[time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie
It's a dark and quiet night, and list traffic is way down, so please forgive me for this way off topic request. I'm writing a book about automation and have a chapter on the future thereof. I have a dim memory of a TV show or movie in black and white that has the teeming billions of earth living in high-rise buildings, each in a self- contained room. Occasionally, they work by pedaling a machine that generates electricity for the tower. Their leader exorts them to work harder through a wall-sized TV set. Does anybody recognize that scenario? At least one writer has suggested welfare dormitories for the 50% of workers made redundant by automation around 2050. Would like to get it into the book if I had a reference. Note the use of a time in the future to stay near topic. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie
Are you sure it is fiction? It sounds like the only place Lance Armstrong will be allowed to ride his bike in 2050. Thomas Knox From: b...@iaxs.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:05:13 -0500 Subject: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie It's a dark and quiet night, and list traffic is way down, so please forgive me for this way off topic request. I'm writing a book about automation and have a chapter on the future thereof. I have a dim memory of a TV show or movie in black and white that has the teeming billions of earth living in high-rise buildings, each in a self- contained room. Occasionally, they work by pedaling a machine that generates electricity for the tower. Their leader exorts them to work harder through a wall-sized TV set. Does anybody recognize that scenario? At least one writer has suggested welfare dormitories for the 50% of workers made redundant by automation around 2050. Would like to get it into the book if I had a reference. Note the use of a time in the future to stay near topic. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie
Bill, Seems to me the movie Fifth Element had some kind of living quarters similar to what you are suggesting sans the bicycle thing. BillWB6BNQ Bill Hawkins wrote: It's a dark and quiet night, and list traffic is way down, so please forgive me for this way off topic request. I'm writing a book about automation and have a chapter on the future thereof. I have a dim memory of a TV show or movie in black and white that has the teeming billions of earth living in high-rise buildings, each in a self- contained room. Occasionally, they work by pedaling a machine that generates electricity for the tower. Their leader exorts them to work harder through a wall-sized TV set. Does anybody recognize that scenario? At least one writer has suggested welfare dormitories for the 50% of workers made redundant by automation around 2050. Would like to get it into the book if I had a reference. Note the use of a time in the future to stay near topic. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie
Hi Bill, El Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:05:13 -0500 Bill Hawkins b...@iaxs.net comentaba: I have a dim memory of a TV show or movie in black and white that has the teeming billions of earth living in high-rise buildings, each in a self- contained room. Occasionally, they work by pedaling a machine that generates electricity for the tower. Their leader exorts them to work harder through a wall-sized TV set. I think is Black Mirror's 2nd episode: Fifteen Million Merits (very insightful, indeed). Kind regards, -- Pablo Garaizar Sagarminaga Universidad de Deusto Avda. de las Universidades 24 48007 Bilbao - Spain Phone: +34-94-4139000 Ext 2512 Fax: +34-94-4139101 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie
Not sure about your film reference but a Google search on humans pedal to generate electricity provides some 200,000 replies with quite a few indicating this is already being done, albeit on a smaller scale, from locations such as a Danish Hotel to Brazillian prisons, and with commercial and DIY projects aimed at individuals also available. It seems to be quite a common theme in fiction too so perhaps your film is somewhere in those results but I don't have time, spot the doomed attempt to keep at least vaguely on-topic again:-), to check them all. Amongst plenty of other works of fiction that include this concept as part of the plot, and the IMDB does indicate this one to be a work in progress as far as a proposed film is concerned, is a book entitled Go-Go Girls of the Apocalypse. Whether or not the work itself is worthy of any consideration whatsoever I have no idea, but it deserves an award just for the title:-) Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 25/09/2012 07:05:55 GMT Daylight Time, b...@iaxs.net writes: It's a dark and quiet night, and list traffic is way down, so please forgive me for this way off topic request. I'm writing a book about automation and have a chapter on the future thereof. I have a dim memory of a TV show or movie in black and white that has the teeming billions of earth living in high-rise buildings, each in a self- contained room. Occasionally, they work by pedaling a machine that generates electricity for the tower. Their leader exorts them to work harder through a wall-sized TV set. Does anybody recognize that scenario? At least one writer has suggested welfare dormitories for the 50% of workers made redundant by automation around 2050. Would like to get it into the book if I had a reference. Note the use of a time in the future to stay near topic. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie
It sounds familiar, but I can't put a finger on it. For some reason, it reminds me of the Lovecraft story about the circular prison complex that the prisoners had to rotate one cell at a time via a big rope once a day. .. -Dave - Original Message - From: Bill Hawkins b...@iaxs.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 11:05:13 PM Subject: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie It's a dark and quiet night, and list traffic is way down, so please forgive me for this way off topic request. I'm writing a book about automation and have a chapter on the future thereof. I have a dim memory of a TV show or movie in black and white that has the teeming billions of earth living in high-rise buildings, each in a self- contained room. Occasionally, they work by pedaling a machine that generates electricity for the tower. Their leader exorts them to work harder through a wall-sized TV set. Does anybody recognize that scenario? At least one writer has suggested welfare dormitories for the 50% of workers made redundant by automation around 2050. Would like to get it into the book if I had a reference. Note the use of a time in the future to stay near topic. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie
Sounds like the OP's story was from Harry Harrison's nightmarish novel of overpopulation Make Room, Make Room!. Incidentally I do not know the Lovecraft story mentioned below, do you have a title? A circular rotating prison sounds like a nightmare from the 20th century's other great fantasist Borges, who also wrote stories where time was twisted and stopped, to remain true to the list :) On 25 September 2012 18:14, d.sei...@comcast.net wrote: It sounds familiar, but I can't put a finger on it. For some reason, it reminds me of the Lovecraft story about the circular prison complex that the prisoners had to rotate one cell at a time via a big rope once a day. .. -Dave - Original Message - From: Bill Hawkins b...@iaxs.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 11:05:13 PM Subject: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie It's a dark and quiet night, and list traffic is way down, so please forgive me for this way off topic request. I'm writing a book about automation and have a chapter on the future thereof. I have a dim memory of a TV show or movie in black and white that has the teeming billions of earth living in high-rise buildings, each in a self- contained room. Occasionally, they work by pedaling a machine that generates electricity for the tower. Their leader exorts them to work harder through a wall-sized TV set. Does anybody recognize that scenario? At least one writer has suggested welfare dormitories for the 50% of workers made redundant by automation around 2050. Would like to get it into the book if I had a reference. Note the use of a time in the future to stay near topic. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Tom Harris celephi...@gmail.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie
Sounds like US in the future of a 'green' planet. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hawkins Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 1:05 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie It's a dark and quiet night, and list traffic is way down, so please forgive me for this way off topic request. I'm writing a book about automation and have a chapter on the future thereof. I have a dim memory of a TV show or movie in black and white that has the teeming billions of earth living in high-rise buildings, each in a self- contained room. Occasionally, they work by pedaling a machine that generates electricity for the tower. Their leader exorts them to work harder through a wall-sized TV set. Does anybody recognize that scenario? At least one writer has suggested welfare dormitories for the 50% of workers made redundant by automation around 2050. Would like to get it into the book if I had a reference. Note the use of a time in the future to stay near topic. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Javad Letter to FCC...
http://www.gpsworld.com/javad-asserts-filters-protect-gps-l1-l2-l5-glonass- l1-l2-galileo-l1-l5/ I'm wondering how much LightSquared are paying this guy? Rob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie
Which was made into the movie Soylent Green. On 9/25/2012 5:34 AM, Tom Harris wrote: Sounds like the OP's story was from Harry Harrison's nightmarish novel of overpopulation Make Room, Make Room!. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie
Hi Which did indeed have a scene in it where they are peddling bikes to charge batteries as their source of power... Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Brent Gordon Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:21 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie Which was made into the movie Soylent Green. On 9/25/2012 5:34 AM, Tom Harris wrote: Sounds like the OP's story was from Harry Harrison's nightmarish novel of overpopulation Make Room, Make Room!. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] space-time crystal: ultimate time?
