Re: [time-nuts] PTS310 Manual
In a message dated 15/05/2007 06:45:12 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: no, it is not urgent. I am waiting for the PTS310 to arrive here within the course of the week. After what you have said about its "edge" I am REALLY eager to paly around with it. - Hi Ulrich The PTS310 manual is now available from Didier's web site, as is the manual for the PTS500, and there's some more to follow. It's the PTS160 I have most experience of so far, I have two with all modules fitted and front panel switches, plus another that "only" has modules down to 100Hz, and being able to dial up a clean and precise frequency at a reasonable signal level makes them a great local oscillator as well as good variable reference that can be GPS locked via the external input. Full PC control is the next step, my 310 and X10 are both remote only, as I've at least one HF receiver, normally crystal controlled but takes very well to LO injection, that needs a calculator every time I want to change frequency!! For many things they might be considered overkill, but they do come with a very definite "feel good" factor:-) Using the PTS kit can get a bit silly with something like the Softrock though, a receiver that folks are building into Altoids tins with a local oscillator that fits a 19inch rack:-) regards Nigel GM8PZR ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
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[time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
I am running the Meinberg NTP software on two PCs. Both PCs are running WinXP w/SP2, both are on the same network and both are syncing to servers at pool.ntp.org. In the past, both clocks have shown that the two PCs had the same time. Today, I just noticed that one of the PCs is running about 9 seconds fast, compared to my Casio WWVB watch. As far as I know, nothing has changed to account for the difference. The PC that is fast has been running without a reboot for three months. Does anyone have any ideas? ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
Joseph Gray wrote: > I am running the Meinberg NTP software on two PCs. Both PCs are running > WinXP w/SP2, both are on the same network and both are syncing to servers at > pool.ntp.org. In the past, both clocks have shown that the two PCs had the > same time. Today, I just noticed that one of the PCs is running about 9 > seconds fast, compared to my Casio WWVB watch. > > As far as I know, nothing has changed to account for the difference. The PC > that is fast has been running without a reboot for three months. Does anyone > have any ideas? > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list > time-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > Joseph Are both machines syncing to the same ntp erver? One or both of them of them hasn't synced to 127.127.1.0 by any chance? Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
> Are both machines syncing to the same ntp erver? > One or both of them of them hasn't synced to 127.127.1.0 by any chance? > > Bruce Although they are both using the pool at ntp.org, they are currently syncing to different servers. They both are syncing to stratum 2 servers. Neither is syncing to 127.127.1.0. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
Joseph Gray wrote: >> Are both machines syncing to the same ntp erver? >> One or both of them of them hasn't synced to 127.127.1.0 by any chance? >> >> Bruce >> > > Although they are both using the pool at ntp.org, they are currently syncing > to different servers. They both are syncing to stratum 2 servers. Neither is > syncing to 127.127.1.0. > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list > time-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > Joseph What are the actual IP addresses of the servers they are syncing to? Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
On 5/16/07, Dr Bruce Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What are the actual IP addresses of the servers they are syncing to? Also check the "Internet Time" tab of the "Date and Time Properties" dialog; it will tell you when the last time a successful sync was done. If you have a firewalling router in between the PC and ntp.org it might be blocking the sync. -- Margaret Stephanie Leber CCP, SCJP SCWCD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://voicenet.com/~maggie AOPA 925383 -- Amateur Radio Station K3XS -- ARRL 39280 -- AMSAT 32844 "The art of progress is to preserve order amid change and to preserve change amid order."-A.N.Whitehead ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
> What are the actual IP addresses of the servers they are syncing to? > > Bruce The one with the correct time: Sync to: 64.5.1.130 Offset: 38.346ms Stratum: 3 The one with the wrong time: Sync to: 24.123.66.139 Offset: -1.074ms Stratum: 3 ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
