[tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

[springer]

Thanks for the offer, Tones! Since I'm 90% happy at github, I won't try php 
anytime soon. 

My query (about whether a tutorial exists comparable to the one Mohammad 
posted for github) was more for the sake of others feeling stranded by the 
loss of tiddlyspot. Although there are lots of skill levels here, my guess 
is that among close-readers of this thread -- i.e., those still baffled how 
to re-home their tiddlyspot projects -- few have confidence with php 
configuration. 

Mark S's post above confirms my fears that cooperation from institutional 
IT folks may be required, which is enough for me to move php implementation 
to the "someday" list, though at least knowing that I may be able to 
consult with you here means it'll stay on my radar.

On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 6:26:49 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:

> Springer,
>
> I am sure you would understand that in the forum, there are many different 
> skill levels, it is unwise to write detailed answers when they may not be 
> needed, time cost money etc... but I ham happy to provide more details as 
> Mohammad did when asked. Personally I have a hosting service and the 
> tw-receiver doco was almost sufficient.
>
> Perhaps start a thread in hosting tiddlywiki on cpanel/php/apache hosts 
> and we can cover it there. Its quite simple with a little extra tips.
>
> Tones
>
>
>
> On Friday, 4 December 2020 at 18:31:54 UTC+11 springer wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones,
>>
>> To folks who speak server-talk, phrases like "a standard php server with 
>> tw-receiver" and "the store.php" are surely as clear as day. And I 
>> appreciate that your reply is a gesture of generous helpfulness.
>>
>> To someone like me, unpacking even those casual phrases is a risky 
>> investment of time. Even assuming that the server space I can use at my 
>> university is/has "standard" php (though I wouldn't know how to check 
>> that), I don't grasp what it would take to equip (?) it with tw-receiver, 
>> or whether tw-receiver lives (?) there at the server (and may require 
>> getting an IT person to approve/help) or whether "receiver" implies that I 
>> need to get it set up (?) at my end... , etc. 
>>
>> Yes, I could grope around for some clarity on these matters... OK... a 
>> quick google gets me as far as this page 
>> , where I learn that 
>> tw-receiver apparently has both a tw-plugin component and a server-side 
>> file to install... ok... But then a bit further along I read that "You will 
>> likely have to make server side adjustments; things like setting directory 
>> permissions or ini configurations like max upload sizes". Meh. This is more 
>> server-speak; it assumes that I can orient to whether and how I need to 
>> make adjustments to "ini configurations" and "things like that" ([insert 
>> emoji for blank stare])  ... and having never done anything at all with php 
>> before, I just can't tell how long, or how steep, this learning-curve will 
>> be, and what the odds are that, one or two hours in, I'll hit a brick wall 
>> of some kind.
>>
>> The only reason I was able to work it out with GitHub was because of 
>> Mohammad's very careful step-by-step tutorial, written so that even I could 
>> understand it. Might something comparable be available for setting up a php 
>> server and getting tw-receiver up and running with it?
>>
>> (As I mentioned to Alvin, I'm pretty content with the GitHub saver for 
>> now, since it really does let TW5 behave over https in the Tiddlyspot way. 
>> But I'm replying on behalf of other muggles who feel stranded by the loss 
>> of tiddlyspot.)
>> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 9:41:15 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Springer, Alvin.
>>>
>>> Now days I only access my legacy TWC files via TiddlyDesktop, But TW5 is 
>>> fine to host on a standard php server with tw-receiver. I believe the 
>>> store.php used to work with TWC and
>>>  I believe this has being discussed in 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywikiclassic.
>>>
>>> Otherwise its easy to use Timimi from my desktop on a webdisk or that is 
>>> synchronised.
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> Tones
>>> On Friday, 4 December 2020 at 13:05:04 UTC+11 springer wrote:
>>>
 Alvin,

 I agree that losing TiddlySpot is a pain for anyone who really needs TW 
 projects to be both spontaneously edited (from anywhere) and instantly 
 available via a potentially-public url.

 GitHub is the only solution I've found that does meet these conditions 
 (without being a server administrator or being a coding expert). 

 The good news: As soon as you successfully set up GitHub once 
 (configuring the right authentication for saving), adding additional 
 tiddlywiki files in the same "repo" (repository) is VERY easy. Unlike 
 tiddlyspot, you can have even GitHub use the same password authentication 
 handshake for each of your five wikis. As with tiddlyspot, once the 
 password is set up on a given computer-browser syst

[tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

[TW Tones]

Springer,

I am sure you would understand that in the forum, there are many different 
skill levels, it is unwise to write detailed answers when they may not be 
needed, time cost money etc... but I ham happy to provide more details as 
Mohammad did when asked. Personally I have a hosting service and the 
tw-receiver doco was almost sufficient.

Perhaps start a thread in hosting tiddlywiki on cpanel/php/apache hosts and 
we can cover it there. Its quite simple with a little extra tips.

Tones



On Friday, 4 December 2020 at 18:31:54 UTC+11 springer wrote:

> Hi Tones,
>
> To folks who speak server-talk, phrases like "a standard php server with 
> tw-receiver" and "the store.php" are surely as clear as day. And I 
> appreciate that your reply is a gesture of generous helpfulness.
>
> To someone like me, unpacking even those casual phrases is a risky 
> investment of time. Even assuming that the server space I can use at my 
> university is/has "standard" php (though I wouldn't know how to check 
> that), I don't grasp what it would take to equip (?) it with tw-receiver, 
> or whether tw-receiver lives (?) there at the server (and may require 
> getting an IT person to approve/help) or whether "receiver" implies that I 
> need to get it set up (?) at my end... , etc. 
>
> Yes, I could grope around for some clarity on these matters... OK... a 
> quick google gets me as far as this page 
> , where I learn that 
> tw-receiver apparently has both a tw-plugin component and a server-side 
> file to install... ok... But then a bit further along I read that "You will 
> likely have to make server side adjustments; things like setting directory 
> permissions or ini configurations like max upload sizes". Meh. This is more 
> server-speak; it assumes that I can orient to whether and how I need to 
> make adjustments to "ini configurations" and "things like that" ([insert 
> emoji for blank stare])  ... and having never done anything at all with php 
> before, I just can't tell how long, or how steep, this learning-curve will 
> be, and what the odds are that, one or two hours in, I'll hit a brick wall 
> of some kind.
>
> The only reason I was able to work it out with GitHub was because of 
> Mohammad's very careful step-by-step tutorial, written so that even I could 
> understand it. Might something comparable be available for setting up a php 
> server and getting tw-receiver up and running with it?
>
> (As I mentioned to Alvin, I'm pretty content with the GitHub saver for 
> now, since it really does let TW5 behave over https in the Tiddlyspot way. 
> But I'm replying on behalf of other muggles who feel stranded by the loss 
> of tiddlyspot.)
> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 9:41:15 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Springer, Alvin.
>>
>> Now days I only access my legacy TWC files via TiddlyDesktop, But TW5 is 
>> fine to host on a standard php server with tw-receiver. I believe the 
>> store.php used to work with TWC and
>>  I believe this has being discussed in 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywikiclassic.
>>
>> Otherwise its easy to use Timimi from my desktop on a webdisk or that is 
>> synchronised.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> Tones
>> On Friday, 4 December 2020 at 13:05:04 UTC+11 springer wrote:
>>
>>> Alvin,
>>>
>>> I agree that losing TiddlySpot is a pain for anyone who really needs TW 
>>> projects to be both spontaneously edited (from anywhere) and instantly 
>>> available via a potentially-public url.
>>>
>>> GitHub is the only solution I've found that does meet these conditions 
>>> (without being a server administrator or being a coding expert). 
>>>
>>> The good news: As soon as you successfully set up GitHub once 
>>> (configuring the right authentication for saving), adding additional 
>>> tiddlywiki files in the same "repo" (repository) is VERY easy. Unlike 
>>> tiddlyspot, you can have even GitHub use the same password authentication 
>>> handshake for each of your five wikis. As with tiddlyspot, once the 
>>> password is set up on a given computer-browser system (and especially if 
>>> you configure auto-save), future visits are just smooth as can be. 
>>>
>>> I also have domain names and access to server space, but have not yet 
>>> found a way to use these resources to set up TW5 projects so that they are 
>>> editable over https: browser access. In theory, GitHub can be a 
>>> ventriloquist and allow your files to be accessed by way of your custom 
>>> domain name's url system. So far, my attempts to follow directions to set 
>>> that up have stumbled. So I can't confirm that it's easy, but I'm 
>>> determined to return to the question when I have another chunk of 
>>> troubleshooting time on my hands. In the meantime, I'm finding the 
>>> github.com urls fairly easy to work with. 
>>>
>>> -Springer
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 5:36:56 PM UTC-5 Alvin wrote:
>>>
 Thank you to everybody that has replied.

 I have about five tiddlyspot fi

Re: [tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

[Alvin Orzechowski]

Thanx, Mark.

My TiddlySpot files are password protected because once I had a bad
experience. I also stopped putting unencrypted passwords in them.

I might want to play with GitHub pages as an amusement, but, from what you
said, not for this application.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 1:35 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Github has a thing called "Github pages". It let's you serve up your files
> like a web server. You can use it in conjunction with Github saver. It's a
> little messy to set up the first time.
>
> Thus your SO could just bring up your page and look at it.
>
> For github pages your repository has to be public. So if your data is
> private, you would want to use an encrypted TW. You could then share the
> password with your SO. You would need to be carefully to ONLY save versions
> of your file that have been encrypted. If you accidentally save without
> encryption, GH will remember that commit forever.
>
>
> On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 7:50:32 AM UTC-8 Alvin wrote:
>
>> Again, thank you, thank you for all the replies.
>>
>> I do a little PHP programming, so I know the hosting service I use
>> provides that.
>>
>> I have the TiddlyDesktop which I use for the very first TiddlyWiki files
>> I have because there's old information there that I've sometimes copied
>> into my TiddlySpot files.
>>
>> Wonderful thing about TiddlySpot is that when I'm on the road without a
>> computer, I can call back home and have my SO look things up for me. I've
>> done that often.
>>
>> I like GitHub, but would accessing my TiddlySpot files there be
>> complicated for a non-geek?
>>
>> You guys are great! If I could do it, I'd offer a round of chocolate for
>> everybody.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 9:05 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It *is* complicated. Not exactly an easy solution, and usually not free.
>>>
>>> I suspect your university wouldn't want non-IT people setting up
>>> public-facing PHP-based servers.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Github has a thing called "Github pages". It let's you serve up your files 
like a web server. You can use it in conjunction with Github saver. It's a 
little messy to set up the first time.

Thus your SO could just bring up your page and look at it.

For github pages your repository has to be public. So if your data is 
private, you would want to use an encrypted TW. You could then share the 
password with your SO. You would need to be carefully to ONLY save versions 
of your file that have been encrypted. If you accidentally save without 
encryption, GH will remember that commit forever. 


On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 7:50:32 AM UTC-8 Alvin wrote:

> Again, thank you, thank you for all the replies.
>
> I do a little PHP programming, so I know the hosting service I use 
> provides that.
>
> I have the TiddlyDesktop which I use for the very first TiddlyWiki files I 
> have because there's old information there that I've sometimes copied into 
> my TiddlySpot files. 
>
> Wonderful thing about TiddlySpot is that when I'm on the road without a 
> computer, I can call back home and have my SO look things up for me. I've 
> done that often.
>
> I like GitHub, but would accessing my TiddlySpot files there be 
> complicated for a non-geek?
>
> You guys are great! If I could do it, I'd offer a round of chocolate for 
> everybody.
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 9:05 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> It *is* complicated. Not exactly an easy solution, and usually not free.
>>
>> I suspect your university wouldn't want non-IT people setting up 
>> public-facing PHP-based servers.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

[Alvin Orzechowski]

Again, thank you, thank you for all the replies.

I do a little PHP programming, so I know the hosting service I use provides
that.

I have the TiddlyDesktop which I use for the very first TiddlyWiki files I
have because there's old information there that I've sometimes copied into
my TiddlySpot files.

Wonderful thing about TiddlySpot is that when I'm on the road without a
computer, I can call back home and have my SO look things up for me. I've
done that often.

I like GitHub, but would accessing my TiddlySpot files there be complicated
for a non-geek?

