Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
Mike, The saw filter is between the antenna and the LNA. You're correct as to the sensitivity measurement; it is -146 dBm acquisition and -159 dBm tracking. It also specs 1PPS accuracy of < 22ns, 1 - sigma. Here is a link to the data sheet: <http://www.ilotus.com.sg/sites/all/themes/zeropoint/pdf/tx/TX%20Oncore%20-%20TDS%20(Ver%203.5.0).pdf> On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:33:38 -0500, "Mike Feher" wrote: >That sounds neat. My recollection of SAW filters from many moons ago is that >they have a fair amount of insertion loss. One always has to consider >trade-offs. Do you know if it is placed after the antenna and before the >LNA, or, is it after the LNA? Also, you probably meant -159 dBm of >sensitivity, and, I expect that is on a one Hz basis. 73 - Mike > >Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. >89 Arnold Blvd. >Howell, NJ, 07731 >732-886-5960 office >908-902-3831 cell > >-Original Message- >From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On >Behalf Of Matt Osborn >Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 2:59 PM >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' > >iLotus has the new TX Oncore timing receiver with a built in saw >filter and -159db sensitivity. Has anyone had a chance to put it >through its paces? > >-- kc0ukk at msosborn dot com > >___ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. > > >___ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. -- kc0ukk at msosborn dot com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
That sounds neat. My recollection of SAW filters from many moons ago is that they have a fair amount of insertion loss. One always has to consider trade-offs. Do you know if it is placed after the antenna and before the LNA, or, is it after the LNA? Also, you probably meant -159 dBm of sensitivity, and, I expect that is on a one Hz basis. 73 - Mike Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 office 908-902-3831 cell -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Matt Osborn Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 2:59 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' iLotus has the new TX Oncore timing receiver with a built in saw filter and -159db sensitivity. Has anyone had a chance to put it through its paces? -- kc0ukk at msosborn dot com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
iLotus has the new TX Oncore timing receiver with a built in saw filter and -159db sensitivity. Has anyone had a chance to put it through its paces? -- kc0ukk at msosborn dot com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
Bob wrote: Indeed this is my fear. The authorization really has very little to do with filling in dark holes in the sat coverage and everything to do with setting up a full blown terrestrial system. Correct. LightSquared's business model is to be a wholesale network provider. The FCC waiver explicitly allows LS to provide terrestrial network capacity only, to customers who do not care about satellite connectivity (which could be most of them). This is a preview of the future, in which there will be other terrestrial licensees on the spectrum that won't even need to have satellites in orbit. However, if these terrestrial networks do interfere with GPS in any significant way, the GPS interests will howl and something likely will be done. For that matter, LS will be relying on GPS timing receivers mounted next to its base stations to make its LTE network function. So don't give up just yet. Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
Hi Indeed this is my fear. The authorization really has very little to do with filling in dark holes in the sat coverage and everything to do with setting up a full blown terrestrial system. This is not going to be a "far away and easily ignored" thing. If you have cell phone coverage, you will likely have this stuff as well. The level may or may not be enough to take your timing gear off the air. It will take it down for a number of us. Bob On Mar 3, 2011, at 5:38 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: > Robert wrote: > >> What gets me (I'm an outsider in the UK), is that they seem to have used the >> excuse of Urban Canyon lack of space based broadband to hi-jack the >> frequencies for ground use. What's the betting 99% of the traffic is ground >> based, not space? Even though the Urban Canyonites could of course use >> fibre-optic broadband. > > The FCC believes (and studies show) that mobile broadband is the Next Big > Thing (some studies predict that the US will need 35x more mobile broadband > spectrum before long). So, most of the FCC's focus is on serving mobile > users, who cannot be served by fiber optics. To that end, the FCC is trying > to add 500 MHz of spectrum that is useful for mobile broadband over the next > 10 years, 300 MHz of it within 5 years: (http://www.broadband.gov/plan/). > > Now, 500 MHz is nowhere near 35x what is now available, so even if the FCC is > fully successful it presumably will not meet the demand -- but nobody at the > FCC or in Congress seems to have noticed this. Further, there is a limited > amount of spectrum that is truly useful for mobile broadband -- high enough > that antennas for handheld devices are manageable, but low enough to > penetrate into buildings and other dark zones -- so 500 MHz will be very, > very hard to find. The plan appears to include "repacking" all over-the-air > television stations into the VHF TV spectrum, to free up the UHF