[time-nuts] Canada's 5,000 year old calendar

[michael taylor]

I'm not sure how "accepted" the claim is, but apparently is made
national media in one of two major Canadian national daily newspapers,
The Globe and Mail with the article "Canada's Stonehenge" by Bob Weber
January 29, 2009.



An academic maverick is challenging conventional wisdom on Canada's
prehistory by claiming an archeological site in southern Alberta is
really a vast, open-air sun temple with a precise 5,000-year-old
calendar predating England's Stonehenge and Egypt's pyramids.

Mainstream archeologists consider the rock-encircled cairn to be just
another medicine wheel left behind by early aboriginals. But a new
book by retired University of Alberta professor Gordon Freeman says it
is in fact the centre of a 26-square-kilometre stone "lacework" that
marks the changing seasons and the phases of the moon with greater
accuracy than our current calendar.
...

Professor Dr. Gordon Freeman's university web page

And a related web site  relating to the
book mentioned in the article. - _Canada's Stonehenge_ By Gordon
Freeman ISBN 978-0-978-4526-1-2

Since we had some discussion about historic calendars earlier this
year, I thought it might of interest here.

-Michael

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Re: [time-nuts] Canada's 5,000 year old calendar

[M. Warner Losh]

In message: <25630a120901291622l5cc165ecna06e01cc3de52...@mail.gmail.com>
michael taylor  writes:
: An academic maverick is challenging conventional wisdom on Canada's
: prehistory by claiming an archeological site in southern Alberta is
: really a vast, open-air sun temple with a precise 5,000-year-old
: calendar predating England's Stonehenge and Egypt's pyramids.
...
: Since we had some discussion about historic calendars earlier this
: year, I thought it might of interest here.

I wonder if he has accounted for the progression in the earth's wobble
over the past 5k years to make his claims...

Warner

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Re: [time-nuts] Canada's 5,000 year old calendar

[Magnus Danielson]

M. Warner Losh skrev:
> In message: <25630a120901291622l5cc165ecna06e01cc3de52...@mail.gmail.com>
> michael taylor  writes:
> : An academic maverick is challenging conventional wisdom on Canada's
> : prehistory by claiming an archeological site in southern Alberta is
> : really a vast, open-air sun temple with a precise 5,000-year-old
> : calendar predating England's Stonehenge and Egypt's pyramids.
> ...
> : Since we had some discussion about historic calendars earlier this
> : year, I thought it might of interest here.
> 
> I wonder if he has accounted for the progression in the earth's wobble
> over the past 5k years to make his claims...

Hmm... never check a story too closely... :)

I think to recall that that kind of people use software that can fairly 
accurately re-play sky-events back in time... considering various of 
long-term drift effects. Would love to fool around with that kind of 
stuff... but it is probably unobtainables for mere mortals like me.

Cheers,
Magnus

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Re: [time-nuts] Canada's 5,000 year old calendar

[M. Warner Losh]

In message: <49825436.5090...@rubidium.dyndns.org>
Magnus Danielson  writes:
: M. Warner Losh skrev:
: > In message: <25630a120901291622l5cc165ecna06e01cc3de52...@mail.gmail.com>
: > michael taylor  writes:
: > : An academic maverick is challenging conventional wisdom on Canada's
: > : prehistory by claiming an archeological site in southern Alberta is
: > : really a vast, open-air sun temple with a precise 5,000-year-old
: > : calendar predating England's Stonehenge and Egypt's pyramids.
: > ...
: > : Since we had some discussion about historic calendars earlier this
: > : year, I thought it might of interest here.
: > 
: > I wonder if he has accounted for the progression in the earth's wobble
: > over the past 5k years to make his claims...
: 
: Hmm... never check a story too closely... :)
: 
: I think to recall that that kind of people use software that can fairly 
: accurately re-play sky-events back in time... considering various of 
: long-term drift effects. Would love to fool around with that kind of 
: stuff... but it is probably unobtainables for mere mortals like me.

But I though that unobtainium was easily procured by the time-nuts :)
I've seen such software on several shows on TV about
"paleo-astronomy".