You guys are great! If I could do it, I'd offer a round of chocolate for
everybody.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 9:05 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> It *is* complicated. Not exactly an easy solution, and usually not free.
>
> I suspect your university wouldn't want non-IT people setting up
> public-facing PHP-based servers.
>
> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 11:31:54 PM UTC-8 springer wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones,
>>
>> To folks who speak server-talk, phrases like "a standard php server with
>> tw-receiver" and "the store.php" are surely as clear as day. And I
>> appreciate that your reply is a gesture of generous helpfulness.
>>
>> To someone like me, unpacking even those casual phrases is a risky
>> investment of time. Even assuming that the server space I can use at my
>> university is/has "standard" php (though I wouldn't know how to check
>> that), I don't grasp what it would take to equip (?) it with tw-receiver,
>> or whether tw-receiver lives (?) there at the server (and may require
>> getting an IT person to approve/help) or whether "receiver" implies that I
>> need to get it set up (?) at my end... , etc.
>>
>> Yes, I could grope around for some clarity on these matters... OK... a
>> quick google gets me as far as this page
>> , where I learn that
>> tw-receiver apparently has both a tw-plugin component and a server-side
>> file to install... ok... But then a bit further along I read that "You will
>> likely have to make server side adjustments; things like setting directory
>> permissions or ini configurations like max upload sizes". Meh. This is more
>> server-speak; it assumes that I can orient to whether and how I need to
>> make adjustments to "ini configurations" and "things like that" ([insert
>> emoji for blank stare])  ... and having never done anything at all with php
>> before, I just can't tell how long, or how steep, this learning-curve will
>> be, and what the odds are that, one or two hours in, I'll hit a brick wall
>> of some kind.
>>
>> The only reason I was able to work it out with GitHub was because of
>> Mohammad's very careful step-by-step tutorial, written so that even I could
>> understand it. Might something comparable be available for setting up a php
>> server and getting tw-receiver up and running with it?
>>
>> (As I mentioned to Alvin, I'm pretty content with the GitHub saver for
>> now, since it really does let TW5 behave over https in the Tiddlyspot way.
>> But I'm replying on behalf of other muggles who feel stranded by the loss
>> of tiddlyspot.)
>> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 9:41:15 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Springer, Alvin.
>>>
>>> Now days I only access my legacy TWC files via TiddlyDesktop, But TW5 is
>>> fine to host on a standard php server with tw-receiver. I believe the
>>> store.php used to work with TWC and
>>>  I believe this has being discussed in
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywikiclassic.
>>>
>>> Otherwise its easy to use Timimi from my desktop on a webdisk or that is
>>> synchronised.
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> Tones
>>> On Friday, 4 December 2020 at 13:05:04 UTC+11 springer wrote:
>>>
 Alvin,

 I agree that losing TiddlySpot is a pain for anyone who really needs TW
 projects to be both spontaneously edited (from anywhere) and instantly
 available via a potentially-public url.

 GitHub is the only solution I've found that does meet these conditions
 (without being a server administrator or being a coding expert).

 The good news: As soon as you successfully set up GitHub once
 (configuring the right authentication for saving), adding additional
 tiddlywiki files in the same "repo" (repository) is VERY easy. Unlike
 tiddlyspot, you can have even GitHub use the same password authentication
 handshake for each of your five wikis. As with tiddlyspot, once the
 password is set up on a given computer-browser system (and especially if
 you configure auto-save), future visits are just smooth as can be.

 I also have domain names and access to server space, but have not yet
 found a way to use these resources to set up TW5 projects so that they are
 editable over https: browser access. In theory, GitHub can be a
 ventriloquist and allow your files to be accessed by way of your custom
 domain name's url system. So far, my attempts to follow

[tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It *is* complicated. Not exactly an easy solution, and usually not free.

I suspect your university wouldn't want non-IT people setting up 
public-facing PHP-based servers.

On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 11:31:54 PM UTC-8 springer wrote:

> Hi Tones,
>
> To folks who speak server-talk, phrases like "a standard php server with 
> tw-receiver" and "the store.php" are surely as clear as day. And I 
> appreciate that your reply is a gesture of generous helpfulness.
>
> To someone like me, unpacking even those casual phrases is a risky 
> investment of time. Even assuming that the server space I can use at my 
> university is/has "standard" php (though I wouldn't know how to check 
> that), I don't grasp what it would take to equip (?) it with tw-receiver, 
> or whether tw-receiver lives (?) there at the server (and may require 
> getting an IT person to approve/help) or whether "receiver" implies that I 
> need to get it set up (?) at my end... , etc. 
>
> Yes, I could grope around for some clarity on these matters... OK... a 
> quick google gets me as far as this page 
> , where I learn that 
> tw-receiver apparently has both a tw-plugin component and a server-side 
> file to install... ok... But then a bit further along I read that "You will 
> likely have to make server side adjustments; things like setting directory 
> permissions or ini configurations like max upload sizes". Meh. This is more 
> server-speak; it assumes that I can orient to whether and how I need to 
> make adjustments to "ini configurations" and "things like that" ([insert 
> emoji for blank stare])  ... and having never done anything at all with php 
> before, I just can't tell how long, or how steep, this learning-curve will 
> be, and what the odds are that, one or two hours in, I'll hit a brick wall 
> of some kind.
>
> The only reason I was able to work it out with GitHub was because of 
> Mohammad's very careful step-by-step tutorial, written so that even I could 
> understand it. Might something comparable be available for setting up a php 
> server and getting tw-receiver up and running with it?
>
> (As I mentioned to Alvin, I'm pretty content with the GitHub saver for 
> now, since it really does let TW5 behave over https in the Tiddlyspot way. 
> But I'm replying on behalf of other muggles who feel stranded by the loss 
> of tiddlyspot.)
> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 9:41:15 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Springer, Alvin.
>>
>> Now days I only access my legacy TWC files via TiddlyDesktop, But TW5 is 
>> fine to host on a standard php server with tw-receiver. I believe the 
>> store.php used to work with TWC and
>>  I believe this has being discussed in 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywikiclassic.
>>
>> Otherwise its easy to use Timimi from my desktop on a webdisk or that is 
>> synchronised.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> Tones
>> On Friday, 4 December 2020 at 13:05:04 UTC+11 springer wrote:
>>
>>> Alvin,
>>>
>>> I agree that losing TiddlySpot is a pain for anyone who really needs TW 
>>> projects to be both spontaneously edited (from anywhere) and instantly 
>>> available via a potentially-public url.
>>>
>>> GitHub is the only solution I've found that does meet these conditions 
>>> (without being a server administrator or being a coding expert). 
>>>
>>> The good news: As soon as you successfully set up GitHub once 
>>> (configuring the right authentication for saving), adding additional 
>>> tiddlywiki files in the same "repo" (repository) is VERY easy. Unlike 
>>> tiddlyspot, you can have even GitHub use the same password authentication 
>>> handshake for each of your five wikis. As with tiddlyspot, once the 
>>> password is set up on a given computer-browser system (and especially if 
>>> you configure auto-save), future visits are just smooth as can be. 
>>>
>>> I also have domain names and access to server space, but have not yet 
>>> found a way to use these resources to set up TW5 projects so that they are 
>>> editable over https: browser access. In theory, GitHub can be a 
>>> ventriloquist and allow your files to be accessed by way of your custom 
>>> domain name's url system. So far, my attempts to follow directions to set 
>>> that up have stumbled. So I can't confirm that it's easy, but I'm 
>>> determined to return to the question when I have another chunk of 
>>> troubleshooting time on my hands. In the meantime, I'm finding the 
>>> github.com urls fairly easy to work with. 
>>>
>>> -Springer
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 5:36:56 PM UTC-5 Alvin wrote:
>>>
 Thank you to everybody that has replied.

 I have about five tiddlyspot files, and it's not clear to me if I can 
 use GitHub for all of them.

 I have a little experience with Dropbox, enough that I closed my 
 account less than a week after I created it. So I don't want to use 
 Dropbox.