TV spectrum > (ironically, immediately after converting the industry to a DTV modulation > scheme that has severe multipath problems at VHF, so stations voluntarily > packed themselves into the UHF spectrum during the transition). > > MSS spectrum in the L-band (and elsewhere) has historically not been heavily > utilized because of the cost of infrastructure and the less-than-stellar > performance. The first step toward making this spectrum more useful was to > allow MSS licensees to construct an "ancillary terrestrial component" -- > cellular base stations on towers -- to fill in holes. The second step > (Lightsquared and other MSS licensees who will follow) is to waive some of > the provisions that make the terrestrial component "ancillary" (i.e., to > allow much more widespread terrestrial use). The third step is to authorize > purely terrestrial services to operate in the MSS bands (the FCC has already > officially proposed adding such allotments, and everyone in the > communications industry expects it to adopt the proposal): > http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-10-126A1_Rcd.pdf > > Bob asked where the 40k terrestrial base stations will go. That number is on > par with Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T, so one might expect the coverage to be > similar (Sprint has about 46k sites for its 1.9 GHz network). > > Best regards, > > Charles > > > > > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
On 4 March 2011 23:26, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: > Robert wrote: > >> Hey, at least you got vouchers. Here in Cambridge UK the analogue signal >> goes off next weekend and you are on your own for converters. > > If you had ever seen the video that comes out of the converters made to the > voucher price point, you might not be so keen on the program. Then again, > many Brits seem to tolerate the horrid video that Sky TV sends out > ;-) But at least it's in PAL not Never Twice The Same Colour :) Steve > Best regards, > > Charles > > > > > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
Robert wrote: Hey, at least you got vouchers. Here in Cambridge UK the analogue signal goes off next weekend and you are on your own for converters. If you had ever seen the video that comes out of the converters made to the voucher price point, you might not be so keen on the program. Then again, many Brits seem to tolerate the horrid video that Sky TV sends out;-) Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
Hey, at least you got vouchers. Here in Cambridge UK the analogue signal goes off next weekend and you are on your own for converters. Robert G8RPI. --- On Thu, 3/3/11, Jim Cotton wrote: From: Jim Cotton Subject: Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' To: time-nuts@febo.com Date: Thursday, 3 March, 2011, 20:22 The other scenerio is buy stock in the leading GPS makers and assume that they and Lightsquared will lobby effectively and everyone will be forced to buy new GPS units... There is precedent in that, the DTV converter box vouchers... Jim Cotton n8qoh On 3/3/11 3:09 PM, jimlux wrote: > On 3/3/11 9:34 AM, Bob Camp wrote: >> Hi >> >> There's obviously major fuel behind this thing. I'm willing to pass up GPS >> underground. It's GPS out in the open that is my main concern. IF they are >> going to use this for "last mile" connect to homes it will indeed be >> everywhere and anywhere. IF that's the case, you loose all sorts of GPS >> stuff. >> >> I'd hate to see my GPSDO collection wind up sitting next to the Loran C >> stuff out in the shed. >> > > > My theory is that the reason that this can't work is complex enough (yes, > trivial for us time-nuts and GPS afficionados, but complex for most others) > so it looks like could work to a lot of people, and is attractive, so the > stock price would get bid up. > > So, a wise person would do the following: > --->>> Wait for them to IPO > --->>> Watch the runup in stock price because it's the greatest thing since > sliced bread and will bring broadband to the unwashed masses, resulting in > world peace, etc. > --->>> short the stock or buy a default swap on them going under > Lightsquared "discovers" that there is an insurmountable regulatory hurdle > L2 says, "bummer, I guess we have to close up shop or redirect our efforts" > Stock price crashes > > -->>> Cash in on the default swap or stock puts > > > or, a more benign one... you could keep quite a crew of folks busy looking at > all the ramifications and implications and doing studies for half a dozen > years, and then move onto something else after having burned "other people's > money" that was invested. > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
Robert wrote: What gets me (I'm an outsider in the UK), is that they seem to have used the excuse of Urban Canyon lack of space based broadband to hi-jack the frequencies for ground use. What's the betting 99% of the traffic is ground based, not space? Even though the Urban Canyonites could of course use fibre-optic broadband. The FCC believes (and studies show) that mobile broadband is the Next Big Thing (some studies predict that the US will need 35x more mobile broadband spectrum before long). So, most of the FCC's focus is on serving mobile users, who cannot be served by fiber optics. To that end, the FCC is trying to add 500 MHz of spectrum that is useful for mobile broadband over the next 10 years, 300 MHz of it within 5 years: (http://www.broadband.gov/plan/). Now, 500 MHz is nowhere near 35x what is now available, so even