Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

[Arkady Grudzinsky]

Thanks for the reply, Thomas.  I'll check out the cardo.wiki you pointed me 
to.   

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

For what it's worth, here's the code I insert into the filter plugin to 
allow me to have selectable filters:


<$select tiddler="$:/temp/tdn/user-filter" default='General Usage'>
<$list filter='[tag[Filter]sort[title]]'>
<$view field='caption'/>




It gets inserted below <$vars uf=...

Each filter tiddler is tagged 'Filter', has a caption field to describe it, 
and the filter content goes in the text field.

My flow is that usually first thing in the morning I reset used tiddlers, 
check items due for the day, and use various filters to look at things that 
are in waiting mode and move them into the task list for the day. Some 
tasks that are for late in the day are given a priority for later, and 
hidden away until needed. Having a drop-down filter makes this moving back 
and forth simpler.

Mark


On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 4:08:39 AM UTC-8, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi Arkady
>
> Thank you very much for writing down all these interesting thoughts and 
> linking to relevant concepts! And sorry for the long time it took me to 
> write an answer. 
>
> Have you tried http://cardo.wiki/ ? It is one of the most feature rich 
> TW-based solutions I know of. 
>
> Maybe GTD is an acronym aiming too high for my simple tool. I have no 
> plans to extend it any further at the moment and I wanted to keep it simple 
> and intuitive even for beginners from the very beginning. Something between 
> simple ToDo lists and real GTD systems was missing in my eyes, so I built 
> it. If I would start today I would look at the trello-ish solutions as 
> alternatives. 
>
> Concerning your questions: 
>
> To hide items you won’t or can’t work on, you can use tags or priorities. 
> A simple tag filter is always present, but there is also a personal filter 
> you could use to filter out certain priorities. Have a look at the 
> user-filter tab of the plugin, you will find filter examples there. 
>
> I did not have the time to try, but I am pretty sure it would be possible 
> to eliminate tasks due more than a given number of days from now this way.
>
> For recurring tasks I personally just set a new date when one is done, 
> this way I can take weekends and local holidays into account. By the way: 
> If you check done, reactivate the task and check done again, both 
> done-dates are registered in the tiddler. 
>
> Last but not least: No, I do no intend to add more features. My ambition 
> is to improve  existing features and usability. Feel free to add all the 
> features you like and please keep me updated if you do so. 
>
> All the best and happy do-ing!
> Thomas 
>
>
>
> Arkady Grudzinsky  schrieb am So. 12. 
> Nov. 2017 um 21:18:
>
>> Hi, Thomas,
>>
>> Great plugin.  I'm always on the look for a good task management 
>> application.  I have tried dozens of them.  
>>
>> What I value most is the ability to hide items that cannot be done now.  
>> GTD uses "contexts" for this purpose.  I suppose a "context" is just a 
>> tag.  I can use some special character for tags denoting contexts 
>> ("@computer", "@home", etc.).  "Projects" are also just tags.  So, I guess, 
>> your system can accommodate that.  But there are two other conditions that 
>> can make a task irrelevant now:
>>
>> 1. Task dependencies.  I'd like the ability to hide tasks that cannot be 
>> started before another task is completed.  And when the blocking task is 
>> completed, the blocked task should become "active" and show up in the 
>> lists.  It helps to unclutter the lists tremendously.  Very few otherwise 
>> excellent task management applications allow that.  
>>
>> http://orgmode.org/manual/TODO-dependencies.html
>>
>> 2. The ability to postpone tasks.  Some tasks cannot be started until 
>> some future time.  I'd like to have the ability to set this time and hide 
>> the task from the list until that time.  Emacs Org Mode uses "SCHEDULED" 
>> attribute for that.  Some implementations of todo.txt call it "threshold".  
>> I use this feature most frequently for recurring tasks.  E.g. if I just 
>> mowed my lawn, I don't want to see it on my list again sooner than in 2 
>> weeks.  And for daily items that need to be done each evening, for example, 
>> having a timestamp is critical to hide items until "6pm", for example.  GTD 
>> uses the concept of "tickler" for this.  In Monkey GTD which I used for a 
>> while many years ago, tasks could be converted into "ticklers".  But I find 
>> it unnecessary since this, imo, is just a task attribute.
>>
>> http://orgmode.org/manual/Deadlines-and-scheduling.html
>>
>> You do have reminders, but this is not quite the same thing.  They don't 
>> seem to hide tasks until a certain time.  
>>
>> Another important feature is task recurrence - the ability to regenerate 
>> the task with due dates and threshold dates in the future.  The best 
>> implementation of this I found in Emacs Org Mode.  They have 3 kinds of 
>> recurring events:
>>
>> 1. Recurring in a certain interval after the 

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao cari Arkady & Thomas,

I have been using Thomas' ToDoNow a long time. I'm still using it. It works.

Why do I like it? Honed Minimalism. GTD systems got OVER-complex for one 
person only able to do one thing at a time. Thomas went back to HIS basics 
and found something workable.