 I have a domain or two, and I can create subdomains, so I'd like to do 
>>>

[tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

[springer]

Hi Tones,

To folks who speak server-talk, phrases like "a standard php server with 
tw-receiver" and "the store.php" are surely as clear as day. And I 
appreciate that your reply is a gesture of generous helpfulness.

To someone like me, unpacking even those casual phrases is a risky 
investment of time. Even assuming that the server space I can use at my 
university is/has "standard" php (though I wouldn't know how to check 
that), I don't grasp what it would take to equip (?) it with tw-receiver, 
or whether tw-receiver lives (?) there at the server (and may require 
getting an IT person to approve/help) or whether "receiver" implies that I 
need to get it set up (?) at my end... , etc. 

Yes, I could grope around for some clarity on these matters... OK... a 
quick google gets me as far as this page 
, where I learn that tw-receiver 
apparently has both a tw-plugin component and a server-side file to 
install... ok... But then a bit further along I read that "You will likely 
have to make server side adjustments; things like setting directory 
permissions or ini configurations like max upload sizes". Meh. This is more 
server-speak; it assumes that I can orient to whether and how I need to 
make adjustments to "ini configurations" and "things like that" ([insert 
emoji for blank stare])  ... and having never done anything at all with php 
before, I just can't tell how long, or how steep, this learning-curve will 
be, and what the odds are that, one or two hours in, I'll hit a brick wall 
of some kind.

The only reason I was able to work it out with GitHub was because of 
Mohammad's very careful step-by-step tutorial, written so that even I could 
understand it. Might something comparable be available for setting up a php 
server and getting tw-receiver up and running with it?

(As I mentioned to Alvin, I'm pretty content with the GitHub saver for now, 
since it really does let TW5 behave over https in the Tiddlyspot way. But 
I'm replying on behalf of other muggles who feel stranded by the loss of 
tiddlyspot.)
On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 9:41:15 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:

> Springer, Alvin.
>
> Now days I only access my legacy TWC files via TiddlyDesktop, But TW5 is 
> fine to host on a standard php server with tw-receiver. I believe the 
> store.php used to work with TWC and
>  I believe this has being discussed in 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywikiclassic.
>
> Otherwise its easy to use Timimi from my desktop on a webdisk or that is 
> synchronised.
>
> Tones
>
> Tones
> On Friday, 4 December 2020 at 13:05:04 UTC+11 springer wrote:
>
>> Alvin,
>>
>> I agree that losing TiddlySpot is a pain for anyone who really needs TW 
>> projects to be both spontaneously edited (from anywhere) and instantly 
>> available via a potentially-public url.
>>
>> GitHub is the only solution I've found that does meet these conditions 
>> (without being a server administrator or being a coding expert). 
>>
>> The good news: As soon as you successfully set up GitHub once 
>> (configuring the right authentication for saving), adding additional 
>> tiddlywiki files in the same "repo" (repository) is VERY easy. Unlike 
>> tiddlyspot, you can have even GitHub use the same password authentication 
>> handshake for each of your five wikis. As with tiddlyspot, once the 
>> password is set up on a given computer-browser system (and especially if 
>> you configure auto-save), future visits are just smooth as can be. 
>>
>> I also have domain names and access to server space, but have not yet 
>> found a way to use these resources to set up TW5 projects so that they are 
>> editable over https: browser access. In theory, GitHub can be a 
>> ventriloquist and allow your files to be accessed by way of your custom 
>> domain name's url system. So far, my attempts to follow directions to set 
>> that up have stumbled. So I can't confirm that it's easy, but I'm 
>> determined to return to the question when I have another chunk of 
>> troubleshooting time on my hands. In the meantime, I'm finding the 
>> github.com urls fairly easy to work with. 
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 5:36:56 PM UTC-5 Alvin wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you to everybody that has replied.
>>>
>>> I have about five tiddlyspot files, and it's not clear to me if I can 
>>> use GitHub for all of them.
>>>
>>> I have a little experience with Dropbox, enough that I closed my account 
>>> less than a week after I created it. So I don't want to use Dropbox.
>>>
>>> I have a domain or two, and I can create subdomains, so I'd like to do 
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Again, my tiddlyspot files are ClassicTW, and I want to keep them 
>>> password protected. A step-by-step how to port them is what I'm looking for.
>>>
>>> I'm sure I'm not the only person looking for this. It's are real payne 
>>> in the arse not being able to update my Tiddlyspot files.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:56:26 AM UTC-6 springer wrote

[tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

[TW Tones]

Springer, Alvin.

Now days I only access my legacy TWC files via TiddlyDesktop, But TW5 is 
fine to host on a standard php server with tw-receiver. I believe the 
store.php used to work with TWC and
 I believe this has being discussed in 
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywikiclassic.

Otherwise its easy to use Timimi from my desktop on a webdisk or that is 
synchronised.

Tones

Tones
On Friday, 4 December 2020 at 13:05:04 UTC+11 springer wrote:

> Alvin,
>
> I agree that losing TiddlySpot is a pain for anyone who really needs TW 
> projects to be both spontaneously edited (from anywhere) and instantly 
> available via a potentially-public url.
>
> GitHub is the only solution I've found that does meet these conditions 
> (without being a server administrator or being a coding expert). 
>
> The good news: As soon as you successfully set up GitHub once (configuring 
> the right authentication for saving), adding additional tiddlywiki files in 
> the same "repo" (repository) is VERY easy. Unlike tiddlyspot, you can have 
> even GitHub use the same password authentication handshake for each of your 
> five wikis. As with tiddlyspot, once the password is set up on a given 
> computer-browser system (and especially if you configure auto-save), future 
> visits are just smooth as can be. 
>
> I also have domain names and access to server space, but have not yet 
> found a way to use these resources to set up TW5 projects so that they are 
> editable over https: browser access. In theory, GitHub can be a 
> ventriloquist and allow your files to be accessed by way of your custom 
> domain name's url system. So far, my attempts to follow directions to set 
> that up have stumbled. So I can't confirm that it's easy, but I'm 
> determined to return to the question when I have another chunk of 
> troubleshooting time on my hands. In the meantime, I'm finding the 
> github.com urls fairly easy to work with. 
>
> -Springer
>
> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 5:36:56 PM UTC-5 Alvin wrote:
>
>> Thank you to everybody that has replied.
>>
>> I have about five tiddlyspot files, and it's not clear to me if I can use 
>> GitHub for all of them.
>>
>> I have a little experience with Dropbox, enough that I closed my account 
>> less than a week after I created it. So I don't want to use Dropbox.
>>
>> I have a domain or two, and I can create subdomains, so I'd like to do 
>> that.
>>
>> Again, my tiddlyspot files are ClassicTW, and I want to keep them 
>> password protected. A step-by-step how to port them is what I'm looking for.
>>
>> I'm sure I'm not the only person looking for this. It's are real payne in 
>> the arse not being able to update my Tiddlyspot files.
>>
>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:56:26 AM UTC-6 springer wrote:
>>
>>> TiddlySpot was absolutely the lowest bar-to-entry for 
>>> instant-gratification create-edit-save-publish work in TiddlyWiki. Having 
>>> something like it is essential to attracting new users with an interest in 
>>> public-facing instant-edit projects.
>>>
>>> Alvin: For those like you who already know they love tiddlywiki and love 
>>> the tiddlyspot convenience, I do recommend the GitHub saver. It's 
>>> effectively the same workflow experience as TiddlySpot... at least it's 
>>> comparable *AFTER* the arduous process (at least, it was arduous for me) of 
>>> getting the repository set up and properly cleared for saving from the 
>>> browser. Mohammad's walkthrough tutorial is very helpful (and it seems like 
>>> the glitch around GitHub email verification, which hobbled my own 
>>> experience, was idiosyncratic).
>>>
>>> -Springer
>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:57:31 AM UTC-5 Ste wrote:
>>>
 Just to edit my response, now I've actually read the thread carefully, 
 oops, I'm slightly off track in my reply...I'm just looking at individual 
 hosting.  I'd happily chuck some cash somebody's way for continued 
 tiddlyspot workingness.  I'm guessing no one has heard anything regarding 
 the future of the site?