http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2012/09/24/a-clock-that-will-last-forever/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Gigatronics 6061A Manual request
Doug Good to hear from you been a while. I actually do not need the manual. The attachment did not come through. Maybe one day I will luck into 6062a I do have the 6060 and its been a great box for 10 years. But I did realize that the gigatronics line is also the fluke line and it may be easier to find those manuals. Not sure who purchased who suspect Fluke purchased Gigatronoics. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:22 PM, k4...@aol.com k4...@aol.com wrote: Paul, I just sent you guys a copy of my 6062A manual from my office email system. Let me know if you have trouble receiving it. 73s, Doug Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2012 22:38:00 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Gigatronics 6061A Manual request This might be easier then we think Gigatronics is Fluke or visa versa. So I have as an example the Fluke 6060a and believe I found the documents online the 61 and 62 were higher frequency models using I think multiplier and filter methods. Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Didier Juges shali...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, If the manual is unencumbered, I would appreciate it if you could upload it to my site http://www.ko4bb.com/manuals/ Thanks in advance, Diier KO4BB On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 6:45 PM, k4...@aol.com k4...@aol.com wrote: Chuck, Did someone send you a manual? I have a 6062A, probably very similar and I have the manual on a CD. I can send it to you (preferably off-line if you don't mind giving me your email address). Regards, Doug, K4CLE Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 08:40:36 GMT+00:00 Subject: [time-nuts] Gigatronics 6061A Manual request Does anyone have a PDF of the user and/or service manual for a Gigatronics/Fluke 6061A synthesized RF signal generator? -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Technology Inc The High Reliability Software 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nuts https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/**mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nuts https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/**mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/**mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] space-time crystal: ultimate time?
I always new crystals were better then these CS and RB power sucking things. Hmm just need an ion trap or two. Maybe I will have to stick to GPS and WWVB for a bit. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Eric Williams wd6...@earthlink.net wrote: http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2012/09/24/a-clock-that-will-last-forever/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] space-time crystal: ultimate time?
Hi I suspect it's going to have the same issues as other ion trap standards. The first one that usually pops up is the need to cool the walls of the cavity to absolute zero, so stray heat doesn't speed things up. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 1:42 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] space-time crystal: ultimate time? I always new crystals were better then these CS and RB power sucking things. Hmm just need an ion trap or two. Maybe I will have to stick to GPS and WWVB for a bit. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Eric Williams wd6...@earthlink.net wrote: http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2012/09/24/a-clock-that-will-last-fo rever/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] space-time crystal: ultimate time?
What I can't figure out is, if the crystal has to stay in its lowest quantum state, how are you ever going to get a signal out of it to read it? -- eric On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:42 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: I always new crystals were better then these CS and RB power sucking things. Hmm just need an ion trap or two. Maybe I will have to stick to GPS and WWVB for a bit. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Eric Williams wd6...@earthlink.net wrote: http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2012/09/24/a-clock-that-will-last-forever/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Question on OSA8600 Oscillators
Gentlemen, I have currently two OSA 8600 in my house for testing purposes. One of them says VAR 02 on the label and has an explanation of the pinning of the D-Sub connector on it. I wired a cable with that pinning and made my the first measurements with this oscillator. The second oscillator says VAR 60 and is different from the first in that the enclosure is abt. 2 longer than the first one due too an additional piece of tubing that is connected with some screws to the original body which is the same size as the first oscillator. When I connect my cable to the second oscillator it draws no current from the power supply and no output signal is available. Does anyone of you have the pinning for the second type of OSA 8600 available? The serial # is 822, the supply voltage is 24V and there is additional information on the label saying A0320666 and QNM 58A which I am not aware for what it stands for. Thanks in advance for your help Ulrich Bangert www.ulrich-bangert.de Ortholzer Weg 1 27243 Gross Ippener ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Question on OSA8600 Oscillators
