *Local* computer (this is 
> more a different "kind" than a different "type")
> 
> The point is the tool can be used very flexibly. But the user, currently, 
> sees only one type of interface.
> 
> My thought is if we can pass through the Marco some modest modifier, maybe 
> through CSS, to change color, or "start icon" (currently an arrow head) 
> that will indicate the "type" of clip?
> 
> Just wondered what You think of this idea!
> 
> Great tool!
> 
> Best wishes
> Josiah
> 

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Florian

This is a thought. Not yet a full request. Something I think maybe worth 
considering *in context of TW specific use* of Soundcite.
Quite how it could, or if it could, work, I don't know. Let me explain my 
actual usage already ... The "Soundcites" for different purposes ... with 
them falling into different "types" ...

1 - Person talking ... (e.g. a full speech)
2 - A "clip" of a person talking ... (e.g. the first few seconds of [1])

 

3 - A song ... (e.g. Full Song, like the Leonard Cohen) for a mini-jukebox
4 - A "clip" of a song (e.g. the First few seconds of [3])

 

5 - A "clip" that is used in text flow to emphasize some point the writer 
is making (likely closest to the original concept?) 

 

6 - A Soundcite that is *only* for a file held on *Local* computer (this is 
more a different "kind" than a different "type")


The point is the tool can be used very flexibly. But the user, currently, 
sees only one type of interface.

My thought is if we can pass through the Marco some modest modifier, maybe 
through CSS, to change color, or "start icon" (currently an arrow head) 
that will indicate the "type" of clip?

Just wondered what You think of this idea!

Great tool!

Best wishes
Josiah

 




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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Florian Kohrt wrote:
 

> Anyways, I fixed it in v1.2.4! 
>

Thanks! Here is a laugh of what I can now undo ... :-)

[image: Annotation 2020-06-14 114521.jpg]

> BTW, I really like your choice of songs to demonstrate... 
>

If useful for you, just use them.

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[A Gloom]

Florian,
 

> Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not that 
> much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as it's 
> my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>

 Congrats on your first contribution-- it may be the first plugin I will 
use-- it does things I cannot leverage from the HTML5 audio player alone, ie

Remember you don't have to cut up your audio file. SoundCite can serve 
> multiple segments from a single source.
>

 Unfortunately I won't have it added by the time I release the first video 
of my TW interactive novel/browser based game (which has a few TW audio 
tricks already) but this wiki is complex enough for 3 videos so maybe in 
the second or third video.

Looking forward to testing your SoundCite inside TW code svgs...

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Florian Kohrt]

Ciao Josiah,

oh, must've been a riddle tracking that down! I am sorry and thanks for
reporting!
Indeed the text parameter is processed through a filter as I had some
issues constructing the resulting HTML by other means.
I haven't read much TW code yet, so I don't know the patterns that may
usually work but instead come up with something (messy) myself.

Anyways, I fixed it in v1.2.4!

BTW, I really like your choice of songs to demonstrate...

Regards,
Florian

Am 14.06.20 um 00:28 schrieb TiddlyTweeter:
> Ciao Florian
> 
> I *stumbled* on something very odd. I think its due to interaction between 
> TW & Soundcite plugin?
> 
>  It is easier to show it than explain it, so please visit WEIRD stuff 
> 
> .
> 
> FYI, it doesn't stop anything working removing duplicate words in text 
> strings, but usually in TW filters do that. Its odd in that context!
> 
> What do you make of it?
> 
> Best wishes
> Josiah
> 

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Florian

I *stumbled* on something very odd. I think its due to interaction between 
TW & Soundcite plugin?

 It is easier to show it than explain it, so please visit WEIRD stuff 

.

FYI, it doesn't stop anything working removing duplicate words in text 
strings, but usually in TW filters do that. Its odd in that context!

What do you make of it?

Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Thomas Elmiger]

You are welcome.

Forgot to mention before: In Josiahʼs case the state management could lead
to correct buttons for ALL appearances of a song, when it is present in
more than one open tiddler. Press play in the strex tiddler, close it and
stop the song in the Leonard Cohen tiddler.

Cheers,
Thomas


Hi Thomas,
>
> thank you for the helpful ideas!
>

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Florian Kohrt]

Tony,

Am 13.06.20 um 07:54 schrieb TW Tones:
> So all that remains is a way to play a list of audios according to a filter 
> one after the other to build smart playlists, shuffling and use it as a DJ 
> application.

I'll add this to my list of possible improvements!

> Intergration to play for new and next slides in a presentation would be nice. 
> Or background music that fades at the end.

Do you mean in presentations like ?

> Love this
> Tony

Best,
Florian

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Florian]

Hi Thomas,

thank you for the helpful ideas!