 On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 10:48:32 UTC Ste wrote:

> I'm looking at this at the moment...I keep thinking..'Oh..I'll just 
> edit this' on my wiki, then cry quietly as I remember that tiddlyspot is 
> broken :(
> I was thinking node.js with bob to serve multiple wikis.
> So far Iv'e turned up https://www.mythic-beasts.com/ for about £70 a 
> year...I think, or a combo of Domain reg from google, Hosting from 
> https://www.cloudflare.com/ and serving from 
> https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/ at $2.50 a month.  I 
> haven't committed to anything yetGoing to boot up my pi and check I 
> manage to get it all running before I throw cash after it.  The joys of 
> the 
> command line.
>
> Ste
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 21:59:07 UTC Mark S. wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking as far as an offer goes, you might have the most luck 
>> posting a

[tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

[springer]

Alvin, I didn't pause to notice that your files are all ClassicTW. My 
impression is that the GitHub save functions are specific to TW5. 

Converting my active files, and then learning my way around TW5, was a 
pretty steep learning curve -- one which I resisted for many months. But 
I'm now very happy to have crossed over. I hope you find the path forward 
for your projects!

-Springer
On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 5:36:56 PM UTC-5 Alvin wrote:

> Thank you to everybody that has replied.
>
> I have about five tiddlyspot files, and it's not clear to me if I can use 
> GitHub for all of them.
>
> I have a little experience with Dropbox, enough that I closed my account 
> less than a week after I created it. So I don't want to use Dropbox.
>
> I have a domain or two, and I can create subdomains, so I'd like to do 
> that.
>
> Again, my tiddlyspot files are ClassicTW, and I want to keep them password 
> protected. A step-by-step how to port them is what I'm looking for.
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only person looking for this. It's are real payne in 
> the arse not being able to update my Tiddlyspot files.
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:56:26 AM UTC-6 springer wrote:
>
>> TiddlySpot was absolutely the lowest bar-to-entry for 
>> instant-gratification create-edit-save-publish work in TiddlyWiki. Having 
>> something like it is essential to attracting new users with an interest in 
>> public-facing instant-edit projects.
>>
>> Alvin: For those like you who already know they love tiddlywiki and love 
>> the tiddlyspot convenience, I do recommend the GitHub saver. It's 
>> effectively the same workflow experience as TiddlySpot... at least it's 
>> comparable *AFTER* the arduous process (at least, it was arduous for me) of 
>> getting the repository set up and properly cleared for saving from the 
>> browser. Mohammad's walkthrough tutorial is very helpful (and it seems like 
>> the glitch around GitHub email verification, which hobbled my own 
>> experience, was idiosyncratic).
>>
>> -Springer
>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:57:31 AM UTC-5 Ste wrote:
>>
>>> Just to edit my response, now I've actually read the thread carefully, 
>>> oops, I'm slightly off track in my reply...I'm just looking at individual 
>>> hosting.  I'd happily chuck some cash somebody's way for continued 
>>> tiddlyspot workingness.  I'm guessing no one has heard anything regarding 
>>> the future of the site?
>>>
>>> On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 10:48:32 UTC Ste wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking at this at the moment...I keep thinking..'Oh..I'll just 
 edit this' on my wiki, then cry quietly as I remember that tiddlyspot is 
 broken :(
 I was thinking node.js with bob to serve multiple wikis.
 So far Iv'e turned up https://www.mythic-beasts.com/ for about £70 a 
 year...I think, or a combo of Domain reg from google, Hosting from 
 https://www.cloudflare.com/ and serving from 
 https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/ at $2.50 a month.  I 
 haven't committed to anything yetGoing to boot up my pi and check I 
 manage to get it all running before I throw cash after it.  The joys of 
 the 
 command line.

 Ste



 On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 21:59:07 UTC Mark S. wrote:

> I'm thinking as far as an offer goes, you might have the most luck 
> posting at https://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ . With or without 
> chocolate.
>
> For setting up your own, you would need to find a web host, preferably 
> one that charges per space used rather than 
> un-metered-but-with-secret-restrictions. Then you would use store.php 
> (older) or tw-receiver to serve up your own tw host. There might be 
> additional complications if you wanted to protect your files via ssl. 
> When 
> I looked at hosts, it seemed that most of them wanted to sell one rate 
> for 
> 1 to 3 years, and then twice that rate afterwards. Most of them that 
> charge 
> per storage space were more expensive. For a personal site, I might just 
> depend on TW's own encryption rather than worrying about a site getting 
> hacked.
>
> Re hosting for everyone, all the public files listed in the 
> tiddlytoolmap seem to come to about a half gig. So if the total space was 
> under one gig, then there's at least one website offering services at 
> $6/month plus probably $14/year for domain name registration.
>
> The question of size keeps coming up. It's hard to estimate how much a 
> site would cost when the total size is unknown.
>
> Well, this probably hasn't helped much, but should prompt other 
> conversations.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:51:27 PM UTC-8 Alvin wrote:
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
>>
>> Did my question fall through the cracks? I don't think it can get 
>> COVID-19, so there's no need to social distan

[tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

[springer]

Alvin,

I agree that losing TiddlySpot is a pain for anyone who really needs TW 
projects to be both spontaneously edited (from anywhere) and instantly 
available via a potentially-public url.

GitHub is the only solution I've found that does meet these conditions 
(without being a server administrator or being a coding expert). 