Hi Ulrich; It was to adapt the BVA to a telecom system. I cannot remember the exact pin out. You can easily check by removing that extension. It houses a POT and the DB9 to DB9 crossover wiring adapter. You can then see the correct pinout since the internal DB9 connector on the main BVA is conventionally wired. Email of call if I can be of more help. Best Wishes; Tom Knox Time and Frequency Division NIST 4475 Whitney Place Boulder Colorado 80305 1-303-554-0307 From: df...@ulrich-bangert.de To: time-nuts@febo.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 20:14:47 +0200 Subject: [time-nuts] Question on OSA8600 Oscillators Gentlemen, I have currently two OSA 8600 in my house for testing purposes. One of them says VAR 02 on the label and has an explanation of the pinning of the D-Sub connector on it. I wired a cable with that pinning and made my the first measurements with this oscillator. The second oscillator says VAR 60 and is different from the first in that the enclosure is abt. 2 longer than the first one due too an additional piece of tubing that is connected with some screws to the original body which is the same size as the first oscillator. When I connect my cable to the second oscillator it draws no current from the power supply and no output signal is available. Does anyone of you have the pinning for the second type of OSA 8600 available? The serial # is 822, the supply voltage is 24V and there is additional information on the label saying A0320666 and QNM 58A which I am not aware for what it stands for. Thanks in advance for your help Ulrich Bangert www.ulrich-bangert.de Ortholzer Weg 1 27243 Gross Ippener ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] [Fwd: WWVB Protocol Notification]
Original Message Subject: WWVB Protocol Notification From:John Lowe l...@boulder.nist.gov Date:Tue, September 25, 2012 1:11 pm To: Cc: Lowe, John P john.l...@nist.gov -- Please see: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb.cfm for pdf of final WWVB Protocol . ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] [Fwd: WWVB Protocol Notification]
Hi So now the question becomes, how well can you track the 100ms after the second point that the phase reverses? Put another way: How fast do they *really* invert the phase? Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:30 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] [Fwd: WWVB Protocol Notification] Original Message Subject: WWVB Protocol Notification From:John Lowe l...@boulder.nist.gov Date:Tue, September 25, 2012 1:11 pm To: Cc: Lowe, John P john.l...@nist.gov -- Please see: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb.cfm for pdf of final WWVB Protocol . ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver
Hi: So how do we make a receiver to decode the PM format? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html J. Forster wrote: Original Message Subject: WWVB Protocol Notification From:John Lowe l...@boulder.nist.gov Date:Tue, September 25, 2012 1:11 pm To: Cc: Lowe, John P john.l...@nist.gov -- Please see: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb.cfm for pdf of final WWVB Protocol . ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver
File an FOIA request? -John == Hi: So how do we make a receiver to decode the PM format? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html J. Forster wrote: Original Message Subject: WWVB Protocol Notification From:John Lowe l...@boulder.nist.gov Date:Tue, September 25, 2012 1:11 pm To: Cc: Lowe, John P john.l...@nist.gov -- Please see: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb.cfm for pdf of final WWVB Protocol . ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver
Hi Given the low frequency, it's not to hard or expensive to do a DSP radio. A true FPGA (not a CPLD) would do it pretty easily. You could probably do it with a reasonably fast micro controller. Normally the ADC would be a significant chunk of the cost. At 60 KHz … not so much. Bob On Sep 25, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi: So how do we make a receiver to decode the PM format? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html J. Forster wrote: Original Message Subject: WWVB Protocol Notification From:John Lowe l...@boulder.nist.gov Date:Tue, September 25, 2012 1:11 pm To: Cc: Lowe, John P john.l...@nist.gov -- Please see: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb.cfm for pdf of final WWVB Protocol . ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver
Brooke There is indeed additional detail in the spec that we had not seen. So I will do some reading tonight. However I am still working on the d-psk-r and at least at this point may have a mod that works. It does on my local home brew bpsk generator even when I add a great deal of noise. Though the noise added is really a flat noise nothing like the ugly stuff on 60 KHz with impulse and such. But what I have is not a very generalized approach. Whats very interesting and others have mentioned there can be some very creative ways to approach the BPSK if all you are interested in is getting rid of the BPSK. You can down convert the signal and sample on a sound card using tools like Spectrum Lab. Talk about a sledge hammer approach. Its pretty interesting. But like you I am curious is there a chip set that does the magic available from DigiKey for $3.95? Would hope that what ever comes out might have a phase control signal. Or does this cost an arm and a leg? Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi: So how do we make a receiver to decode the PM format? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.**end2partygovernment.com/**2012Issues.htmlhttp://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html J. Forster wrote: Original Message Subject: WWVB Protocol Notification From:John Lowe l...@boulder.nist.gov Date:Tue, September 25, 2012 1:11 pm To: Cc: Lowe, John P john.l...@nist.gov --**--** -- Please see: http://www.nist.gov/pml/**div688/grp40/wwvb.cfmhttp://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb.cfm for pdf of final WWVB Protocol . __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver
I'm actually not joking about an FOIA. It would probably be worth asking John Lowe for the design and code first though. YMMV, -John = Brooke There is indeed additional detail in the spec that we had not seen. So I will do some reading tonight. However I am still working on the d-psk-r and at least at this point may have a mod that works. It does on my local home brew bpsk generator even when I add a great deal of noise. Though the noise added is really a flat noise nothing like the ugly stuff on 60 KHz with impulse and such. But what I have is not a very generalized approach. Whats very interesting and others have mentioned there can be some very creative ways to approach the BPSK if all you are interested in is getting rid of the BPSK. You can down convert the signal and sample on a sound card using tools like Spectrum Lab. Talk about a sledge hammer approach. Its pretty interesting. But like you I am curious is there a chip set that does the magic available from DigiKey for $3.95? Would hope that what ever comes out might have a phase control signal. Or does this cost an arm and a leg? Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi: So how do we make a receiver to decode the PM format? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.**end2partygovernment.com/**2012Issues.htmlhttp://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html J. Forster wrote: Original Message Subject: WWVB Protocol Notification From:John Lowe l...@boulder.nist.gov Date:Tue, September 25, 2012 1:11 pm To: Cc: Lowe, John P john.l...@nist.gov --**--** -- Please see: http://www.nist.gov/pml/**div688/grp40/wwvb.cfmhttp://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb.cfm for pdf of final WWVB Protocol . __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] [Fwd: WWVB Protocol Notification]
Bob way faster then the low on the analog side I believe. I was using the gps tick to try to catch it and never did. Maybe a digital oscope would have done the job. Also tried the gps tic as a cheatn compare point for checking phase. That wasn't useful. Regards Paul. On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi So now the question becomes, how well can you track the 100ms after the second point that the phase reverses? Put another way: How fast do they *really* invert the phase? Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:30 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] [Fwd: WWVB Protocol Notification] Original Message Subject: WWVB Protocol Notification From:John Lowe l...@boulder.nist.gov Date:Tue, September 25, 2012 1:11 pm To: Cc: Lowe, John P john.l...@nist.gov -- Please see: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb.cfm for pdf of final WWVB Protocol . ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi: So how do we make a receiver to decode the PM format? With a transmit freq so low you could directly sample the RF with a not-very-fast A/D converter.However I'd want some selectivity in the front end before sampling. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 06:15:06PM -0400, paul swed wrote: But like you I am curious is there a chip set that does the magic available from DigiKey for $3.95? Would hope that what ever comes out might have a phase control signal. Or does this cost an arm and a leg? Paul, http://www.xtendwave.com/ is a little bare. The only mention they have of the product is: http://www.xtendwave.com/EverSet.pdf It does not appear that they have a shipping product today. I'm not really clear on why it's necessary to change the modulation before the chipset is even on the market, but that seems to be the way it is. Various patent searches haven't turned up much, either, but I could be missing something. As for an FOIA request, if someone's going to file one, I'd be happy to chip in towards any duplicating fees. I can also scan documents if needed. --msa ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Javad Letter to FCC...
Is he going to retrofit every GPS dependent device already in service for free??? I'm also suspicious of the steepness of the filter skirts. They seem to be too good to be true and I've looked at a lot of filters through multiple VNA's and scalar analyzers Ou Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Rob Kimberley robkimber...@btinternet.com wrote: http://www.gpsworld.com/javad-asserts-filters-protect-gps-l1-l2-l5-glonass- l1-l2-galileo-l1-l5/ I'm wondering how much LightSquared are paying this guy? Rob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver
Hi As long as you deal with straight overload, an ADC based receiver doesn't need as much front end selectivity as you might think. A fairly simple L/C filter should be plenty. A tuned antenna probably is going to provide all the selectivity you'd need. Bob On Sep 25, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi: So how do we make a receiver to decode the PM format? With a transmit freq so low you could directly sample the RF with a not-very-fast A/D converter.However I'd want some selectivity in the front end before sampling. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Javad Letter to FCC...
These filters have been extensively tested with five different innovative tests Obviously you don't know the 'innovative' tests that can test 'perfect' filters to prove the vertical cutoffs. Mike On 9/25/2012 7:22 PM, Scott McGrath wrote: Is he going to retrofit every GPS dependent device already in service for free??? I'm also suspicious of the steepness of the filter skirts. They seem to be too good to be true and I've looked at a lot of filters through multiple VNA's and scalar analyzers Ou Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Rob Kimberley robkimber...@btinternet.com wrote: http://www.gpsworld.com/javad-asserts-filters-protect-gps-l1-l2-l5-glonass- l1-l2-galileo-l1-l5/ I'm wondering how much LightSquared are paying this guy? Rob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Javad Letter to FCC...