if the FCC is fully successful it presumably will not meet the demand -- but nobody at the FCC or in Congress seems to have noticed this. Further, there is a limited amount of spectrum that is truly useful for mobile broadband -- high enough that antennas for handheld devices are manageable, but low enough to penetrate into buildings and other dark zones -- so 500 MHz will be very, very hard to find. The plan appears to include "repacking" all over-the-air television stations into the VHF TV spectrum, to free up the UHF TV spectrum (ironically, immediately after converting the industry to a DTV modulation scheme that has severe multipath problems at VHF, so stations voluntarily packed themselves into the UHF spectrum during the transition). MSS spectrum in the L-band (and elsewhere) has historically not been heavily utilized because of the cost of infrastructure and the less-than-stellar performance. The first step toward making this spectrum more useful was to allow MSS licensees to construct an "ancillary terrestrial component" -- cellular base stations on towers -- to fill in holes. The second step (Lightsquared and other MSS licensees who will follow) is to waive some of the provisions that make the terrestrial component "ancillary" (i.e., to allow much more widespread terrestrial use). The third step is to authorize purely terrestrial services to operate in the MSS bands (the FCC has already officially proposed adding such allotments, and everyone in the communications industry expects it to adopt the proposal): http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-10-126A1_Rcd.pdf Bob asked where the 40k terrestrial base stations will go. That number is on par with Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T, so one might expect the coverage to be similar (Sprint has about 46k sites for its 1.9 GHz network). Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
The problem will probably resolve itself when the first idiot to lose his GPS at a T junction drives into the deli across the street as he/she was not told to take a turn. The driver will sue for denial of service and 50 million other Americans will jump on board the class action. Le 03/03/2011 21:22, Jim Cotton a écrit : The other scenerio is buy stock in the leading GPS makers and assume that they and Lightsquared will lobby effectively and everyone will be forced to buy new GPS units... There is precedent in that, the DTV converter box vouchers... Jim Cotton n8qoh On 3/3/11 3:09 PM, jimlux wrote: On 3/3/11 9:34 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There's obviously major fuel behind this thing. I'm willing to pass up GPS underground. It's GPS out in the open that is my main concern. IF they are going to use this for "last mile" connect to homes it will indeed be everywhere and anywhere. IF that's the case, you loose all sorts of GPS stuff. I'd hate to see my GPSDO collection wind up sitting next to the Loran C stuff out in the shed. My theory is that the reason that this can't work is complex enough (yes, trivial for us time-nuts and GPS afficionados, but complex for most others) so it looks like could work to a lot of people, and is attractive, so the stock price would get bid up. So, a wise person would do the following: --->>> Wait for them to IPO --->>> Watch the runup in stock price because it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and will bring broadband to the unwashed masses, resulting in world peace, etc. --->>> short the stock or buy a default swap on them going under Lightsquared "discovers" that there is an insurmountable regulatory hurdle L2 says, "bummer, I guess we have to close up shop or redirect our efforts" Stock price crashes -->>> Cash in on the default swap or stock puts or, a more benign one... you could keep quite a crew of folks busy looking at all the ramifications and implications and doing studies for half a dozen years, and then move onto something else after having burned "other people's money" that was invested. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
Hi Based on some *very* rough Google stuff, it looks like you can cover a good chunk of the US with cell towers and only use 100,000 to 200,000 towers. Since they are a 30 watt-ish sort of thing, their RF footprint is likely a lot smaller than a 1.5 KW setup. Even if the power increase "only" doubles the range, that's 4X the area. Their 40,000 sites now are very similar to 160,000 cell phone sites. What are they doing with all those sites? Am I missing something obvious here? I keep coming back to them having a high power terrestrial footprint that looks at least as dense as a Verizon 2009 cell phone coverage map. If that's correct, timing or navigating is going to be difficult for everybody. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of jimlux Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:09 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' On 3/3/11 9:34 AM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > There's obviously major fuel behind this thing. I'm willing to pass up GPS > underground. It's GPS out in the open that is my main concern. IF they are > going to use this for "last mile" connect to homes it will indeed be > everywhere and anywhere. IF that's the case, you loose all sorts of GPS > stuff. > > I'd hate to see my GPSDO collection wind up sitting next to the Loran C > stuff out in the shed. > My theory is that the reason that this can't work is complex enough (yes, trivial for us time-nuts and GPS afficionados, but complex for most others) so it looks like could work to a lot of people, and is attractive, so the stock price would get bid up. So, a wise person would do the following: --->>> Wait for them to IPO --->>> Watch the runup in stock price because it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and will bring broadband to the unwashed masses, resulting in world peace, etc. --->>> short the stock or buy a default swap on them going under Lightsquared "discovers" that there is an insurmountable regulatory hurdle L2 says, "bummer, I guess we have to close up shop or redirect our efforts" Stock price crashes -->>> Cash in on the default swap or stock puts or, a more benign one... you could keep quite a crew of folks busy looking at all the ramifications and implications and doing studies for half a dozen years, and then move onto something else after having burned "other people's money" that was invested. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
As it has been said, if the Federal government can force you to buy health insurance, or pay a fine, it can force you to buy *anything*. This is, however, getting a little too far afield for this group. -Chuck Harris Jim Cotton wrote: The other scenerio is buy stock in the leading GPS makers and assume that they and Lightsquared will lobby effectively and everyone will be forced to buy new GPS units... There is precedent in that, the DTV converter box vouchers... Jim Cotton n8qoh ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
The other scenerio is buy stock in the leading GPS makers and assume that they and Lightsquared will lobby effectively and everyone will be forced to buy new GPS units... There is precedent in that, the DTV converter box vouchers... Jim Cotton n8qoh On 3/3/11 3:09 PM, jimlux wrote: On 3/3/11 9:34 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There's obviously major fuel behind this thing. I'm willing to pass up GPS underground. It's GPS out in the open that is my main concern. IF they are going to use this for "last mile" connect to homes it will indeed be everywhere and anywhere. IF that's the case, you loose all sorts of GPS stuff. I'd hate to see my GPSDO collection wind up sitting next to the Loran C stuff out in the shed. My theory is that the reason that this can't work is complex enough (yes, trivial for us time-nuts and GPS afficionados, but complex for most others) so it looks like could work to a lot of people, and is attractive, so the stock price would get bid up. So, a wise person would do the following: --->>> Wait for them to IPO --->>> Watch the runup in stock price because it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and will bring broadband to the unwashed masses, resulting in world peace, etc. --->>> short the stock or buy a default swap on them going under Lightsquared "discovers" that there is an insurmountable regulatory hurdle L2 says, "bummer, I guess we have to close up shop or redirect our efforts" Stock price crashes -->>> Cash in on the default swap or stock puts or, a more benign one... you could keep quite a crew of folks busy looking at all the ramifications and implications and doing studies for half a dozen years, and then move onto something else after having burned "other people's money" that was invested. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
On 3/3/11 9:34 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There's obviously major fuel behind this thing. I'm willing to pass up GPS underground. It's GPS out in the open that is my main concern. IF they are going to use this for "last mile" connect to homes it will indeed be everywhere and anywhere. IF that's the case, you loose all sorts of GPS stuff. I'd hate to see my GPSDO collection wind up sitting next to the Loran C stuff out in the shed. My theory is that the reason that this can't work is complex enough (yes, trivial for us time-nuts and GPS afficionados, but complex for most others) so it looks like could work to a lot of people, and is attractive, so the stock price would get bid up. So, a wise person would do the following: --->>> Wait for them to IPO --->>> Watch the runup in stock price because it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and will bring broadband to the unwashed masses, resulting in world peace, etc. --->>> short the stock or buy a default swap on them going under Lightsquared "discovers" that there is an insurmountable regulatory hurdle L2 says, "bummer, I guess we have to close up shop or redirect our efforts" Stock price crashes -->>> Cash in on the default swap or stock puts or, a more benign one... you could keep quite a crew of folks busy looking at all the ramifications and implications and doing studies for half a dozen years, and then move onto something else after having burned "other people's money" that was invested. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
