Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
If you'll put an arduino in as a controller, Makerrplot is a really nice interface, and really cost effective and easy to use. Can also be used on 'net devices and rs232. Robot Basic will do rs232 and 'net and is free. Don paul swed Have the eval license up and operating with the NI simple LED test. It works. I can easily see how you could use this to create a nice GUI for some sort of control project. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 6/21/15 11:28 AM, Don Latham wrote: Just for fun, went to the site. $149 for basic, but by the time I added all the toolboxes I thought (!) I needed, I was over $750. sigh. Don Hence the popularity of the student license (or Octave) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Noli sinere nothos te opprimere Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLC 17850 Six Mile Road Huson, MT, 59846 mail: POBox 404 Frenchtown MT 59834-0404 VOX 406-626-4304 CEL 406-241-5093 Skype: buffler2 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
Have the eval license up and operating with the NI simple LED test. It works. I can easily see how you could use this to create a nice GUI for some sort of control project. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 6/21/15 11:28 AM, Don Latham wrote: Just for fun, went to the site. $149 for basic, but by the time I added all the toolboxes I thought (!) I needed, I was over $750. sigh. Don Hence the popularity of the student license (or Octave) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
From: Jim Lux [] Mathworks still does a variety of low cost licenses, including a $149 for Matlab home license + $45 for add on products. (not for academic, commercial, govt, or organizational use) They also have a $49/$99 student license in conjunction with coursework at a degree granting institution. I suppose that you could sign up for a class at the local community college.(that's gone up a lot with a bunch of added fees around here) The new matlab has drivers/simulink blocks to handle a lot of hobby type hardware platforms (RPi, Arduino, LEGO Mindstorms NXT) [] Matlb is free and included with the Raspbian OS for the Raspberry Pi. http://uk.mathworks.com/help/supportpkg/raspberrypiio/examples/getting-started-with-matlab-support-package-for-raspberry-pi-hardware.html http://uk.mathworks.com/help/supportpkg/raspberrypi/examples/getting-started-with-raspberry-pi-hardware.html Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
Thanks for that update. I hadn't looked on the Mathworks website in quite some time. I looked again after seeing your post, and I see that a home bundle is once again available. This is what I have from 1999. I have also used Octave, although not as much as I have used MatLab and Simulink. DaveD On 6/20/2015 7:18 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 6/20/15 3:03 PM, Dave Daniel wrote: I wish the MathWorks would resume that practice. Back in the late 90s they would sell one licenses for MatLab and SimuLink for an affordable price if one singed an agreement that restricted one to personal (specifically, non-commercial) use. My copy from back then is so old that it won't run on Windows 7. Mathworks still does a variety of low cost licenses, including a $149 for Matlab home license + $45 for add on products. (not for academic, commercial, govt, or organizational use) They also have a $49/$99 student license in conjunction with coursework at a degree granting institution. I suppose that you could sign up for a class at the local community college.(that's gone up a lot with a bunch of added fees around here) The new matlab has drivers/simulink blocks to handle a lot of hobby type hardware platforms (RPi, Arduino, LEGO Mindstorms NXT) One can also use Octave, which is very, very similar to Matlab (I go back and forth between the two all the time). Octave doesn't necessarily have all the nice toolboxes that Matlab has. And, the plotting is done differently (which is a significant issue, since a lot of what I use matlab and octave for is generating nice looking plots). ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
You don't have to wait for the software to arrive if you don't mind downloading it. The software you download is the same as the software National Instruments (NI) ships to their customers. Without a serial number the software runs for 45 days. When you activate the software, using your serial number, the software contacts NI's server which then activates whatever features you've purchased. It is true that LabVIEW programs, in general, run on Mac, Windows, and Linux without any changes. Some features are Windows only because they depend on Windows libraries, ActiveX for example. Linux is not as well supported as Windows and Mac. It only runs on certain distributions with an old 2.?? kernel. Brent On 6/20/2015 6:48 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Dave: When I was working with LV you could run the program on a Mac, Windows or Unix without any changes. It's my understanding that's still true. Note the instruments that accept SCPI commands are pretty much interchangeable. It's the R2D2 commands that are model number specific. The software is coming via Fedex ground from Washington state so should be here in a few days, more then. Mail_Attachment -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
