Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours.
Bob Camp bought up an interesting point, using a PAD will cut the voltage going up the spout to the antenna amplifier. I am using a distribution amp that separately powers the GPS antenna so did not take this into consideration. If you try the PAD, measure the voltage output of the pad to make sure that enough voltage is getting through to power your antenna's preamp, please? --marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark C. Stephens Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013 2:01 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours. Azelio, I had an interesting experience with the same symptoms tonight. I inserted a 6 dB pad on the antenna input and it appears to alleviated the problem. Perhaps the GPS module is being overloaded with too much signal? --marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 5:57 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours. I have a 58503 that occasionally is not able to track satellites. Usually I wait until the holdover expires but then the only fix seems to restart the 58503 (SYST:PRESET) better than power cycle. It seems there is a command to reset only the GPS receiver but it is not in the 58503 manual. On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > I have a Z3816A and it periodically jumps into holdover with error message: > Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold Then for the next 3-4 hours > it gradually adjusts the phase alignment. > The error message is Recovery: phase alignment [TI +435.5 us] (when I > noticed it had changed, they figure was likely to have been much > higher) The TI then gradually decreases, currently it is sitting on: > Recovery: phase alignment [TI +129.9 us] > > I am hoping that I won't have to power cycle the GPSDO to get it locked again. > > I emailed the seller (Yixun HK) and they are trying to tell me power cycle is > only fix. > They also claim the cause is due to weather? > > I explained to Yixun I have a lot of smart clocks here and none have > exhibited the same problem ever. > This is the 3rd defective Z3816A I have got off Yixun and it is costing me a > small fortune to send these back. > The first was reporting the 12v Supply was out of tolerance, a quick jump > into pForth confirmed the A, B and C 12v supplies were over 12.5v. > I ended up sending it back to Yixun. > The second I was able to fix myself, apparently someone had changed the OCXO > but left the insulating-spacing washers out from the pins of the OCXO. > This was causing a short on the EFC. > That Z3816A unit and now appears to be running normally except the PU is > terrible, I'll run Cal for 24 hours and see if it improves. > > However, Now the 3rd unit is getting this TI exceeded error. > I think I have had enough of shipping things back to these guys - they won't > replace anything, including parts, unless you ship back to them first. > > > I would just like to get some informed opinions, could the issue be with: > > a) Antenna > > b) GPS Module > > c) OCXO > > d) PLL circuit on main board. > > Many thanks, > --marki > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours.
Bob - Pad is connected between Distribution amp that powers antenna from separate supply. Good idea. I haven't bothered measuring the voltage at the output of the pad, perhaps a simple calculation for you? --marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013 12:06 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours. Hi Pad = resistor in series with the dc. That will drop the voltage on the amp in the antenna. Not a good idea. Bob Sent from my iPhone On Jul 20, 2013, at 9:26 PM, "Mark C. Stephens" wrote: > I did a quick check of the antenna current on a normal (un-attenuated) vs. > the attenuated receiver: > > Normal: > Antenna current: 26.470589 > > Attenuated: > Antenna current: 32.352940 > > Slightly higher, but well within range. > > > --marki > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] > On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani > Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:24 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds > hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours. > > OK, interesting but putting an attenuator on the antenna input seems not a > good idea when there are 5V present... > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Mark C. Stephens > wrote: >> Azelio, I had an interesting experience with the same symptoms tonight. >> I inserted a 6 dB pad on the antenna input and it appears to alleviated the >> problem. >> Perhaps the GPS module is being overloaded with too much signal? >> >> --marki >> >> -Original Message- >> From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] >> On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani >> Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 5:57 PM >> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds >> hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours. >> >> I have a 58503 that occasionally is not able to track satellites. >> Usually I wait until the holdover expires but then the only fix seems >> to restart the 58503 (SYST:PRESET) better than power cycle. It seems >> there is a command to reset only the GPS receiver but it is not in >> the >> 58503 manual. >> >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Mark C. Stephens >> wrote: >>> I have a Z3816A and it periodically jumps into holdover with error message: >>> Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold Then for the next 3-4 hours >>> it gradually adjusts the phase alignment. >>> The error message is Recovery: phase alignment [TI +435.5 us] (when >>> I noticed it had changed, they figure was likely to have been much >>> higher) The TI then gradually decreases, currently it is sitting on: >>> Recovery: phase alignment [TI +129.9 us] >>> >>> I am hoping that I won't have to power cycle the GPSDO to get it locked >>> again. >>> >>> I emailed the seller (Yixun HK) and they are trying to tell me power cycle >>> is only fix. >>> They also claim the cause is due to weather? >>> >>> I explained to Yixun I have a lot of smart clocks here and none have >>> exhibited the same problem ever. >>> This is the 3rd defective Z3816A I have got off Yixun and it is costing me >>> a small fortune to send these back. >>> The first was reporting the 12v Supply was out of tolerance, a quick jump >>> into pForth confirmed the A, B and C 12v supplies were over 12.5v. >>> I ended up sending it back to Yixun. >>> The second I was able to fix myself, apparently someone had changed the >>> OCXO but left the insulating-spacing washers out from the pins of the OCXO. >>> This was causing a short on the EFC. >>> That Z3816A unit and now appears to be running normally except the PU is >>> terrible, I'll run Cal for 24 hours and see if it improves. >>> >>> However, Now the 3rd unit is getting this TI exceeded error. >>> I think I have had enough of shipping things back to these guys - they >>> won't replace anything, including parts, unless you ship back to them first. >>> >>> >>> I would just like to get some informed opinions, could the issue be with: >>> >>> a)
Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours.
Hi Pad = resistor in series with the dc. That will drop the voltage on the amp in the antenna. Not a good idea. Bob Sent from my iPhone On Jul 20, 2013, at 9:26 PM, "Mark C. Stephens" wrote: > I did a quick check of the antenna current on a normal (un-attenuated) vs. > the attenuated receiver: > > Normal: > Antenna current: 26.470589 > > Attenuated: > Antenna current: 32.352940 > > Slightly higher, but well within range. > > > --marki > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Azelio Boriani > Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:24 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds > hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours. > > OK, interesting but putting an attenuator on the antenna input seems not a > good idea when there are 5V present... > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Mark C. Stephens > wrote: >> Azelio, I had an interesting experience with the same symptoms tonight. >> I inserted a 6 dB pad on the antenna input and it appears to alleviated the >> problem. >> Perhaps the GPS module is being overloaded with too much signal? >> >> --marki >> >> -Original Message- >> From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] >> On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani >> Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 5:57 PM >> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds >> hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours. >> >> I have a 58503 that occasionally is not able to track satellites. >> Usually I wait until the holdover expires but then the only fix seems >> to restart the 58503 (SYST:PRESET) better than power cycle. It seems >> there is a command to reset only the GPS receiver but it is not in the >> 58503 manual. >> >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Mark C. Stephens >> wrote: >>> I have a Z3816A and it periodically jumps into holdover with error message: >>> Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold Then for the next 3-4 hours >>> it gradually adjusts the phase alignment. >>> The error message is Recovery: phase alignment [TI +435.5 us] (when I >>> noticed it had changed, they figure was likely to have been much >>> higher) The TI then gradually decreases, currently it is sitting on: >>> Recovery: phase alignment [TI +129.9 us] >>> >>> I am hoping that I won't have to power cycle the GPSDO to get it locked >>> again. >>> >>> I emailed the seller (Yixun HK) and they are trying to tell me power cycle >>> is only fix. >>> They also claim the cause is due to weather? >>> >>> I explained to Yixun I have a lot of smart clocks here and none have >>> exhibited the same problem ever. >>> This is the 3rd defective Z3816A I have got off Yixun and it is costing me >>> a small fortune to send these back. >>> The first was reporting the 12v Supply was out of tolerance, a quick jump >>> into pForth confirmed the A, B and C 12v supplies were over 12.5v. >>> I ended up sending it back to Yixun. >>> The second I was able to fix myself, apparently someone had changed the >>> OCXO but left the insulating-spacing washers out from the pins of the OCXO. >>> This was causing a short on the EFC. >>> That Z3816A unit and now appears to be running normally except the PU is >>> terrible, I'll run Cal for 24 hours and see if it improves. >>> >>> However, Now the 3rd unit is getting this TI exceeded error. >>> I think I have had enough of shipping things back to these guys - they >>> won't replace anything, including parts, unless you ship back to them first. >>> >>> >>> I would just like to get some informed opinions, could the issue be with: >>> >>> a) Antenna >>> >>> b) GPS Module >>> >>> c) OCXO >>> >>> d) PLL circuit on main board. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> --marki >>> ___ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.c
Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours.
