Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-18 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann

Am 18.11.2014 um 04:02 schrieb paul swed:

Wow they are turning to gold right before our eyes.
Regards
Paul.
WB8TSL


Price is down to $150 again. And I've just ordered mine :-)

Maybe I should have taken another one, then I could do a four-cornered hat.

regards, Gerhard, dk4xp





On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Frederick Bray fwb...@mminternet.com
wrote:


Looks like the price has now gone back up to $200.  It will be interesting
to watch to see how many sell at that price and whether they go back on
sale.  At this point, 55 are reported sold with more than 10 available.

In terms of quantity available, the old/original shipping label on mine
(which arrived last week) indicated that it was 32 of 135 in the original
shipment.  This may or may not have any significance in terms of the total
number the seller may have available.

Fred

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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

I suppose that if they are on “$50 off SALE”  at $150, you need to list them at 
$200 for some period of time. 

Regardless of the why - yes, get them now. That’s a very good price for all you 
are getting. 

Bob

 On Nov 18, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Gerhard Hoffmann dk...@arcor.de wrote:
 
 Am 18.11.2014 um 04:02 schrieb paul swed:
 Wow they are turning to gold right before our eyes.
 Regards
 Paul.
 WB8TSL
 
 Price is down to $150 again. And I've just ordered mine :-)
 
 Maybe I should have taken another one, then I could do a four-cornered hat.
 
 regards, Gerhard, dk4xp
 
 
 
 
 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Frederick Bray fwb...@mminternet.com
 wrote:
 
 Looks like the price has now gone back up to $200.  It will be interesting
 to watch to see how many sell at that price and whether they go back on
 sale.  At this point, 55 are reported sold with more than 10 available.
 
 In terms of quantity available, the old/original shipping label on mine
 (which arrived last week) indicated that it was 32 of 135 in the original
 shipment.  This may or may not have any significance in terms of the total
 number the seller may have available.
 
 Fred
 
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-18 Thread F. W. Bray
Yes, a lot of consumer protection laws forbid advertising a sale price unless 
there is an actual reduction.  Some require that the original price quoted be 
the actual price within a defined period, e.g. within the last 90 days.  eBay 
may also have it's own rules.

In the case of this item, I assume that most people on the list aren't deciding 
whether to buy based on the word sale!

Fred

On Nov 18, 2014, at 3:38 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote:

 Hi
 
 I suppose that if they are on “$50 off SALE”  at $150, you need to list them 
 at $200 for some period of time. 
 
 Regardless of the why - yes, get them now. That’s a very good price for all 
 you are getting. 
 
 Bob
 
 On Nov 18, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Gerhard Hoffmann dk...@arcor.de wrote:
 
 Am 18.11.2014 um 04:02 schrieb paul swed:
 Wow they are turning to gold right before our eyes.
 Regards
 Paul.
 WB8TSL
 
 Price is down to $150 again. And I've just ordered mine :-)
 
 Maybe I should have taken another one, then I could do a four-cornered hat.
 
 regards, Gerhard, dk4xp
 
 
 
 
 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Frederick Bray fwb...@mminternet.com
 wrote:
 
 Looks like the price has now gone back up to $200.  It will be interesting
 to watch to see how many sell at that price and whether they go back on
 sale.  At this point, 55 are reported sold with more than 10 available.
 
 In terms of quantity available, the old/original shipping label on mine
 (which arrived last week) indicated that it was 32 of 135 in the original
 shipment.  This may or may not have any significance in terms of the total
 number the seller may have available.
 
 Fred
 
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

Since the main source of these appears to be the one guy, I’d bet the split 
units that show up are from people doing buy and re-sell from him. One 
alternative to paying eBay premiums for that sort of service would be some sort 
of co-op buy from people on the list. I have absolutely no idea of how to 
organize such a thing. I am *not* in any way volunteering to do it. What I’m 
suggesting is that the the REF-0 is worth less than the REF-1. I suspect that 
the “I’d buy it for the OCXO” guys might split up sets with the “I just want 
the GPS” guys. The obvious issue in all that is multiple shipping fees.

Bob

 On Nov 18, 2014, at 6:53 PM, F. W. Bray fwb...@mminternet.com wrote:
 
 Yes, a lot of consumer protection laws forbid advertising a sale price 
 unless there is an actual reduction.  Some require that the original price 
 quoted be the actual price within a defined period, e.g. within the last 90 
 days.  eBay may also have it's own rules.
 
