[time-nuts] PM 6681 COUNTER FOR SALE

2009-10-14 Thread jshank
Hi,
I am selling my Fluke 6681 Counter.  It is in very good condition, comes with 
operator and service manuals.  $800  I will email pictures if interested.
Jeff
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Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitor

2008-09-12 Thread jshank
Didier,

Any chance of the GPS Monitor which you are developing being available as a 
kit?

Jeff
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Subject: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitor


I have uploaded version 0.0.8.

 Alarms (if any) are decoded and displayed in succession on the second line
 of the display, alternated with the Disciplining Status.
 The archive has been fixed, there was a problem with v004. If you 
 downloaded
 it and had problems, I am sorry...

 Check the Wiki for details:
 http://www.ko4bb.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=precision_timing:gps_monitor

 Didier KO4BB
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[time-nuts] LPRO 101 ADJUSTMENT

2008-07-25 Thread jshank
Hi,

I recently acquired a LPRO 101 Rubidium Oscillator.  After reading the 
manual I see that there are two ways to adjust the frequency 1) using and 
adjusting screw on the unit and 2) using the External C-field control signal 
at pin J1-7.  Has anyone experimented with either method and if so what 
method was preferred?

Jeff


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Re: [time-nuts] LPRO 101 ADJUSTMENT

2008-07-25 Thread jshank
If I choose to control the frequency via External C-field control I guess it 
would take a very precise and stable voltage source.  Any thoughts or 
suggestions?

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 Both methods work well.  Be sure the unit is mounted to some sort of 
 heatsink,chassis, etc.
 I'm using a Fury GPS receiver to drive the EFC on an LPRO-101.
 You won't get much range out of either adjustment.  Leave it powered
 on for a couple of hours before trying to adjust it.  I usually set the 
 trim pot in the
 middle of it's range and use the EFC pin.  I think it's a 28 or 30 turn 
 pot.  EFC
 is 0-5v.  The unit will self-bias to around 2.5v if the EFC pin is open.

 Scott

 jshank wrote:
 Hi,

 I recently acquired a LPRO 101 Rubidium Oscillator.  After reading the 
 manual I see that there are two ways to adjust the frequency 1) using and 
 adjusting screw on the unit and 2) using the External C-field control 
 signal at pin J1-7.  Has anyone experimented with either method and if so 
 what method was preferred?

 Jeff


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Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt monitor

2008-07-16 Thread jshank
The Noritake display looks great.
I am hoping that a kit of this proposed Thunderbolt monitor with the 
Noritake display will be made available through TARP in the near future.  I 
am sure that many of the Thunderbolts which recently became available would 
benefit from such a kit.
Jeff
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Subject: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt monitor


I made a second version (same firmware) of the Thunderbolt monitor. This 
one
 uses the plastic DIP version of the processor mounted on a small Radio 
 Shack
 proto board and it uses a gorgeous Noritake Vacuum Fluorescent display.

 The interface between the Noritake and any ordinary LCD display is the 
 same
 ( as far as pin-out is concerned), except that the Noritake does not have 
 a
 contrast adjustment. Otherwise, the firmware is the same, once the
 differences are accounted for. The Noritake is generally much faster than
 most 2 line LCDs when updating the data, but requires a little more time 
 to
 initialize themselves at power up. My software can drive either display
 without modification.

 The Noritake displays have a software command to adjust the brightness 
 down
 to half, and that's it. My firmware does not take advantage of that 
 feature,
 which I find relatively useless, but may prolong the life of the display.
 The VFDs only have a few years of life under continuous operation, so
 dimming the display or turning it off altogether when not needed might be 
 a
 good idea.

 See pictures at http://www.ko4bb.com/Timing/GPSMonitor/

 Didier KO4BB

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[time-nuts] Z3801A ThunderBolt USING SAME ANTENNA?