"Joseph Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What are the actual IP addresses of the servers they are syncing to? > > > > Bruce > > The one with the correct time: > Sync to: 64.5.1.130 Offset: 38.346ms Stratum: 3 > > The one with the wrong time: > Sync to: 24.123.66.139 Offset: -1.074ms Stratum: 3 At my QTH both of those servers are Stratum 2 and within a few hundredths of a second of the Right Time. Odd that you see them as Stratum 3, maybe you've got a firewall pulling tricks on you :-). The best way to configure a NTP client is with multiple (preferably 3 or 4) servers, ideally nearby network-wise and diverse time-source wise. It's pretty sad how almost all stratum 1's are locked to GPS these days. If your NTP software doesn't support multiple servers, it is REALLY REALLY a good idea to move to something that does... hint: check out http://www.ntp.org/ Tim. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
Tim Shoppa wrote: > "Joseph Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> What are the actual IP addresses of the servers they are syncing to? >>> >>> Bruce >>> >> The one with the correct time: >> Sync to: 64.5.1.130 Offset: 38.346ms Stratum: 3 >> >> The one with the wrong time: >> Sync to: 24.123.66.139 Offset: -1.074ms Stratum: 3 >> > > At my QTH both of those servers are Stratum 2 and within a few hundredths > of a second of the Right Time. > > Same here some 10,000+ km away Bruce > Odd that you see them as Stratum 3, maybe you've got a firewall pulling > tricks on you :-). > > The best way to configure a NTP client is with multiple (preferably > 3 or 4) servers, ideally nearby network-wise and diverse time-source > wise. It's pretty sad how almost all stratum 1's are locked to GPS > these days. If your NTP software doesn't support multiple servers, > it is REALLY REALLY a good idea to move to something that does... > hint: check out http://www.ntp.org/ > > Tim. > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list > time-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
I am not familiar with the Meinberg software so I am guessing that if you are running that NTP software you would not be using Windows time service? If you don't need Windows time service, go into services and stop the windows time service and set it to "manual" or "disabled". My thinking is the Windows time service may be conflicting with your time software. Mike W8RKO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:20 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows I am running the Meinberg NTP software on two PCs. Both PCs are running WinXP w/SP2, both are on the same network and both are syncing to servers at pool.ntp.org. In the past, both clocks have shown that the two PCs had the same time. Today, I just noticed that one of the PCs is running about 9 seconds fast, compared to my Casio WWVB watch. As far as I know, nothing has changed to account for the difference. The PC that is fast has been running without a reboot for three months. Does anyone have any ideas? ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
> At my QTH both of those servers are Stratum 2 and within a few hundredths > of a second of the Right Time. > > Odd that you see them as Stratum 3, maybe you've got a firewall pulling > tricks on you :-). > > The best way to configure a NTP client is with multiple (preferably > 3 or 4) servers, ideally nearby network-wise and diverse time-source > wise. It's pretty sad how almost all stratum 1's are locked to GPS > these days. If your NTP software doesn't support multiple servers, > it is REALLY REALLY a good idea to move to something that does... > hint: check out http://www.ntp.org/ > > Tim. They do show as stratum 2. That text is showing that my PC is stratum 3. The Meinberg software is a Windows port of the NTP software. It is configured to use three servers from the pool at ntp.org. server 0.us.pool.ntp.org iburst server 1.us.pool.ntp.org iburst server 2.us.pool.ntp.org iburst ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
>I am not familiar with the Meinberg software so I am guessing that if you > are running that NTP software you would not be using Windows time service? > If you don't need Windows time service, go into services and stop the > windows time service and set it to "manual" or "disabled". My thinking is > the Windows time service may be conflicting with your time software. > > Mike > W8RKO Already done. Thanks for trying. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
Ah, well. You seem to have all the bases covered, except for the 9 second error. How about using a freeware SNTP client with those IP addresses. The client needs to keep a log; maybe you will need some shareware. I use Tardis and YATS32. The log will show you gross errors, like seconds. SNTP logs the request time, the receipt time at the server, the sent time at the server and the receipt time at your PC. Dunno about Meinberg. Prefer the Brandenberg Concertos myself. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:13 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows >I am not familiar with the Meinberg software so I am guessing that if >you are running that NTP software you would not be using Windows time service? > If you don't need Windows time service, go into services and stop the >windows time service and set it to "manual" or "disabled". My thinking >is the Windows time service may be conflicting with your time software. > > Mike > W8RKO Already done. Thanks for trying. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
