Re: [time-nuts] US export regulations for TICs

2015-07-08 Thread Brian Inglis

On 2015-07-07 07:28, Attila Kinali wrote:

As we need a need a proper TIC here to do our research, we are
going to buy one from ebay form a seller in the US and let a friend
who is in the US at the approriate time and can pick it up to bring
it back in the plane.

Now the big question is, are there any export regulations regarding
such equipment and if yes, where do I find it? (my search didnt show
up anything approriate). Yes I know it's a boat anchor and that takeing
it in a plane is kind of iffy, but it's better than shipping it.


Time Interval Meter seems to be the only relevant hit in the CCL at ECCN 
3A999.e.2:
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=1&ty=HTML&h=L&n=15y2.1.3.4.45&r=PART#ap15.2.774_12.1
then search for 3A999:

3A999   Specific Processing Equipment, n.e.s., as Follows (See List of Items 
Controlled).
License Requirements
Reason for Control: AT [i.e. Anti-Terrorism]
Control(s):
Country Chart. AT applies to entire entry. A license is required for items 
controlled by this entry to North Korea for anti-terrorism reasons. The 
Commerce Country Chart is not designed to determine AT licensing requirements 
for this entry. See §742.19 of the EAR for additional information. [e.g. Sudan, 
Iraq, etc.]
List Based License Exceptions (See Part 740 for a description of all license 
exceptions)
...
e.2. Multi-channel (three or more) or modular time interval meter and 
chronometry equipment with resolution of 50 nanoseconds or less over time 
intervals of 1 microsecond or greater;

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Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services

2015-07-08 Thread Chris Albertson
The other complication with simple CGI BIN scripts is if you have
multiple clients eating using their own browser.  You have to manage
cookies or track IP addresses.  Or for a simple home server, just let
thing fail if a second client starts making changes

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Jim Lux  wrote:
> On 7/6/15 3:19 PM, Tom Harris wrote:
>>
>> Since you want simple just use a CGI script written in your language of
>> choice. Very easy technology to learn, Python has support libraries out of
>> the box if you want. You have a webpge with carious simple controls on it
>> like buttons etc, you click a special button that posts a request to a
>> URL,
>> the webserver runs a script that generates the response, the webserver
>> serves it out, your browser displays it. Why bother with learning a
>> framework? Messing about with mechanics is far more fun!
>>
>>
>
>
>
> The only hiccup with the cgi approach (and with "directly code the action in
> the guts of the server" like with flask) is that the subprocess that's
> spawned has to complete before control returns (e.g. to serve stdout to the
> user). So if you want to fire off a task that will run in parallel with the
> webserver's other stuff, you need to have some sort of interprocess
> communication (e.g. a named pipe, socket, file, MPI communicator, etc.).
> (or you do something like run "at" or "batch", which is basically using a
> file as a interprocess communication, and the at daemon watches the file)
>
>
>
>
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Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services

2015-07-08 Thread Brian Inglis

On 2015-07-04 07:13, Jim Lux wrote:

I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving 
mirrors.  I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate 
places, given the current sun angle, etc.
I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun angle based 
on time
The beaglebone will have a GPS feeding it to get time.
BUT now, I'd like to add a web interface, so that it can be manipulated by a 
mobile device using a browser.
One way I can think of is to run some sort of limited web server. there are a couple that 
come with the beaglebone, including the python "simplehttpserver".
But I'm sort of stuck on the interface between the webserver and the other code 
running.
I've done this kind of thing where the one task goes out and updates files in the tree 
that's being served by the web server, and that works fine for "status display" 
kinds of things that don't update very quickly. It's also nicely partitioned.
but I want to be able to change the behavior of the system (e.g. by having the 
server respond to a PUT or something)
Is the best scheme to go in and modify the webserver code to look for specific 
URLs requested, and then fire off some custom code to do what I want?


May want to start with a control web page with an HTML FORM element and 
embedded input elements - easy even if you have not done much form design and 
entry implementation.
Submit target can be any URL designating a Python CGI script, which generates 
at least a Content-type header and HTML on stdout returned to the browser.
HTML output normally includes a copy of the original FORM (with values passed 
selected for editing) as well as HTML output and maybe inline or linked 
graphics.
You only need a web server that supports the CGI interface, with some way to 
configure it and say where the scripts are.
See Python cgi, html, http module docs to DIY.

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[time-nuts] Leap graphs

2015-07-08 Thread Hal Murray

Google's time servers
  http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/leap/google-off-smear.png

The blobs of dots off the line are due to bufferbloat.  (I have a slow DSL 
line with almost 4 seconds of buffering.)


Here is the output of a MR-350P when the GPS satellites first started 
announcing this leap second.
http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/leap/MR350-glitch-leap-2015.png


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Re: [time-nuts] LTC6957 internal architecture

2015-07-08 Thread Magnus Danielson

Hi Bruce,

On 05/26/2015 01:39 AM, Bruce Griffiths wrote:

The following patent hints that the LTC6957 front end
probably consists of several cascaded long tailed pair
differential amplifier stages each with a selectable
bandwidth set by capacitors shunting the collector load
resistors. : US8319551
The input limiter is in effect a Collins style limiter with
selectable bandwidth for each stage to reduce the noise
with respect to a comparator which typically has several
high gain wide bandwidth cascaded differential amplifier
stages.


