Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments
Neon John wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:43:41 -0500, Chuck Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Neon John wrote: >>> Federal law says that landlords cannot prohibit satellite TV dishes. >>> Another one of >>> those "best laws money can buy". The implication for a solution to the GPS >>> antenna >>> problem is fairly obvious. >> I think you need to read the law a little bit more carefully! > > Should have figured you'd be the one to make that kind of pedantic reply. Really? I wasn't aware that I had a reputation for being a pedant. >> What the law says, as I read it, is that you can put up radio, >> TV, or satellite antennas on your own property, regardless of >> covenants, home owners association rules, or zoning ordinances. >> But, if the property isn't yours, or isn't available for your >> exclusive use, it is up to the owner (or controlling authority) >> to decide whether you may or may not. > > I'm neither interested in parsing individual sentences in a regulation (I > hire a > lawyer to do that for me) nor debating this guy's controlling status. As a > landlord, > I've been told that if I want to avoid a slew of legal fees and hassles, let > the > tenants put up their dishes as they wish as long as the placement is > reasonable. As > an observer, I notice that most every apartment complex I've observed follows > that > same guidance. And I explained the bounds of "reasonable". I cannot imagine why that would put you in a huff. > > I'll rephrase. "The implication for a solution to the GPS antenna problem is > fairly > obvious 99.999% of the time. Put the dish up, strap on a GPS receiver > and see > what happens. Sheesh. I long ago tired of the petty rules and regulations the city folk foist onto each other. So I bought a farm and do pretty much as I please. -Chuck Harris ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments
If you have purchased, leased or rented property and there were CC&R's included in the transaction and in those CC&R's is buried a prohibition on outside antennas, you are out of luck. You entered into a contract and the CC&R's are a part of that contract. In fact, the FCC has stated that in the case of CC&R's prohibiting Ham Radio antennae, PRB-1 does NOT apply. That being said, I go for the age old approach that asking forgiveness is better than asking permission. Put up as small an antenna as you can, some are only 2-3" in diameter and tell the landlord, if he asks, the use is classified. 73, Dick, W1KSZ/7 -Original Message- >From: Chuck Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Dec 17, 2007 11:43 AM >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments > >Neon John wrote: >> On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:57:49 -0800, Hal Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> Talk to your building superintendent. Offer to provide NTP service to the >>> whole complex if he will help you setup a GPS antenna. >> >> I can see it now. "Duh, how's this NTP stuff gonna help me unstop the >> toilet in >> 23?" :-) >> >>> What do people who want satellite TV do? >> >> Federal law says that landlords cannot prohibit satellite TV dishes. Another >> one of >> those "best laws money can buy". The implication for a solution to the GPS >> antenna >> problem is fairly obvious. > >I think you need to read the law a little bit more carefully! > >What the law says, as I read it, is that you can put up radio, >TV, or satellite antennas on your own property, regardless of >covenants, home owners association rules, or zoning ordinances. >But, if the property isn't yours, or isn't available for your >exclusive use, it is up to the owner (or controlling authority) >to decide whether you may or may not. > >The FCC's website has a Q&A section where they specifically answer >a question about putting up an antenna that extends beyond the >apartment/townhouse deck into the air space. They say that the >law only controls what is allowed within the confines of the deck, >and not what is allowed in the air space beyond the deck. > >-Chuck > >___ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:43:41 -0500, Chuck Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Neon John wrote: >> Federal law says that landlords cannot prohibit satellite TV dishes. Another >> one of >> those "best laws money can buy". The implication for a solution to the GPS >> antenna >> problem is fairly obvious. > >I think you need to read the law a little bit more carefully! Should have figured you'd be the one to make that kind of pedantic reply. >What the law says, as I read it, is that you can put up radio, >TV, or satellite antennas on your own property, regardless of >covenants, home owners association rules, or zoning ordinances. >But, if the property isn't yours, or isn't available for your >exclusive use, it is up to the owner (or controlling authority) >to decide whether you may or may not. I'm neither interested in parsing individual sentences in a regulation (I hire a lawyer to do that for me) nor debating this guy's controlling status. As a landlord, I've been told that if I want to avoid a slew of legal fees and hassles, let the tenants put up their dishes as they wish as long as the placement is reasonable. As an observer, I notice that most every apartment complex I've observed follows that same guidance. I'll rephrase. "The implication for a solution to the GPS antenna problem is fairly obvious 99.999% of the time. Put the dish up, strap on a GPS receiver and see what happens. Sheesh. John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN I like you ... you remind me of me when I was young and stupid. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments
Neon John wrote: > On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:57:49 -0800, Hal Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Talk to your building superintendent. Offer to provide NTP service to the >> whole complex if he will help you setup a GPS antenna. > > I can see it now. "Duh, how's this NTP stuff gonna help me unstop the > toilet in > 23?" :-) > >> What do people who want satellite TV do? > > Federal law says that landlords cannot prohibit satellite TV dishes. Another > one of > those "best laws money can buy". The implication for a solution to the GPS > antenna > problem is fairly obvious. I think you need to read the law a little bit more carefully! What the law says, as I read it, is that you can put up radio, TV, or satellite antennas on your own property, regardless of covenants, home owners association rules, or zoning ordinances. But, if the property isn't yours, or isn't available for your exclusive use, it is up to the owner (or controlling authority) to decide whether you may or may not. The FCC's website has a Q&A section where they specifically answer a question about putting up an antenna that extends beyond the apartment/townhouse deck into the air space. They say that the law only controls what is allowed within the confines of the deck, and not what is allowed in the air space beyond the deck. -Chuck ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:57:49 -0800, Hal Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Talk to your building superintendent. Offer to provide NTP service to the >whole complex if he will help you setup a GPS antenna. I can see it now. "Duh, how's this NTP stuff gonna help me unstop the toilet in 23?" :-) > >What do people who want satellite TV do? Federal law says that landlords cannot prohibit satellite TV dishes. Another one of those "best laws money can buy". The implication for a solution to the GPS antenna problem is fairly obvious. John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made with meat? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments
> i thought of tha balcony option. The balcony as an overhang which > effectively blots out the other half of ths sky not covered by the > building. I cannot hang any antenna over the railing or on it(in my > lease and enofrce;I asked), plus there are birds and squirrels which > would get into it. Any other suggestions? You said " I cannot hang any antenna over the railing or on it". Does that mean you can put things out there as long as they are not visible from the outside? Try it just inside/below the railing. Talk to your building superintendent. Offer to provide NTP service to the whole complex if he will help you setup a GPS antenna. What do people who want satellite TV do? I like the hide-it-in-a-bird-feeder suggestion. Are plants and bird feeders prohibited? -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
