[time-nuts] PICTIC II PCB group buy
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Re: [time-nuts] PICs
I can program/re-program here in NZ. I was keeping quiet because I wanted to have a go building one before ordering 10 or so boards with the Wellington VHF Group as a SIG activity. 73s Randall ZL2RJP -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of gonzo . Sent: Monday, 5 July 2010 5:47 a.m. To: time-nuts Subject: [time-nuts] PICs Hi Steve, my thought at this stage is to use you as a guinea pig. I'm guessing ZL is (in postal terms) about as far (and as expensive) as you can get from my local post office. So it will be useful to know if the PO let it go as a letter (no customs deceleration etc.). The next point (not unrelated) is that the board and parts are not useful without the PIC. I thought what I'd do is program up a couple I have on hand and get them in the post to you. That way, you should have them when your ready to build. The only downside I can see is that with so many people building these TICs, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some rapid changes to the code. Given the price of the PICs, I guess there is no real problem having a spare set that can be rotated. If your happy with this idea, send me your address and I'll load the current code and get them on their way. 73 ian > Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 19:56:35 +1200 > From: Steve Rooke > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Pic programing for the PICTIC II > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Ian, > > On 4 July 2010 08:18, gonzo . wrote: > > > > Hi Group, > > in an effort to pool resources, I'm entering into a co-op arrangement with another list member. > > > > I'm happy to either order the PICs and supply them programmed (cost price plus postage) or, if you already have a PIC and want to post it to me, I'll program it and return it in a SSAE for no cost. > > > > I'm in the UK, so postage rates and delivery times probably limit how far it it practical for me to cover. > > > > Steve, as a VK living in GW, I'm happy to post to ZL. > > That is a very kind offer, thanks. Let me know the total costs for two > with postage to Christchurch via a PM please. > > Cheers, > Steve > > > cheers, > > ian _ Browse profiles for FREE! Meet local singles online. http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew WWVB TX simulator?
Circuit Cellar did an article. Feburary 2010 #235 Page 38. This was a WWV simulator for a 2 part article the 2nd being a receiver. 73s Randall ZL2RJP -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Clements Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 9:10 a.m. To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Homebrew WWVB TX simulator? Has anyone built / seen / bought a small simulator for WWVB? I live near Boston, and the WWVB signal is pretty marginal around here. MSF on the same frequency isn't that far away, and local noise is pretty fierce. So now and then one of my WWVB listeners (like my generally nice Junghans wristwatch) gets screwed up. The firmware writers aren't very cautious, and there's no parity bit in the code. So I have the itch to build a micro-power WWVB to set stuff with, without having to wait overnight for one or more nights. Before I dive into such a project, has anyone done/seen such a thing that I could buy or copy? I've got a WWV/WWVH simulator that I wrote (and announced) back when they were about to replace the Audichron drum machines, and I can start from there if necessary. The hardware part seems a bit more interesting, but for this purpose I don't need to derive the carrier from a GPSDO or my ancient Rb oscilator. Tnx, /Rcc Bob Clements, K1BC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Question about SoundCard stability?
1 Hz in 10Mhz is about the same ratio as 5mHz in 64Khz. This would make sense if the Clock for the A/D is divided off the same TXCO. Or am I missing something. The reason I jumped in, in a recent frequency measuring contest the winner was using that interpolation for his results. Regards Randall ZL2RJP -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of David McClain Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2010 2:18 p.m. To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Question about SoundCard stability? Ahh.. so... Now since my TCXO is drifting to and fro by 1-2 Hz over the period of 45 minutes, why don't I see similar drift in the 100 Hz audio signal, down around 5 mHz amplitude? This happens to be about the same size at the FFT bins. So I am led to conclude that "interpolated" peak frequencies are a bogus technique, and you can only truly count on variations on the order of the FFT cell size as being measurable... Dr. David McClain Chief Technical Officer Refined Audiometrics Laboratory 4391 N. Camino Ferreo Tucson, AZ 85750 email: d...@refined-audiometrics.com phone: 1.520.390.3995 web: http://refined-audiometrics.com On Oct 12, 2010, at 17:57, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > Yes it is a reasonable expectation as long as you don't have a lot > of drafts. A good TCXO can get down to sub 0.1 ppb over that period. > > Bob > > > On Oct 12, 2010, at 8:21 PM, David McClain wrote: > >> Okay, perhaps I should rephrase the question... Is is reasonable >> to expect a TCXO to perform at 4e-9 over the FFT window period of >> about 87 sec? I can only imagine that the enormous (87 s) >> averaging period is making my measurements look so good. >> >> Dr. David McClain >> Chief Technical Officer >> Refined Audiometrics Laboratory >> 4391 N. Camino Ferreo >> Tucson, AZ 85750 >> >> email: d...@refined-audiometrics.com >> phone: 1.520.390.3995 >> web: http://refined-audiometrics.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/ >> listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ > time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP5334B with 10544 OCXO
