[tw5] Re: TiddlySheets? (idea tease)

[Charlie Veniot]

Dang it, Mat.  You've just eloquently expressed a thread of thought in this 
old sponge of mine that I couldn't put into words.  If I were a rich man, 
I'd be hiring you as official translator of the thoughts in me sponge.  Or 
curator.  Do you herd kittens and puppies as a side gig?

Well, I wasn't thinking so much about the whole TW interface.  That's an 
interesting proposition.

With Treesheets, *everything* is "open" in the sheet.  With TiddlyWiki, it 
might get really slow if *everything* is open.   Hence my other 
unspoken/unwritten thought about individual and somewhat narrowly focused 
tiddler sheets for whatever purposes.

Yeah, each and every thought in my sponge, as for each and every word to 
express that thought, as for organization of the words:  like playing 
"Where's Waldo" for each one.

Good times.

Thanks for your post, Mat.  Very good stuff.

*Aside*:

I'm also experimenting a bit with TiddlyTables 
.  Although of no use (as far as I can 
tell) for Treesheets type stuff (or anything else I'm thinking related to 
TiddlySheets), and a bit cognitively tedious for the way my sponge works, I 
really like how it handles "records", and I am having a blast turning 
getting individual cell to behave like full-fledged data forms.

 I guess I am overall in an exploratory mood.  Multiple threads of "how 
would I do this/that" and "could it do this/that" with TiddlyWiki or with 
plugins.

Almost way more fun than I can handle ...

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-3 Mat wrote:

> cj
>
> Thinking out loud:
>
> TreeSheets looks very interesting (I 
> looked at their video ) and 
> it seems like a perfect conceptual fit for TW. It is really cool because I 
> guess most of us have used a spreadsheet for making hierarchical notes but 
> thought *"Oh, a spreadsheet really isn't made for taking notes in. Maybe 
> I should just use the word processor... but I like this hierarchical 
> indentation with columns and how additional things can be added 
> horizontally"*
>
> I wonder if the whole TW page could be a spreadsheet grid with subgrids. 
> New items are insterted by clicking the grid borders on the items and their 
> subitems. It seems TreeSheets has a main grid and their subitems are *tables 
> *but this would be more powerful and elegant in TW where everything would 
> be a tiddler... or would that actually make sense here? Imagine if a bullet 
> list really consisted of tiddlers. A kind of mini story river. Sounds very 
> bloaty but maybe it isn't? Would the table grid aspect of the page really 
> be css (presumably "grid")? Pity subgrid 
> isn't a thing yet. Maybe the 
> TreeSheets concept should be a story view? Or does it go beyond storyview? 
> I'm reminded of the github discussion 
> around Jeremys 
> proposal to redesign the whole wiki page. 
>
> ...
>
> <:-)
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 9:53:35 PM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> G'day Julio,
>>
>> Thanks!  However, hold on to your ears...
>>
>> I'm about 30 minutes away from a new post of an interesting concept that 
>> may be right out to lunch, related to this same project but wildly 
>> interesting of itself regardless.
>>
>> Which I'll have to slap in the same video, I think.  Ugh.  Gonna be some 
>> work.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 4:06:55 PM UTC-3 j.te...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy CJ,
>>>
>>> Oh wow, interesting project (idea) you have there!
>>> That concept looks marvellous.
>>> Will be attentive to when you produce the video.
>>>
>>> Many blessings,
>>> Julio
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 10:15:31 PM UTC-4 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 G'day,

 I love a little gem called TreeSheets  
 for the very infrequent times I want to quickly cobble together some 
 information that is hiearchical and/or fits well into rows and columns.

 Very infrequent?  Understatement.  I almost uniquely am awash in a 
 tsunami of non-linear/hyperlinked/intertwingled thinking: everything is 
 connected to everything else within oh-so-few degrees of separation.

 Hence my appreciation for TiddlyWiki.  For this kid, nothing else 
 touches TiddlyWiki.  Recording all of them thoughts and the links between 
 them, organizing it all is like trying to herd a mass of puppies and 
 kittens.  Can't do it without TiddlyWiki.

 A recurring thought that always smacks me silly at any moment: how 
 would I do "this" or "that" with TiddlyWiki?

 The latest:  how would I do TreeSheets with TiddlyWiki?