The good news: As soon as you successfully set up GitHub once (configuring 
the right authentication for saving), adding additional tiddlywiki files in 
the same "repo" (repository) is VERY easy. Unlike tiddlyspot, you can have 
even GitHub use the same password authentication handshake for each of your 
five wikis. As with tiddlyspot, once the password is set up on a given 
computer-browser system (and especially if you configure auto-save), future 
visits are just smooth as can be. 

I also have domain names and access to server space, but have not yet found 
a way to use these resources to set up TW5 projects so that they are 
editable over https: browser access. In theory, GitHub can be a 
ventriloquist and allow your files to be accessed by way of your custom 
domain name's url system. So far, my attempts to follow directions to set 
that up have stumbled. So I can't confirm that it's easy, but I'm 
determined to return to the question when I have another chunk of 
troubleshooting time on my hands. In the meantime, I'm finding the 
github.com urls fairly easy to work with. 

-Springer

On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 5:36:56 PM UTC-5 Alvin wrote:

> Thank you to everybody that has replied.
>
> I have about five tiddlyspot files, and it's not clear to me if I can use 
> GitHub for all of them.
>
> I have a little experience with Dropbox, enough that I closed my account 
> less than a week after I created it. So I don't want to use Dropbox.
>
> I have a domain or two, and I can create subdomains, so I'd like to do 
> that.
>
> Again, my tiddlyspot files are ClassicTW, and I want to keep them password 
> protected. A step-by-step how to port them is what I'm looking for.
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only person looking for this. It's are real payne in 
> the arse not being able to update my Tiddlyspot files.
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:56:26 AM UTC-6 springer wrote:
>
>> TiddlySpot was absolutely the lowest bar-to-entry for 
>> instant-gratification create-edit-save-publish work in TiddlyWiki. Having 
>> something like it is essential to attracting new users with an interest in 
>> public-facing instant-edit projects.
>>
>> Alvin: For those like you who already know they love tiddlywiki and love 
>> the tiddlyspot convenience, I do recommend the GitHub saver. It's 
>> effectively the same workflow experience as TiddlySpot... at least it's 
>> comparable *AFTER* the arduous process (at least, it was arduous for me) of 
>> getting the repository set up and properly cleared for saving from the 
>> browser. Mohammad's walkthrough tutorial is very helpful (and it seems like 
>> the glitch around GitHub email verification, which hobbled my own 
>> experience, was idiosyncratic).
>>
>> -Springer
>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:57:31 AM UTC-5 Ste wrote:
>>
>>> Just to edit my response, now I've actually read the thread carefully, 
>>> oops, I'm slightly off track in my reply...I'm just looking at individual 
>>> hosting.  I'd happily chuck some cash somebody's way for continued 
>>> tiddlyspot workingness.  I'm guessing no one has heard anything regarding 
>>> the future of the site?
>>>
>>> On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 10:48:32 UTC Ste wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking at this at the moment...I keep thinking..'Oh..I'll just 
 edit this' on my wiki, then cry quietly as I remember that tiddlyspot is 
 broken :(
 I was thinking node.js with bob to serve multiple wikis.
 So far Iv'e turned up https://www.mythic-beasts.com/ for about £70 a 
 year...I think, or a combo of Domain reg from google, Hosting from 
 https://www.cloudflare.com/ and serving from 
 https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/ at $2.50 a month.  I 
 haven't committed to anything yetGoing to boot up my pi and check I 
 manage to get it all running before I throw cash after it.  The joys of 
 the 
 command line.

 Ste



 On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 21:59:07 UTC Mark S. wrote:

> I'm thinking as far as an offer goes, you might have the most luck 
> posting at https://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ . With or without 
> chocolate.
>
> For setting up your own, you would need to find a web host, preferably 
> one that charges per space used rather than 
> un-metered-but-with-secret-restrictions. Then you would use store.php 
> (older) or tw-receiver to serve up your own tw host. There might be 
> additional complications if you wanted to protect your files via ssl. 
> When 
> I looked at hosts, it seemed that most of them wanted to sell one rate 
> for 
> 1 to 3 years, and then twice t

[tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

[Alvin]

Thank you to everybody that has replied.

I have about five tiddlyspot files, and it's not clear to me if I can use 
GitHub for all of them.

I have a little experience with Dropbox, enough that I closed my account 
less than a week after I created it. So I don't want to use Dropbox.

I have a domain or two, and I can create subdomains, so I'd like to do that.

Again, my tiddlyspot files are ClassicTW, and I want to keep them password 
protected. A step-by-step how to port them is what I'm looking for.

I'm sure I'm not the only person looking for this. It's are real payne in 
the arse not being able to update my Tiddlyspot files.

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:56:26 AM UTC-6 springer wrote:

> TiddlySpot was absolutely the lowest bar-to-entry for 
> instant-gratification create-edit-save-publish work in TiddlyWiki. Having 
> something like it is essential to attracting new users with an interest in 
> public-facing instant-edit projects.
>
> Alvin: For those like you who already know they love tiddlywiki and love 
> the tiddlyspot convenience, I do recommend the GitHub saver. It's 
> effectively the same workflow experience as TiddlySpot... at least it's 
> comparable *AFTER* the arduous process (at least, it was arduous for me) of 
> getting the repository set up and properly cleared for saving from the 
> browser. Mohammad's walkthrough tutorial is very helpful (and it seems like 
> the glitch around GitHub email verification, which hobbled my own 
> experience, was idiosyncratic).
>
> -Springer
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:57:31 AM UTC-5 Ste wrote:
>
>> Just to edit my response, now I've actually read the thread carefully, 
>> oops, I'm slightly off track in my reply...I'm just looking at individual 
>> hosting.  I'd happily chuck some cash somebody's way for continued 
>> tiddlyspot workingness.  I'm guessing no one has heard anything regarding 
>> the future of the site?
>>
>> On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 10:48:32 UTC Ste wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking at this at the moment...I keep thinking..'Oh..I'll just edit 
>>> this' on my wiki, then cry quietly as I remember that tiddlyspot is broken 
>>> :(
>>> I was thinking node.js with bob to serve multiple wikis.
>>> So far Iv'e turned up https://www.mythic-beasts.com/ for about £70 a 
>>> year...I think, or a combo of Domain reg from google, Hosting from 
>>> https://www.cloudflare.com/ and serving from 
>>> https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/ at $2.50 a month.  I 
>>> haven't committed to anything yetGoing to boot up my pi and check I 
>>> manage to get it all running before I throw cash after it.  The joys of the 
>>> command line.
>>>
>>> Ste
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 21:59:07 UTC Mark S. wrote:
>>>
 I'm thinking as far as an offer goes, you might have the most luck 
 posting at https://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ . With or without 
 chocolate.