2008-07-08 Thread jshank
Hi,

I am trying to set up a Z3801A and a ThunderBolt to operate off of one 
symmetricom 58532A antenna using a symmetricom 4-port smartsplitter.  The 
Z3801A manual suggest using LMR 400 cable which is a 50 ohm cable which is 
compatible with the antenna.  The thunderbolt which I receive has a type F 
connector and the thunderbolt manual suggest using 75 ohm rg59 cable. Will I 
have a problem connecting the thunderbolt to the smartsplitter using LRM400 
50 ohm cable?  The thunderbolt which I received came with a type f to bnc 
connector, but isn't a bnc connector underrated to handle the 1.5 GHz 
signal?

Thanks,

Jeff


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[time-nuts] Z3801A ThunderBolt USING SAME ANTENNA?

2008-07-08 Thread jshank
Hi,

I am trying to set up a Z3801A and a ThunderBolt to operate off of one 
symmetricom 58532A antenna using a symmetricom 4-port smartsplitter.  The 
Z3801A manual suggest using LMR 400 cable which is a 50 ohm cable which is 
compatible with the antenna.  The thunderbolt which I receive has a type F 
connector and the thunderbolt manual suggest using 75 ohm rg59 cable. Will I 
have a problem connecting the thunderbolt to the smartsplitter using LRM400 
50 ohm cable?  The thunderbolt which I received came with a type f to bnc 
connector, but isn't a bnc connector underrated to handle the 1.5 GHz 
signal?

Thanks,

Jeff


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[time-nuts] THUNDERBOLE STATUS LED'S

2008-06-23 Thread jshank
Hi,
Has anyone determined how an interface could be incorporated into the 
Thunderbolt so as to show if it was locked.  Some status led's would be nice 
such as can be fount on the Z3801's front panel.
Jeff 


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Re: [time-nuts] THUNDERBOLT STATUS LED'S

2008-06-23 Thread jshank
Mark,

I hope you or someone else is able to come up with a Thunderbolt controller 
for the many of us who have or will be receiving Thunderbolts.  A controller 
based on a LCD touchscreen would be great in the since that one could 
assemble a self-contained frequency standard based on the Thunderbolt.

Keep us informed in you progress with this project.

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Subject: [time-nuts] THUNDERBOLT STATUS LED'S



 The Thunderbolt does not produce NMEA messages,  so you would need to 
 parse the TSIP data stream.  My C program to do that for all Thunderbolt 
 messages is around 2700 lines long.

 LOCK on the Thunderbolt is not a simple question to answer with a single 
 blinkey light.  There are many degrees of lockage and unlockage to 
 consider.  You have satellite lock,  oscillator lock,  signal quality, 
 oscillator holdover, PPS offset,  frequency offset, etc.  A simple LED 
 lock light would leave much to the imagination (but then, what you don't 
 know can't hurt you, right...)

 I am working on a Thunderbolt controller based on a small LCD  touchscreen 
 graphics controller (mega-donkey.com).  First I will probably do a version 
 that runs on old laptops.
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Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Group Buy, part 1

2008-05-05 Thread jshank

HI,

I am not among the preorder list, but should like to be on the second 
round if possible.

I would like one

Thanks,

Jeff
WA3GWB

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[time-nuts] Ovenaire 10 MHz OSC 49-69 PIN OUT

2008-04-20 Thread jshank
Hi,
I have an Ovenaire 10 MHz OSC 49-69 ser.no. 20823-3 which I am in need of a 
pin-out and or any  other information.
Thanks,
Jeff 
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[time-nuts] 58532a ANTENNA CABLE?

2008-03-27 Thread jshank
There appears to be three software-monitoring programs available, GPSCon 
Pro, GPS Control  SatStat.  I was just curious about what the group thinks 
of these three programs or if there are any other available.



The Z3801A manual suggest rg-213 of lmr-400.  I have neither on hand but am 
not apposed to purchasing either.

I do have rg58/u and coax CATV cable on hand but the problem is that it is a 
difficult process to run the cable from my basement lab to the second floor 
attic and I only o want to do it once.  Originally, I was going to penetrate 
the roof at the ridgeline and install the antenna on a one foot but I 
understand it is possible to receive singles from under the plywood/asphalt 
shingle roof. Is it worth a penetration of the roof?