I did a quick check of the antenna current on a normal (un-attenuated) vs. the attenuated receiver: Normal: Antenna current: 26.470589 Attenuated: Antenna current: 32.352940 Slightly higher, but well within range. --marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:24 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours. OK, interesting but putting an attenuator on the antenna input seems not a good idea when there are 5V present... On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > Azelio, I had an interesting experience with the same symptoms tonight. > I inserted a 6 dB pad on the antenna input and it appears to alleviated the > problem. > Perhaps the GPS module is being overloaded with too much signal? > > --marki > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] > On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani > Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 5:57 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds > hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours. > > I have a 58503 that occasionally is not able to track satellites. > Usually I wait until the holdover expires but then the only fix seems > to restart the 58503 (SYST:PRESET) better than power cycle. It seems > there is a command to reset only the GPS receiver but it is not in the > 58503 manual. > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Mark C. Stephens > wrote: >> I have a Z3816A and it periodically jumps into holdover with error message: >> Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold Then for the next 3-4 hours >> it gradually adjusts the phase alignment. >> The error message is Recovery: phase alignment [TI +435.5 us] (when I >> noticed it had changed, they figure was likely to have been much >> higher) The TI then gradually decreases, currently it is sitting on: >> Recovery: phase alignment [TI +129.9 us] >> >> I am hoping that I won't have to power cycle the GPSDO to get it locked >> again. >> >> I emailed the seller (Yixun HK) and they are trying to tell me power cycle >> is only fix. >> They also claim the cause is due to weather? >> >> I explained to Yixun I have a lot of smart clocks here and none have >> exhibited the same problem ever. >> This is the 3rd defective Z3816A I have got off Yixun and it is costing me a >> small fortune to send these back. >> The first was reporting the 12v Supply was out of tolerance, a quick jump >> into pForth confirmed the A, B and C 12v supplies were over 12.5v. >> I ended up sending it back to Yixun. >> The second I was able to fix myself, apparently someone had changed the OCXO >> but left the insulating-spacing washers out from the pins of the OCXO. >> This was causing a short on the EFC. >> That Z3816A unit and now appears to be running normally except the PU is >> terrible, I'll run Cal for 24 hours and see if it improves. >> >> However, Now the 3rd unit is getting this TI exceeded error. >> I think I have had enough of shipping things back to these guys - they won't >> replace anything, including parts, unless you ship back to them first. >> >> >> I would just like to get some informed opinions, could the issue be with: >> >> a) Antenna >> >> b) GPS Module >> >> c) OCXO >> >> d) PLL circuit on main board. >> >> Many thanks, >> --marki >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours.
OK, interesting but putting an attenuator on the antenna input seems not a good idea when there are 5V present... On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > Azelio, I had an interesting experience with the same symptoms tonight. > I inserted a 6 dB pad on the antenna input and it appears to alleviated the > problem. > Perhaps the GPS module is being overloaded with too much signal? > > --marki > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Azelio Boriani > Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 5:57 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds > hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours. > > I have a 58503 that occasionally is not able to track satellites. > Usually I wait until the holdover expires but then the only fix seems to > restart the 58503 (SYST:PRESET) better than power cycle. It seems there is a > command to reset only the GPS receiver but it is not in the > 58503 manual. > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Mark C. Stephens > wrote: >> I have a Z3816A and it periodically jumps into holdover with error message: >> Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold Then for the next 3-4 hours >> it gradually adjusts the phase alignment. >> The error message is Recovery: phase alignment [TI +435.5 us] (when I >> noticed it had changed, they figure was likely to have been much >> higher) The TI then gradually decreases, currently it is sitting on: >> Recovery: phase alignment [TI +129.9 us] >> >> I am hoping that I won't have to power cycle the GPSDO to get it locked >> again. >> >> I emailed the seller (Yixun HK) and they are trying to tell me power cycle >> is only fix. >> They also claim the cause is due to weather? >> >> I explained to Yixun I have a lot of smart clocks here and none have >> exhibited the same problem ever. >> This is the 3rd defective Z3816A I have got off Yixun and it is costing me a >> small fortune to send these back. >> The first was reporting the 12v Supply was out of tolerance, a quick jump >> into pForth confirmed the A, B and C 12v supplies were over 12.5v. >> I ended up sending it back to Yixun. >> The second I was able to fix myself, apparently someone had changed the OCXO >> but left the insulating-spacing washers out from the pins of the OCXO. >> This was causing a short on the EFC. >> That Z3816A unit and now appears to be running normally except the PU is >> terrible, I'll run Cal for 24 hours and see if it improves. >> >> However, Now the 3rd unit is getting this TI exceeded error. >> I think I have had enough of shipping things back to these guys - they won't >> replace anything, including parts, unless you ship back to them first. >> >> >> I would just like to get some informed opinions, could the issue be with: >> >> a) Antenna >> >> b) GPS Module >> >> c) OCXO >> >> d) PLL circuit on main board. >> >> Many thanks, >> --marki >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours.
