Re: [time-nuts] Looking for 1 GHz low phase noise amplifier

2013-10-04 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist

Thanks for the info.  I wouldn't have suspected those
little gain blocks were so good, and the voltage
bias problem makes sense.

Rick

On 9/30/2013 5:53 AM, Garry Thorp wrote:

Mini-Circuits' GALI- series of InGaP MMICs work pretty well. They typically 
have ~4dB NF, and the noise performance seems to be maintained up to a couple 
of dB below 1dB compression.

I haven't measured added phase noise, but absolute phase noise measurements, 
where the MMICs are used to amplify multiplied-up crystal oscillators, appear 
to indicate added noise less than -180dBc/Hz at 10kHz offset when scaled to 
120MHz (using 20log(N) relationship).

The GALI- series are traditional MMICs that require a resistor or current 
source to bias them. We have had problems with Some TriQuint InGaP MMICs that 
are designed for voltage biasing. Noise from their internal bias circuitry 
seems to get on to the signal, and the NF started to increase well below 
compression. Mini-Circuits' GVA- series may well be similar, as they are also 
voltage-biased.

Garry Thorp


Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:53:10 -0700

From: Richard Karlquist rich...@karlquist.commailto:rich...@karlquist.com

Can anyone suggest a low phase noise amplifier covering

something like 10-1000 MHz? Gain should be 10 to 20 dB

and phase noise should be spec'ed at +10 to +13 dBm output.

Both close in and far out phase noise are of interest.

Thanks in advance.

Rick Karlquist
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Re: [time-nuts] Looking for 1 GHz low phase noise amplifier

2013-09-30 Thread Garry Thorp
Mini-Circuits' GALI- series of InGaP MMICs work pretty well. They typically 
have ~4dB NF, and the noise performance seems to be maintained up to a couple 
of dB below 1dB compression.

I haven't measured added phase noise, but absolute phase noise measurements, 
where the MMICs are used to amplify multiplied-up crystal oscillators, appear 
to indicate added noise less than -180dBc/Hz at 10kHz offset when scaled to 
120MHz (using 20log(N) relationship).

The GALI- series are traditional MMICs that require a resistor or current 
source to bias them. We have had problems with Some TriQuint InGaP MMICs that 
are designed for voltage biasing. Noise from their internal bias circuitry 
seems to get on to the signal, and the NF started to increase well below 
compression. Mini-Circuits' GVA- series may well be similar, as they are also 
voltage-biased.

Garry Thorp


Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:53:10 -0700

From: Richard Karlquist rich...@karlquist.commailto:rich...@karlquist.com

Can anyone suggest a low phase noise amplifier covering

something like 10-1000 MHz? Gain should be 10 to 20 dB

and phase noise should be spec'ed at +10 to +13 dBm output.

Both close in and far out phase noise are of interest.

Thanks in advance.

Rick Karlquist
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[time-nuts] Looking for 1 GHz low phase noise amplifier

2013-09-27 Thread Richard Karlquist

Can anyone suggest a low phase noise amplifier covering
something like 10-1000 MHz?  Gain should be 10 to 20 dB
and phase noise should be spec'ed at +10 to +13 dBm output.
Both close in and far out phase noise are of interest.
Thanks in advance.

Rick Karlquist
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Re: [time-nuts] Looking for 1 GHz low phase noise amplifier

2013-09-27 Thread Tom Knox
Wenzel has low phase noise amps the will meet your needs and with prices from 
about $150-$300 the are an excellent value.

Thomas Knox



 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:53:10 -0700
 From: rich...@karlquist.com
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 Subject: [time-nuts] Looking for 1 GHz low phase noise amplifier
 
 Can anyone suggest a low phase noise amplifier covering
 something like 10-1000 MHz?  Gain should be 10 to 20 dB
 and phase noise should be spec'ed at +10 to +13 dBm output.
 Both close in and far out phase noise are of interest.
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Rick Karlquist
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Re: [time-nuts] Looking for 1 GHz low phase noise amplifier

2013-09-27 Thread Bruce Griffiths
apitech has a range of wideband amplifiers with guaranteed phase noise 
specs eg,:


http://micro.apitech.com/pdf/amplifier/lophase/TM9128PM.pdf

http://micro.apitech.com/pdf/amplifier/lophase/QBH-1423PM.pdf

http://micro.apitech.com/pdf/amplifier/lophase/TM9333PM.pdf

Bruce

Richard Karlquist wrote:

Can anyone suggest a low phase noise amplifier covering
something like 10-1000 MHz?  Gain should be 10 to 20 dB
and phase noise should be spec'ed at +10 to +13 dBm output.
Both close in and far out phase noise are of interest.
Thanks in advance.

Rick Karlquist
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