Warner

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Re: [time-nuts] Canada's 5,000 year old calendar

[Magnus Danielson]

M. Warner Losh skrev:
> In message: <49825436.5090...@rubidium.dyndns.org>
> Magnus Danielson  writes:
> : M. Warner Losh skrev:
> : > In message: <25630a120901291622l5cc165ecna06e01cc3de52...@mail.gmail.com>
> : > michael taylor  writes:
> : > : An academic maverick is challenging conventional wisdom on Canada's
> : > : prehistory by claiming an archeological site in southern Alberta is
> : > : really a vast, open-air sun temple with a precise 5,000-year-old
> : > : calendar predating England's Stonehenge and Egypt's pyramids.
> : > ...
> : > : Since we had some discussion about historic calendars earlier this
> : > : year, I thought it might of interest here.
> : > 
> : > I wonder if he has accounted for the progression in the earth's wobble
> : > over the past 5k years to make his claims...
> : 
> : Hmm... never check a story too closely... :)
> : 
> : I think to recall that that kind of people use software that can fairly 
> : accurately re-play sky-events back in time... considering various of 
> : long-term drift effects. Would love to fool around with that kind of 
> : stuff... but it is probably unobtainables for mere mortals like me.
> 
> But I though that unobtainium was easily procured by the time-nuts :)

Yes,  that's the easy stuff for us. :)

> I've seen such software on several shows on TV about
> "paleo-astronomy".

So obviously it exists and it makes sense from their context. I guess 
many of the existing viewers does not require much more logic to them to 
pull it off.

At least positive JD era should have a fair precission for most of their 
work.

Cheers,
Magnus

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Re: [time-nuts] Canada's 5,000 year old calendar

[Brooke Clarke]

Hi Magnus:

MICA is a package done by USNO that I use to check astronomical events for my 
location.  http://www.willbell.com/almanacs/almanac_mica.htm
good back to only 1800.


Starry Night is rated for 4713 BC to  AD
http://www.starrynightstore.com/17236.html#learnmore

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.prc68.com

Magnus Danielson wrote:
> M. Warner Losh skrev:
>> In message: <25630a120901291622l5cc165ecna06e01cc3de52...@mail.gmail.com>
>> michael taylor  writes:
>> : An academic maverick is challenging conventional wisdom on Canada's
>> : prehistory by claiming an archeological site in southern Alberta is
>> : really a vast, open-air sun temple with a precise 5,000-year-old
>> : calendar predating England's Stonehenge and Egypt's pyramids.
>> ...
>> : Since we had some discussion about historic calendars earlier this
>> : year, I thought it might of interest here.
>>
>> I wonder if he has accounted for the progression in the earth's wobble
>> over the past 5k years to make his claims...
> 
> Hmm... never check a story too closely... :)
> 
> I think to recall that that kind of people use software that can fairly 
> accurately re-play sky-events back in time... considering various of 
> long-term drift effects. Would love to fool around with that kind of 
> stuff... but it is probably unobtainables for mere mortals like me.
> 
> Cheers,
> Magnus
> 
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Re: [time-nuts] Canada's 5,000 year old calendar

[Lux, James P]

On 1/29/09 5:13 PM, "Magnus Danielson"  wrote:

> M. Warner Losh skrev:
>> In message: <25630a120901291622l5cc165ecna06e01cc3de52...@mail.gmail.com>
>> michael taylor  writes:
>> : An academic maverick is challenging conventional wisdom on Canada's
>> : prehistory by claiming an archeological site in southern Alberta is
>> : really a vast, open-air sun temple with a precise 5,000-year-old
>> : calendar predating England's Stonehenge and Egypt's pyramids.
>> ...
>> : Since we had some discussion about historic calendars earlier this
>> : year, I thought it might of interest here.
>>
>> I wonder if he has accounted for the progression in the earth's wobble
>> over the past 5k years to make his claims...
>
> Hmm... never check a story too closely... :)
>
> I think to recall that that kind of people use software that can fairly
> accurately re-play sky-events back in time... considering various of
> long-term drift effects. Would love to fool around with that kind of
> stuff... but it is probably unobtainables for mere mortals like me.

I haven't read the article yet (I'm going to though)

I wouldn't count on them having a fancy sky simulator.  For all you know,
they've got something that just has a "good enough" approximation to do
right now, and they plugged in a date for 5000 years ago.  There's
applications that do this sort of thing for Palm Pilots and iPhones for
instance.

I have a little Celestron SkyScout (a very nifty device) and it has a GPS
receiver and magnetic sensor, so you can punch in what planet you want to
look at, and it figures out where to point, presumably by using some sort of
programmed ephemeris.  However, the accuracy of that ephemeris probably
significantly degrades if you were to somehow enter a date (normally picked
up from GPS) 200 years ago or in the future.

Ditto for the "go to" telescopes.

There ARE very accurate planetary ephemerides available for free. Check out
CCMATLAB (not free, but cheap) for an interface to the JPL Ephemerides
algorithms.  These are basically numerically integrated differential
equations used for predicting the motions of heavenly bodies for doing,
among other things, spacecraft navigation.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/?ephemerides

You can download them all from various JPL sites.

Jim


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