Re: [time-nuts] VIGO time interval devices

2011-11-01 Thread Azelio Boriani
What about the Racal Instruments (Racal Dana) 2351 8pS, 300MHz? Yes, it is
VXI but 8pS one-shot seems interesting...

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Arthur Dent golgarfrinc...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Has anyone looked into the Picotest (also sold as Array) U6200A TIC?

 Looks like DC-6Ghz with 12 digits/sec and 40ps resolution. Check

 the specs at:

 http://www.picotest.com.tw/product02.html

 One seller on the popular auction site has them for $1270 (with shipping).


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Universal-Frequency-Counter-meter-ARRAY-U6200A-/270788500453


  -Arthur
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Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 EFC error

2011-11-01 Thread Robert Benward

Joe,
Good guess.  It's a 10811 with an additional oven wrapped around it for 
better thermal control.  I'll check it in a couple days when I get home.  Is 
this thermal fuse on the outside?


Anyone have a schematic of this unit?

Bob

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I think it uses a 10811 OCXO.  See if it is warm.  If not, perhaps the
'thermal fuse'?

Joe

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Subject: [time-nuts] Z3801 EFC error

Hi,
My Z3801 just crapped out.  It seems that the DAC has ramped up to the
rails, 1048560, and I'm getting an EFC fault.  Any tips before I open the
unit and start poking around?  The oscillator is running and pretty close 
to

10MHz, I don't have any reference accurate enough to check it.  Any trends
here, is it the EFC in the oscillator or is it the DAC and following
amplifiers?

Thanks, Bob
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[time-nuts] VIGO time interval devices

2011-11-01 Thread Arthur Dent
The specs for the Racal 2351 indicate it might take 16.6 minutes to attain 8ps 

resolution, if I understand the specs correctly. Check under resolution mode 

vs max. sample rate, meas. time under input characteristics on the spec 
sheet.

http://www.testequipmentconnection.com/tecspecs/Racal_Instruments_2351.PDF

-Arthur
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Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 EFC error

2011-11-01 Thread J. L. Trantham
Bob,

The thermal fuse is inside the OCXO which is inside the outer oven.  There
was a recent (past week or so) thread on this list about a thermal fuse
failure including pictures of the inside where the fuse is located.  This,
however, was for the 'non' wrapped version of the 10811.  The problem will
be getting past the outer oven.  I've never tried that though I have
replaced the thermal fuse on the 'non' wrapped 10811.  That was really
straight forward.

I don't recall seeing a manual specifically for the 'wrapped' version of the
10811 but the manual for the 'non' wrapped version is available on the
internet.  I think one is on Didier's site.

The trouble shooting guide is very helpful in finding out if the thermal
fuse is the problem.  Just measure the heater circuit current for the inner
oven.  If zero, the thermal fuse is the place to start.  The outer oven,
though, I think is separate.  If your Z3801A is used indoors, I suspect the
outer oven is probably not needed.

Good luck.

Joe


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From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Robert Benward
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:00 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 EFC error

Joe,
Good guess.  It's a 10811 with an additional oven wrapped around it for 
better thermal control.  I'll check it in a couple days when I get home.  Is

this thermal fuse on the outside?

Anyone have a schematic of this unit?

Bob

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From: J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' 
time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 EFC error


I think it uses a 10811 OCXO.  See if it is warm.  If not, perhaps the
 'thermal fuse'?

 Joe

 -Original Message-
 From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
 Behalf Of Bob
 Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:17 PM
 To: time-nuts@febo.com
 Subject: [time-nuts] Z3801 EFC error

 Hi,
 My Z3801 just crapped out.  It seems that the DAC has ramped up to the
 rails, 1048560, and I'm getting an EFC fault.  Any tips before I open the
 unit and start poking around?  The oscillator is running and pretty close 
 to
 10MHz, I don't have any reference accurate enough to check it.  Any trends
 here, is it the EFC in the oscillator or is it the DAC and following
 amplifiers?

 Thanks, Bob
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Re: [time-nuts] C-Max Receiver Experiment

2011-11-01 Thread Tom Van Baak

There's a nice set of WWVB 'scope traces here:
http://leapsecond.com/pages/sony-wwvb/

/tvb


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Re: [time-nuts] VIGO time interval devices

2011-11-01 Thread Jose Camara
There seems to be a deluge of these OEM counters, mimicking the 53132
operation, with a bit better specs and built-in 3rd channel.

Berkeley Nucleonics has them, Keithley has them, they all must come
from the same Chinese OEM. Maybe the quality is good, maybe the specs are
honest and apples to apples. Or maybe not.

The only experience I had was with another Agilent knock-off, the
BNC-branded arb generator model 645, which was cheaper than the Agilent,
with a higher frequency capability (50MHz compared to 20MHz) and SCPI
compatible. Didn't check side by side on a spectrum analyzer, but for the
application I had it worked fine.  As a plus, it had also digital output on
the back (16 bits) so it doubled as a cheap word generator.

It would be nice for a real time nutter to get one (BNC often
offered 1 month loaners) and measure the actual performance.  One thing we
will only know 10 years from now is if they last as long as the HPs - or if
the manufacturer will still exist.

BNC has a comparison to Agilent and Pendulum on their site. Caveat
Emptor. http://www.berkeleynucleonics.com/Comp/1105/1105_comp_chart.htm

Jose

 
-Original Message-
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Arthur Dent
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 2:25 PM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] VIGO time interval devices

Has anyone looked into the Picotest (also sold as Array) U6200A TIC? 

Looks like DC-6Ghz with 12 digits/sec and 40ps resolution. Check 

the specs at:

http://www.picotest.com.tw/product02.html

One seller on the popular auction site has them for $1270 (with shipping).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Universal-Frequency-Counter-meter-ARRAY-U6200A-/
270788500453


 -Arthur
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