Jeff
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[time-nuts] 58532a ANTENNA CABLE?

2008-03-26 Thread jshank
Hi,
I am in the process of setting up a Z3801A and would like to know what type of 
cable I should use for a 50' run to an 58532A antenna.

Also I need to purchase one of the monitoring software programs for this 
Z3801A,  any suggestions.

jshank
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Re: [time-nuts] spectracom line taps

2008-02-18 Thread jshank
Jamie,

If you have the Spectracom 8140 you need to use the line taps.  With out 
using the line taps you sinewave will not be symmetrically along 0 voltage, 
that is the sine wave will all be positive voltage.

The line taps were available in 10 MHz, 5 MHz, 1 MHz and 0.1MHz.;  what that 
means, if your distribution amp is outputting 10 MHz and you use either  of 
the above line taps you will receive the line tap stated frequency.  In this 
way you can have a variety of output signals available to use for different 
applications.  Spectracom has the manual for the 8140 available for a free 
download on their website.
www.spectracomcorp.com/ go to; library; downloads; manuals

These are great and very versatile distribution amps.

ps check your amp for installed options and refer to the manual

Jeff



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Subject: [time-nuts] spectracom line taps



 I have a Spectracom 8140 frequency distribution amp.
 I see on ebay there are line taps for this device.  Do
 I need the line taps?  Or can I just use the 8140 as
 is?  What are the line taps supposed to do?

 Jamie


 
 
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Re: [time-nuts] FS: HP Crystal Oscillator 10811-60105

2008-01-30 Thread jshank
If it is working and available, where do I send the money.

Jeff

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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] FS: HP Crystal Oscillator 10811-60105



 For Sale: HP Crystal Oscillator 10811-60105, mounted on a printed
 circuit board with nomenclature D 33303F 05328-20027.

 Asking $60 obo shipped.

 Thanks
 Mitch W4OA


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Re: [time-nuts] PM6681 Service Manual INTERPOLATOR CALIBRATION SOFTWARE

2007-12-02 Thread jshank
Hi,

Thanks for uploading the Fluke PM-6681/Pendulum CNT-81 service manual to 
http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/search.pl

Looks like calibration is relatively simple and no special software is 
required unless the instrument has lost its calibration information.  If 
this occurs then an interpolation calibration is necessary which involves a 
interpolator calibration program which was included with the service 
manual on a 3 1/2 disk.  The interpolator only needs calibration if the 
counter has lost its calibration information.



It would be nice to find a copy of this program.  Any suggestions from the 
group?


Jeff
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 5:26 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] PM6681 Manual


 For those interested, I have uploaded the service manual for the Fluke
 PM-6681/Pendulum CNT-81 to the k04bb website.
 Too bad you can't calibrate these beasts yourself, special software is
 needed.

 Regards,

 Stijn Nestra


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Re: [time-nuts] Fluke 6681/Pendulum CNT-81 arrival

2007-11-29 Thread jshank
In regards to the Fluke 6681 does anyone know where a calibration manual 
could be found?

Jeff
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From: Magnus Danielson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:25 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Fluke 6681/Pendulum CNT-81 arrival


 Hi!

 Today my Fluke 6681/Pendulum CNT-81 arrived, one of the ones that showed 
 up on
 Ebay from Singapore a few weeks back. The calibration is still valid (but 
 then,
 the internal memory of it was lost and no paper, ah well, like I really 
 cared).

 It powered up nicely except for the comment that it lost the calibration
 memory, but that can be handled.
 It was a bit dirty, but some warm water and a cloth should handle that.

 No problem operating it.

 With 25 ps single-shot resolution it should be a nice counter for TI 
 exercises.
 Wasting the CNT-90 on static measurements isn't that fun, and the CNT-81 
 isn't
 as noisy and powerhungry as the 5370B, which is a good thing most of the 
 time.