 In the case of this item, I assume that most people on the list aren't 
 deciding whether to buy based on the word sale!
 
 Fred
 
 On Nov 18, 2014, at 3:38 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 I suppose that if they are on “$50 off SALE”  at $150, you need to list them 
 at $200 for some period of time. 
 
 Regardless of the why - yes, get them now. That’s a very good price for all 
 you are getting. 
 
 Bob
 
 On Nov 18, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Gerhard Hoffmann dk...@arcor.de wrote:
 
 Am 18.11.2014 um 04:02 schrieb paul swed:
 Wow they are turning to gold right before our eyes.
 Regards
 Paul.
 WB8TSL
 
 Price is down to $150 again. And I've just ordered mine :-)
 
 Maybe I should have taken another one, then I could do a four-cornered hat.
 
 regards, Gerhard, dk4xp
 
 
 
 
 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Frederick Bray fwb...@mminternet.com
 wrote:
 
 Looks like the price has now gone back up to $200.  It will be interesting
 to watch to see how many sell at that price and whether they go back on
 sale.  At this point, 55 are reported sold with more than 10 available.
 
 In terms of quantity available, the old/original shipping label on mine
 (which arrived last week) indicated that it was 32 of 135 in the original
 shipment.  This may or may not have any significance in terms of the total
 number the seller may have available.
 
 Fred
 
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread Richard Solomon

Can you send me the link to this site ?

Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ


On 11/17/2014 7:00 AM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

At least today, it looks like the auction listing is still up and going. He 
shows 44 sold and more than 10 available. Price for a pair is the same $150 as 
it was last week. They do seem to be selling at a faster rate than two weeks 
ago. If indeed you want another one, I’d say it’s worth at least counting the 
pennies in the piggy bank to see if you can afford it. I’m not quite sure it’s 
to the “order in the next 10 minutes” point.

At some point these will be gone.

Bob


On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:34 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:

Was thinking about another.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

The auction is going on at the usual site. The item number is 321560316836. A 
text search on the site for “Lucent GPSDO” turns it and any similar listings up 
pretty quickly. A search for KS-24361 will turn it up and probably is a good 
idea to find other sellers that might have the same thing. 

Bob



On Nov 17, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Richard Solomon w1...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 
 Can you send me the link to this site ?
 
 Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ
 
 
 On 11/17/2014 7:00 AM, Bob Camp wrote:
 Hi
 
 At least today, it looks like the auction listing is still up and going. He 
 shows 44 sold and more than 10 available. Price for a pair is the same $150 
 as it was last week. They do seem to be selling at a faster rate than two 
 weeks ago. If indeed you want another one, I’d say it’s worth at least 
 counting the pennies in the piggy bank to see if you can afford it. I’m not 
 quite sure it’s to the “order in the next 10 minutes” point.
 
 At some point these will be gone.
 
 Bob
 
 On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:34 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Was thinking about another.
 Regards
 Paul
 WB8TSL
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

For what ever reason, the one seller no longer is listing the GPS only units. 
My guess:

These were spares sitting in some depot in Atlanta for 15 years. Maybe 15 of 
the Ref-0’s died in the field and got replaced over the 15 years. Only 3 of the 
Ref-1’s died. Thus they had more Ref 1’s in the depot. That seems odd. A better 
guess is that when a REF-1 died, it looked like both units were defective and 
the pair got swapped. Either way the surplus lot had a few extra Ref 1’s in it. 

I don’t think the people selling these know much about them and how the two 
boxes do or do not work together. They are just boxes in the front door that 
they need to push out the back door. No more un-matched pairs, no more Ref-0’s 
for sale.

No, it’s not the way any of us would do it. We understand a lot more about the 
relative value of the two boxes. That said, it’s still a good deal at $150 for 
the pair. I’m pretty sure at this point that getting the Ref-0 running as a 
standalone GPSDO running a modern GPS module is *way* cheaper (and less work) 
than any of the home built GPSDO projects. I’m quite sure that the enhanced 
Ref-0 would work as well as and likely better than the Ref-1 does. It also 
would have a handy 10 MHz output if you didn’t want to modify the 15 MHz 
output. 

Bob

 On Nov 17, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Bert Kehren via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com 
 wrote:
 
 But if you bought only the -1 unit and it is defective they will not  
 replace only refund!
 