I downloaded both the software and drivers. About 2GB in total. Install was typical two restarts required and the eval copy is 7 days not 45. but you can get a eval license extension. It seems for each package so you have to re-step through the process multiple times. The NI explorer will look for gpib devices not that I have any on this particular machine. It did find my rs232 to ethernet device and showed all 17 ports available. So thats pretty interesting. Now I actually need to dig a bit to understand, How arduinos fit in How older gpib devices might be accessed. I have sopme smart controllers that emulate a GPIB sender and basically translate commands to and from the old devices. Essentially ascii strings both ways. It seems if you had the NI VXI bus box and I have seen them at fleas ocasionally that would be a useful answer. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Dave Daniel kc0...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that update. I hadn't looked on the Mathworks website in quite some time. I looked again after seeing your post, and I see that a home bundle is once again available. This is what I have from 1999. I have also used Octave, although not as much as I have used MatLab and Simulink. DaveD On 6/20/2015 7:18 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 6/20/15 3:03 PM, Dave Daniel wrote: I wish the MathWorks would resume that practice. Back in the late 90s they would sell one licenses for MatLab and SimuLink for an affordable price if one singed an agreement that restricted one to personal (specifically, non-commercial) use. My copy from back then is so old that it won't run on Windows 7. Mathworks still does a variety of low cost licenses, including a $149 for Matlab home license + $45 for add on products. (not for academic, commercial, govt, or organizational use) They also have a $49/$99 student license in conjunction with coursework at a degree granting institution. I suppose that you could sign up for a class at the local community college.(that's gone up a lot with a bunch of added fees around here) The new matlab has drivers/simulink blocks to handle a lot of hobby type hardware platforms (RPi, Arduino, LEGO Mindstorms NXT) One can also use Octave, which is very, very similar to Matlab (I go back and forth between the two all the time). Octave doesn't necessarily have all the nice toolboxes that Matlab has. And, the plotting is done differently (which is a significant issue, since a lot of what I use matlab and octave for is generating nice looking plots). ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
On 6/21/15 11:28 AM, Don Latham wrote: Just for fun, went to the site. $149 for basic, but by the time I added all the toolboxes I thought (!) I needed, I was over $750. sigh. Don Hence the popularity of the student license (or Octave) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
Just for fun, went to the site. $149 for basic, but by the time I added all the toolboxes I thought (!) I needed, I was over $750. sigh. Don David J Taylor From: Jim Lux [] Mathworks still does a variety of low cost licenses, including a $149 for Matlab home license + $45 for add on products. (not for academic, commercial, govt, or organizational use) They also have a $49/$99 student license in conjunction with coursework at a degree granting institution. I suppose that you could sign up for a class at the local community college.(that's gone up a lot with a bunch of added fees around here) The new matlab has drivers/simulink blocks to handle a lot of hobby type hardware platforms (RPi, Arduino, LEGO Mindstorms NXT) [] Matlb is free and included with the Raspbian OS for the Raspberry Pi. http://uk.mathworks.com/help/supportpkg/raspberrypiio/examples/getting-started-with-matlab-support-package-for-raspberry-pi-hardware.html http://uk.mathworks.com/help/supportpkg/raspberrypi/examples/getting-started-with-raspberry-pi-hardware.html Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Noli sinere nothos te opprimere Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLC 17850 Six Mile Road Huson, MT, 59846 mail: POBox 404 Frenchtown MT 59834-0404 VOX 406-626-4304 CEL 406-241-5093 Skype: buffler2 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