Am 13.06.20 um 18:55 schrieb Thomas Elmiger:
> Hi folks,
> 
> First: I like this neat little audio player, this is a really cool idea, 
> Florian, thanks for making it!
> 
> Second: After testing shortly with Josiah’s example (I like the Leonard 
> Cohen songs) I came to the conclusion that it would be the job of SoundCite 
> to use something like the TW state mechanism 
>  in order to retain or restore the 
> state of a song during the TW (re)rendering process. The strex macro does 
> it in that way, this is why you can open a strex element, close the 
> tiddler, search for the tiddler and reopen it – and taddaaah! – strex 
> elements have the same state as before.
> 
> As the tabs as well as standard tiddlers demonstrate, it is a TW thing and 
> not the problem of neither the tabs or the strex macro. To test the 
> standard tiddler case you can go to Leonard Cohen 
>  and play a tune there. 
> Close the tiddler, then search for "Leonard" and reopen the tiddler. TW 
> will render all the contents again. So now the soundcite macro should check 
> for the associated sound file, if it is already playing and adjust the 
> play-button accordingly. But it doesn’t and shows the initial state with 
> the play button.

Yeah, you're right, the soundcite macro does not manage it's state which
I now see would be the proper way to solve this. I first hoped for the
strex macro to implement something similar to the tab macro's "retain"
option, but there still would be issues with other features that do not
retain the elements. And, as you say, that's just not the way TW is
designed.

> How would this work? When I hit play, a new tiddler should be created: 
> title: 
> $:/state/soundcite/https://ia801205.us.archive.org/16/items/LeonardCohen-YouWantItDarker2016/01YouWantItDarker.mp3
> text: playing
> 
> Based on this state tiddler, the macro could know about the button to 
> display on rerendering.
> 
> Honestly I have no clue about other states that would be nice to have: 
> paused at [time], ended, ... maybe in a field you could save a counter for 
> how many times a song has been played. Would all that be possible via JS?
> 
> Third: A hint about CamelCase linking. I think it would be possible to 
> switch that off for your script tiddlers only by applying Pragma rules 
> , but I never found out where you would be 
> able to look them up. Maybe others can help here. 

Thanks for pointing me in the right directions! I will look into the
state mechanism and the pragmas, but it may take some time until I come
up with something...

> All the best,
> Thomas (the one who built strex)

Kind regards,
Florian

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi folks,

First: I like this neat little audio player, this is a really cool idea, 
Florian, thanks for making it!

Second: After testing shortly with Josiah’s example (I like the Leonard 
Cohen songs) I came to the conclusion that it would be the job of SoundCite 
to use something like the TW state mechanism 
 in order to retain or restore the 
state of a song during the TW (re)rendering process. The strex macro does 
it in that way, this is why you can open a strex element, close the 
tiddler, search for the tiddler and reopen it – and taddaaah! – strex 
elements have the same state as before.

As the tabs as well as standard tiddlers demonstrate, it is a TW thing and 
not the problem of neither the tabs or the strex macro. To test the 
standard tiddler case you can go to Leonard Cohen 
 and play a tune there. 
Close the tiddler, then search for "Leonard" and reopen the tiddler. TW 
will render all the contents again. So now the soundcite macro should check 
for the associated sound file, if it is already playing and adjust the 
play-button accordingly. But it doesn’t and shows the initial state with 
the play button.

How would this work? When I hit play, a new tiddler should be created: 
title: 
$:/state/soundcite/https://ia801205.us.archive.org/16/items/LeonardCohen-YouWantItDarker2016/01YouWantItDarker.mp3
text: playing

Based on this state tiddler, the macro could know about the button to 
display on rerendering.

Honestly I have no clue about other states that would be nice to have: 
paused at [time], ended, ... maybe in a field you could save a counter for 
how many times a song has been played. Would all that be possible via JS?

Third: A hint about CamelCase linking. I think it would be possible to 
switch that off for your script tiddlers only by applying Pragma rules 
, but I never found out where you would be 
able to look them up. Maybe others can help here. 

All the best,
Thomas (the one who built strex)


Am Samstag, 13. Juni 2020 18:13:34 UTC+2 schrieb TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Florian Kohrt wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I mention in the "developing" tab that there are issues when TW 
>> does not retain loaded SoundCite elements. This applies to the <> 
>> macro -- where it can be fixed using the "retain" parameter -- and it 
>> apparently also applies to the <> macro. While it might be 
>> possible to fix this in the SoundCite plugin, it may be more useful to 
>> create a fix for the Strex plugin, so all plugins that use it can 
>> benefit. 
>
>
> Ciao Florian
>
> This is beyond my competence, but an interesting issue on "retain" as it 
> sounds like its doable in TW?
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Florian Kohrt wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, I mention in the "developing" tab that there are issues when TW 
> does not retain loaded SoundCite elements. This applies to the <> 
> macro -- where it can be fixed using the "retain" parameter -- and it 
> apparently also applies to the <> macro. While it might be 
> possible to fix this in the SoundCite plugin, it may be more useful to 
> create a fix for the Strex plugin, so all plugins that use it can benefit. 


Ciao Florian

This is beyond my competence, but an interesting issue on "retain" as it 
sounds like its doable in TW?

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Florian Kohrt wrote:
>
>
> I added the macro <>, which stops all 
> playing audios :) 
>

Excellent! I now have a fully working kit to get on doing stuff whilst 
having music!

Many thanks!
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Steve

I too would like see richer STREX examples worked through!

But maybe you should start a new thread?