The reference NTP implementation - of which Meinberg provides a packaged M$WIN-version - is perfectly capable of logging. Adding a few more servers to each PC and maybe adding the other PC as a server would make faultfinding easier. -- Björn On Thu, May 17, 2007 4:45, Bill Hawkins said: > Ah, well. You seem to have all the bases covered, except for the 9 > second error. How about using a freeware SNTP client with those IP > addresses. The client needs to keep a log; maybe you will need some > shareware. I use Tardis and YATS32. > > The log will show you gross errors, like seconds. SNTP logs the > request time, the receipt time at the server, the sent time at the > server and the receipt time at your PC. > > Dunno about Meinberg. Prefer the Brandenberg Concertos myself. > > Bill Hawkins > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Joseph Gray > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:13 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows > >>I am not familiar with the Meinberg software so I am guessing that if >>you are running that NTP software you would not be using Windows time > service? >> If you don't need Windows time service, go into services and stop the > >>windows time service and set it to "manual" or "disabled". My thinking > >>is the Windows time service may be conflicting with your time > software. >> >> Mike >> W8RKO > > Already done. Thanks for trying. > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list > time-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list > time-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
As a test, I just restarted the NTP service on the PC that was off. It is now keeping the correct time. Strange. - Original Message - From: "Björn Gabrielsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows The reference NTP implementation - of which Meinberg provides a packaged M$WIN-version - is perfectly capable of logging. Adding a few more servers to each PC and maybe adding the other PC as a server would make faultfinding easier. -- Björn On Thu, May 17, 2007 4:45, Bill Hawkins said: > Ah, well. You seem to have all the bases covered, except for the 9 > second error. How about using a freeware SNTP client with those IP > addresses. The client needs to keep a log; maybe you will need some > shareware. I use Tardis and YATS32. > > The log will show you gross errors, like seconds. SNTP logs the > request time, the receipt time at the server, the sent time at the > server and the receipt time at your PC. > > Dunno about Meinberg. Prefer the Brandenberg Concertos myself. > > Bill Hawkins > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Joseph Gray > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:13 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows > >>I am not familiar with the Meinberg software so I am guessing that if >>you are running that NTP software you would not be using Windows time > service? >> If you don't need Windows time service, go into services and stop the > >>windows time service and set it to "manual" or "disabled". My thinking > >>is the Windows time service may be conflicting with your time > software. >> >> Mike >> W8RKO > > Already done. Thanks for trying. > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list > time-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list > time-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
--- Joseph Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a test, I just restarted the NTP service on the PC that was off. > It is now keeping the correct time. Strange. Not so strange. I routinely reboot all of our Windows machines; otherwise they become flaky and unreliable. Win 98 needed to be done about twice a day or they'd crash. Win 2000 will often last several days. Linux boxes never need rebooting... /b Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows
I use Linux as well as Windows, where appropriate. In this case, I did not reboot the Windows system in question. I only restarted the NTP service, which is a port of the opensource NTP daemon by Meinberg. I know Windows bashing is a popular sport, but in this case, I don't think it is applicable. Over the years, I have had problems on Linux systems as well. - Original Message - From: "Rasputin Novgorod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows > > --- Joseph Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> As a test, I just restarted the NTP service on the PC that was off. >> It is now keeping the correct time. Strange. > > Not so strange. > > I routinely reboot all of our Windows machines; otherwise > they become flaky and unreliable. Win 98 needed to be > done about twice a day or they'd crash. Win 2000 will often > last several days. Linux boxes never need rebooting... > > /b > > > > Be > > a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who > knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list > time-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