Hi It is interesting as you go through the various student and home versions, just how hard it is to figure out what you are (and are not) buying in each case. One example would be the inclusion (or not) of GPIB capability. One would *assume* it’s in there and fully functional. At lest for me it’s a “must have” item on the check list. If anybody comes across a deep dive on what is / is not in each package, I’d certainly like to see it. Bob On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote: National Instruments (and may other vendors of software) has apparently cottoned on to the fact that if they don't start catering to the Maker market (I hate that term) that they will get left behind. In that spirit they have released a non-commercial licence of labview. you can learn more about it here: https://www.labviewmakerhub.com/ I mention it on this list since many of us would like to use labview in our home labs but haven't been willing to shell out for the exorbitant price. I'm currently using one of the spare licences from work to to labview stuff at home, but i'd be willing to shell out the $49 to see what it got me. I'm sending this out in the spirit of information, I'd rather not have this devolve into the labview sucks sort of discussion that often comes up with it's mention. I haven't explored it much, but wanted to send it out. -- --Eric _ Eric Garner ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
Interesting in your take on it if you check it out. Please report back your findings. Brent On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote: National Instruments (and may other vendors of software) has apparently cottoned on to the fact that if they don't start catering to the Maker market (I hate that term) that they will get left behind. In that spirit they have released a non-commercial licence of labview. you can learn more about it here: https://www.labviewmakerhub.com/ I mention it on this list since many of us would like to use labview in our home labs but haven't been willing to shell out for the exorbitant price. I'm currently using one of the spare licences from work to to labview stuff at home, but i'd be willing to shell out the $49 to see what it got me. I'm sending this out in the spirit of information, I'd rather not have this devolve into the labview sucks sort of discussion that often comes up with it's mention. I haven't explored it much, but wanted to send it out. -- --Eric _ Eric Garner ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
They provide an evaluation version that lasts for 45 days, and if you like it you can buy the 'LabView Home Bundle' for $49. Apparently the home version is Windows-only, which I sadly didn't realise till after a 1.4GB download. I can't complain too much, though, given the price and the feature set of LabView. I might see if I can commandeer another laptop just to use with it. On 21 June 2015 at 01:26, brent evers brent.ev...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting in your take on it if you check it out. Please report back your findings. Brent On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote: National Instruments (and may other vendors of software) has apparently cottoned on to the fact that if they don't start catering to the Maker market (I hate that term) that they will get left behind. In that spirit they have released a non-commercial licence of labview. you can learn more about it here: https://www.labviewmakerhub.com/ I mention it on this list since many of us would like to use labview in our home labs but haven't been willing to shell out for the exorbitant price. I'm currently using one of the spare licences from work to to labview stuff at home, but i'd be willing to shell out the $49 to see what it got me. I'm sending this out in the spirit of information, I'd rather not have this devolve into the labview sucks sort of discussion that often comes up with it's mention. I haven't explored it much, but wanted to send it out. -- --Eric _ Eric Garner ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
On 20 June 2015 at 04:18, Bob kb8tq kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi It is interesting as you go through the various student and home versions, just how hard it is to figure out what you are (and are not) buying in each case. One example would be the inclusion (or not) of GPIB capability. One would *assume* it’s in there and fully functional. At lest for me it’s a “must have” item on the check list. If anybody comes across a deep dive on what is / is not in each package, I’d certainly like to see it. Be aware, a lot of older kit is not supported in Labview with the instrument drivers. I was thinking of buying a copy, and had a labview rep come around here. I'd sent him in advance of equipment I had that I was interested in collecting data from. He had nothing that could talk to my HP 7 series spectrum analyzer. He had a driver written for an 8753 VNA which was expected to work on an 8720D, but had never been tested. Needless to say, it could not talk to my 8720D. Just about anything GPIB in my lab, with the exception of the Agilent power supplies, they had no instrument drivers for, as it was all too old. A quick check on time-interval counters, I found there's nothing for the HP 5370B, although there is the Stanford Research SR620. (At the the the NI guy came, I never had the SR620). So if its a hobby, chances are you have older equipment, and support is probably lacking. Of course you can write your own drivers, but it takes away a lot of the convenience of Labview. Somewhat related, there is a GPIB plugin for Octave (open-source MATLAB clone). I have never used it myself, but might be another cheap (free) way to get test equipment in a GUI environment. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
