Re: [time-nuts] 5061's on ebay - FIXED IT

2012-02-27 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:59:02 -0500
paul swed  wrote:

> Granted today there are alternates to those evil nicads. So perhaps they
> have a respectable life.

Not really. NiCd and NiMH are optimized for price these days, not
to last long. Li-Ion and Li-Poly are even worse (optimized for power
and price, not taking into account their inherently shorter life).

If you want to have long lasting akkus buy those that are rated for
such use. But they cost a premium. The only alternative are Pb batteries.
Especially the Pb-Gel ones. Those are made to last a couple of years
if not a decade or two before getting a too high internal resistance.

Attila Kinali

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Re: [time-nuts] 5061's on ebay - FIXED IT

2012-02-27 Thread paul swed
Joe
Good to hear that you recovered the 5061. A couple of comments.
Ground screws do indeed oxidize and it can be a very good fix for older
gear to simply loosen and re-tighten those screws or to replace pop riveted
terminal lugs with real screws and lock washers.

Nicads
My experience with modern nicads are they are real crud.I spent $45 for a
new set from a major supplier and they lasted a year before starting down
the failed path. I believe that any nicads on the shelf are getting pretty
old these days. Other amazing thing is I have tested those 30 year old
nicads and amazingly they really do hold up very well.  So someplace along
the line the manufacturers figured out how to make them a
re-occurring revenue stream.
Granted today there are alternates to those evil nicads. So perhaps they
have a respectable life.
Regards
Paul.
WB8TSL

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:24 PM, J. L. Trantham  wrote:

> Not being able to suppress my interests for too long, I explored my newly
> acquired 5061A this weekend.
>
> The problem was an oscillation in the A7 assembly, as determined by looking
> at the output at A7J6.
>
> I am not sure what I did to fix it but I removed all connections to the A7
> and A8 assemblies, reconnected them, and no joy.
>
> I then removed the A7 assembly, checked the components that have frequently
> failed in the past on my other 5061A's, found no problems, loosened all the
> mounting screws for the PCB then re-tightened them, cleaned all the
> connections, reinstalled it, switched the 'HI' and 'LO' switch back and
> forth half a zillion times, left it in 'HI', adjusted the 2nd Harmonic to
> '40' on the meter, and, magically, everything worked.
>
> I suspect the problem will be back.  I suspect a 'marginal' connection or a
> marginal component in the A7 assembly.  I have some 'parts units' available
> for the next time the unit fails.
>
> Nonetheless, it has 'locked' for the past hour with a Beam I of about 13
> nAmp, if my calculation is correct (-131.50 mV from the CS tube as
> connected
> to the cable from the tube to A7J1 and as measured with my Fluke 8050A with
> a 10 MOhm input resistance), and the output is 'locked' on my scope with
> it's trigger coming from my TBolt.
>
> I have ordered new batteries for the Option 02 battery pack although it
> even
> worked with only one 'dead' cell.  I replaced the 'dead' cell with one that
> 'kinda works' from another old battery pack, and now even the backup
> battery
> pack is working, 'kinda'.
>
> Happy to answer any questions.
>
> Joe
>
> -Original Message-
> From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
> Behalf Of J. L. Trantham
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:25 PM
> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5061's on ebay
>
> I'll do it.
>
> I work full time and this is my hobby.  So, it may be a while before I get
> into it though.
>
> Joe
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of paul swed
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:22 PM
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5061's on ebay
>
> Interested
>
>
>
>
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Re: [time-nuts] 5061's on ebay - FIXED IT

2012-02-26 Thread J. L. Trantham
Not being able to suppress my interests for too long, I explored my newly
acquired 5061A this weekend.  

The problem was an oscillation in the A7 assembly, as determined by looking
at the output at A7J6.  

I am not sure what I did to fix it but I removed all connections to the A7
and A8 assemblies, reconnected them, and no joy.

I then removed the A7 assembly, checked the components that have frequently
failed in the past on my other 5061A's, found no problems, loosened all the
mounting screws for the PCB then re-tightened them, cleaned all the
connections, reinstalled it, switched the 'HI' and 'LO' switch back and
forth half a zillion times, left it in 'HI', adjusted the 2nd Harmonic to
'40' on the meter, and, magically, everything worked.

I suspect the problem will be back.  I suspect a 'marginal' connection or a
marginal component in the A7 assembly.  I have some 'parts units' available
for the next time the unit fails.

Nonetheless, it has 'locked' for the past hour with a Beam I of about 13
nAmp, if my calculation is correct (-131.50 mV from the CS tube as connected
to the cable from the tube to A7J1 and as measured with my Fluke 8050A with
a 10 MOhm input resistance), and the output is 'locked' on my scope with
it's trigger coming from my TBolt.

I have ordered new batteries for the Option 02 battery pack although it even
worked with only one 'dead' cell.  I replaced the 'dead' cell with one that
'kinda works' from another old battery pack, and now even the backup battery
pack is working, 'kinda'.

Happy to answer any questions.

Joe

-Original Message-
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of J. L. Trantham
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:25 PM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5061's on ebay

I'll do it.

I work full time and this is my hobby.  So, it may be a while before I get
into it though.

Joe

-Original Message-
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of paul swed
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:22 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5061's on ebay

Interested




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