It is a very, very good PERSONAL To Do System. It is NOT a collaborative 
PROJECT Manager and was never meant to be one. It has limited aims but 
within those its really stellar.

Regarding hiding stuff you don't want to see the Custom Filter mechanism 
that goes a long way to helping you with that but if its not enough, as 
Thomas suggests, I'd look at CARDO.

Best wishes
Josiah

Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi Arkady
>
> Thank you very much for writing down all these interesting thoughts and 
> linking to relevant concepts! And sorry for the long time it took me to 
> write an answer. 
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Arkady

Thank you very much for writing down all these interesting thoughts and
linking to relevant concepts! And sorry for the long time it took me to
write an answer.

Have you tried http://cardo.wiki/ ? It is one of the most feature rich
TW-based solutions I know of.

Maybe GTD is an acronym aiming too high for my simple tool. I have no plans
to extend it any further at the moment and I wanted to keep it simple and
intuitive even for beginners from the very beginning. Something between
simple ToDo lists and real GTD systems was missing in my eyes, so I built
it. If I would start today I would look at the trello-ish solutions as
alternatives.

Concerning your questions:

To hide items you won’t or can’t work on, you can use tags or priorities. A
simple tag filter is always present, but there is also a personal filter
you could use to filter out certain priorities. Have a look at the
user-filter tab of the plugin, you will find filter examples there.

I did not have the time to try, but I am pretty sure it would be possible
to eliminate tasks due more than a given number of days from now this way.

For recurring tasks I personally just set a new date when one is done, this
way I can take weekends and local holidays into account. By the way: If you
check done, reactivate the task and check done again, both done-dates are
registered in the tiddler.

Last but not least: No, I do no intend to add more features. My ambition is
to improve  existing features and usability. Feel free to add all the
features you like and please keep me updated if you do so.

All the best and happy do-ing!
Thomas



Arkady Grudzinsky  schrieb am So. 12. Nov. 2017 um
21:18:

> Hi, Thomas,
>
> Great plugin.  I'm always on the look for a good task management
> application.  I have tried dozens of them.
>
> What I value most is the ability to hide items that cannot be done now.
> GTD uses "contexts" for this purpose.  I suppose a "context" is just a
> tag.  I can use some special character for tags denoting contexts
> ("@computer", "@home", etc.).  "Projects" are also just tags.  So, I guess,
> your system can accommodate that.  But there are two other conditions that
> can make a task irrelevant now:
>
> 1. Task dependencies.  I'd like the ability to hide tasks that cannot be
> started before another task is completed.  And when the blocking task is
> completed, the blocked task should become "active" and show up in the
> lists.  It helps to unclutter the lists tremendously.  Very few otherwise
> excellent task management applications allow that.
>
> http://orgmode.org/manual/TODO-dependencies.html
>
> 2. The ability to postpone tasks.  Some tasks cannot be started until some
> future time.  I'd like to have the ability to set this time and hide the
> task from the list until that time.  Emacs Org Mode uses "SCHEDULED"
> attribute for that.  Some implementations of todo.txt call it "threshold".
> I use this feature most frequently for recurring tasks.  E.g. if I just
> mowed my lawn, I don't want to see it on my list again sooner than in 2
> weeks.  And for daily items that need to be done each evening, for example,
> having a timestamp is critical to hide items until "6pm", for example.  GTD
> uses the concept of "tickler" for this.  In Monkey GTD which I used for a
> while many years ago, tasks could be converted into "ticklers".  But I find
> it unnecessary since this, imo, is just a task attribute.
>
> http://orgmode.org/manual/Deadlines-and-scheduling.html
>
> You do have reminders, but this is not quite the same thing.  They don't
> seem to hide tasks until a certain time.
>
> Another important feature is task recurrence - the ability to regenerate
> the task with due dates and threshold dates in the future.  The best
> implementation of this I found in Emacs Org Mode.  They have 3 kinds of
> recurring events:
>
> 1. Recurring in a certain interval after the previous due date.  These are
> good for things like paying bills or filing tax returns.  Org Mode uses
> "+1w" syntax for those.
>
> 2. Recurring in a certain interval after the last completion date.  These
> are good for things like mowing the lawn or having a haircut.  Org Mode
> uses ".+1w" syntax for those
>
> 3. Recurring on a certain date, after "now".  This is good for catching up
> on delinquent tasks.  E.g. if I have to send weekly reports on Fridays and
> forgot to mark it "done" for a whole month, I want the task to recur on the
> next Friday rather than having to mark the task "Done" 4 times incrementing
> the due date by a week.  Org Mode uses "++1w" syntax for those.
>
> http://orgmode.org/manual/Repeated-tasks.html
>
> Do you have any ideas on how to implement these concepts with your plugin?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 11:15:15 AM UTC-7, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> With enormous gratitude for inspiring users like *Mark S.* and *Josiah*
>> (aka @TiddlyTweeter) who contributed many ideas and testing: 

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Juan

Good to hear. I can see now, there was an error in my example – I should have 
removed the !