 Although only in the early beginnings, what I have built so far (see 
 attached screenshots) has me thinking: sure this might someday do what 
 TreeSheets can do, but for now, I'm thinking other useful purposes:

[tw5] Re: TiddlySheets? (idea tease)

[Mat]

cj

Thinking out loud:

TreeSheets looks very interesting (I looked 
at their video ) and it seems 
like a perfect conceptual fit for TW. It is really cool because I guess 
most of us have used a spreadsheet for making hierarchical notes but 
thought *"Oh, a spreadsheet really isn't made for taking notes in. Maybe I 
should just use the word processor... but I like this hierarchical 
indentation with columns and how additional things can be added 
horizontally"*

I wonder if the whole TW page could be a spreadsheet grid with subgrids. 
New items are insterted by clicking the grid borders on the items and their 
subitems. It seems TreeSheets has a main grid and their subitems are *tables 
*but this would be more powerful and elegant in TW where everything would 
be a tiddler... or would that actually make sense here? Imagine if a bullet 
list really consisted of tiddlers. A kind of mini story river. Sounds very 
bloaty but maybe it isn't? Would the table grid aspect of the page really 
be css (presumably "grid")? Pity subgrid 
isn't a thing yet. Maybe the 
TreeSheets concept should be a story view? Or does it go beyond storyview? 
I'm reminded of the github discussion 
around Jeremys 
proposal to redesign the whole wiki page. 

...

<:-)




On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 9:53:35 PM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> G'day Julio,
>
> Thanks!  However, hold on to your ears...
>
> I'm about 30 minutes away from a new post of an interesting concept that 
> may be right out to lunch, related to this same project but wildly 
> interesting of itself regardless.
>
> Which I'll have to slap in the same video, I think.  Ugh.  Gonna be some 
> work.
>
> On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 4:06:55 PM UTC-3 j.te...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Howdy CJ,
>>
>> Oh wow, interesting project (idea) you have there!
>> That concept looks marvellous.
>> Will be attentive to when you produce the video.
>>
>> Many blessings,
>> Julio
>>
>> On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 10:15:31 PM UTC-4 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> G'day,
>>>
>>> I love a little gem called TreeSheets  
>>> for the very infrequent times I want to quickly cobble together some 
>>> information that is hiearchical and/or fits well into rows and columns.
>>>
>>> Very infrequent?  Understatement.  I almost uniquely am awash in a 
>>> tsunami of non-linear/hyperlinked/intertwingled thinking: everything is 
>>> connected to everything else within oh-so-few degrees of separation.
>>>
>>> Hence my appreciation for TiddlyWiki.  For this kid, nothing else 
>>> touches TiddlyWiki.  Recording all of them thoughts and the links between 
>>> them, organizing it all is like trying to herd a mass of puppies and 
>>> kittens.  Can't do it without TiddlyWiki.
>>>
>>> A recurring thought that always smacks me silly at any moment: how would 
>>> I do "this" or "that" with TiddlyWiki?
>>>
>>> The latest:  how would I do TreeSheets with TiddlyWiki?
>>>
>>> Although only in the early beginnings, what I have built so far (see 
>>> attached screenshots) has me thinking: sure this might someday do what 
>>> TreeSheets can do, but for now, I'm thinking other useful purposes:
>>>
>>>- dashboards
>>>- reports
>>>- content layout (like old-school html tables of old)
>>>- picture puzzles?
>>>- yet another Kanban?
>>>- anything else?
>>>
>>> I have a "Sheet Editor" tiddler, and each sheet created by, and edited 
>>> in, the editor keeps the data for any sheet in a data tiddler.
>>>
>>> Each row can be moved up/down, and each column can be moved left/right.  
>>> Ability to move an individual cell from one location to another is on my 
>>> mind.
>>>
>>> Each cell should be able to (eventually) contain anything.  At the 
>>> moment: text transcluded from some tiddler, OR textarea field (content 
>>> saved to the data tiddler for no fuss no muss.)  A sheet inside a cell?  
>>> Hmm.
>>>
>>> I think I'm going to try to put a little show'n tell video about this 
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> For now, attached snapshots for anybody interested.
>>>
>>> BTW:  If this has already been done, please let me know so I don't 
>>> re-invent the wheel !!!
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlySheets? (idea tease)

[Charlie Veniot]

G'day Julio,

Thanks!  However, hold on to your ears...

I'm about 30 minutes away from a new post of an interesting concept that 
may be right out to lunch, related to this same project but wildly 
interesting of itself regardless.

Which I'll have to slap in the same video, I think.  Ugh.  Gonna be some 
work.