Just, FYI, not being a mathematician,  I could not understand what the 
"Strex Steps" are you need :-)

TT, x

On Friday, 12 June 2020 10:33:55 UTC+2, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
>
> Sorry about the thread hijack :(
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> Quick mockup:
>
> I was thinking something like the attached, but also perhaps just being 
> able to collapse the middle in/ out of a more traditional layout: 
> http://stephenteacher.tiddlyspot.com/#Gay%20Lussac%20Worked%20Example
>
> On Friday, 12 June 2020 07:35:11 UTC+1, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> Ste,
>>
>> Your Maths questions Idea, Sounds a little like an adaptive test, or 
>> questionnaire. The content depends on previous answers. . Tiddlywiki is a 
>> great tool to implement this. As I will one day.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 4:18:30 PM UTC+10, Ste Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>> I did contemplate doing the stretch text type thing for answers to maths 
>>> questions where the default solution goes straight to the solution and then 
>>> stretches break down each step to get there so students could drill down to 
>>> the level of support they needed... But I've never quite worked up to doing 
>>> it as its effort enough putting up a good worked example! 
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TW Tones]

So all that remains is a way to play a list of audios according to a filter one 
after the other to build smart playlists, shuffling and use it as a DJ 
application.

Intergration to play for new and next slides in a presentation would be nice. 
Or background music that fades at the end.

Love this
Tony

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Florian Kohrt]

Am 12.06.20 um 21:32 schrieb TiddlyTweeter:
> A couple issues came up. No big deal.
>
> --- Main one was that if you collapse a Strex after starting a
> Soundcite the Soundcite play icon reverts to "play" rather than
> "playing" when you reopen the strex. Which means user might start it
> twice. Minor issue.
> UPDATE: Stuff in red I can longer replicate.

Yeah, I mention in the "developing" tab that there are issues when TW
does not retain loaded SoundCite elements. This applies to the <>
macro -- where it can be fixed using the "retain" parameter -- and it
apparently also applies to the <> macro. While it might be
possible to fix this in the SoundCite plugin, it may be more useful to
create a fix for the Strex plugin, so all plugins that use it can benefit.

> --- I think its *brilliant* you can launch a sound file and close a
> tiddler that launched it and it carries on playing! Exactly what a
> jukebox is!
> But, is there possibility of a global "Stop" button? I.e. terminate
> the running instances of Soundcite?

I added the macro <>, which stops all
playing audios :)

Am 12.06.20 um 23:02 schrieb TiddlyTweeter:
> Small point. Might be worth mentioning in docs you can use Soundcite to 
> play local files just as easily...

I added that to the usage tab!

Kind regards,
Florian

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Florian

Small point. Might be worth mentioning in docs you can use Soundcite to 
play local files just as easily...

For instance, my music wiki is in a dir with sub-dir "sound". This command 
plays a local mp3 of Suzanne.

<>

Best wishes
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

For those on email, I revised my last post indicating what I thought was an 
issue isn't. Its in red. TT

On Friday, 12 June 2020 19:50:29 UTC+2, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Florian
>
> Here is online: using your plugin with Strex 
> 
>  example.
>
> I was interested, really in making "contextual jukeboxes". It works well!
>
> No nesting yet. But its neat in its simplicity I think.
>
> A couple issues came up. No big deal. 
>
> --- Main one was that if you collapse a Strex after starting a Soundcite 
> the Soundcite play icon reverts to "play" rather than "playing" when you 
> reopen the strex. Which means user might start it twice. Minor issue. 
> UPDATE: Stuff in red I can no longer replicate.
>
> --- I think its *brilliant* you can launch a sound file and close a 
> tiddler that launched it and it carries on playing! Exactly what a jukebox 
> is!  But, is there possibility of a global "Stop" button? I.e. terminate 
> the running instances of Soundcite?
>
> Many thanks. Great tool.
> TT
>
> On Friday, 12 June 2020 18:06:14 UTC+2, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Florian 
>>
>> I'm doing some playing around combining it with STREX. 
>>
>> SOUNDCITE is very well made. Though the advice is to use it for short 
>> clips. Its also quite useable as a jukebox. Fits very well with TW!
>>
>> IMPORTANT it carries on playing *even when you close a Tiddler that 
>> started it*. That is exactly what makes a great jukebox!
>>
>> I'll play some more & give an example.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>> On Thursday, 11 June 2020 06:09:58 UTC+2, Florian Kohrt wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you! 
>>>
>>> Yeah, you're right, I added some demos: 
>>>
>>> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#:%5B%5BSoundCite%20Demo%5D%5D%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite
>>>  
>>>
>>> Am 10.06.20 um 20:45 schrieb TiddlyTweeter: 
>>> > This is seriously interesting ... Most elegant. 
>>> > 
>>> > I think you need add some examples in normal tiddlers to show it off 
>>> > like like ... 
>>> > 
>>> > | 
>>> > Thisissome <>> > "
>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Beet5mov1bars1to5.ogg""Beethoven;>>just
>>>  
>>>
>>> > to //dud-ahhh-da-dahhh//. 
>>> > | 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > | 
>>> > [[GeeshieWiley's|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geeshie_Wiley]] 
>>> > <>> > "
>>> https://ia801007.us.archive.org/7/items/cd_country-blues-the-essential-disc-1_various-artists-buddy-moss-california-dese/disc2/02.15.%20Geeshie%20Wiley%20-%20Last%20Kind%20Words%20Blues%20-%20Geeshie%20Wiley_sample.mp3;
>>>  
>>>
>>> > "THE LAST KIND WORDS">> is a superb song from the South. Recorded 
>>> around 
>>> > 1930 
>>> > | 
>>> > 
>>> > Looks like ... 
>>> > 
>>> > Annotation 2020-06-10 204237.jpg 
>>> > 
>>> > Good stuff! 
>>> > 
>>> > Best wishes 
>>> > TT 
>>> > 
>>> > On Wednesday, 10 June 2020 19:37:45 UTC+2, fkohrt wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio 
>>> > behind text. 
>>> > 
>>> > Demo: 
>>> > 
>>> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
>>> > <
>>> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite> 
>>>
>>> > 
>>> > Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
>>> >  
>>> > 
>>> > It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more 
>>> > advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
>>> >  
>>> > 
>>> > The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags 
>>> and 
>>> > inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case 
>>> Wiki 
>>> > Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if 
>>> you 
>>> > build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
>>> > 
>>> > Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really 
>>> not 
>>> > that 
>>> > much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, 
>>> as 
>>> > it's 
>>> > my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Florian