Thank you for using ToDoNow and for posting your issues. It is always 
interesting to read how people use my stuff. 

Cheers,
Thomas 

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

[Juan Palomo]

Hi Thomas.

Thanks for everything, I had tried it the way you indicated but it did not 
work. But I've reviewed the syntax again and got it to work.

Best regards.


El miércoles, 21 de junio de 2017, 22:19:46 (UTC+2), Thomas Elmiger 
escribió:
>
> Hi Juan
>
> It seems to me, that Jed’s Bar Charts work perfectly with only tags: With 
> the predefined tags in ToDoNow you would use something like
>
> <$ProgressBar finished="[tag[YourCategoryTag]tag[ToDoDone]]"
>  unfinished='"[tag[YourCategoryTag]!tag[ToDo]]" colors="#bf9,#fbb"/>/>
>
> as in the first example here: 
> https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/BarChart/#Demo
>
> Have fun!
> Thomas
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Juan

It seems to me, that Jed’s Bar Charts work perfectly with only tags: With 
the predefined tags in ToDoNow you would use something like

<$ProgressBar finished="[tag[YourCategoryTag]tag[ToDoDone]]"
 unfinished='"[tag[YourCategoryTag]!tag[ToDo]]" colors="#bf9,#fbb"/>/>

as in the first example here: https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/BarChart/#Demo

Have fun!
Thomas

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

[Juan Palomo]

Hi Thomas !!!

Thanks for the reply. I have seen what you have indicated and I have found 
that the tags use them to classify the different projects in which you want 
to differentiate the tasks. Perfect.
What happens is that the BarChart plugin uses a field called category in 
the tiddler to be able to show the progress of the organized tasks in the 
different categories. That's what I mean. The two add-ons use different 
ways of organizing tasks, I think ...

Greetings.

El miércoles, 21 de junio de 2017, 11:50:15 (UTC+2), Thomas Elmiger 
escribió:
>
> Hi Juan
>
> Did you notice the tag icon in the top left corner of open tasks? It 
> allows to assign tags based on all tasks in the list as well as to remove a 
> tag with a click.
> See pic.
>
> Happy Do-ing!
> Thomas
>
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Juan

Did you notice the tag icon in the top left corner of open tasks? It allows 
to assign tags based on all tasks in the list as well as to remove a tag 
with a click.
See pic.

Happy Do-ing!
Thomas



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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

[Juan Palomo]

Hi Thomas!!!

ToDoNow is incredible, your add-on is cool, simple and effective. 

I only have one suggestion to improve its usability. You should have a 
button to assign the category the same way you assign a deadline or task 
priority.

Greetings.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Thomas

I get where you are coming from but transposed to my situation where I need 
an ALL PROJECT report that is NOTHING BUT explicit ToDoNow projects it 
produces chaos :-). To give an example: in this screenshot items in yellow 
should NOT be on it for my use ...

Buongiorno
Josiah

Thomas Elmiger wrote:
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> Not sure this is a bug – you have been working on that tiddler and it’s 
> not excluded by your choice of project ;–)
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

[Thomas Elmiger]

Not sure this is a bug – you have been working on that tiddler and it’s not
excluded by your choice of project ;–)

2017-05-22 13:46 GMT+02:00 @TiddlyTweeter :

> Ciao Thomas
>
> There is still a bug in the Work-Report.
>
> Try this ...
>
>1. Create a new normal tiddler with no tags;
>2. Open Work-Report and set "days back" to "1", and set projects to
>"all projects";
>
>
>
> *The Tiddler just created appears on the report, but it shouldn't, it's
> not in ToDoNow.*
>
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>>
>> * bugs fixed on Work-Report (now part of the plugin)
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Josiah

The feature is undocumented yet, because it is experimental. Two things are
to consider:
– it needs an additional macro (my extract) so I might make it an option. I
don’t want to bloat the core
– I am misusing the header tag and will maybe switch to something else like


Thank you for testing the archive!

Cheers, Thomas



@TiddlyTweeter  schrieb am Di. 11. Apr. 2017 um
19:43:

> 1 - THE FEATURE might be worth documenting for users? Once I understood
> what is going on with  syntax  I realised it could be *very
> useful*!
>
> 2 - ARCHIVE tagging. It both works well & looks good. I like how you kept
> the elegance of the design. It really adds to its utility. :-).
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:27:01 UTC+2, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah
>
> 1) Unfortunately the field for days is still misbehaving, yes. I guess I
> will have to add a limit for productive people like me to omit system
> overload by reports ;–)
>
> 2) If it is not a bug, it’s a feature: a PART of a tiddler included in
>  syntax  is shown on the report. I need some details for
> my personal reporting.
>
> Did you try the new archive button?
>
> Cheers, Thomas
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