Azelio, I had an interesting experience with the same symptoms tonight. I inserted a 6 dB pad on the antenna input and it appears to alleviated the problem. Perhaps the GPS module is being overloaded with too much signal? --marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 5:57 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours. I have a 58503 that occasionally is not able to track satellites. Usually I wait until the holdover expires but then the only fix seems to restart the 58503 (SYST:PRESET) better than power cycle. It seems there is a command to reset only the GPS receiver but it is not in the 58503 manual. On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > I have a Z3816A and it periodically jumps into holdover with error message: > Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold Then for the next 3-4 hours > it gradually adjusts the phase alignment. > The error message is Recovery: phase alignment [TI +435.5 us] (when I > noticed it had changed, they figure was likely to have been much > higher) The TI then gradually decreases, currently it is sitting on: > Recovery: phase alignment [TI +129.9 us] > > I am hoping that I won't have to power cycle the GPSDO to get it locked again. > > I emailed the seller (Yixun HK) and they are trying to tell me power cycle is > only fix. > They also claim the cause is due to weather? > > I explained to Yixun I have a lot of smart clocks here and none have > exhibited the same problem ever. > This is the 3rd defective Z3816A I have got off Yixun and it is costing me a > small fortune to send these back. > The first was reporting the 12v Supply was out of tolerance, a quick jump > into pForth confirmed the A, B and C 12v supplies were over 12.5v. > I ended up sending it back to Yixun. > The second I was able to fix myself, apparently someone had changed the OCXO > but left the insulating-spacing washers out from the pins of the OCXO. > This was causing a short on the EFC. > That Z3816A unit and now appears to be running normally except the PU is > terrible, I'll run Cal for 24 hours and see if it improves. > > However, Now the 3rd unit is getting this TI exceeded error. > I think I have had enough of shipping things back to these guys - they won't > replace anything, including parts, unless you ship back to them first. > > > I would just like to get some informed opinions, could the issue be with: > > a) Antenna > > b) GPS Module > > c) OCXO > > d) PLL circuit on main board. > > Many thanks, > --marki > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours.
Azelio, There is a pForth command init_gps Or syst:pon does a warm boot. Syst:pres defaults all settings! For the first time, I waited around and eventually, the phase lock was restored. Actually, since it went through this process the GPS RX is behaving itself better than ever. Perhaps it forced some sort of calibration routine. Previously, I just rebooted the unit to get lock back. -marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 5:57 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours. I have a 58503 that occasionally is not able to track satellites. Usually I wait until the holdover expires but then the only fix seems to restart the 58503 (SYST:PRESET) better than power cycle. It seems there is a command to reset only the GPS receiver but it is not in the 58503 manual. On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > I have a Z3816A and it periodically jumps into holdover with error message: > Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold Then for the next 3-4 hours > it gradually adjusts the phase alignment. > The error message is Recovery: phase alignment [TI +435.5 us] (when I > noticed it had changed, they figure was likely to have been much > higher) The TI then gradually decreases, currently it is sitting on: > Recovery: phase alignment [TI +129.9 us] > > I am hoping that I won't have to power cycle the GPSDO to get it locked again. > > I emailed the seller (Yixun HK) and they are trying to tell me power cycle is > only fix. > They also claim the cause is due to weather? > > I explained to Yixun I have a lot of smart clocks here and none have > exhibited the same problem ever. > This is the 3rd defective Z3816A I have got off Yixun and it is costing me a > small fortune to send these back. > The first was reporting the 12v Supply was out of tolerance, a quick jump > into pForth confirmed the A, B and C 12v supplies were over 12.5v. > I ended up sending it back to Yixun. > The second I was able to fix myself, apparently someone had changed the OCXO > but left the insulating-spacing washers out from the pins of the OCXO. > This was causing a short on the EFC. > That Z3816A unit and now appears to be running normally except the PU is > terrible, I'll run Cal for 24 hours and see if it improves. > > However, Now the 3rd unit is getting this TI exceeded error. > I think I have had enough of shipping things back to these guys - they won't > replace anything, including parts, unless you ship back to them first. > > > I would just like to get some informed opinions, could the issue be with: > > a) Antenna > > b) GPS Module > > c) OCXO > > d) PLL circuit on main board. > > Many thanks, > --marki > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours.