 For setting up your own, you would need to find a web host, preferably 
 one that charges per space used rather than 
 un-metered-but-with-secret-restrictions. Then you would use store.php 
 (older) or tw-receiver to serve up your own tw host. There might be 
 additional complications if you wanted to protect your files via ssl. When 
 I looked at hosts, it seemed that most of them wanted to sell one rate for 
 1 to 3 years, and then twice that rate afterwards. Most of them that 
 charge 
 per storage space were more expensive. For a personal site, I might just 
 depend on TW's own encryption rather than worrying about a site getting 
 hacked.

 Re hosting for everyone, all the public files listed in the 
 tiddlytoolmap seem to come to about a half gig. So if the total space was 
 under one gig, then there's at least one website offering services at 
 $6/month plus probably $14/year for domain name registration.

 The question of size keeps coming up. It's hard to estimate how much a 
 site would cost when the total size is unknown.

 Well, this probably hasn't helped much, but should prompt other 
 conversations.

 Good luck!



 On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:51:27 PM UTC-8 Alvin wrote:

> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
>
> Did my question fall through the cracks? I don't think it can get 
> COVID-19, so there's no need to social distance. Would it help if I 
> offered 
> chocolate for an answer?
>
> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 12:24:15 PM UTC-6 Alvin wrote:
>
>> I offered to foot the bill for another hosting service for Simon and 
>> Daniel to use to move the TiddlySpot domain, but all I've heard so far 
>> is 
>> crickets. So I would like to take my ClassicTW files that were on 
>> TiddlySpot and put them online somewhere else. I would appreciate it if 
>> anyone can provide step by step instructions how to do that. I also need 
>> to 
>> know how to kee

[tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

[springer]

TiddlySpot was absolutely the lowest bar-to-entry for instant-gratification 
create-edit-save-publish work in TiddlyWiki. Having something like it is 
essential to attracting new users with an interest in public-facing 
instant-edit projects.

Alvin: For those like you who already know they love tiddlywiki and love 
the tiddlyspot convenience, I do recommend the GitHub saver. It's 
effectively the same workflow experience as TiddlySpot... at least it's 
comparable *AFTER* the arduous process (at least, it was arduous for me) of 
getting the repository set up and properly cleared for saving from the 
browser. Mohammad's walkthrough tutorial is very helpful (and it seems like 
the glitch around GitHub email verification, which hobbled my own 
experience, was idiosyncratic).

-Springer
On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:57:31 AM UTC-5 Ste wrote:

> Just to edit my response, now I've actually read the thread carefully, 
> oops, I'm slightly off track in my reply...I'm just looking at individual 
> hosting.  I'd happily chuck some cash somebody's way for continued 
> tiddlyspot workingness.  I'm guessing no one has heard anything regarding 
> the future of the site?
>
> On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 10:48:32 UTC Ste wrote:
>
>> I'm looking at this at the moment...I keep thinking..'Oh..I'll just edit 
>> this' on my wiki, then cry quietly as I remember that tiddlyspot is broken 
>> :(
>> I was thinking node.js with bob to serve multiple wikis.
>> So far Iv'e turned up https://www.mythic-beasts.com/ for about £70 a 
>> year...I think, or a combo of Domain reg from google, Hosting from 
>> https://www.cloudflare.com/ and serving from 
>> https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/ at $2.50 a month.  I 
>> haven't committed to anything yetGoing to boot up my pi and check I 
>> manage to get it all running before I throw cash after it.  The joys of the 
>> command line.
>>
>> Ste
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 21:59:07 UTC Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking as far as an offer goes, you might have the most luck 
>>> posting at https://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ . With or without chocolate.
>>>
>>> For setting up your own, you would need to find a web host, preferably 
>>> one that charges per space used rather than 
>>> un-metered-but-with-secret-restrictions. Then you would use store.php 
>>> (older) or tw-receiver to serve up your own tw host. There might be 
>>> additional complications if you wanted to protect your files via ssl. When 
>>> I looked at hosts, it seemed that most of them wanted to sell one rate for 
>>> 1 to 3 years, and then twice that rate afterwards. Most of them that charge 
>>> per storage space were more expensive. For a personal site, I might just 
>>> depend on TW's own encryption rather than worrying about a site getting 
>>> hacked.
>>>
>>> Re hosting for everyone, all the public files listed in the 
>>> tiddlytoolmap seem to come to about a half gig. So if the total space was 
>>> under one gig, then there's at least one website offering services at 
>>> $6/month plus probably $14/year for domain name registration.
>>>
>>> The question of size keeps coming up. It's hard to estimate how much a 
>>> site would cost when the total size is unknown.
>>>
>>> Well, this probably hasn't helped much, but should prompt other 
>>> conversations.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:51:27 PM UTC-8 Alvin wrote:
>>>
 Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

 Did my question fall through the cracks? I don't think it can get 
 COVID-19, so there's no need to social distance. Would it help if I 
 offered 
 chocolate for an answer?

 On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 12:24:15 PM UTC-6 Alvin wrote:

> I offered to foot the bill for another hosting service for Simon and 
> Daniel to use to move the TiddlySpot domain, but all I've heard so far is 
> crickets. So I would like to take my ClassicTW files that were on 
> TiddlySpot and put them online somewhere else. I would appreciate it if 
> anyone can provide step by step instructions how to do that. I also need 
> to 
> know how to keep them password protected. Thank you so much.
>
> If someone wants to contact me (Alvin dot Orzechowski at sign gmail 
> dot com) about my offer, please do so directly.
>


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[tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

[Ste]

Just to edit my response, now I've actually read the thread carefully, 
oops, I'm slightly off track in my reply...I'm just looking at individual 
hosting.  I'd happily chuck some cash somebody's way for continued 
tiddlyspot workingness.  I'm guessing no one has heard anything regarding 
the future of the site?

On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 10:48:32 UTC Ste wrote:

> I'm looking at this at the moment...I keep thinking..'Oh..I'll just edit 
> this' on my wiki, then cry quietly as I remember that tiddlyspot is broken 
> :(
> I was thinking node.js with bob to serve multiple wikis.
> So far Iv'e turned up https://www.mythic-beasts.com/ for about £70 a 
> year...I think, or a combo of Domain reg from google, Hosting from 
> https://www.cloudflare.com/ and serving from 
> https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/ at $2.50 a month.  I 
> haven't committed to anything yetGoing to boot up my pi and check I 
> manage to get it all running before I throw cash after it.  The joys of the 
> command line.
>
> Ste
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 21:59:07 UTC Mark S. wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking as far as an offer goes, you might have the most luck 
>> posting at https://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ . With or without chocolate.
>>
>> For setting up your own, you would need to find a web host, preferably 
>> one that charges per space used rather than 
>> un-metered-but-with-secret-restrictions. Then you would use store.php 
>> (older) or tw-receiver to serve up your own tw host. There might be 
>> additional complications if you wanted to protect your files via ssl. When 
>> I looked at hosts, it seemed that most of them wanted to sell one rate for 
>> 1 to 3 years, and then twice that rate afterwards. Most of them that charge 
>> per storage space were more expensive. For a personal site, I might just 
>> depend on TW's own encryption rather than worrying about a site getting 
>> hacked.
>>
>> Re hosting for everyone, all the public files listed in the tiddlytoolmap 
>> seem to come to about a half gig. So if the total space was under one gig, 
>> then there's at least one website offering services at $6/month plus 
>> probably $14/year for domain name registration.
>>
>> The question of size keeps coming up. It's hard to estimate how much a 
>> site would cost when the total size is unknown.
>>
>> Well, this probably hasn't helped much, but should prompt other 
>> conversations.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:51:27 PM UTC-8 Alvin wrote:
>>
>>> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
>>>
>>> Did my question fall through the cracks? I don't think it can get 
>>> COVID-19, so there's no need to social distance. Would it help if I offered 
>>> chocolate for an answer?
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 12:24:15 PM UTC-6 Alvin wrote:
>>>
 I offered to foot the bill for another hosting service for Simon and 
 Daniel to use to move the TiddlySpot domain, but all I've heard so far is 
 crickets. So I would like to take my ClassicTW files that were on 
 TiddlySpot and put them online somewhere else. I would appreciate it if 
 anyone can provide step by step instructions how to do that. I also need 
 to 
 know how to keep them password protected. Thank you so much.

 If someone wants to contact me (Alvin dot Orzechowski at sign gmail dot 
 com) about my offer, please do so directly.

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

[Ste]

I'm looking at this at the moment...I keep thinking..'Oh..I'll just edit 
this' on my wiki, then cry quietly as I remember that tiddlyspot is broken 
:(
I was thinking node.js with bob to serve multiple wikis.
So far Iv'e turned up https://www.mythic-beasts.com/ for about £70 a 
year...I think, or a combo of Domain reg from google, Hosting 
from https://www.cloudflare.com/ and serving 
from https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/ at $2.50 a month.  I 
haven't committed to anything yetGoing to boot up my pi and check I 
manage to get it all running before I throw cash after it.  The joys of the 
command line.

Ste



On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 21:59:07 UTC Mark S. wrote:

> I'm thinking as far as an offer goes, you might have the most luck posting 
> at https://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ . With or without chocolate.
>
> For setting up your own, you would need to find a web host, preferably one 
> that charges per space used rather than 
> un-metered-but-with-secret-restrictions. Then you would use store.php 
> (older) or tw-receiver to serve up your own tw host. There might be 
> additional complications if you wanted to protect your files via ssl. When 
> I looked at hosts, it seemed that most of them wanted to sell one rate for 
> 1 to 3 years, and then twice that rate afterwards. Most of them that charge 
> per storage space were more expensive. For a personal site, I might just 
> depend on TW's own encryption rather than worrying about a site getting 
> hacked.
>
> Re hosting for everyone, all the public files listed in the tiddlytoolmap 
> seem to come to about a half gig. So if the total space was under one gig, 
> then there's at least one website offering services at $6/month plus 
> probably $14/year for domain name registration.
>
> The question of size keeps coming up. It's hard to estimate how much a 
> site would cost when the total size is unknown.
>
> Well, this probably hasn't helped much, but should prompt other 
> conversations.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:51:27 PM UTC-8 Alvin wrote:
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
>>
>> Did my question fall through the cracks? I don't think it can get 
>> COVID-19, so there's no need to social distance. Would it help if I offered 
>> chocolate for an answer?
>>
>> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 12:24:15 PM UTC-6 Alvin wrote:
>>
>>> I offered to foot the bill for another hosting service for Simon and 
>>> Daniel to use to move the TiddlySpot domain, but all I've heard so far is 
>>> crickets. So I would like to take my ClassicTW files that were on 
>>> TiddlySpot and put them online somewhere else. I would appreciate it if 
>>> anyone can provide step by step instructions how to do that. I also need to 
>>> know how to keep them password protected. Thank you so much.
>>>
>>> If someone wants to contact me (Alvin dot Orzechowski at sign gmail dot 
>>> com) about my offer, please do so directly.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I'm thinking as far as an offer goes, you might have the most luck posting 
at https://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ . With or without chocolate.

For setting up your own, you would need to find a web host, preferably one 
that charges per space used rather than 
un-metered-but-with-secret-restrictions. Then you would use store.php 
(older) or tw-receiver to serve up your own tw host. There might be 
additional complications if you wanted to protect your files via ssl. When 
I looked at hosts, it seemed that most of them wanted to sell one rate for 
1 to 3 years, and then twice that rate afterwards. Most of them that charge 
per storage space were more expensive. For a personal site, I might just 
depend on TW's own encryption rather than worrying about a site getting 
hacked.

Re hosting for everyone, all the public files listed in the tiddlytoolmap 
seem to come to about a half gig. So if the total space was under one gig, 
then there's at least one website offering services at $6/month plus 
probably $14/year for domain name registration.

The question of size keeps coming up. It's hard to estimate how much a site 
would cost when the total size is unknown.

Well, this probably hasn't helped much, but should prompt other 
conversations.

Good luck!



On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:51:27 PM UTC-8 Alvin wrote:

> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
>
> Did my question fall through the cracks? I don't think it can get 
> COVID-19, so there's no need to social distance. Would it help if I offered 
> chocolate for an answer?
>
> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 12:24:15 PM UTC-6 Alvin wrote:
>
>> I offered to foot the bill for another hosting service for Simon and 
>> Daniel to use to move the TiddlySpot domain, but all I've heard so far is 
>> crickets. So I would like to take my ClassicTW files that were on 
>> TiddlySpot and put them online somewhere else. I would appreciate it if 
>> anyone can provide step by step instructions how to do that. I also need to 
>> know how to keep them password protected. Thank you so much.
>>
>> If someone wants to contact me (Alvin dot Orzechowski at sign gmail dot 
>> com) about my offer, please do so directly.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Requesting Help to Port My TiddlySpot Files

[Alvin]

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

Did my question fall through the cracks? I don't think it can get COVID-19, 
so there's no need to social distance. Would it help if I offered chocolate 
for an answer?

On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 12:24:15 PM UTC-6 Alvin wrote:

> I offered to foot the bill for another hosting service for Simon and 
> Daniel to use to move the TiddlySpot domain, but all I've heard so far is 
> crickets. So I would like to take my ClassicTW files that were on 
> TiddlySpot and put them online somewhere else. I would appreciate it if 
> anyone can provide step by step instructions how to do that. I also need to 
> know how to keep them password protected. Thank you so much.
>
> If someone wants to contact me (Alvin dot Orzechowski at sign gmail dot 
> com) about my offer, please do so directly.
>

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