Here is online: using your plugin with Strex 

 example.

I was interested, really in making "contextual jukeboxes". It works well!

No nesting yet. But its neat in its simplicity I think.

A couple issues came up. No big deal. 

--- Main one was that if you collapse a Strex after starting a Soundcite 
the Soundcite play icon reverts to "play" rather than "playing" when you 
reopen the strex. Which means user might start it twice. Minor issue.

--- I think its *brilliant* you can launch a sound file and close a tiddler 
that launched it and it carries on playing! Exactly what a jukebox is!  
But, is there possibility of a global "Stop" button? I.e. terminate the 
running instances of Soundcite?

Many thanks. Great tool.
TT

On Friday, 12 June 2020 18:06:14 UTC+2, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Florian 
>
> I'm doing some playing around combining it with STREX. 
>
> SOUNDCITE is very well made. Though the advice is to use it for short 
> clips. Its also quite useable as a jukebox. Fits very well with TW!
>
> IMPORTANT it carries on playing *even when you close a Tiddler that 
> started it*. That is exactly what makes a great jukebox!
>
> I'll play some more & give an example.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
> On Thursday, 11 June 2020 06:09:58 UTC+2, Florian Kohrt wrote:
>>
>> Thank you! 
>>
>> Yeah, you're right, I added some demos: 
>>
>> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#:%5B%5BSoundCite%20Demo%5D%5D%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite
>>  
>>
>> Am 10.06.20 um 20:45 schrieb TiddlyTweeter: 
>> > This is seriously interesting ... Most elegant. 
>> > 
>> > I think you need add some examples in normal tiddlers to show it off 
>> > like like ... 
>> > 
>> > | 
>> > Thisissome <> > "
>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Beet5mov1bars1to5.ogg""Beethoven;>>just
>>  
>>
>> > to //dud-ahhh-da-dahhh//. 
>> > | 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > | 
>> > [[GeeshieWiley's|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geeshie_Wiley]] 
>> > <> > "
>> https://ia801007.us.archive.org/7/items/cd_country-blues-the-essential-disc-1_various-artists-buddy-moss-california-dese/disc2/02.15.%20Geeshie%20Wiley%20-%20Last%20Kind%20Words%20Blues%20-%20Geeshie%20Wiley_sample.mp3;
>>  
>>
>> > "THE LAST KIND WORDS">> is a superb song from the South. Recorded 
>> around 
>> > 1930 
>> > | 
>> > 
>> > Looks like ... 
>> > 
>> > Annotation 2020-06-10 204237.jpg 
>> > 
>> > Good stuff! 
>> > 
>> > Best wishes 
>> > TT 
>> > 
>> > On Wednesday, 10 June 2020 19:37:45 UTC+2, fkohrt wrote: 
>> > 
>> > I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio 
>> > behind text. 
>> > 
>> > Demo: 
>> > 
>> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
>> > <
>> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite> 
>>
>> > 
>> > Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more 
>> > advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags 
>> and 
>> > inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case 
>> Wiki 
>> > Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you 
>> > build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
>> > 
>> > Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not 
>> > that 
>> > much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as 
>> > it's 
>> > my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Florian

Just FYI, your plugin got considerable interest on Twitter ...

https://twitter.com/TiddlyTweeter/status/1271165554536185857

TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Florian 

I'm doing some playing around combining it with STREX. 

SOUNDCITE is very well made. Though the advice is to use it for short 
clips. Its also quite useable as a jukebox. Fits very well with TW!

IMPORTANT it carries on playing *even when you close a Tiddler that started 
it*. That is exactly what makes a great jukebox!

I'll play some more & give an example.