Here's the National Instruments web page about the Maker (I also hate that term) version. http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/213095 It is the same as the $2999 Full version http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/212666 with the addition of the $2119 Control and Simulation Module and the $520 MathScript RT module. Other than the licensing terms, the only real difference is that it puts a watermark on the front panel and block diagram of every VI. Every version of LabVIEW supports GPIB, you just have to download the driver disk. Even though I've got the Full Developer suite, I'll probably buy this version just to play with Control and Simulation Module. It's not really clear from the labviewmakerhub.com site or the ni.com site that you download LabVIEW from either of those two sites but pay for a license key at https://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,1301,1450Prod=LABVIEW-HE Brent Gordon Certified LabVIEW Developer On 6/19/2015 9:18 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi It is interesting as you go through the various student and home versions, just how hard it is to figure out what you are (and are not) buying in each case. One example would be the inclusion (or not) of GPIB capability. One would *assume* it’s in there and fully functional. At lest for me it’s a “must have” item on the check list. If anybody comes across a deep dive on what is / is not in each package, I’d certainly like to see it. Bob On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote: National Instruments (and may other vendors of software) has apparently cottoned on to the fact that if they don't start catering to the Maker market (I hate that term) that they will get left behind. In that spirit they have released a non-commercial licence of labview. you can learn more about it here: https://www.labviewmakerhub.com/ I mention it on this list since many of us would like to use labview in our home labs but haven't been willing to shell out for the exorbitant price. I'm currently using one of the spare licences from work to to labview stuff at home, but i'd be willing to shell out the $49 to see what it got me. I'm sending this out in the spirit of information, I'd rather not have this devolve into the labview sucks sort of discussion that often comes up with it's mention. I haven't explored it much, but wanted to send it out. -- --Eric _ Eric Garner ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
Hi Bob: That's exactly the question I had yesterday. I was a certified LabView programmer and yesterday was thinking about having a local computer store making me a WIN 3.1 computer so I could run my old LV code and write some new code. I may still do that, but for now I have the $50 LV Home Bundle on order. Yes IEEE-488 is supported. For details and links see: http://www.prc68.com/I/LabVIEW.html PS the student bundle is about $30. Mail_Attachment -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html http://www.prc68.com/I/DietNutrition.html Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi It is interesting as you go through the various student and home versions, just how hard it is to figure out what you are (and are not) buying in each case. One example would be the inclusion (or not) of GPIB capability. One would *assume* it’s in there and fully functional. At lest for me it’s a “must have” item on the check list. If anybody comes across a deep dive on what is / is not in each package, I’d certainly like to see it. Bob On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote: National Instruments (and may other vendors of software) has apparently cottoned on to the fact that if they don't start catering to the Maker market (I hate that term) that they will get left behind. In that spirit they have released a non-commercial licence of labview. you can learn more about it here: https://www.labviewmakerhub.com/ I mention it on this list since many of us would like to use labview in our home labs but haven't been willing to shell out for the exorbitant price. I'm currently using one of the spare licences from work to to labview stuff at home, but i'd be willing to shell out the $49 to see what it got me. I'm sending this out in the spirit of information, I'd rather not have this devolve into the labview sucks sort of discussion that often comes up with it's mention. I haven't explored it much, but wanted to send it out. -- --Eric _ Eric Garner ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