He seems to give no specs on group delay. That is very critical for timing applications, but not much of an issue for your iPhone if you don't mind yet another 10m of error. My 2 cents... -Brian, WA1ZMS -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Scott McGrath Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:23 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Javad Letter to FCC... Is he going to retrofit every GPS dependent device already in service for free??? I'm also suspicious of the steepness of the filter skirts. They seem to be too good to be true and I've looked at a lot of filters through multiple VNA's and scalar analyzers Ou Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Rob Kimberley robkimber...@btinternet.com wrote: http://www.gpsworld.com/javad-asserts-filters-protect-gps-l1-l2-l5-gl onass- l1-l2-galileo-l1-l5/ I'm wondering how much LightSquared are paying this guy? Rob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Low power timekeeping
I've seen at least one good web site out there discussing pedaling to generate electricity for home use. Here is an example I like: Pedal Power Generator - Electricity From Exercise http://www.los-gatos.ca.us/davidbu/pedgen.html But this is time nuts. Has anybody looked into low powered sources of time/frequency? What would a time-nut do if living off-grid? (Or just being a nut and going for low power?) Ballpark for a bicycle is 100 watts. If you do that for an hour a day, you get 4 watts averaged over 24 hours. You could double that by working harder or longer, but 10x gets tough. If I did the math right, tvb's numbers say a TBolt takes 3.25 watts (after warmup) http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt/power.htm That doesn't leave much leftover for lights and such. How good a clock could you get at much lower power? I guess I'm looking for something (logarithmically) between a watch and a GPSDO. Solar is another possibility. I think that just turns into how much space you have and/or how much you are willing to spend for solar panels. (and where you live) -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Low power timekeeping
Hal, The Csac takes 115mW, and a good GPS takes another 100mW or so. The Csac has a 1pps input for primitive disciplining from the GPS. Turning on the GPS for 5 minutes every hour gives about 150mW total consumption with supply losses. Can't get more stability than that for less power anywhere. Said Sent From iPhone On Sep 25, 2012, at 19:19, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: I've seen at least one good web site out there discussing pedaling to generate electricity for home use. Here is an example I like: Pedal Power Generator - Electricity From Exercise http://www.los-gatos.ca.us/davidbu/pedgen.html But this is time nuts. Has anybody looked into low powered sources of time/frequency? What would a time-nut do if living off-grid? (Or just being a nut and going for low power?) Ballpark for a bicycle is 100 watts. If you do that for an hour a day, you get 4 watts averaged over 24 hours. You could double that by working harder or longer, but 10x gets tough. If I did the math right, tvb's numbers say a TBolt takes 3.25 watts (after warmup) http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt/power.htm That doesn't leave much leftover for lights and such. How good a clock could you get at much lower power? I guess I'm looking for something (logarithmically) between a watch and a GPSDO. Solar is another possibility. I think that just turns into how much space you have and/or how much you are willing to spend for solar panels. (and where you live) -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver
I have had a neat little WWVB receiver hanging around the lab that was made by a now defunct company called Elemek out of East Syracuse, New York. It was manufactured in 1979 and consists of a handful of discrete components for the RF front end followed by simple CMOS logic and a few analog op amps to provide a buffered 60 kHz carrier output, a 100 kHz square wave phase locked to the WWVB carrier plus demodulated WWVB time code. The whole unit is about the size of a loaf of bread and requires 12V at 30 mA for operation. It is quite an interesting design. This company was in the business of contract development and design services. They did some unusual work in the form of an electronic stencil maker, the world's first electronic ski binding (!) and a work crew availability status system. I think I see why they disappeared. Greg ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Low power timekeeping
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: How good a clock could you get at much lower power? I guess I'm looking for something (logarithmically) between a watch and a GPSDO. The trick to ultra-low power, I think, is to not run the GPS receiver full time. If you literally want something between a wrist watch and a GPSDO then build a GPS disciplined wrist watch GPSDWW. Let the watch run open loop until say an hour then turn on the GPS for a few seconds, adjust the watch then power off the GPS. Likely you'd use something better then a watch crystal but almost as low power Rather then spend a lot of energy with a heater and oven to stabilize the temperature I think you can dig a deep hole in the ground like a well and burry the oscillator and have an ultra stabile temperature for years. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Low power timekeeping
How good a clock could you get at much lower power? I guess I'm looking for something (logarithmically) between a watch and a GPSDO. This one keeps very good time long-term with no power: http://longnow.org/ /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
