[time-nuts] eLoran announcement in the UK
Not the first time this has been mentioned but another confirmation of the GPS alternative and eLoran stations to be rolled out across UK http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2013/jul/eloran-rollout.cfm?utm_source=Adestrautm_campaign=E%26T%20News%20fortinightly%20-AUTOMATION%20VERSION-%20membersutm_medium=Newsletters-E%26T%20Newsutm_content=E%26T%20News%20-%20Membersutm_term=http%3A%2F%2Feandt.theiet.org%2Fnews%2F2013%2Fjul%2Feloran-rollout.cfmutm_contact=17085095 /A navigation system resilient to GPS jamming will be installed along the south and east coast of the UK, it was announced today./ /Following approval by the Department for Transport, seven differential eLoran stations will be installed to provide alternative position, navigation and timing (PNT) information to ensure that ships equipped with eLoran receivers can navigate safely in the event of GPS failure in one of the busiest shipping regions in the world./ /The GPS signals most ships rely on are vulnerable to both deliberate and accidental jamming, which is causing increasing concern because of the wide availability of GPS jammers online for as little as £30 that are capable of causing complete outages across all receivers currently on the market./ /The rollout, led by the General Lighthouse Authorities (GLAs) of the UK and Ireland, is the first in the world to deploy this technology for shipping companies operating both passenger and cargo services./ . etc Regards David (I've designed built off air standards for 60kHz MSF, 198kHz BBC radio4 and GPS so it looks another project just added to the DO list) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] eLoran announcement in the UK
Do you have any idea of the transmitter power/antenna gain? The relatively low power of the UK 60 kHz is strong enough to interfere w/ WWVB in MA, so I'm wondering if the UK eLORAN might be usably strong. -John === Not the first time this has been mentioned but another confirmation of the GPS alternative and eLoran stations to be rolled out across UK http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2013/jul/eloran-rollout.cfm?utm_source=Adestrautm_campaign=E%26T%20News%20fortinightly%20-AUTOMATION%20VERSION-%20membersutm_medium=Newsletters-E%26T%20Newsutm_content=E%26T%20News%20-%20Membersutm_term=http%3A%2F%2Feandt.theiet.org%2Fnews%2F2013%2Fjul%2Feloran-rollout.cfmutm_contact=17085095 /A navigation system resilient to GPS jamming will be installed along the south and east coast of the UK, it was announced today./ /Following approval by the Department for Transport, seven differential eLoran stations will be installed to provide alternative position, navigation and timing (PNT) information to ensure that ships equipped with eLoran receivers can navigate safely in the event of GPS failure in one of the busiest shipping regions in the world./ /The GPS signals most ships rely on are vulnerable to both deliberate and accidental jamming, which is causing increasing concern because of the wide availability of GPS jammers online for as little as £30 that are capable of causing complete outages across all receivers currently on the market./ /The rollout, led by the General Lighthouse Authorities (GLAs) of the UK and Ireland, is the first in the world to deploy this technology for shipping companies operating both passenger and cargo services./ . etc Regards David (I've designed built off air standards for 60kHz MSF, 198kHz BBC radio4 and GPS so it looks another project just added to the DO list) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] eLoran announcement in the UK
Hi There are multiple European chains running that can be picked up from the US. They all are in the skywave zone distance wise. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:31 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement@febo.com; time-nuts@febo.com@qkmail9.01trend.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] eLoran announcement in the UK Do you have any idea of the transmitter power/antenna gain? The relatively low power of the UK 60 kHz is strong enough to interfere w/ WWVB in MA, so I'm wondering if the UK eLORAN might be usably strong. -John === Not the first time this has been mentioned but another confirmation of the GPS alternative and eLoran stations to be rolled out across UK http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2013/jul/eloran-rollout.cfm?utm_source=Adestra; utm_campaign=E%26T%20News%20fortinightly%20-AUTOMATION%20VERSION-%20members utm_medium=Newsletters-E%26T%20Newsutm_content=E%26T%20News%20-%20Membersu tm_term=http%3A%2F%2Feandt.theiet.org%2Fnews%2F2013%2Fjul%2Feloran-rollout.c fmutm_contact=17085095 /A navigation system resilient to GPS jamming will be installed along the south and east coast of the UK, it was announced today./ /Following approval by the Department for Transport, seven differential eLoran stations will be installed to provide alternative position, navigation and timing (PNT) information to ensure that ships equipped with eLoran receivers can navigate safely in the event of GPS