 
 In a message dated 11/17/2014 9:01:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 kb...@n1k.org writes:
 
 Hi
 
 At least today, it looks like the auction listing is  still up and going. 
 He shows 44 sold and more than 10 available. Price for a  pair is the same 
 $150 as it was last week. They do seem to be selling at a  faster rate than 
 two weeks ago. If indeed you want another one, I’d say it’s  worth at least 
 counting the pennies in the piggy bank to see if you can afford  it. I’m not 
 quite sure it’s to the “order in the next 10 minutes” point.  
 
 At some point these will be gone. 
 
 Bob
 
 On Nov 14,  2014, at 2:34 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Was thinking about another.
 Regards
 Paul
 WB8TSL
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread paul swed
dick
Here is the $150 pair

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LUCENT-SYMMETRICOM-Z3810AS-KS24361-L101-L102-HP-KIO-OEM-GPSDO-TIMING-SYSTEM-/321560316836?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4ade7d0ba4

Watch out there are several people selling the ref 0 for less. These do
noit have the gps module.

Regards
Paul
WB8TSL



On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Richard Solomon w1...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 Can you send me the link to this site ?

 Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ



 On 11/17/2014 7:00 AM, Bob Camp wrote:

 Hi

 At least today, it looks like the auction listing is still up and going.
 He shows 44 sold and more than 10 available. Price for a pair is the same
 $150 as it was last week. They do seem to be selling at a faster rate than
 two weeks ago. If indeed you want another one, I’d say it’s worth at least
 counting the pennies in the piggy bank to see if you can afford it. I’m not
 quite sure it’s to the “order in the next 10 minutes” point.

 At some point these will be gone.

 Bob

  On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:34 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Was thinking about another.
 Regards
 Paul
 WB8TSL
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

Some quick ways to spot the one with the GPS:

It has a big fat silver colored TNC connector on the left side of the front 
panel. The one without the GPS has a gold SMA. The one with the GPS is labeled 
REF-1 in the upper right corner. The one without the GPS is labeled REF-0 in 
the upper right corner. 

It would not surprise me much (it’s an auction site ….) to find listings 
popping up talking about the GPS unit and actually showing / selling the one 
without the GPS. That has not happened yet (that I’ve seen). It could be coming 
as other sellers (Bob’s GPSDO’s of Bulgaria) pop up with listings. 

Bob

 On Nov 17, 2014, at 10:30 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 dick
 Here is the $150 pair
 
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/LUCENT-SYMMETRICOM-Z3810AS-KS24361-L101-L102-HP-KIO-OEM-GPSDO-TIMING-SYSTEM-/321560316836?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4ade7d0ba4
 
 Watch out there are several people selling the ref 0 for less. These do
 noit have the gps module.
 
 Regards
 Paul
 WB8TSL
 
 
 
 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Richard Solomon w1...@earthlink.net
 wrote:
 
 Can you send me the link to this site ?
 
 Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ
 
 
 
 On 11/17/2014 7:00 AM, Bob Camp wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 At least today, it looks like the auction listing is still up and going.
 He shows 44 sold and more than 10 available. Price for a pair is the same
 $150 as it was last week. They do seem to be selling at a faster rate than
 two weeks ago. If indeed you want another one, I’d say it’s worth at least
 counting the pennies in the piggy bank to see if you can afford it. I’m not
 quite sure it’s to the “order in the next 10 minutes” point.
 
 At some point these will be gone.
 
 Bob
 
 On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:34 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Was thinking about another.
 Regards
 Paul
 WB8TSL
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread Timestep
From:  Dave Cawley
Dartmouth  United Kingdom


If you manipulate the buy number he as 19 left.

I bought then just for the oven oscillators !

Dave
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)

 If you manipulate the buy number he as 19 left.

If you manipulate the number all you know is that there are 19 left in the 
current eBay lot.

If you talk to the seller you'll find he has hundred(s) and perhaps the eBay 
stock quantity is updated as needed.

To test this, please record the buy number each day for the next month. If 
you see a nice sawtooth then my theory is correct. If you then apply a sawtooth 
correction to your raw data, you'll get a clean, smooth record of total units 
and units/day sold. Meta time  frequency...