Best wishes
TT

On Thursday, 11 June 2020 06:09:58 UTC+2, Florian Kohrt wrote:
>
> Thank you! 
>
> Yeah, you're right, I added some demos: 
>
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#:%5B%5BSoundCite%20Demo%5D%5D%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite
>  
>
> Am 10.06.20 um 20:45 schrieb TiddlyTweeter: 
> > This is seriously interesting ... Most elegant. 
> > 
> > I think you need add some examples in normal tiddlers to show it off 
> > like like ... 
> > 
> > | 
> > Thisissome < > "
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Beet5mov1bars1to5.ogg""Beethoven;>>just
>  
>
> > to //dud-ahhh-da-dahhh//. 
> > | 
> > 
> > 
> > | 
> > [[GeeshieWiley's|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geeshie_Wiley]] 
> > < > "
> https://ia801007.us.archive.org/7/items/cd_country-blues-the-essential-disc-1_various-artists-buddy-moss-california-dese/disc2/02.15.%20Geeshie%20Wiley%20-%20Last%20Kind%20Words%20Blues%20-%20Geeshie%20Wiley_sample.mp3;
>  
>
> > "THE LAST KIND WORDS">> is a superb song from the South. Recorded around 
> > 1930 
> > | 
> > 
> > Looks like ... 
> > 
> > Annotation 2020-06-10 204237.jpg 
> > 
> > Good stuff! 
> > 
> > Best wishes 
> > TT 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, 10 June 2020 19:37:45 UTC+2, fkohrt wrote: 
> > 
> > I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio 
> > behind text. 
> > 
> > Demo: 
> > 
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
> > <
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite> 
>
> > 
> > Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
> >  
> > 
> > It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more 
> > advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
> >  
> > 
> > The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and 
> > inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case 
> Wiki 
> > Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you 
> > build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
> > 
> > Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not 
> > that 
> > much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as 
> > it's 
> > my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Ste Wilson]

But adaptive tests would be brilliant too :)

On Friday, 12 June 2020 09:33:55 UTC+1, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
>
> Sorry about the thread hijack :(
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> Quick mockup:
>
> I was thinking something like the attached, but also perhaps just being 
> able to collapse the middle in/ out of a more traditional layout: 
> http://stephenteacher.tiddlyspot.com/#Gay%20Lussac%20Worked%20Example
>
> On Friday, 12 June 2020 07:35:11 UTC+1, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> Ste,
>>
>> Your Maths questions Idea, Sounds a little like an adaptive test, or 
>> questionnaire. The content depends on previous answers. . Tiddlywiki is a 
>> great tool to implement this. As I will one day.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 4:18:30 PM UTC+10, Ste Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>> I did contemplate doing the stretch text type thing for answers to maths 
>>> questions where the default solution goes straight to the solution and then 
>>> stretches break down each step to get there so students could drill down to 
>>> the level of support they needed... But I've never quite worked up to doing 
>>> it as its effort enough putting up a good worked example! 
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TW Tones]

Ste,

Your Maths questions Idea, Sounds a little like an adaptive test, or 
questionnaire. The content depends on previous answers. . Tiddlywiki is a 
great tool to implement this. As I will one day.

Regards
Tony



On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 4:18:30 PM UTC+10, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> I did contemplate doing the stretch text type thing for answers to maths 
> questions where the default solution goes straight to the solution and then 
> stretches break down each step to get there so students could drill down to 
> the level of support they needed... But I've never quite worked up to doing 
> it as its effort enough putting up a good worked example! 

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Ste Wilson]

I did contemplate doing the stretch text type thing for answers to maths 
questions where the default solution goes straight to the solution and then 
stretches break down each step to get there so students could drill down to the 
level of support they needed... But I've never quite worked up to doing it as 
its effort enough putting up a good worked example! 

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Florian wrote:
>
> ... discovered some of them, e. g. Thomas Elmiger's 
> > https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#TextStretch 
>
 

> While I do like the way it is presented very much, I don't feel 
> comfortable with the workflow required to create the stretch text. I am 
> intrigued by the idea to present information in variable depth, 
> originating from only one source. But creating longer samples is no fun, 
> see e. g. the source of the following strex sample (using text from the 
> Heinrich von Kleist, known for his long sentences): 
>
 

> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tiddlywiki-stuff/#Kleist%3A%20Kohlhaas 


 That is a great example!!

You are right it can be very demanding building one, especially once you 
start nesting.
Part of that problem is,  I think, not just the tool per se, its mentally 
visualising what to do.
At least I quickly get confused!

One thing might be to use CSS with strex during the construction with all 
strex expanded.
CSS cascade could color different strex levels in the render. Only needed 
to help building one.
Off in finished version.
A thought. 

Best wishes
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Florian]

Am 11.06.20 um 20:41 schrieb TiddlyTweeter:
> Florian wrote:
> 
> Oh thanks, I already discovered some of them, e. g. Thomas Elmiger's
> https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#TextStretch
> 
> 
> 
> His version inspired off an earlier version by Mat, I think. I can't
> find it.
>  
> 
> (For a comprehensive overview one should probably consider reveal,
> footnote, tooltip/mouseover/popup plugins as well, as they do
> conceptually similar things, with varying degree of distraction from
> the
> text.
> 
> 
> IF you wanna do an enhanced Telmiger I'm sure he would be happy. :-)
> 
> Progressive reveal is the essence, yes. But in the original its quite
> focused on not "jumping" modality. Mainly text expansion.
> 
> In any case, slow stepped TEXT reveal in (paragraph) context is quite
> rare, actually.