failure in one of the busiest shipping regions in the world./ /The GPS signals most ships rely on are vulnerable to both deliberate and accidental jamming, which is causing increasing concern because of the wide availability of GPS jammers online for as little as £30 that are capable of causing complete outages across all receivers currently on the market./ /The rollout, led by the General Lighthouse Authorities (GLAs) of the UK and Ireland, is the first in the world to deploy this technology for shipping companies operating both passenger and cargo services./ . etc Regards David (I've designed built off air standards for 60kHz MSF, 198kHz BBC radio4 and GPS so it looks another project just added to the DO list) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] eLoran announcement in the UK
On 17/07/13 17:27, David wrote: Not the first time this has been mentioned but another confirmation of the GPS alternative and eLoran stations to be rolled out across UK http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2013/jul/eloran-rollout.cfm?utm_source=Adestrautm_campaign=E%26T%20News%20fortinightly%20-AUTOMATION%20VERSION-%20membersutm_medium=Newsletters-E%26T%20Newsutm_content=E%26T%20News%20-%20Membersutm_term=http%3A%2F%2Feandt.theiet.org%2Fnews%2F2013%2Fjul%2Feloran-rollout.cfmutm_contact=17085095 Now this will be interesting. My -understanding- is that eLORAN is backwards compatible with LORAN-C, (So an old LORAN receiver will still receive the eLORAN signals, you just wont get the extra features [low rate data transmissions, timing built in, rather than relying on TOC etc]) Now if only they'd stop playing with Anthorn during the day at the moment, I could do some more tests. Ah well, I'll get to it later, it'll be cooler then anyway! Iain ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 17/07/13 17:55, Bob Camp wrote: There are multiple European chains running that can be picked up from the US. They all are in the skywave zone distance wise. Checkout http://www.loran-europe.eu for details. Iain ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I find this interesting. The military is also rekindling an interest in HF communications. It seems that they are worried that satellite communications are vulnerable. A story I heard was that one fellow (a ham and book reseller) spent 10 year buying up surplus Collins 5 kW transmitters from the government. He had the warehouse space and equipment to handle heavy stuff. Now there is a run on his stock by, guess who, the military. Brian On 7/17/2013 17:06, Iain Young wrote: On 17/07/13 17:27, David wrote: Not the first time this has been mentioned but another confirmation of the GPS alternative and eLoran stations to be rolled out across UK http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2013/jul/eloran-rollout.cfm?utm_source=Adestrautm_campaign=E%26T%20News%20fortinightly%20-AUTOMATION%20VERSION-%20membersutm_medium=Newsletters-E%26T%20Newsutm_content=E%26T%20News%20-%20Membersutm_term=http%3A%2F%2Feandt.theiet.org%2Fnews%2F2013%2Fjul%2Feloran-rollout.cfmutm_contact=17085095 Now this will be interesting. My -understanding- is that eLORAN is backwards compatible with LORAN-C, (So an old LORAN receiver will still receive the eLORAN signals, you just wont get the extra features [low rate data transmissions, timing built in, rather than relying on TOC etc]) Now if only they'd stop playing with Anthorn during the day at the moment, I could do some more tests. Ah well, I'll get to it later, it'll be cooler then anyway! Iain ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/5998 - Release Date: 07/17/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/5998 - Release Date: 07/17/13 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On a smaller scale, my two Austron 2100Fs are sitting, patiently waiting Has anyone had success in the US locking a standard LORAN-C receiver/antenna onto the European stations lately? -John = I find this interesting. The military is also rekindling an interest in HF communications. It seems that they are worried that satellite communications are vulnerable. A story I heard was that one fellow (a ham and book reseller) spent 10 year buying up surplus Collins 5 kW transmitters from the government. He had the warehouse space and equipment to handle heavy stuff. Now there is a run on his stock by, guess who, the military. Brian On 7/17/2013 17:06, Iain Young wrote: On 17/07/13 17:27, David wrote: Not the first time this has been mentioned but another confirmation of the GPS alternative and eLoran stations to be rolled out across UK http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2013/jul/eloran-rollout.cfm?utm_source=Adestrautm_campaign=E%26T%20News%20fortinightly%20-AUTOMATION%20VERSION-%20membersutm_medium=Newsletters-E%26T%20Newsutm_content=E%26T%20News%20-%20Membersutm_term=http%3A%2F%2Feandt.theiet.org%2Fnews%2F2013%2Fjul%2Feloran-rollout.cfmutm_contact=17085095 Now this will be interesting. My -understanding- is that eLORAN is backwards compatible with LORAN-C, (So an old LORAN receiver will still receive the eLORAN signals, you just