There is a section in the HP5334 Service manual on changes needed. The oscillator uses either the internal crystal (The trimmer is connected to) or the 10811. Basically you change a capacitor feeding from one to the other. I could scan the appropriate pages if you need (Contact me off list). Regards Randall Prentice Stokes Valley Lower Hutt5019 New Zealand ZL2RJP -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Roy Phillips Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2012 10:40 a.m. To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP5334B with 10544 OCXO Mark By chance I have just today installed a recently acquired 10554 OCXO into my HP 5334B Counter. Its has been running for 5 hours and is yet to stabilize - my Manual suggest that 24 hours is the required time. Despite reading the manual, I cannot see any reference to the change over from the "low grade" inbuilt oscillator - is this automatic or does it require a jumper alteration. I seem to recall that Rick Karlquist referred to a voltage "droop" in the PSU occurring, due to the additional load of the oven as a consequence of fitting the OCXO to the 5334B. I assume that this is when the oven is taking maximum current - perhaps he will offer some help (again) as I cannot find his earlier comments ? I note that the rear "simple" oscillators trimmer is still operative - should this be so ?, or is it indicative to a need to disconnect it ? Again, any comments would be appreciated. Regards Roy -- From: "Allwright, Mark" Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM To: Subject: [time-nuts] HP5334B with 10544 OCXO > Hello. > > I recently bough an HP-5334B counter with option 010 from the big "E". > A Google search seems to indicate the OCXO should be a 10811 type OCXO > but mine has a type 10544. > > Other than taking longer to warm up does anybody see any problems with > this? Basic testing shows the unit seems to work OK. It is reading > 1.7 Hz low compared to my Thunderbolt at 10 MHz - I have not tried > adjusting the trimmer on the 10544 yet. > > Comments and thoughts appreciated. > > Regards. > > Mark. > VE6NTP > > -- > Mark Allwright > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] LORAN modulation scheme???? Kind of interesting
>From GPS World http://www.gpsworld.com/wireless/timing/news/ursanav-follows-second-wide-area-timing-tests-12793?utm_source=GPS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=navigate_03_27_2012&utm_content=ursanav-follows-second-wide-area-timing-tests-12793 Regards Randall -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2012 9:34 a.m. To: Time-nuts; paul swed Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN modulation scheme Kind of interesting Have to say the UrsaNav bunch is a bit difficult to reach. Tried email and that was kicked back Tried calling a couple of times and just hit an automated attendant and they close at 430. Good hours Regards On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:23 PM, paul swed wrote: > Perhaps its just noise. But LORAN went off the air. In the quite I > hear some low level junk. > Only I am beginning to think its not low level junk. > > It sounds like a GRI thats been spread and perhaps this is what a GRI > sounds like when you do lots of phase reversals. > My O my time to fire up the old austron 2000 gate a scope and see if > this junk is synchronized. > Have to believe I can do the same thing on the SRS FS700. > Regards > Paul > WB8TSL > Boston > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Best reason
People can all relate to their cellphones. Just tell them that the cellphones all yell at each other but not at the same time so as long as you know when to listen you can hear the other end. :-) Regards Randall -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Dawes Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012 2:41 p.m. To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Best reason Hi All, Thanks Jim P for the thread. I was lurking hoping for some amazing idea that would help me explain (in simple and interesting terms) what I do, firstly you need to know my company is the local rep for Symmetricom in Australia. So when asked what I do for a living, you should see the eyes glaze over; so normally easier to just say no you first! I thought this thread was going to be my saviour! Sadly not to be. lol Chris -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Stake Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:31 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Best reason jim77...@gmail.com said: So when a member of the general public says: Why do we need really accurate clocks? What is your answer? The alternative is inaccurate clocks, would that ever be preferable? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux
I found that the AMD processors change CPU frequency with load and this seemed to upset any NTP calculations. In the end I went to Intel CPU (Mutter mutter). Regards Randall -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mike S Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012 10:22 a.m. To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux I asked this on an NTP list, got some guesses, but no knowledgeable responses. I've got a Trimble Thunderbolt PPS source for NTP, Linux 2.6.35, on a quad core CPU. PPS source is coming into a multiport serial card, which /proc/interrupts shows is sharing IRQ with some inactive USB ports (IRQ 17). It's a PCI-E card, so it would be using MSI interrupts. My understanding is that those aren't really "shared," in the traditional sense, but IDK. The kernel clocksource is TSC, which is claimed to be core invariant on my processor (AMD Athlon II 610e). Changing to HPET doesn't help. Running normally, I'll get about +- 20 us ptp of jitter (as reported by ntpq -p, and in loopstats). If I load up the CPU (load average >4 is swell), jitter will shrink to +- 1-2 us. I've played around with different cpufreq setting, thinking it might be related to the processor speed during an IRQ varying, but that seems to have minimal impact (performance vs. conservative vs. ondemand). I've also tried irqbalance, with no change in performance. So, running a process(es) which keep the CPU completely busy reduces the jitter. The busier, the better. Why? I'm guessing it has something to do with interrupt latency, but why does a busy CPU make it more consistent - I'd expect the opposite? The difference is very obvious. Is there something else I can do to keep the jitter low? Aside: Something which I believe was discussed here a few weeks ago - clocksource speeds changing between reboots. I patched the kernel to allow statically setting the TSC frequency ( http://old.nabble.com/-PATCH--tsc_khz%3D-boot-option-to-avoid-TSC-calibration-variance-td23494975.html ). This eliminates the semi-random, often 30-40 ppm change in frequency reported by NTP between reboots. After tweaking, it's now consistently < 1 us, reboots be damned. This should be in the mainline kernel! This made no difference to the jitter mentioned above, although non was expected. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux
The INTEL HRET (High Resolution blagh Timer) seemed to work whereas the AMD equivalent didn't seem to fix the problem. Note: this was older AMD ATHLON processors, they may have fixed this by now. Regards Randall -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012 10:58 a.m. To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux That is the AMD speed step, but doesn't intel do the same thing? Incidentally, there are hacks for linux to make it more real time, i.e. lower latency. I never messed with them, but you find this mentioned related to multimedia oriented distributions. On 4/4/2012 3:53 PM, Randall Prentice wrote: > I found that the AMD processors change CPU frequency with load and this > seemed to upset any NTP calculations. > > In the end I went to Intel CPU (Mutter mutter). > > Regards > Randall ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Interesting paper: Don't GPSD' your Rb...
The paper should really be titled "Another way to discipline your Rb to GPS". Wouldn't it make more sense given the phase noise in the Rb to base your correction on a moving average diffence. 1) Reduce the Rb phase noise 2) Carefully make it a multiple of a day to cancel diurnal effects of the ionosphere. Regards Randall -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hawkins Sent: Monday, 7 May 2012 7:02 a.m. To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Interesting paper: Don't GPSD' your Rb... Here is a different tactic for disciplining Rb from GPS/TXCO - Consider the relatively (relative to a second) long stability of an Rb oscillator and the not-so-good stability of GPS. Perhaps using 1 PPS for a sampling period for stabilizing Rb is way too short. Maybe 1000 seconds is better. That's way too long for an analog integrator to do, so a microcomputer is required. Count the Rb and GPS 1 PPS signals for 1000 counts of Rb 1 PPS. You'll need to interpolate between 1 PPS GPS intervals to the level of accuracy required, so maybe we count cycles of 10 MHz from the GPS, using as many registers (cascaded integer counters) as required for 1 E10 (or more) counts (2540BE400 hex). At the end of 1000 seconds, use the difference between the lowest counter reading and 0xEB400 (times an appropriate gain) to tweak the value for the DAC doing the fine correction to the control voltage or current. Use the upper counters for a sanity check on the reading. As may be evident, I have never tried to discipline an Rb, but I am well aware of the effect of sample time on the control of a long time constant loop. True, the effect is strongest when dead time dominates the time constant, but that is not the case here. Still, I think there is value in using a long sampling time for the control action. Comments accepted with enthusiasm. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] fluke.l monitor for Thunderbolt