Hi Urban canyons do indeed exist and there are a lot of them. As you look for smaller and smaller ones, you obviously find a lot more of them. Other services have the same issue and they can economically justify a few thousand transmitters to cover these holes. These guys are going for > 10X what anybody else does. Either they are covering a lot of very small holes for not a lot of return, or they are doing something else with 90% of the transmitters. My concern about the GPSDO's is real. We could see a loss of the current frequencies for precision time use. An L5 satellite is up there now, it's not going to have the same problem. The yet unmentioned magic plan may be to migrate the world to the new frequency. Selling everybody everywhere in the country brand new GPS stuff is no more crazy than any of the rest of this. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Robert Atkinson Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:49 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' What gets me (I'm an outsider in the UK), is that they seem to have used the excuse of Urban Canyon lack of space based broadband to hi-jack the frequencies for ground use. What's the betting 99% of the traffic is ground based, not space? Even though the Urban Canyonites could of course use fibre-optic broadband. Robert G8RPI --- On Thu, 3/3/11, Bob Camp wrote: From: Bob Camp Subject: Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'" Date: Thursday, 3 March, 2011, 17:10 Hi This stuff is obviously on the fast track to somewhere. There is no practical way to come up with the information needed in the time allowed. There's a train wreck out there in somebody's future. Has anybody seen an actual map of where they plan to deploy all 40,000 these 1.5KW transmitters? I'm sure that at least 2,000 of them will be in tunnels and other RF dark caves. It's the other 38,000 that I'm wondering about. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:27 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' http://www.gpsworld.com/survey/surveying/lightsquared-saga-and-recent-solar- activity-11155?utm_source=GPS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Survey-Scene_03_ 01_2011&utm_content=lightsquared-saga-and-recent-solar-activity-11155 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
What gets me (I'm an outsider in the UK), is that they seem to have used the excuse of Urban Canyon lack of space based broadband to hi-jack the frequencies for ground use. What's the betting 99% of the traffic is ground based, not space? Even though the Urban Canyonites could of course use fibre-optic broadband. Robert G8RPI --- On Thu, 3/3/11, Bob Camp wrote: From: Bob Camp Subject: Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'" Date: Thursday, 3 March, 2011, 17:10 Hi This stuff is obviously on the fast track to somewhere. There is no practical way to come up with the information needed in the time allowed. There's a train wreck out there in somebody's future. Has anybody seen an actual map of where they plan to deploy all 40,000 these 1.5KW transmitters? I'm sure that at least 2,000 of them will be in tunnels and other RF dark caves. It's the other 38,000 that I'm wondering about. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:27 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' http://www.gpsworld.com/survey/surveying/lightsquared-saga-and-recent-solar- activity-11155?utm_source=GPS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Survey-Scene_03_ 01_2011&utm_content=lightsquared-saga-and-recent-solar-activity-11155 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
Forget .. in the nlpc article How Phil Falcone ensured a "suitably flexible FCC" pretty much sums it up 1. visit white house 2. make maximum contributes (you, your wife and your boss) a couple days later 3. get the go ahead from the FCC An just to ensure it is totally bipartisan, make sure you have made the max contributions to the other parthy On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > There's obviously major fuel behind this thing. I'm willing to pass up GPS > underground. It's GPS out in the open that is my main concern. IF they are > going to use this for "last mile" connect to homes it will indeed be > everywhere and anywhere. IF that's the case, you loose all sorts of GPS > stuff. > > I'd hate to see my GPSDO collection wind up sitting next to the Loran C > stuff out in the shed. > > Bob > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Chuck Harris > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:23 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' > > Tunnels wouldn't be such a great thing, as many of them have GPS > transponders > built in so that you can continue tracking as you pass through the tunnel. > > The administration has made it a major priority to bring broadband internet > to everyone's Crackberry It looks like they are going to do it > regardless > of the consequences. > > -Chuck Harris > > Bob Camp wrote: >> Hi >> >> This stuff is obviously on the fast track to somewhere. There is no >> practical way to come up with the information needed in the time allowed. >> There's a train wreck out there in somebody's future. >> >> Has anybody seen an actual map of where they plan to deploy all 40,000 > these >> 1.5KW transmitters? I'm sure that at least 2,000 of them will be in > tunnels >> and other RF dark caves. It's the other 38,000 that I'm wondering about. >> >> Bob >> > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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"Who is Lightsquared ?" http://www.lightsquared.com/about-us/management-team/ Executive Vice President, Regulatory Affairs and Public Policy Jeffrey J. Carlisle >From 2001 to 2005, Jeff served as Deputy Chief and then Chief of the FCC's Wireline Competition Bureau. At the FCC, he managed And who is paying the bills ? http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2011/03/01/will-fccs-political-favor-harbinger-hedge-fund-result-gps-interference LightSquared is owned by the Harbinger Capital hedge fund, headed by billionaire investor Phil Falcone, in photo. Falcone visited the White House and made large donations