wont get the extra features [low rate data transmissions, timing built in, rather than relying on TOC etc]) Now if only they'd stop playing with Anthorn during the day at the moment, I could do some more tests. Ah well, I'll get to it later, it'll be cooler then anyway! Iain ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/5998 - Release Date: 07/17/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/5998 - Release Date: 07/17/13 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Been quite. I have had a 3586 on listening to wwvb for testing and I jump up to 100KC every now and then. Granted if I don't here anything I go back. Pretty pot luck. Maybe they lost funding or since wwvb is now so good we won't do anything. Regards Paul. On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:31 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: On a smaller scale, my two Austron 2100Fs are sitting, patiently waiting Has anyone had success in the US locking a standard LORAN-C receiver/antenna onto the European stations lately? -John = I find this interesting. The military is also rekindling an interest in HF communications. It seems that they are worried that satellite communications are vulnerable. A story I heard was that one fellow (a ham and book reseller) spent 10 year buying up surplus Collins 5 kW transmitters from the government. He had the warehouse space and equipment to handle heavy stuff. Now there is a run on his stock by, guess who, the military. Brian On 7/17/2013 17:06, Iain Young wrote: On 17/07/13 17:27, David wrote: Not the first time this has been mentioned but another confirmation of the GPS alternative and eLoran stations to be rolled out across UK http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2013/jul/eloran-rollout.cfm?utm_source=Adestrautm_campaign=E%26T%20News%20fortinightly%20-AUTOMATION%20VERSION-%20membersutm_medium=Newsletters-E%26T%20Newsutm_content=E%26T%20News%20-%20Membersutm_term=http%3A%2F%2Feandt.theiet.org%2Fnews%2F2013%2Fjul%2Feloran-rollout.cfmutm_contact=17085095 Now this will be interesting. My -understanding- is that eLORAN is backwards compatible with LORAN-C, (So an old LORAN receiver will still receive the eLORAN signals, you just wont get the extra features [low rate data transmissions, timing built in, rather than relying on TOC etc]) Now if only they'd stop playing with Anthorn during the day at the moment, I could do some more tests. Ah well, I'll get to it later, it'll be cooler then anyway! Iain ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/5998 - Release Date: 07/17/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/5998 - Release Date: 07/17/13 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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If you Google Anthorn you get a page with data on quite a few VLF and other time stations. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Technology Inc The High Reliability Software 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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http://www.loran-europe.eu has details of european transmitters. Anthorn in the uk has a power of 250kW On 17 July 2013 17:31, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Do you have any idea of the transmitter power/antenna gain? The relatively low power of the UK 60 kHz is strong enough to interfere w/ WWVB in MA, so I'm wondering if the UK eLORAN might be usably strong. -John === Not the first time this has been mentioned but another confirmation of the GPS alternative and eLoran stations to be rolled out across UK http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2013/jul/eloran-rollout.cfm?utm_source=Adestrautm_campaign=E%26T%20News%20fortinightly%20-AUTOMATION%20VERSION-%20membersutm_medium=Newsletters-E%26T%20Newsutm_content=E%26T%20News%20-%20Membersutm_term=http%3A%2F%2Feandt.theiet.org%2Fnews%2F2013%2Fjul%2Feloran-rollout.cfmutm_contact=17085095 /A navigation system resilient to GPS jamming will be installed along the south and east coast of the UK, it was announced today./ /Following approval by the Department for Transport, seven differential eLoran stations will be installed to provide alternative position, navigation and timing (PNT) information to ensure that ships equipped with eLoran receivers can navigate safely in the event of GPS failure in one of the busiest shipping regions in the world./ /The GPS signals most ships rely on are vulnerable to both deliberate and accidental jamming, which is causing increasing concern because of the wide availability of GPS jammers online for as little as £30 that are capable of causing complete outages across all receivers currently on the market./ /The rollout, led by the General Lighthouse Authorities (GLAs) of the UK and Ireland, is the first in the world to deploy this technology for shipping companies operating both passenger and cargo services./ . etc Regards David (I've designed built off air standards for 60kHz MSF, 198kHz BBC radio4 and GPS so it looks another project just added to the DO list) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