While I do like the way it is presented very much, I don't feel
comfortable with the workflow required to create the stretch text. I am
intrigued by the idea to present information in variable depth,
originating from only one source. But creating longer samples is no fun,
see e. g. the source of the following strex sample (using text from the
Heinrich von Kleist, known for his long sentences):
https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tiddlywiki-stuff/#Kleist%3A%20Kohlhaas

> Just a comment.
> TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Birthe C]

Mats version http://stretchtext.tiddlyspot.com/

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 8:41:55 PM UTC+2, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Florian wrote:
>>
>> Oh thanks, I already discovered some of them, e. g. Thomas Elmiger's 
>> https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#TextStretch 
>>
>
> His version inspired off an earlier version by Mat, I think. I can't find 
> it.
>  
>
>> (For a comprehensive overview one should probably consider reveal, 
>> footnote, tooltip/mouseover/popup plugins as well, as they do 
>> conceptually similar things, with varying degree of distraction from the 
>> text.
>
>
> IF you wanna do an enhanced Telmiger I'm sure he would be happy. :-)
>
> Progressive reveal is the essence, yes. But in the original its quite 
> focused on not "jumping" modality. Mainly text expansion.
>
> In any case, slow stepped TEXT reveal in (paragraph) context is quite 
> rare, actually.
>
> Just a comment.
> TT
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Florian wrote:
>
> Oh thanks, I already discovered some of them, e. g. Thomas Elmiger's 
> https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#TextStretch 
>

His version inspired off an earlier version by Mat, I think. I can't find 
it.
 

> (For a comprehensive overview one should probably consider reveal, 
> footnote, tooltip/mouseover/popup plugins as well, as they do 
> conceptually similar things, with varying degree of distraction from the 
> text.


IF you wanna do an enhanced Telmiger I'm sure he would be happy. :-)

Progressive reveal is the essence, yes. But in the original its quite 
focused on not "jumping" modality. Mainly text expansion.

In any case, slow stepped TEXT reveal in (paragraph) context is quite rare, 
actually.

Just a comment.
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

The Slider in that is interesting ..

Florian wrote:
>
>
> ... I recently stumbled upon another version that's more sophisticated and 
> probably closer to the original vision: https://getcoleman.com/ 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Florian]

Oh thanks, I already discovered some of them, e. g. Thomas Elmiger's
https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#TextStretch
(For a comprehensive overview one should probably consider reveal,
footnote, tooltip/mouseover/popup plugins as well, as they do
conceptually similar things, with varying degree of distraction from the
text. A little bit off-topic, but also very interesting if you read
German:
)

I recently stumbled upon another version that's more sophisticated and
probably closer to the original vision: https://getcoleman.com/

Am 11.06.20 um 18:32 schrieb TiddlyTweeter:
> Florian
> 
> Just FYI we have two versions of Stretch Text in TW!
> 
> If interested let me know & I'll try hunt  them down.
> Might be interesting to see if sound cites can be embedded in them!
> 
> TT
> 
> On Thursday, 11 June 2020 17:23:50 UTC+2, Florian wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Tony! Yeah, it's a bit like an audio version of Ted Nelson's 
>> StretchText. 
>>
>> I just added some docs on how to customize the colors and the progress 
>> animation. 
>>
>> Am 11.06.20 um 15:06 schrieb TW Tones: 
>>> fkohrt, 
>>>
>>> Just to be clear I really like this solution because it allows us to 
>>> treat audio like we do tiddler titles. 
>>>
>>>   * The audio can sit in tiddler content just as a link, tiddler link, 
>>> transclusion etc.. can. 
>>>   * It is the most minimal interface you could get to an audio payer but 
>>> feels so true to tiddlywikis way of doing things. 
>>>
>>> Thanks Heaps. 
>>>
>>> Regards 
>>> Tony 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:25:26 AM UTC+10, TW Tones wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> fkohrt 
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing this to the community. It does take audio closer 
>>> to the way tiddlywiki works and makes me wonder how we may make 
>>> tiddlers that represent audio similarly to images, even external 
>>> images. 
>>> The idea of audio to illustrate the text is also great adding a 
>>> further dimension.  
>>>
>>> Quite timely for me as a friend is producing audio for sales to pod 
>>> casters 
>>>
>>> Thank you 
>>> Tony 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 3:37:45 AM UTC+10, fkohrt wrote: 
>>>
>>> I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio 
>>> behind text. 
>>>
>>> Demo: 
>>> 
>> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
>>> <
>> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite> 
>>
>>>
>>> Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
>>>  
>>>
>>> It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few 
>> more 
>>> advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
>>>  
>>>
>>> The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags 
>>> and 
>>> inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case 
>>> Wiki 
>>> Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if 
>> you 
>>> build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
>>>
>>> Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really 
>>> not that 
>>> much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, 
>>> as it's 
>>> my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Florian

Just FYI we have two version of Stretch Text in TW!

If interested let me know & I'll try hunt  them down.
Might be interesting to see if sound cites can be embedded in them!