/tvb
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread paul swed
Lost me Dave.
How do you manipulate the buy number?
Also make sure its not just the oscillator, though in yourcase you have
what you need for $75
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

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 From:  Dave Cawley
 Dartmouth  United Kingdom


 If you manipulate the buy number he as 19 left.

 I bought then just for the oven oscillators !

 Dave
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread Pete Lancashire
Why not just ask the seller how many they have left ?

-pete

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lost me Dave.
 How do you manipulate the buy number?
 Also make sure its not just the oscillator, though in yourcase you have
 what you need for $75
 Regards
 Paul
 WB8TSL

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 wrote:

 From:  Dave Cawley
 Dartmouth  United Kingdom


 If you manipulate the buy number he as 19 left.

 I bought then just for the oven oscillators !

 Dave
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

It’s pretty simple. Put X pieces in your cart and see what happens. At the 
point you can’t put any more in, you have figured out how many he’s got in the 
listing. It works for most places that sell a limited stock of things and try 
to keep the numbers up to date. It’s a poor approach for outfits that do not 
keep things updated and accurate. 

Bob

 On Nov 17, 2014, at 2:56 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Lost me Dave.
 How do you manipulate the buy number?
 Also make sure its not just the oscillator, though in yourcase you have
 what you need for $75
 Regards
 Paul
 WB8TSL
 
 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Timestep informat...@time-step.com
 wrote:
 
 From:  Dave Cawley
 Dartmouth  United Kingdom
 
 
 If you manipulate the buy number he as 19 left.
 
 I bought then just for the oven oscillators !
 
 Dave
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread paul swed
Thanks everyone. By the way my typo the company is AECI.
And I will wait in the weeds for $75 ref1s. :-)
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote:

 Hi

 It’s pretty simple. Put X pieces in your cart and see what happens. At the
 point you can’t put any more in, you have figured out how many he’s got in
 the listing. It works for most places that sell a limited stock of things
 and try to keep the numbers up to date. It’s a poor approach for outfits
 that do not keep things updated and accurate.

 Bob

  On Nov 17, 2014, at 2:56 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Lost me Dave.
  How do you manipulate the buy number?
  Also make sure its not just the oscillator, though in yourcase you have
  what you need for $75
  Regards
  Paul
  WB8TSL
 
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  wrote:
 
  From:  Dave Cawley
  Dartmouth  United Kingdom
 
 
  If you manipulate the buy number he as 19 left.
 
  I bought then just for the oven oscillators !
 
  Dave
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
Sometimes eBay limits the number of units a vendor can list at any time to 
limit their financial responsibility.. Happened to us.

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 On Nov 17, 2014, at 12:14, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 It’s pretty simple. Put X pieces in your cart and see what happens. At the 
 point you can’t put any more in, you have figured out how many he’s got in 
 the listing. It works for most places that sell a limited stock of things and 
 try to keep the numbers up to date. It’s a poor approach for outfits that do 
 not keep things updated and accurate. 
 
 Bob
 
 On Nov 17, 2014, at 2:56 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Lost me Dave.
 How do you manipulate the buy number?
 Also make sure its not just the oscillator, though in yourcase you have
 what you need for $75
 Regards
 Paul
 WB8TSL
 
 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Timestep informat...@time-step.com
 wrote:
 
 From:  Dave Cawley
 Dartmouth  United Kingdom
 
 
 If you manipulate the buy number he as 19 left.
 
 I bought then just for the oven oscillators !
 
 Dave
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread Frederick Bray
Looks like the price has now gone back up to $200.  It will be 
interesting to watch to see how many sell at that price and whether they 
go back on sale.  At this point, 55 are reported sold with more than 10 
available.


In terms of quantity available, the old/original shipping label on mine 
(which arrived last week) indicated that it was 32 of 135 in the 
original shipment.  This may or may not have any significance in terms 
of the total number the seller may have available.


Fred
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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-17 Thread paul swed
Wow they are turning to gold right before our eyes.
Regards
Paul.
WB8TSL

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Frederick Bray fwb...@mminternet.com
wrote:

 Looks like the price has now gone back up to $200.  It will be interesting
 to watch to see how many sell at that price and whether they go back on
 sale.  At this point, 55 are reported sold with more than 10 available.

 In terms of quantity available, the old/original shipping label on mine
 (which arrived last week) indicated that it was 32 of 135 in the original
 shipment.  This may or may not have any significance in terms of the total
 number the seller may have available.

 Fred

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