Interesting patent indeed.

Nothing new in principle for those following the Collins school, but 
interesting to see how it spreads.


Cheers,
Magnnus
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Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services

2015-07-08 Thread Jim Lux

On 7/7/15 9:59 PM, Brian Inglis wrote:

On 2015-07-04 07:13, Jim Lux wrote:

I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with
moving mirrors.  I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to
the appropriate places, given the current sun angle, etc.
I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun
angle based on time
The beaglebone will have a GPS feeding it to get time.
BUT now, I'd like to add a web interface, so that it can be
manipulated by a mobile device using a browser.
One way I can think of is to run some sort of limited web server.
there are a couple that come with the beaglebone, including the python
"simplehttpserver".
But I'm sort of stuck on the interface between the webserver and the
other code running.
I've done this kind of thing where the one task goes out and updates
files in the tree that's being served by the web server, and that
works fine for "status display" kinds of things that don't update very
quickly. It's also nicely partitioned.
but I want to be able to change the behavior of the system (e.g. by
having the server respond to a PUT or something)
Is the best scheme to go in and modify the webserver code to look for
specific URLs requested, and then fire off some custom code to do what
I want?


May want to start with a control web page with an HTML FORM element and
embedded input elements - easy even if you have not done much form
design and entry implementation.
Submit target can be any URL designating a Python CGI script, which
generates at least a Content-type header and HTML on stdout returned to
the browser.
HTML output normally includes a copy of the original FORM (with values
passed selected for editing) as well as HTML output and maybe inline or
linked graphics.
You only need a web server that supports the CGI interface, with some
way to configure it and say where the scripts are.
See Python cgi, html, http module docs to DIY.




Yes, that seems to be the way..
The interesting thing is that the cgi needs to return reasonably fast, 
or the user client will timeout, so it's not a good way to do something 
that takes a long time.  Great for "put parameters in a file" or "send 
short command out IO device", not so great for "start long running 
process that needs to continue after user has gone on to do other things.


So it comes down to lashing up some sort of interprocess communication, 
whether it's a named pipe, a file that is shared between two processes, 
IP sockets, etc.



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Re: [time-nuts] US export regulations for TICs

2015-07-08 Thread Andrea Baldoni
On Tue, Jul 07, 2015 at 03:28:07PM +0200, Attila Kinali wrote:

> As we need a need a proper TIC here to do our research, we are
> going to buy one from ebay form a seller in the US and let a friend
> who is in the US at the approriate time and can pick it up to bring
> it back in the plane.

Years ago I bought an Agilent device from US and I had the same problem.
I found the official list of ECCN numbers googling "agilent eccn"
and I determined that mine was EAR99 and thus "Not on the Commerce Control
List". The seller filled the papers and everything went fine, just
because of the weight I needed to use Bax Global as carrier.

There may exist a similar list for other makers, or you can obtain from them
a certificate.

Best regards,
 Andrea Baldoni
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[time-nuts] Reeeely long term HP 5065A drift rate (13 year!)

2015-07-08 Thread cdelect
A few have volunteered for extended tests!

Also got some info for a couple others:

Unit 1 3.15X10-12/Year 12 years
Unit 2 1.53X10-12/Year 13 Years
Unit 3 7.12X10-12/Year 7 months so far

Spec. is 1X10-11th per Year.

Cheers,

Corby

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[time-nuts] Reeeely long term HP 5065A drift rate (13 year!)

2015-07-08 Thread cdelect
Ooops,

HP 5065A Spec is 1X10-11 per MONTH not a year as I had in the prior post!

Corby

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[time-nuts] Atomic clocks could be used to monitor volcanoes and predict eruptions

2015-07-08 Thread Brooke Clarke

Hi:

Changes in gravity are detected by Cs clock rate changes using fiber optic time 
transfer to other stable clocks.
http://www.gizmag.com/atomic-clocks-volcano-monitoring/38251/?

Monitoring volcanoes with ground-based atomic clocks
http://www.mediadesk.uzh.ch/articles/2015/vulkane-mit-atomuhren-ueberwachen_en.html

Atomic clocks as a tool to monitor vertical surface motion
"Atomic clock technology is advancing rapidly, now reaching stabilities of Δf/f∼10−18, which corresponds to resolving 
1cm in equivalent geoid height over an integration timescale of about 7 hours. At this level of performance, 
ground-based atomic clock networks emerge as a tool for monitoring a variety of geophysical processes by directly 
measuring changes in the gravitational potential."

http://arxiv.org/abs/1506.02457
Full article:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1506.02457v2

By combining the clock and a gravity meter the Love numbers for a specific location can be found.  That needs to be done 
also at the reference clock location.


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