TT

On Thursday, 11 June 2020 17:23:50 UTC+2, Florian wrote:
>
> Thank you Tony! Yeah, it's a bit like an audio version of Ted Nelson's 
> StretchText. 
>
> I just added some docs on how to customize the colors and the progress 
> animation. 
>
> Am 11.06.20 um 15:06 schrieb TW Tones: 
> > fkohrt, 
> > 
> > Just to be clear I really like this solution because it allows us to 
> > treat audio like we do tiddler titles. 
> > 
> >   * The audio can sit in tiddler content just as a link, tiddler link, 
> > transclusion etc.. can. 
> >   * It is the most minimal interface you could get to an audio payer but 
> > feels so true to tiddlywikis way of doing things. 
> > 
> > Thanks Heaps. 
> > 
> > Regards 
> > Tony 
> > 
> > On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:25:26 AM UTC+10, TW Tones wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > fkohrt 
> > 
> > Thanks for sharing this to the community. It does take audio closer 
> > to the way tiddlywiki works and makes me wonder how we may make 
> > tiddlers that represent audio similarly to images, even external 
> > images. 
> > The idea of audio to illustrate the text is also great adding a 
> > further dimension.  
> > 
> > Quite timely for me as a friend is producing audio for sales to pod 
> > casters 
> > 
> > Thank you 
> > Tony 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 3:37:45 AM UTC+10, fkohrt wrote: 
> > 
> > I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio 
> > behind text. 
> > 
> > Demo: 
> > 
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
> > <
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite> 
>
> > 
> > Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
> >  
> > 
> > It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few 
> more 
> > advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
> >  
> > 
> > The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags 
> > and 
> > inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case 
> > Wiki 
> > Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if 
> you 
> > build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
> > 
> > Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really 
> > not that 
> > much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, 
> > as it's 
> > my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Florian]

Thank you Tony! Yeah, it's a bit like an audio version of Ted Nelson's
StretchText.

I just added some docs on how to customize the colors and the progress
animation.

Am 11.06.20 um 15:06 schrieb TW Tones:
> fkohrt,
> 
> Just to be clear I really like this solution because it allows us to
> treat audio like we do tiddler titles.
> 
>   * The audio can sit in tiddler content just as a link, tiddler link,
> transclusion etc.. can.
>   * It is the most minimal interface you could get to an audio payer but
> feels so true to tiddlywikis way of doing things.
> 
> Thanks Heaps.
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:25:26 AM UTC+10, TW Tones wrote:
> 
> 
> fkohrt
> 
> Thanks for sharing this to the community. It does take audio closer
> to the way tiddlywiki works and makes me wonder how we may make
> tiddlers that represent audio similarly to images, even external
> images.
> The idea of audio to illustrate the text is also great adding a
> further dimension. 
> 
> Quite timely for me as a friend is producing audio for sales to pod
> casters
> 
> Thank you
> Tony
> 
> 
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 3:37:45 AM UTC+10, fkohrt wrote:
> 
> I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio
> behind text.
> 
> Demo:
> 
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite
> 
> 
> 
> Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite
> 
> 
> It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more
> advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/
> 
> 
> The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags
> and
> inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case
> Wiki
> Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you
> build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it!
> 
> Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really
> not that
> much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated,
> as it's
> my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe...

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TW Tones]

fkohrt,

Just to be clear I really like this solution because it allows us to treat 
audio like we do tiddler titles.

   - The audio can sit in tiddler content just as a link, tiddler link, 
   transclusion etc.. can. 
   - It is the most minimal interface you could get to an audio payer but 
   feels so true to tiddlywikis way of doing things.

Thanks Heaps.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:25:26 AM UTC+10, TW Tones wrote:
>
>
> fkohrt
>
> Thanks for sharing this to the community. It does take audio closer to the 
> way tiddlywiki works and makes me wonder how we may make tiddlers that 
> represent audio similarly to images, even external images. 
> The idea of audio to illustrate the text is also great adding a further 
> dimension. 
>
> Quite timely for me as a friend is producing audio for sales to pod 
> casters
>
> Thank you
> Tony
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 3:37:45 AM UTC+10, fkohrt wrote:
>>
>> I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio behind 
>> text. 
>>
>> Demo: 
>> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
>> Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
>>
>> It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more 
>> advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
>>
>> The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and 
>> inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case Wiki 
>> Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you 
>> build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
>>
>> Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not that 
>> much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as it's 
>> my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

There might be a way to selectively switch off parsing for Camel Case of 
that.

I don't know enough to be sure. If you feel there is sufficient interest in 
SoundCite plugin you might ask specifically about that in the Dev group.

Best wishes
TT

On Wednesday, 10 June 2020 21:48:44 UTC+2, Florian wrote:
>
> What happens is that inside the JavaScript code [1] the terms 
> `PopcornClip` and `SoundCloudClip` are turned into HTML links: 
>
> `new soundcite.PopcornClip(el);` becomes `new soundcite. class="tc-tiddlylink tc-tiddlylink-missing" 
> href="#PopcornClip">PopcornClip(el);` 
>
> and 
>
> `new soundcite.SoundCloudClip(el);` becomes `new soundcite. class="tc-tiddlylink tc-tiddlylink-missing" 
> href="#SoundCloudClip">SoundCloudClip(el);` 
>
> [1]: 
> https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite/-/blob/7301edb0/macro.tid#L13-15 
>
> Am 10.06.20 um 21:34 schrieb TiddlyTweeter: 
> > Regarding CamelCase, is it blocking it? What is the issue? 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, 10 June 2020 19:37:45 UTC+2, fkohrt wrote: 
> > 
> > I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio 
> > behind text. 
> > 
> > Demo: 
> > 
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
> > <
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite> 
>
> > 
> > Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
> >  
> > 
> > It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more 
> > advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
> >  
> > 
> > The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and 
> > inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case 
> Wiki 
> > Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you 
> > build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
> > 
> > Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not 
> > that 
> > much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as 
> > it's 
> > my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Florian Kohrt]

Thank you!