I have a 58503 that occasionally is not able to track satellites. Usually I wait until the holdover expires but then the only fix seems to restart the 58503 (SYST:PRESET) better than power cycle. It seems there is a command to reset only the GPS receiver but it is not in the 58503 manual. On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > I have a Z3816A and it periodically jumps into holdover with error message: > Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold > Then for the next 3-4 hours it gradually adjusts the phase alignment. > The error message is Recovery: phase alignment [TI +435.5 us] > (when I noticed it had changed, they figure was likely to have been much > higher) > The TI then gradually decreases, currently it is sitting on: > Recovery: phase alignment [TI +129.9 us] > > I am hoping that I won't have to power cycle the GPSDO to get it locked again. > > I emailed the seller (Yixun HK) and they are trying to tell me power cycle is > only fix. > They also claim the cause is due to weather? > > I explained to Yixun I have a lot of smart clocks here and none have > exhibited the same problem ever. > This is the 3rd defective Z3816A I have got off Yixun and it is costing me a > small fortune to send these back. > The first was reporting the 12v Supply was out of tolerance, a quick jump > into pForth confirmed the A, B and C 12v supplies were over 12.5v. > I ended up sending it back to Yixun. > The second I was able to fix myself, apparently someone had changed the OCXO > but left the insulating-spacing washers out from the pins of the OCXO. > This was causing a short on the EFC. > That Z3816A unit and now appears to be running normally except the PU is > terrible, I'll run Cal for 24 hours and see if it improves. > > However, Now the 3rd unit is getting this TI exceeded error. > I think I have had enough of shipping things back to these guys - they won't > replace anything, including parts, unless you ship back to them first. > > > I would just like to get some informed opinions, could the issue be with: > > a) Antenna > > b) GPS Module > > c) OCXO > > d) PLL circuit on main board. > > Many thanks, > --marki > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours.
I have a Z3816A and it periodically jumps into holdover with error message: Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold Then for the next 3-4 hours it gradually adjusts the phase alignment. The error message is Recovery: phase alignment [TI +435.5 us] (when I noticed it had changed, they figure was likely to have been much higher) The TI then gradually decreases, currently it is sitting on: Recovery: phase alignment [TI +129.9 us] I am hoping that I won't have to power cycle the GPSDO to get it locked again. I emailed the seller (Yixun HK) and they are trying to tell me power cycle is only fix. They also claim the cause is due to weather? I explained to Yixun I have a lot of smart clocks here and none have exhibited the same problem ever. This is the 3rd defective Z3816A I have got off Yixun and it is costing me a small fortune to send these back. The first was reporting the 12v Supply was out of tolerance, a quick jump into pForth confirmed the A, B and C 12v supplies were over 12.5v. I ended up sending it back to Yixun. The second I was able to fix myself, apparently someone had changed the OCXO but left the insulating-spacing washers out from the pins of the OCXO. This was causing a short on the EFC. That Z3816A unit and now appears to be running normally except the PU is terrible, I'll run Cal for 24 hours and see if it improves. However, Now the 3rd unit is getting this TI exceeded error. I think I have had enough of shipping things back to these guys - they won't replace anything, including parts, unless you ship back to them first. I would just like to get some informed opinions, could the issue be with: a) Antenna b) GPS Module c) OCXO d) PLL circuit on main board. Many thanks, --marki ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
