[time-nuts] 100 MHz VCXOs

2014-12-11 Thread Jim Sanford

All:

Anybody have a DATA SHEET on the Wenzel VCXO's mentioned here and being 
sold on ebay?  I went to the Wenzel site and they say oscillators in 
that part number series are proprietary, you must contact them for 
additional information.


I bought one, it got here REALLY quick, and was hoping to file some 
reference data


Thanks,
Jim
wb4...@amsat.org


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Re: [time-nuts] 100 MHz VCXOs

2014-12-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

Those OCXO’s were made to the spec’s of an OEM customer. The spec’s are owned 
by that customer and can not be released without authorization from them. 
Anybody who wants to stay in the business would be a bit crazy to release 
somebody else’s intelectual property to the public. That’s not an uncommon 
issue with surplus OCXO”s. Rouglly 99.9% of them are built to customer spec.

Bob

 On Dec 11, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Jim Sanford wb4...@wb4gcs.org wrote:
 
 All:
 
 Anybody have a DATA SHEET on the Wenzel VCXO's mentioned here and being sold 
 on ebay?  I went to the Wenzel site and they say oscillators in that part 
 number series are proprietary, you must contact them for additional 
 information.
 
 I bought one, it got here REALLY quick, and was hoping to file some reference 
 data
 
 Thanks,
 Jim
 wb4...@amsat.org
 
 
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Re: [time-nuts] 100 MHz VCXOs

2014-12-11 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist



On 12/11/2014 4:20 PM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

Those OCXO’s were made to the spec’s of an OEM customer. The spec’s are owned 
by that customer and can not be released without authorization from them. 
Anybody who wants to stay in the business would be a bit crazy to release 
somebody else’s intelectual property to the public. That’s not an uncommon 
issue with surplus OCXO”s. Rouglly 99.9% of them are built to customer spec.

Bob



The reminds me of when I worked for HP.
We had a division that made diodes, which
all had a part number of the form 5082-.
There was a special series of part numbers
of the form 5082-5XXX that never appeared
in the catalog.  I remember I was working
on a step recovery diode multiplier and was
trying to reverse engineer various multipliers
that were designed into commercial equipment.
I got the HP part number of the diode
which was of the form 5082-5XXX from the
manual and found out that there was no data
available on these part numbers in the HP
internal system.  I called the Microwave
Semiconductor Division and got the story
Bob gave about OEM spec's.  I said, sure I
understand that, but I work for HP.  I was
told that you have to work for MSD, not just
HP to get access to this information, and
in any event, they would NOT sell us these
diodes, even as an internal transfer.

Rick Karlquist N6RK
HP 1979-1999 (then Agilent)
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Re: [time-nuts] 100 MHz VCXOs

2014-12-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi


 On Dec 11, 2014, at 8:18 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 On 12/11/2014 4:20 PM, Bob Camp wrote:
 Hi
 
 Those OCXO’s were made to the spec’s of an OEM customer. The spec’s are 
 owned by that customer and can not be released without authorization from 
 them. Anybody who wants to stay in the business would be a bit crazy to 
 release somebody else’s intelectual property to the public. That’s not an 
 uncommon issue with surplus OCXO”s. Rouglly 99.9% of them are built to 
 customer spec.
 
 Bob
 
 
 The reminds me of when I worked for HP.
 We had a division that made diodes, which
 all had a part number of the form 5082-.
 There was a special series of part numbers
 of the form 5082-5XXX that never appeared
 in the catalog.  I remember I was working
 on a step recovery diode multiplier and was
 trying to reverse engineer various multipliers
 that were designed into commercial equipment.
 I got the HP part number of the diode
 which was of the form 5082-5XXX from the
 manual and found out that there was no data
 available on these part numbers in the HP
 internal system.  I called the Microwave
 Semiconductor Division and got the story
 Bob gave about OEM spec's.  I said, sure I
 understand that, but I work for HP.  I was
 told that you have to work for MSD, not just
 HP to get access to this information, and
 in any event, they would NOT sell us these
 diodes, even as an internal transfer.

Once upon a time, I worked for a Chicago based company that made both 
semiconductors and OCXO’s. CTS Knights had a custom OCXO controller IC tooled 
with the semi side of the business. There was nothing anybody could do to get 
anywhere near that IC. They would not even admit that they made the part, 
despite the *very* familiar logo on the can of the part ….

Bob

 
 Rick Karlquist N6RK
 HP 1979-1999 (then Agilent)
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