RE: [time-nuts] Phase Comparator

2005-12-08 Thread Richard \(Rick\) Karlquist \(N6RK\)
> It specifically 
> addresses the gain/bandwidth zerocrossing detector issues.
> Peter ZL2AYX

Also see John Dick's 1990 PTTI paper on JPL zero crossing detectors.
Excellent.

Rick Karlquist

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Re: [time-nuts] Phase Comparator

2005-12-08 Thread Jeroen Bastemeijer

Dear Peter,

I checked the article. It looks nice and simple, however on a second 
look it shows a number of design flaws The claimed temperature 
stability is more a sort of assumption: In the text (not the abstract) 
it is stated as:
"The measured temp.sensitivity is about 1ps/K for small temperature 
changes around the 23 degrees C average temperature."
The claim of the temp.sensitivity is more or less based on an 
assumption. It is not defined how "big" a "small temperature change is". 
From this vague assumption it is extrapolated that the sensitivity is 1 
ps/K doesn't look like a scientific claim to me. This value is not 
measured or verified by measurements, at least it is not presented in 
the paper.
Furthermore the system uses standard non-paired 2N3904 transistors for 
the comparator, and even worse, they are used at different bias-currents 
which means different temperature coeefficients. So the switching point 
WILL change with temperature... When using these transistors, they 
should be used at fairly high collector-currents 40-50 mA for a fast and 
"fairly" stable temperature response. The output stage is not optimized 
for that, the collector-current, hence switching speed depend on the 
circuits output load. Other design-flaws:
* The supply voltages for certain parts are stabilized bij 5.1 Volt 
zeners.

* The schmitt-trigger used is not very stable for temperature
With other words, a nice design, when placed in a climate chamber. But 
the claim for the temperature stability is way too high.


Jeroen PE1RGE

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You might look at: 
 

G. Brida 
High resolution frequency stability measurement system 
Review of Scientific Instruments, Vol. 73, no. 5, pp. 2171-2174, 
2002.
This article reports on the frequency stability measurement system 
based upon the dual-mixer time-difference scheme working at 10 MHz 
with 1 Hx beat note. The principle of the system is reviewed, the 
design approach is described, and the experimental results are 
presented. The measurement system shows a stability of 5.6ยท10-14/t 
(Allan deviation) and a temperature sensitivity of some picoseconds 
per Kelvin. An approach to reduce crosstalk problems has been 
tested.
   

Sorry,I don't have an electronic copy at the moment.It specifically 
addresses the gain/bandwidth zerocrossing detector issues.

Peter ZL2AYX



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