Hi Dave: When I was working with LV you could run the program on a Mac, Windows or Unix without any changes. It's my understanding that's still true. Note the instruments that accept SCPI commands are pretty much interchangeable. It's the R2D2 commands that are model number specific. The software is coming via Fedex ground from Washington state so should be here in a few days, more then. Mail_Attachment -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html http://www.prc68.com/I/DietNutrition.html Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: On 20 June 2015 at 04:18, Bob kb8tq kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi It is interesting as you go through the various student and home versions, just how hard it is to figure out what you are (and are not) buying in each case. One example would be the inclusion (or not) of GPIB capability. One would *assume* it’s in there and fully functional. At lest for me it’s a “must have” item on the check list. If anybody comes across a deep dive on what is / is not in each package, I’d certainly like to see it. Be aware, a lot of older kit is not supported in Labview with the instrument drivers. I was thinking of buying a copy, and had a labview rep come around here. I'd sent him in advance of equipment I had that I was interested in collecting data from. He had nothing that could talk to my HP 7 series spectrum analyzer. He had a driver written for an 8753 VNA which was expected to work on an 8720D, but had never been tested. Needless to say, it could not talk to my 8720D. Just about anything GPIB in my lab, with the exception of the Agilent power supplies, they had no instrument drivers for, as it was all too old. A quick check on time-interval counters, I found there's nothing for the HP 5370B, although there is the Stanford Research SR620. (At the the the NI guy came, I never had the SR620). So if its a hobby, chances are you have older equipment, and support is probably lacking. Of course you can write your own drivers, but it takes away a lot of the convenience of Labview. Somewhat related, there is a GPIB plugin for Octave (open-source MATLAB clone). I have never used it myself, but might be another cheap (free) way to get test equipment in a GUI environment. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
Hi It’s almost enough to get one to sign up for a course at the local college every decade or so, just to be able to legitimately get student copies of some of this stuff. === That said, a lot of these companies do quite a bit to support education. I’ve seen them toss out a *lot* of licenses for student training. That goes both at the university level and at the high school level. I would be very careful of any actions that might impact those efforts. Yes they expect that the kids will be ecstatic about their product and take it on to what ever job they get. At least the ones I’ve worked with are no happier about how some of this stuff works than any of the rest of us ….(….. and no, I’m not talking specifically about any of the programs that we’ve discussed so far ….). The kids *do* learn a lot in the process and that is well worth it. == Given that a lot of this time stuff is fairly code intensive. It would be very nice if something like the NI suite worked well enough for us to build up an inventory of libraries. There are a lot of people writing and re-writing the same stuff over and over again. Having a common platform that we all could use would be neat. Now to get them to extend the home bundle to OS-X and Linux …. Bob On Jun 20, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Dave Daniel kc0...@gmail.com wrote: I wish the MathWorks would resume that practice. Back in the late 90s they would sell one licenses for MatLab and SimuLink for an affordable price if one singed an agreement that restricted one to personal (specifically, non-commercial) use. My copy from back then is so old that it won't run on Windows 7. DaveD On 6/19/2015 9:18 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi It is interesting as you go through the various student and home versions, just how hard it is to figure out what you are (and are not) buying in each case. One example would be the inclusion (or not) of GPIB capability. One would *assume* it’s in there and fully functional. At lest for me it’s a “must have” item on the check list. If anybody comes across a deep dive on what is / is not in each package, I’d certainly like to see it. Bob On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote: National Instruments (and may other vendors of software) has apparently cottoned on to the fact that if they don't start catering to the Maker market (I hate that term) that they will get left behind. In that spirit they have released a non-commercial licence of labview. you can learn more about it here: https://www.labviewmakerhub.com/ I mention it on this list since many of us would like to use labview in our home labs but haven't been willing to shell out for the exorbitant price. I'm currently using one of the spare licences from work to to labview stuff at home, but i'd be willing to shell out the $49 to see what it got me. I'm sending this out in the spirit of information, I'd rather not have this devolve into the labview sucks sort of discussion that often comes up with it's mention. I haven't explored it much, but wanted to send it out. -- --Eric _ Eric Garner ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
