[time-nuts] BG7TBL GPS Disciplined Source

2016-03-13 Thread Gedas
Hello to the group. I am a new member and 1st wanted to say hello. I 
also wanted to say that I have been reading, with great interest, most 
of the posts here for the last 2-3 weeks.  I must say, I am quite 
ignorant of the majority of the information & terms being passed back 
and forth so this is a neat learning experience for me. I am a retired 
EE (had a prior life in the TEMPEST community for over 30 years) and I 
am slowly assembling my collection of test equipment here at home, 
purely for fun.


This is where I really embarrass myself.sometime ago I purchased an 
inexpensive 10 MHz GPS based reference source (BG7TBL GPS Disciplined 
Source) for my various counters, transceivers, spectrum analyzers, etc 
and was wondering if it was a good purchase and if anyone else used a 
similar unit.  I guess in the end I am curious to know what the short & 
long term accuracy and stability of my unit may be?  I no longer have 
access to any accurate (known) frequency sources like I did while 
employed and I do not think I have the equipment here at home to measure 
my unit myself.


Gedas, W8BYA

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Re: [time-nuts] BG7TBL GPS Disciplined Source

2016-03-14 Thread Gedas
Hi Hal, and TU for the reply. Tu also to everyone else with the very 
helpful hints and info.  Following the advice of Joe I checked out the 
EEV Blog site.very good information about the different variants of 
this maker.  Turns out, because I have a model (date code) of 2014-12-09 
that it corresponds to this revision and information:


custom board with surplus russianmorion mv89 
<http://www.morion-us.com/catalog_pdf/MV89.pdf>OCXO. gps isu-blox 
NEO-6M-0-001 <https://www.u-blox.com/en/product/neo-6-series>.


Who would have guessed a Russian OCXO.  And, I guess the U-Blox is not 
one of the better GPS units based on what Paul mentioned.  But I think 
there is software out there that will let me at least monitor what my 
unit is doing and how many birds it is receiving data from. I also have 
the 8-port signal splitter which is nice as I can now run my reference 
to all my various TE.


Oh well, it is what it is as I do not have the money to purchase a 
different one. To answer your question I am using the supplied "hockey 
puck" style antenna placed outside my basement window well, sitting on a 
small wooden shelf, but close to ground level.  The antenna should have 
a clear view from 90-280 degrees, from an elevation angle of 0-90 
degrees.  Anything from West to North to East (~280-90 degrees) is 
blocked by the house.  I guess my next step, as Bob suggested will be to 
install some monitoring software to see how many birds I am able to see 
on average.


Gedas, W8BYA

Gallery at http://w8bya.com
Light travels faster than sound
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

On 3/14/2016 12:55 AM, Hal Murray wrote:

w8...@mchsi.com said:

This is where I really embarrass myself.sometime ago I purchased an
inexpensive 10 MHz GPS based reference source (BG7TBL GPS Disciplined
Source) for my various counters, transceivers, spectrum analyzers, etc  and
was wondering if it was a good purchase and if anyone else used a  similar
unit.  I guess in the end I am curious to know what the short &  long term
accuracy and stability of my unit may be?  I no longer have  access to any
accurate (known) frequency sources like I did while  employed and I do not
think I have the equipment here at home to measure  my unit myself.

Long term accuracy will be very good - you are tracking GPS.

You didn't say anything about your antenna.  That's probably the major
contributor to your short term accuracy.

Google found:
   http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/bg7tbl-gpsdo-master-reference/
Looks like there are various versions.




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Re: [time-nuts] BG7TBL GPS Disciplined Source

2016-03-14 Thread Gedas
Hi Mark and TU for that information. Most interesting.  I will do as you 
suggested. I also saw on the EEV site that the freq was in fact 
off.I think it is low by a small amount that corresponds to being 
off 2 Hz at 100 GHz.  I suspect for my needs I can consider it close 
enough to 10 MHz.


Gedas, W8BYA

Gallery at http://w8bya.com
Light travels faster than sound
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

On 3/14/2016 1:13 PM, Mark Sims wrote:

I believe that it was mentioned here that the BG7TBL GPSDO disciplined 
oscillator controls the OCXO using a FLL (frequency locked loop) instead of a 
PLL (phase locked loop).  Their implementation causes a slight error in the 
output frequency.  Search the time-nuts archives (best to use Google) for the 
relevant thread(s).


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