On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 4:06:55 PM UTC-3 j.te...@gmail.com wrote:

> Howdy CJ,
>
> Oh wow, interesting project (idea) you have there!
> That concept looks marvellous.
> Will be attentive to when you produce the video.
>
> Many blessings,
> Julio
>
> On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 10:15:31 PM UTC-4 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> G'day,
>>
>> I love a little gem called TreeSheets  
>> for the very infrequent times I want to quickly cobble together some 
>> information that is hiearchical and/or fits well into rows and columns.
>>
>> Very infrequent?  Understatement.  I almost uniquely am awash in a 
>> tsunami of non-linear/hyperlinked/intertwingled thinking: everything is 
>> connected to everything else within oh-so-few degrees of separation.
>>
>> Hence my appreciation for TiddlyWiki.  For this kid, nothing else touches 
>> TiddlyWiki.  Recording all of them thoughts and the links between them, 
>> organizing it all is like trying to herd a mass of puppies and kittens.  
>> Can't do it without TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> A recurring thought that always smacks me silly at any moment: how would 
>> I do "this" or "that" with TiddlyWiki?
>>
>> The latest:  how would I do TreeSheets with TiddlyWiki?
>>
>> Although only in the early beginnings, what I have built so far (see 
>> attached screenshots) has me thinking: sure this might someday do what 
>> TreeSheets can do, but for now, I'm thinking other useful purposes:
>>
>>- dashboards
>>- reports
>>- content layout (like old-school html tables of old)
>>- picture puzzles?
>>- yet another Kanban?
>>- anything else?
>>
>> I have a "Sheet Editor" tiddler, and each sheet created by, and edited 
>> in, the editor keeps the data for any sheet in a data tiddler.
>>
>> Each row can be moved up/down, and each column can be moved left/right.  
>> Ability to move an individual cell from one location to another is on my 
>> mind.
>>
>> Each cell should be able to (eventually) contain anything.  At the 
>> moment: text transcluded from some tiddler, OR textarea field (content 
>> saved to the data tiddler for no fuss no muss.)  A sheet inside a cell?  
>> Hmm.
>>
>> I think I'm going to try to put a little show'n tell video about this 
>> thing.
>>
>> For now, attached snapshots for anybody interested.
>>
>> BTW:  If this has already been done, please let me know so I don't 
>> re-invent the wheel !!!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlySheets? (idea tease)

[jtech108]

Howdy CJ,

Oh wow, interesting project (idea) you have there!
That concept looks marvellous.
Will be attentive to when you produce the video.

Many blessings,
Julio

On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 10:15:31 PM UTC-4 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> G'day,
>
> I love a little gem called TreeSheets  for 
> the very infrequent times I want to quickly cobble together some 
> information that is hiearchical and/or fits well into rows and columns.
>
> Very infrequent?  Understatement.  I almost uniquely am awash in a tsunami 
> of non-linear/hyperlinked/intertwingled thinking: everything is connected 
> to everything else within oh-so-few degrees of separation.
>
> Hence my appreciation for TiddlyWiki.  For this kid, nothing else touches 
> TiddlyWiki.  Recording all of them thoughts and the links between them, 
> organizing it all is like trying to herd a mass of puppies and kittens.  
> Can't do it without TiddlyWiki.
>
> A recurring thought that always smacks me silly at any moment: how would I 
> do "this" or "that" with TiddlyWiki?
>
> The latest:  how would I do TreeSheets with TiddlyWiki?
>
> Although only in the early beginnings, what I have built so far (see 
> attached screenshots) has me thinking: sure this might someday do what 
> TreeSheets can do, but for now, I'm thinking other useful purposes:
>
>- dashboards
>- reports
>- content layout (like old-school html tables of old)
>- picture puzzles?
>- yet another Kanban?
>- anything else?
>
> I have a "Sheet Editor" tiddler, and each sheet created by, and edited in, 
> the editor keeps the data for any sheet in a data tiddler.
>
> Each row can be moved up/down, and each column can be moved left/right.  
> Ability to move an individual cell from one location to another is on my 
> mind.
>
> Each cell should be able to (eventually) contain anything.  At the moment: 
> text transcluded from some tiddler, OR textarea field (content saved to the 
> data tiddler for no fuss no muss.)  A sheet inside a cell?  Hmm.
>
> I think I'm going to try to put a little show'n tell video about this 
> thing.
>
> For now, attached snapshots for anybody interested.
>
> BTW:  If this has already been done, please let me know so I don't 
> re-invent the wheel !!!
>

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