Mine stopped the same way. I gently spread the boards apart and unsoldered the 3 pin regulator then added a Red-LED in place of the three links (Original circuit had three diodes) and my monitor starting working again. So it may be recoverable. Regards Randall -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Monday, 6 June 2011 11:34 a.m. To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] fluke.l monitor for Thunderbolt Thanks everyone for the advice, both on and off list. I do see voltage transitions on P0.5 of the C8051F330D, which is pin 19 on the DIP version of the microprocessor. So it appears that the serial data pulses are making it from the Thunderbird to the input to the microprocessor. However, voltage as measured from the microprocessor VDD to GND (pins 6 to 5) is 4.94VDC. The C8051F330D manufacturer's spec for VDD is 4.2VDC "Absolute Maximum Rating." Didier's speculation seems on point . . . overvoltage on the microprocessor has likely damaged it. There is a caveat: The way the iCruze is constructed has the C8051F330D sandwiched between two PCB's and not readily visible. So I am assuming that the microprocessor is a C8051F330D, but that is not verified (at least not by me). Getting at the microprocessor requires desoldering the 16-pin header which connects its PCB to the display PCB. Not sure where to go from here . . . trash can? Steve ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] fluke.l monitor for Thunderbolt
Sorry, I didn't give credit to you Arthur. I was following your instructions. My post was also to the effect that it all started going again afterward inspite of such bad treatment (Over voltage/Over heating). The other point omitted from my post (Obvious afterward), was that removing the regulator means you have to power the display from 5V. Regards Ranadll -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Dent Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2011 10:03 a.m. To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] fluke.l monitor for Thunderbolt "Mine stopped the same way. I gently spread the boards apart and unsoldered the 3 pin regulator then added a Red-LED in place of the three links (Original circuit had three diodes) and my monitor starting working again. So it may be recoverable. Regards Randall" I agree with this as a good fix and posted this back in April. " What I have done with the displays I got from Fluke.L is lift the end of the interface board and hold it away from the display board just enough so I can heat and remove the 5 volt regulator and replace it with a jumper. It might be a little easier to just lift the input and output leads off their solder pads and leave the chip there but I removed the chip as well. I'm supplying the display with a regulated 5 volts so removing the regulator from the display assembly eliminates one of the possible problem area by removing one of the heat sources from the board. Some people have had problems with the regulator shutting down if they supplied it with 12 volts and the chip went into thermal shutdown. Next I remove the 3 zero ohm resistors (that are where the 3 diodes should have been installed to drop the 5 volts to ~3.3 volts for the CPU) and replace them with a red LED with leads long enough so it can be on the back side of the interface board because there wasn't enough room between the boards for the LED I am using. I have some SMD red LEDs but decided they might be too hard to solder between the two boards. The red LED makes a pretty good ~1.7 volt zener diode so now I have the display powered by 5 volts and the CPU powered by ~3.3 volts which makes it happy." -Arthur ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] From Sundials to Atomic Clocks
Have uploaded a copy in NZ. http://prento.homelinux.net/1796.pdf Couldn't download off TelstraClear, had to use Actrix links (DNS didn't resolve properly). Regards Randall ZL2RJP -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ken , VK7KRJ Sent: Friday, 9 September 2011 9:04 a.m. To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] From Sundials to Atomic Clocks Is anyone else having trouble with this url? I've been trying it since the email came through, it just times out waiting for a reply. I did try to get to it from the parent site, with the same effect. No problem with the nist site direct, but no go with tf.nist I have no trouble with .pdf's from anywhere else, but I can't find the file anywhere else. On 2011-09-08 03:27, Mike Fahmie wrote: > On a visit to NIST Boulder (then known as NBS) many years ago (1978), > I was presented with a copy of NBS Monograph 155, "From Sundials to > Atomic Clocks" by one of the authors. I found it to be a fantastic > read, it answers all of those questions about Time & Frequency that you were > afraid to ask. > > I stumbled on it again today in PDF form on the NIST website, it has > undergone two revisions and this URL points to the most current (1999) > edition. > > http://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/1796.pdf > > -Mike- > WA6ZTY > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 110907-0, 2011-09-07 Tested on: 2011-09-08 > 10:12:15 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2011 AVAST Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > -- Cheers, Ken vk7...@users.tasmanet.com.au www.vk7krj.com 'It seems hard to sneak a look at God's cards. But that He plays dice and uses "telepathic" methods is something that I cannot believe for a single moment.' (Einstein's famous quote on Quantum theory) --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 110908-1, 2011-09-08 Tested on: 2011-09-09 07:03:52 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2011 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
