Re: [time-nuts] On the IETF leap-seconds.list SHA1

2017-12-21 Thread Didier Juges
I am so glad that my laziness has a new name that does not sound nearly as
bad as the original one...

I will be sure to remember that next time I do my "self appraisal".

Merry Christmas everyone (I know I am early but my clock is fast...)

Didier KO4BB


On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Mike Cook  wrote:

>
>   A case of « economy of thought » .
>
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Re: [time-nuts] On the IETF leap-seconds.list SHA1

2017-12-21 Thread Martin Burnicki
Am 21.12.2017 um 07:37 schrieb Hal Murray:
>> I am still unable to access the NIST ftp-site linked earlier in this thread.
> 
> There have been several URLs mentioned.
> 
> If you want:
>   ftp://time.nist.gov/pub/leap-seconds.list
> Try 
>   ftp://ftp.nist.gov/pub/time/leap-seconds.list
> 
> Any attempts at web/ftp-ing to time.nist.gov are very likely to not work.
> Don't waste your time trying.  That's their rotating DNS for NTP servers.
> 
> I think the original plan was to have all the NTP sites mirror the FTP info 
> but it didn't work out.
> 
> 

Indeed, originally the NIST version of the leap second file was made
publicly available via FTP access to each of the NIST time servers.

However, according to a note on
https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequency-division/services/internet-time-service-its

FTP access to the time servers has been phased out, and all of the
public files including the leap second file have been moved to these
public FTP sites:

ftp://ftp.nist.gov/pub/time (directory listing)
ftp://ftp.nist.gov/pub/time/leap-seconds.list (leap second file)

and

ftp://ftp.boulder.nist.gov/pub/time (directory listing)
ftp://ftp.boulder.nist.gov/pub/time/leap-seconds.list (leap second file)

Martin
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Re: [time-nuts] On the IETF leap-seconds.list SHA1

2017-12-21 Thread Mike Cook

> Le 21 déc. 2017 à 07:01, Anders Wallin  a écrit :
> 
>> 
>>> For the Paris Observatory and USNO files my program agrees with the SHA1s
>>> in the files.
>>> For the IETF file there seems to be one byte, a "0" at the start of the
>>> third group of 8 hex characters missing.
>> 
>>   This is not a bug but a « feature ». From the ntpd leap hash checking
>> code:
>> 
>> * The NIST code creating the hash writes them out as 5 hex integers
>> * without leading zeros.
>> 
>>   Still, it a little unorthodox and complicates the code.
>> 
> 
> Ha! Thanks for explaining this.
> Indeed I find writing out the SHA-1 in groups of 8 characters without
> leading zeroes quite surprising and undocumented.
> The comments in leap-seconds.list about the SHA-1 refer to a /sha or
> /pub/sha folder - is that generic information on the SHA-1 or is there any
> inidication of the 8-char/leading-zeroes convention there?
> I quickly looked at FIPS-180 but didn't find anything about leading zeros
> there.

My guess is that during testing the NIST guy who created the program to print 
the list never hit the case where the integer created a less than 8 character 
hex output.
Probably used %8x instead of %08x in his format statement, or something analog 
if it was not C.  A case of «  economy of thought » .

> 
> I am still unable to access the NIST ftp-site linked earlier in this thread.
> 
> Anders
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