 Hmm, I should make a counter test soon. Just awaiting the next counter... 
 :-P

 Cheers,
 Magnus

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[time-nuts] 53131A or 5370B

2007-11-09 Thread jshank
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Hi,

I have a question to post to the group.

I am in the process of rearranging my hobby electronic work area.  I have a 
rack which I would like to devote to time and frequency measurment/standard.  I 
will be placing equipment such as wwvb and gps receivers, local oscillators, 
ect.

Here is the question, I only have room for one counter, should it be a 5370B or 
a 53131A?  Which is more useful to measuring frequency variations?

Jeff
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Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator

2007-05-26 Thread jshank
Rick,

If any are available I would like one.  I could pay through PayPal or send 
you a money order, whichever you prefer.

Thanks,
Jeff Shank WA3GWB

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Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator


 I still have dozens of surplus E1938A's if anyone
 wants one.  They are in worked the last time it
 was turned on, but no guarantee of specs condition.
 I can't accept money for these units.

 Rick Karlquist N6RK
 E1938A circuit designer

 Due to the high level of interest, I may need to
 limit the oscillators to one per person.  I will be
 getting the oscillators out of storage today and
 will try to make an accounting of oscillators vs
 requestors.  I am suggesting an $8.95 donation for a
 flat rate Priority Mail box.  I think it will fit
 into one of those boxes.

 Regarding non-USA requestors:  I will need to look
 into the customs aspect of this.  If anyone on the
 list can give me a tutorial on this it would be
 helpful.  These are gifts if that matters for
 customs purposes.  Also, they have essentially zero
 market value as discards.

 I am happy that I can give these a good home.  I almost
 threw them away last month while cleaning up.

 Rick Karlquist

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Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370A Frequency counter Problem(s)

2007-03-21 Thread jshank
Could someone please provide me with a link or the procedure to disassemble, 
cleaned / lubed.
Thanks
Jeff
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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370A Frequency counter Problem(s)


 It's normal for those last few digits to bounce around when measuring
 frequency.  The shorter the gate time, the less-consistent the LSDs will 
 be.
 How do the tolerances compare to what's in the manual's self-check
 procedures?  You'll note that they don't tell you to expect 10.000 000 000
 MHz, but 10.000 000 0XX MHz.

 The important things to look at with a 5370 are: 1) verify that the 
 trigger
 levels are 0.00 +/- 0.01 with the controls set to PRESET; 2) verify that 
 the
 +T.I. ONLY interval is within 1 ns of 100.0 ns; and 3) verify that the
 jitter when measuring its own clock reference is less than 100 ps (all of
 the ones I have seen are under 50.)  If all of that is OK, then chances 
 are
 everything else will work properly including frequency measurement.

 I've found that many of them need their front-panel input assembly taken
 apart and the switches carefully cleaned/lubed.  That alone may clear up a
 lot of flakiness.  There have also been some reports of poorly-seated 
 ROMs,
 and/or socket contact problems.

 -- john, KE5FX



 I got a HP 5370A off of Ebay and although it looks terrible I thought it
 would probably work OK.
 But it doesn't :-(  I downloaded the manual and have yet to print it out.

 Question;
 When doing a self check by feeding the 10 MHz from the back into the
 counter it counts cycles OK
 but the last 3 or 4 digits are erratic. I am starting to do as much
 alignment as I can but am
 wondering if this is a known problem and if a cure is known.

 Anyway I think I paid too much for this box of problems but will
 continue to try to repair.

 Any suggestions (on repair only) is appreciated

 Bill K7NOM



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Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendations

2007-03-21 Thread jshank
Hi,

I also use a HP 53131A counter and find it to me the nicest, most stable 
counter that I have used to date.  It is amazing how versatile this counter 
is and how stable when using an gps external reference.
Other counters I have or have had are the HP 5370B, 5334, 5335, and various 
5328's.

I would like to try a SR620 but after reading the various post last month on 
the inability to display an 10 MHz reading when using a 10MHz reference I am 
a little leery of trying one.