Well this looks interesting. You can download what appears to be the same bundle for a free 45 day trial. Doing that at the moment. Then there is the NI-Visa download and it has gpib. Not sure what much of this means in reality. What drivers do they have to get to the old clasical fat GPIB used on a hp5370 as an example. I have messed with labview a few times and always seem to get tangled in old operating systems and ISA cards and such. I do have the ethernet GPIB controllers they had made but they stopped supporting those 10 years ago. Note. The FAQ suggests running the 32 bit version even on a 64 bit machine as many drivers are only 32 bits Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi Bob: That's exactly the question I had yesterday. I was a certified LabView programmer and yesterday was thinking about having a local computer store making me a WIN 3.1 computer so I could run my old LV code and write some new code. I may still do that, but for now I have the $50 LV Home Bundle on order. Yes IEEE-488 is supported. For details and links see: http://www.prc68.com/I/LabVIEW.html PS the student bundle is about $30. Mail_Attachment -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html http://www.prc68.com/I/DietNutrition.html Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi It is interesting as you go through the various student and home versions, just how hard it is to figure out what you are (and are not) buying in each case. One example would be the inclusion (or not) of GPIB capability. One would *assume* it’s in there and fully functional. At lest for me it’s a “must have” item on the check list. If anybody comes across a deep dive on what is / is not in each package, I’d certainly like to see it. Bob On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote: National Instruments (and may other vendors of software) has apparently cottoned on to the fact that if they don't start catering to the Maker market (I hate that term) that they will get left behind. In that spirit they have released a non-commercial licence of labview. you can learn more about it here: https://www.labviewmakerhub.com/ I mention it on this list since many of us would like to use labview in our home labs but haven't been willing to shell out for the exorbitant price. I'm currently using one of the spare licences from work to to labview stuff at home, but i'd be willing to shell out the $49 to see what it got me. I'm sending this out in the spirit of information, I'd rather not have this devolve into the labview sucks sort of discussion that often comes up with it's mention. I haven't explored it much, but wanted to send it out. -- --Eric _ Eric Garner ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
On 6/20/15 3:03 PM, Dave Daniel wrote: I wish the MathWorks would resume that practice. Back in the late 90s they would sell one licenses for MatLab and SimuLink for an affordable price if one singed an agreement that restricted one to personal (specifically, non-commercial) use. My copy from back then is so old that it won't run on Windows 7. Mathworks still does a variety of low cost licenses, including a $149 for Matlab home license + $45 for add on products. (not for academic, commercial, govt, or organizational use) They also have a $49/$99 student license in conjunction with coursework at a degree granting institution. I suppose that you could sign up for a class at the local community college.(that's gone up a lot with a bunch of added fees around here) The new matlab has drivers/simulink blocks to handle a lot of hobby type hardware platforms (RPi, Arduino, LEGO Mindstorms NXT) One can also use Octave, which is very, very similar to Matlab (I go back and forth between the two all the time). Octave doesn't necessarily have all the nice toolboxes that Matlab has. And, the plotting is done differently (which is a significant issue, since a lot of what I use matlab and octave for is generating nice looking plots). ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview
National Instruments (and may other vendors of software) has apparently cottoned on to the fact that if they don't start catering to the Maker market (I hate that term) that they will get left behind. In that spirit they have released a non-commercial licence of labview. you can learn more about it here: https://www.labviewmakerhub.com/ I mention it on this list since many of us would like to use labview in our home labs but haven't been willing to shell out for the exorbitant price. I'm currently using one of the spare licences from work to to labview stuff at home, but i'd be willing to shell out the $49 to see what it got me. I'm sending this out in the spirit of information, I'd rather not have this devolve into the labview sucks sort of discussion that often comes up with it's mention. I haven't explored it much, but wanted to send it out. -- --Eric _ Eric Garner ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