to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. The part "The Loophole" is pretty classic -pete Sigh ... On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: > Tunnels wouldn't be such a great thing, as many of them have GPS > transponders > built in so that you can continue tracking as you pass through the tunnel. > > The administration has made it a major priority to bring broadband internet > to everyone's Crackberry It looks like they are going to do it > regardless > of the consequences. > > -Chuck Harris > > Bob Camp wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> This stuff is obviously on the fast track to somewhere. There is no >> practical way to come up with the information needed in the time allowed. >> There's a train wreck out there in somebody's future. >> >> Has anybody seen an actual map of where they plan to deploy all 40,000 >> these >> 1.5KW transmitters? I'm sure that at least 2,000 of them will be in >> tunnels >> and other RF dark caves. It's the other 38,000 that I'm wondering about. >> >> Bob >> > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Maybe we should alarm the environmentalists about the 60 MW load being added to the power grid. Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79 > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Bob Camp > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:10 PM > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' > > Hi > > This stuff is obviously on the fast track to somewhere. There is no > practical way to come up with the information needed in the time allowed. > There's a train wreck out there in somebody's future. > > Has anybody seen an actual map of where they plan to deploy all 40,000 these > 1.5KW transmitters? I'm sure that at least 2,000 of them will be in tunnels > and other RF dark caves. It's the other 38,000 that I'm wondering about. > > Bob > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Pete Lancashire > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:27 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' > > http://www.gpsworld.com/survey/surveying/lightsquared-saga-and-recent-solar- > activity-11155?utm_source=GPS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Survey- > Scene_03_ > 01_2011&utm_content=lightsquared-saga-and-recent-solar-activity-11155 > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi There's obviously major fuel behind this thing. I'm willing to pass up GPS underground. It's GPS out in the open that is my main concern. IF they are going to use this for "last mile" connect to homes it will indeed be everywhere and anywhere. IF that's the case, you loose all sorts of GPS stuff. I'd hate to see my GPSDO collection wind up sitting next to the Loran C stuff out in the shed. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Harris Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:23 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' Tunnels wouldn't be such a great thing, as many of them have GPS transponders built in so that you can continue tracking as you pass through the tunnel. The administration has made it a major priority to bring broadband internet to everyone's Crackberry It looks like they are going to do it regardless of the consequences. -Chuck Harris Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > This stuff is obviously on the fast track to somewhere. There is no > practical way to come up with the information needed in the time allowed. > There's a train wreck out there in somebody's future. > > Has anybody seen an actual map of where they plan to deploy all 40,000 these > 1.5KW transmitters? I'm sure that at least 2,000 of them will be in tunnels > and other RF dark caves. It's the other 38,000 that I'm wondering about. > > Bob > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
Tunnels wouldn't be such a great thing, as many of them have GPS transponders built in so that you can continue tracking as you pass through the tunnel. The administration has made it a major priority to bring broadband internet to everyone's Crackberry It looks like they are going to do it regardless of the consequences. -Chuck Harris Bob Camp wrote: Hi This stuff is obviously on the fast track to somewhere. There is no practical way to come up with the information needed in the time allowed. There's a train wreck out there in somebody's future. Has anybody seen an actual map of where they plan to deploy all 40,000 these 1.5KW transmitters? I'm sure that at least 2,000 of them will be in tunnels and other RF dark caves. It's the other 38,000 that I'm wondering about. Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'
Hi This stuff is obviously on the fast track to somewhere. There is no practical way to come up with the information needed in the time allowed. There's a train wreck out there in somebody's future. Has anybody seen an actual map of where they plan to deploy all 40,000 these 1.5KW transmitters? I'm sure that at least 2,000 of them will be in tunnels and other RF dark caves. It's the other 38,000 that I'm wondering about. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:27 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga' http://www.gpsworld.com/survey/surveying/lightsquared-saga-and-recent-solar- activity-11155?utm_source=GPS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Survey-Scene_03_ 01_2011&utm_content=lightsquared-saga-and-recent-solar-activity-11155 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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