Re: [time-nuts] ? phase comparison or other device

2007-06-25 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Ulrich Bangert wrote:
 Pete,

   
  5. Mini-circuits BLP-1.9 low pass filter.
 

 terminating the mixer if output with an lowpass/bandpass filter and NOT
 with an diplexer is not so good an idea. Where does the rf go?

 Best regards
 Ulrich Bangert

   
Ulrich

This depends on whether the low pass filter has a shunt capacitor at its 
input or a series inductor.
With the shunt capacitor the RF is shunted to ground through this capacitor.
With a series inductor the RF sees a relatively high input impedance and 
the mixer will not perform well.

Bruce

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Re: [time-nuts] 1 PPS visual Test

2007-06-25 Thread Raimond Melkers


I'll try that out, and let you know how it goes! 

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Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:32
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of precise time and frequency
measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 1 PPS visual Test

Using Normal triggering, any digital scope will allow you to see the 1PPS
edges clearly.  Most analog scopes should have enough brightness at
reasonably high sweep rate to see the edges in a darkened room or using a
hood.  Turn the brightness up to just below the point where a steady dot is
seen on the screen with no trigger.

David

At 01:02 PM 6/25/2007, you wrote:
Randy,
and that's what I'm looking for, the actual measurement isn't that 
important, the fidelity of the pulse is. The concern is, that if I over 
drive the out put amplifiers of the distribution amps, I can make a 
VERY ugly picture, much like taking a five MHz sine wave, and turning 
it into a dirty semi square wave generator.

Raimond

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From: Randy Warner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:57
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Discussion of precise time and 
frequency measurement'
Subject: RE: [time-nuts] 1 PPS visual Test

Raimond,

About the only thing you can do is put the scope in normal trigger 
mode, looking for a positive going transition. If you set the 
horizontal sweep at about 1mS/cm you should see the rising edge of the 
pulse once per second. If you have an old scope without any storage 
capability the image will naturally fade quickly. This may take some 
tweaking on the trigger settings for the scope, but you should be able 
to find a combination of trigger settings and horizontal division size that
will work.

If your scope's trigger circuitry is stable enough you should be able 
to decrease the horizontal division size so that you can get a general 
idea of what the leading edge of the 1PPS pulse looks like. Depending 
on the receiver it should have a very fast rise-time and be a smooth ramp.

Naturally, you will not be able to make any measurements as to the 
accuracy of the pulse, but this will give you a quick health check.

Best regards,

Randy Warner
Senior Applications Engineer
Geodetics, Inc.
858.729.0872

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Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:43 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: [time-nuts] 1 PPS visual

  Any suggestions on the simplest, semi inexpensive way, to be able to 
look at a one Pulse Per Second wave form? It's seems that most 
oscilloscopes will not let me look that low in frequency. Basically I 
want to know, and see if I have a pure, clean 1 PPS waveform.

thanks,
Raimond



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Re: [time-nuts] 1 PPS visual Test

2007-06-25 Thread Raimond Melkers
Randy, 
and that's what I'm looking for, the actual measurement isn't that
important, the fidelity of the pulse is. The concern is, that if I over
drive the out put amplifiers of the distribution amps, I can make a VERY
ugly picture, much like taking a five MHz sine wave, and turning it into a
dirty semi square wave generator.

Raimond

-Original Message-
From: Randy Warner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:57
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Discussion of precise time and frequency
measurement'
Subject: RE: [time-nuts] 1 PPS visual Test

Raimond,

About the only thing you can do is put the scope in normal trigger mode,
looking for a positive going transition. If you set the horizontal sweep at
about 1mS/cm you should see the rising edge of the pulse once per second. If
you have an old scope without any storage capability the image will
naturally fade quickly. This may take some tweaking on the trigger settings
for the scope, but you should be able to find a combination of trigger
settings and horizontal division size that will work.

If your scope's trigger circuitry is stable enough you should be able to
decrease the horizontal division size so that you can get a general idea of
what the leading edge of the 1PPS pulse looks like. Depending on the
receiver it should have a very fast rise-time and be a smooth ramp.

Naturally, you will not be able to make any measurements as to the accuracy
of the pulse, but this will give you a quick health check.

Best regards,
 
Randy Warner
Senior Applications Engineer
Geodetics, Inc.
858.729.0872

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Raimond Melkers
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:43 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: [time-nuts] 1 PPS visual

 Any suggestions on the simplest, semi inexpensive way, to be able to look
at a one Pulse Per Second wave form? It's seems that most oscilloscopes will
not let me look that low in frequency. Basically I want to know, and see if
I have a pure, clean 1 PPS waveform.

thanks,
Raimond



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