Yeah, you're right, I added some demos:
https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#:%5B%5BSoundCite%20Demo%5D%5D%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite

Am 10.06.20 um 20:45 schrieb TiddlyTweeter:
> This is seriously interesting ... Most elegant.
> 
> I think you need add some examples in normal tiddlers to show it off
> like like ...
> 
> |
> Thisissome < "https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Beet5mov1bars1to5.ogg""Beethoven;>>just
> to //dud-ahhh-da-dahhh//.
> |
> 
> 
> |
> [[GeeshieWiley's|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geeshie_Wiley]]
> < "https://ia801007.us.archive.org/7/items/cd_country-blues-the-essential-disc-1_various-artists-buddy-moss-california-dese/disc2/02.15.%20Geeshie%20Wiley%20-%20Last%20Kind%20Words%20Blues%20-%20Geeshie%20Wiley_sample.mp3;
> "THE LAST KIND WORDS">> is a superb song from the South. Recorded around
> 1930
> |
> 
> Looks like ...
> 
> Annotation 2020-06-10 204237.jpg
> 
> Good stuff!
> 
> Best wishes
> TT
> 
> On Wednesday, 10 June 2020 19:37:45 UTC+2, fkohrt wrote:
> 
> I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio
> behind text.
> 
> Demo:
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite
> 
> 
> 
> Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite
> 
> 
> It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more
> advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/
> 
> 
> The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and
> inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case Wiki
> Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you
> build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it!
> 
> Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not
> that
> much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as
> it's
> my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe...

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[David Gifford]

Added to the Toolmap under the media section!

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 12:37:45 PM UTC-5, fkohrt wrote:
>
> I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio behind 
> text. 
>
> Demo: 
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
> Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
>
> It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more 
> advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
>
> The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and 
> inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case Wiki 
> Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you 
> build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
>
> Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not that 
> much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as it's 
> my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TonyM]

fkohrt

Thanks for sharing this to the community. It does take audio closer to the 
way tiddlywiki works and makes me wonder how we may make tiddlers that 
represent audio similarly to images, even external images. 
The idea of audio to illustrate the text is also great adding a further 
dimension. 

Quite timely for me as a friend is producing audio for sales to pod casters

Thank you
Tony
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 3:37:45 AM UTC+10, fkohrt wrote:
>
> I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio behind 
> text. 
>
> Demo: 
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
> Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
>
> It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more 
> advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
>
> The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and 
> inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case Wiki 
> Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you 
> build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
>
> Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not that 
> much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as it's 
> my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[Florian]

What happens is that inside the JavaScript code [1] the terms
`PopcornClip` and `SoundCloudClip` are turned into HTML links:

`new soundcite.PopcornClip(el);` becomes `new soundcite.PopcornClip(el);`

and

`new soundcite.SoundCloudClip(el);` becomes `new soundcite.SoundCloudClip(el);`

[1]:
https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite/-/blob/7301edb0/macro.tid#L13-15

Am 10.06.20 um 21:34 schrieb TiddlyTweeter:
> Regarding CamelCase, is it blocking it? What is the issue?
> 
> On Wednesday, 10 June 2020 19:37:45 UTC+2, fkohrt wrote:
> 
> I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio
> behind text.
> 
> Demo:
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite
> 
> 
> 
> Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite
> 
> 
> It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more
> advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/
> 
> 
> The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and
> inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case Wiki
> Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you
> build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it!
> 
> Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not
> that
> much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as
> it's
> my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe...

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

Regarding CamelCase, is it blocking it? What is the issue?

On Wednesday, 10 June 2020 19:37:45 UTC+2, fkohrt wrote:
>
> I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio behind 
> text. 
>
> Demo: 
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
> Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
>
> It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more 
> advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
>
> The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and 
> inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case Wiki 
> Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you 
> build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
>
> Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not that 
> much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as it's 
> my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

I did some testing with larger MP3s at archive.org 

 Worked 
well.

Tx, TT

On Wednesday, 10 June 2020 19:37:45 UTC+2, fkohrt wrote:
>
> I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio behind 
> text. 
>
> Demo: 
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
> Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
>
> It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more 
> advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
>
> The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and 
> inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case Wiki 
> Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you 
> build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
>
> Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not that 
> much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as it's 
> my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TiddlyTweeter]

This is seriously interesting ... Most elegant.

I think you need add some examples in normal tiddlers to show it off like 
like ...

This is some > just to //dud-ahhh-da-dahhh//.


[[Geeshie Wiley's|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geeshie_Wiley]] > is a superb song from the South. Recorded around 
1930

Looks like ...

[image: Annotation 2020-06-10 204237.jpg]

Good stuff!

Best wishes
TT

On Wednesday, 10 June 2020 19:37:45 UTC+2, fkohrt wrote:
>
> I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio behind 
> text. 
>
> Demo: 
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
> Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
>
> It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more 
> advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
>
> The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and 
> inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case Wiki 
> Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you 
> build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
>
> Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not that 
> much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as it's 
> my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>

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