Jeff
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From: Gerald Molenkamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendations


 Hi All,

 For over 12 years I have been running a HP53131 12 digit counter and the 
 freeware Agilent IntuiLink Connectivity Software via an old NI IEEE-488 
 GPIB to Ethernet.

 From a functionality point of view it is by far the best counter I have 
 used. Coupled with Intuilink S/W in EXCEL as an add-ins, graphs, long term 
 statistics and drift performance can be presented easily. I recently 
 installed a HP10811 as an after market add-on,  as a portable device it's 
 now as accurate as any portable counter can be.

 Although the 53131 with no options is limited to 250 MHz, my next project 
 is a channel C prescaler that will take the unit to 3GHz or beyond.

 If any one has added a home brew Channel C, please let me know how it 
 turned out.

 Regards

 Gerald



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Re: [time-nuts] Fine print on HP 5334B

2007-02-23 Thread jshank
Hi,



I check my 5370b by using the 10 MHz output and feeding it to the counter. 
What I see is a fluctuation in the displayed reading of between 9.999 999 
998 73 to 9.999 999 997 25.  The instrument is set for 1 s gate. Sometimes 
one reading will remain for a couple of arming but usually the reading will 
change between six different readings with the high and low as above.



I am assuming there is a problem with this instrument and am asking for 
suggestions on what can be done to correct this problem.



Ps. this instrument has the 10811-06111 oscillator.  I have tried using the 
10 MHz output from the 5370 as an external reference to a 53131A while 
measuring the frequency of the 5370 10 MHz output.  After both instruments 
warm up the frequency of the 5370 output is displayed on the 53131A with a 1 
s gate time as 10.000 000 000  and if I increase the gate time to 10s the 
reading is 10.000 000 000 0 with the reading remaining rock solid.



Thanks,

Jeff



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 What do people observe on their 5370A/Bs?  After warmup, I tend to see a
 bias of about +0.0005 Hz, or 5E-11, when observing its own 10 MHz source.
 There is some occasional random waffling on the order of about +/- 0.001 
 Hz
 but for the most part it reads close to 10.000 000 000 5.

 I have never been able to calibrate the interpolators (specifically the
 anticoincidence adjustment) in these counters, due to lack of a
 vernier-adjustable pulse generator.  When I was going through one last 
 week,
 I just left the anticoincidence pot in the middle of its range, and 
 couldn't
 see any ill effects from doing so.  The manual is not that great at
 describing exactly what this adjustment does.

 -- john, KE5FX


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 Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:10 PM
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 Subject: [time-nuts] Fine print on HP 5334B


 (Interesting timing given the SR620 discussion.)

 I'm (finally) getting my GPIB gizmo working.

 I have a HP 5334B running off its (good) internal osc looking at
 the output
 of a Z3801A.  Assuming the Z3801A is stable, this is a backwards way of
 looking at the internal osc.  (There is a shared in/out connector for the
 internal clock, so I can't see the internal osc if I feed it an ext
 reference.)

 I left it running for a night with the mostly default setup and 100 cycle
 averaging.  I think the default gate time is 0.3 seconds.  Answers ranged
 from:
   F  +9.99330E+06
   F  +9.99333E+06



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[time-nuts] COMPARE GPS DERIVED 10MHz FREQUENCY OF TO LOCAL OSCILLATOR

2006-11-08 Thread jshank

Hi,



What would be a good method of using my Z3801A 10MHz out put to adjust the 
oscillator adjustment dial on my 8130 Spectracom Frequency Standard Oscillator. 
 When I use the 8160A Spectracom NSB frequency Standard Receiver WWVB it has a 
frequency calibration feature which allows a local oscillator to be compared to 
the wwvb signal showing phase drift or slight frequency error in microseconds 
as well as a frequency counter showing frequency difference in 0.01 Hz and a 
recorder output allowing for monitoring to occur of several days.  

 

My question is what instrumentation or methods can I use to set my local 
oscillator to the Z3801A gps signal.  I know there is instrumentation such as 
Tracor 527E Frequency Difference Meter which may provide some of the features 
as the Spectracom 8160A, but is this what I am look for.



Jeff
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